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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.27 12:07:00 -
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Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE
MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:07:00 -
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also..
I reckon we are gonna see many inties with 9 k scrams
think about it, whacks one o those on and a regular point. Uses the scram to "divebomb" targets that have mwd to shut them off, and re-orbits with regular point..
If hes lucky to pack a scram also then u can simply get inertia to sail u out of range again and turn it back on.
If another ceptor does it to you you can try do it to him, so its dangerous fro inties to scram eachother. Its really "luck o the draw" coz who ever lands first scram will re-orbit with point and thus smash his opponent.
I love this change, will make ceptors more interesting :D
poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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Larkara
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Posted - 2008.07.27 15:40:00 -
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A Domination scram on a raptor with level 5 skills yields 14km range 16.9km when overloaded.
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Nightelf Mowhawk
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Posted - 2008.07.28 07:37:00 -
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excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nightelf Mowhawk excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server
The changes are great, means we can all try something else new, nano age was one o the most lame imo, nos age was better than that..
Im looking foward to the roles the nighthawk and cerb can fill now that nanoing is less of an issue poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.07.28 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nightelf Mowhawk excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server
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Draahk Chimera
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:38:00 -
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I AM a nano-f*g and I also love the changes. Was time for a nerf tbh. It can be fun to swish around the battlefield in a 11km/s vaga but it kinda ruined the diversity of the game. Like; scout: "they are in 5x vaga, 3x rapier, 2x ishtar" fc: "no shit Sherlock". Now there will be more different shipclasses. Demios will be nice but cap intensive (unlike now where it's worthless and cap intensive), vaga will still be cool and fast (but not immortal-fast), ceptors will be back in style trying to shut down enemy mwd, just like keres and arazu. Also, when I dock out, what do I pack? Web to slow down AB user, or scram to slow down mwd user? Do I fit mwd or do I risk running into an arazu? Maybe a gist AB. More tactics, more fun, more suprizes.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.28 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera I AM a nano-f*g and I also love the changes. Was time for a nerf tbh. It can be fun to swish around the battlefield in a 11km/s vaga but it kinda ruined the diversity of the game. Like; scout: "they are in 5x vaga, 3x rapier, 2x ishtar" fc: "no shit Sherlock". Now there will be more different shipclasses. Demios will be nice but cap intensive (unlike now where it's worthless and cap intensive), vaga will still be cool and fast (but not immortal-fast), ceptors will be back in style trying to shut down enemy mwd, just like keres and arazu. Also, when I dock out, what do I pack? Web to slow down AB user, or scram to slow down mwd user? Do I fit mwd or do I risk running into an arazu? Maybe a gist AB. More tactics, more fun, more suprizes.
Couldn't agree more :)
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PR Hough
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:06:00 -
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Too early to be saying anything yet, we only got a short amount of test time before the servers were shut off to be patched (MWD bug)so i think I'll wait until they've fixed most of the unintended mistakes before i make any comment.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:15:00 -
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On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera I AM a nano-f*g and I also love the changes. Was time for a nerf tbh. It can be fun to swish around the battlefield in a 11km/s vaga but it kinda ruined the diversity of the game. Like; scout: "they are in 5x vaga, 3x rapier, 2x ishtar" fc: "no shit Sherlock". Now there will be more different shipclasses. Demios will be nice but cap intensive (unlike now where it's worthless and cap intensive), vaga will still be cool and fast (but not immortal-fast), ceptors will be back in style trying to shut down enemy mwd, just like keres and arazu. Also, when I dock out, what do I pack? Web to slow down AB user, or scram to slow down mwd user? Do I fit mwd or do I risk running into an arazu? Maybe a gist AB. More tactics, more fun, more suprizes.
^this poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.28 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival
/me hugs his ab cerb poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival
Do you have any numbers yet? wld like to see comparisons :D poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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Ullyses
Sounds Of Violence
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:38:00 -
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they are nerfing the crap out of speed on everything and the ceptors are hit abit to hard if you ask me they shouldn't touch it at all it will make it harder to run from gang gate camps now as well for the solo traveler. i just say " if they have a better fit then you to bad try again " why nerf anything at all
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ullyses they are nerfing the crap out of speed on everything and the ceptors are hit abit to hard if you ask me they shouldn't touch it at all it will make it harder to run from gang gate camps now as well for the solo traveler. i just say " if they have a better fit then you to bad try again " why nerf anything at all
as everything is slower, a ceptor doing 5ks is now not bad at all, webs are crap too, so they shldnt have issues for their speed.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Larkara A Domination scram on a raptor with level 5 skills yields 14km range 16.9km when overloaded.
Guess what? Domi scrams are now 11km on SISI.....
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
But that's still really good.
Bellum Eternus
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival
/me hugs his ab cerb
HAM Cerb w/ faction missiles: easy 440 DPS with no implants, 129+ passive dps tanked and still uses an mwd for ~1200m/sec or more. Again, no implants of any sort.
Did I mention that it does all this AND has a 45km effective range with the HAMs? And they're not even Jav HAMs...
Bellum Eternus
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Larkara A Domination scram on a raptor with level 5 skills yields 14km range 16.9km when overloaded.
Guess what? Domi scrams are now 11km on SISI.....
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO But that's still really good.
Pay attention: He said a raptor. They get a range bonus. Thus 14km range. .
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El Mauru
Amarr Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:06:00 -
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I really like the changes too so far- Will have to think of better ways to fly my zealot though :-/
Assault Frigs are a blast to fly now and you can finally do combat in web-range without being laughed at- which is pure win.
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breaky1
Sinister Defiance Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:42:00 -
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I think this change is great. Nanoers are whining now about it but let's be honest, the most whined-about aspect of Eve until now was how unfair nanos are. You can't please everyone but in the long run I am certain this will be a postive change for the game.
Thanks Noz/CCP
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.07.29 14:46:00 -
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I came here hunting sarks and all I found was geniune happiness *sigh*
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Kethry Avenger
Krell-Korp
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Posted - 2008.07.29 16:16:00 -
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I'm excited about these changes, maybe I won't train shield skills for that curse after all. Now how to tank a Curse...
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.07.29 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nightelf Mowhawk excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server
This, albeit a bit over the top.
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Plestvarnis
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Posted - 2008.07.30 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera I AM a nano-f*g and I also love the changes. Quote:
LoL, you call yourself nano-***? Well *** for sure, but not nano... Check his vagas setups :D
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:13:00 -
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I agreed with the OP completely before I went and tested a bunch of ships out on singularity.
Yes untouchable nano ships are teh suck. Yes a nerf was needed just not this nerf. It affects way more than the nano ships it was supposed to put a stop to.
Before you cheer them on go and test some ships that rely on speed (I don't mean just nanos) and see if you think CCP is doing a great job.
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Plestvarnis
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols
Yes untouchable nano ships are teh suck.
If they are untouchable why i see so many of them in killmails? ...
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 15:42:00 -
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Simple. The basic T2 nano Ishtar does a little over 3k on tranq. Its touchable by appropriate class of ships (interceptors) and hittable by even a rail Megathron if the pilot don't watch his transversals.
Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed.
What this nerf does is not only drop the speed of that 8k Vaga but the t2 Ishtar as well. The 90mil uninsured ship now does just 1.7kms and dies in seconds. Yes it can be tanked but not as well as a BC that costs 1/3 as much and is insurable. Also the speed of the tanked HAC has dropped considerably as well.
Again, the nerf affects too much.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.07.30 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols
Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed.
Vagabonds were never a problem, regardless of their speed. The point most people seem to miss is that they are going 500m/s when shooting, if you cant hit them at that speed you'll never hit... btw such a vaga fit would prolly be much faster than 8kms ;)
The real problem were permarunning setup nanoships that could do damage while going full speed (hello ishtar and friends).
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.08.05 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols Simple. The basic T2 nano Ishtar does a little over 3k on tranq. Its touchable by appropriate class of ships (interceptors) and hittable by even a rail Megathron if the pilot don't watch his transversals.
Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed.
What this nerf does is not only drop the speed of that 8k Vaga but the t2 Ishtar as well. The 90mil uninsured ship now does just 1.7kms and dies in seconds. Yes it can be tanked but not as well as a BC that costs 1/3 as much and is insurable. Also the speed of the tanked HAC has dropped considerably as well.
Again, the nerf affects too much.
A vaga going 1.7kms??
now u must seriously be doing something wrong..i havnt tested yet but i heard they can go 4kms?
just fit nanofiber and a polycarb im sure ull get faster than 1.7kms And plz enlighten me on the oh-so ruined ships on test server nad their setups/issues as d like to know.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007
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Rinaldo Titano
Caldari Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2008.08.05 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Trent Nichols Simple. The basic T2 nano Ishtar does a little over 3k on tranq. Its touchable by appropriate class of ships (interceptors) and hittable by even a rail Megathron if the pilot don't watch his transversals.
Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed.
What this nerf does is not only drop the speed of that 8k Vaga but the t2 Ishtar as well. The 90mil uninsured ship now does just 1.7kms and dies in seconds. Yes it can be tanked but not as well as a BC that costs 1/3 as much and is insurable. Also the speed of the tanked HAC has dropped considerably as well.
Again, the nerf affects too much.
A vaga going 1.7kms??
now u must seriously be doing something wrong..i havnt tested yet but i heard they can go 4kms?
just fit nanofiber and a polycarb im sure ull get faster than 1.7kms And plz enlighten me on the oh-so ruined ships on test server nad their setups/issues as d like to know..
I tested the changes on SiSi and ned to say this changes are bad :( The problem is exactly what the guy said. The problem was not the t2 fitted rigged vaga and other nanohacs which does 3-5km/s the problem was the officer fitted snaked gangbonused ones goind 10km+
But this change made even the 3-5km/s ones to go with 1.5-3km/s what is sux. With this change they not a viable option :( and so the game would less with a style of fight.
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