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BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.07.27 12:07:00 - [1] Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.07.27 15:07:00 - [2] also.. I reckon we are gonna see many inties with 9 k scrams think about it, whacks one o those on and a regular point. Uses the scram to "divebomb" targets that have mwd to shut them off, and re-orbits with regular point.. If hes lucky to pack a scram also then u can simply get inertia to sail u out of range again and turn it back on. If another ceptor does it to you you can try do it to him, so its dangerous fro inties to scram eachother. Its really "luck o the draw" coz who ever lands first scram will re-orbit with point and thus smash his opponent. I love this change, will make ceptors more interesting :D poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Larkara	Posted - 2008.07.27 15:40:00 - [3] A Domination scram on a raptor with level 5 skills yields 14km range 16.9km when overloaded.
Nightelf Mowhawk	Posted - 2008.07.28 07:37:00 - [4] excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Nightelf Mowhawk excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server The changes are great, means we can all try something else new, nano age was one o the most lame imo, nos age was better than that.. Im looking foward to the roles the nighthawk and cerb can fill now that nanoing is less of an issue poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2008.07.28 10:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Nightelf Mowhawk excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server Your tears, they am delicious
Draahk Chimera Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:38:00 - [7] I AM a nano-f*g and I also love the changes. Was time for a nerf tbh. It can be fun to swish around the battlefield in a 11km/s vaga but it kinda ruined the diversity of the game. Like; scout: "they are in 5x vaga, 3x rapier, 2x ishtar" fc: "no shit Sherlock". Now there will be more different shipclasses. Demios will be nice but cap intensive (unlike now where it's worthless and cap intensive), vaga will still be cool and fast (but not immortal-fast), ceptors will be back in style trying to shut down enemy mwd, just like keres and arazu. Also, when I dock out, what do I pack? Web to slow down AB user, or scram to slow down mwd user? Do I fit mwd or do I risk running into an arazu? Maybe a gist AB. More tactics, more fun, more suprizes.
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Draahk Chimera I AM a nano-f*g and I also love the changes. Was time for a nerf tbh. It can be fun to swish around the battlefield in a 11km/s vaga but it kinda ruined the diversity of the game. Like; scout: "they are in 5x vaga, 3x rapier, 2x ishtar" fc: "no shit Sherlock". Now there will be more different shipclasses. Demios will be nice but cap intensive (unlike now where it's worthless and cap intensive), vaga will still be cool and fast (but not immortal-fast), ceptors will be back in style trying to shut down enemy mwd, just like keres and arazu. Also, when I dock out, what do I pack? Web to slow down AB user, or scram to slow down mwd user? Do I fit mwd or do I risk running into an arazu? Maybe a gist AB. More tactics, more fun, more suprizes. Couldn't agree more :) Request signatures at EVE-GFX
PR Hough Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:06:00 - [9] Too early to be saying anything yet, we only got a short amount of test time before the servers were shut off to be patched (MWD bug)so i think I'll wait until they've fixed most of the unintended mistakes before i make any comment.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:15:00 - [10] On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Draahk Chimera I AM a nano-fg and I also love the changes. Was time for a nerf tbh. It can be fun to swish around the battlefield in a 11km/s vaga but it kinda ruined the diversity of the game. Like; scout: "they are in 5x vaga, 3x rapier, 2x ishtar" fc: "no shit Sherlock". Now there will be more different shipclasses. Demios will be nice but cap intensive (unlike now where it's worthless and cap intensive), vaga will still be cool and fast (but not immortal-fast), ceptors will be back in style trying to shut down enemy mwd, just like keres and arazu. Also, when I dock out, what do I pack? Web to slow down AB user, or scram to slow down mwd user? Do I fit mwd or do I risk running into an arazu? Maybe a gist AB. More tactics, more fun, more suprizes. ^this poudly annoying fc's since 2007* http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.07.28 15:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival /me hugs his ab cerb poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival Do you have any numbers yet? wld like to see comparisons :D poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Ullyses Sounds Of Violence	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:38:00 - [14] they are nerfing the crap out of speed on everything and the ceptors are hit abit to hard if you ask me they shouldn't touch it at all it will make it harder to run from gang gate camps now as well for the solo traveler. i just say " if they have a better fit then you to bad try again " why nerf anything at all
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Ullyses they are nerfing the crap out of speed on everything and the ceptors are hit abit to hard if you ask me they shouldn't touch it at all it will make it harder to run from gang gate camps now as well for the solo traveler. i just say " if they have a better fit then you to bad try again " why nerf anything at all as everything is slower, a ceptor doing 5ks is now not bad at all, webs are crap too, so they shldnt have issues for their speed.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Larkara A Domination scram on a raptor with level 5 skills yields 14km range 16.9km when overloaded. Guess what? Domi scrams are now 11km on SISI..... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! But that's still really good. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:56:00 - [17] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Hirana Yoshida On paper it looks like there will be a considerable speed-gap between interceptors/speed-bonus ships and everything else. And with tweaks to base speed and mass the full gank AB HAC may be in for a revival /me hugs his ab cerb HAM Cerb w/ faction missiles: easy 440 DPS with no implants, 129+ passive dps tanked and still uses an mwd for ~1200m/sec or more. Again, no implants of any sort. Did I mention that it does all this AND has a 45km effective range with the HAMs? And they're not even Jav HAMs... Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Larkara A Domination scram on a raptor with level 5 skills yields 14km range 16.9km when overloaded. Guess what? Domi scrams are now 11km on SISI..... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO But that's still really good. Pay attention: He said a raptor. They get a range bonus. Thus 14km range. .
El Mauru Amarr Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:06:00 - [19] I really like the changes too so far- Will have to think of better ways to fly my zealot though :-/ Assault Frigs are a blast to fly now and you can finally do combat in web-range without being laughed at- which is pure win. -
breaky1 Sinister Defiance Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:42:00 - [20] I think this change is great. Nanoers are whining now about it but let's be honest, the most whined-about aspect of Eve until now was how unfair nanos are. You can't please everyone but in the long run I am certain this will be a postive change for the game. Thanks Noz/CCP
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.07.29 14:46:00 - [21] I came here hunting sarks and all I found was geniune happiness sigh San Matari Official forums
Kethry Avenger Krell-Korp	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:16:00 - [22] I'm excited about these changes, maybe I won't train shield skills for that curse after all. Now how to tank a Curse...
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Nightelf Mowhawk excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server This, albeit a bit over the top. Click me! You know you want to...
Plestvarnis	Posted - 2008.07.30 14:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Draahk Chimera I AM a nano-fg and I also love the changes. Quote:* LoL, you call yourself nano-*? Well * for sure, but not nano... Check his vagas setups :D http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5312 http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6522 http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=38267
Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 15:13:00 - [25] I agreed with the OP completely before I went and tested a bunch of ships out on singularity. Yes untouchable nano ships are teh suck. Yes a nerf was needed just not this nerf. It affects way more than the nano ships it was supposed to put a stop to. Before you cheer them on go and test some ships that rely on speed (I don't mean just nanos) and see if you think CCP is doing a great job. Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew!
Plestvarnis	Posted - 2008.07.30 15:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Trent Nichols Yes untouchable nano ships are teh suck. If they are untouchable why i see so many of them in killmails? ...
Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 15:42:00 - [27] Simple. The basic T2 nano Ishtar does a little over 3k on tranq. Its touchable by appropriate class of ships (interceptors) and hittable by even a rail Megathron if the pilot don't watch his transversals. Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed. What this nerf does is not only drop the speed of that 8k Vaga but the t2 Ishtar as well. The 90mil uninsured ship now does just 1.7kms and dies in seconds. Yes it can be tanked but not as well as a BC that costs 1/3 as much and is insurable. Also the speed of the tanked HAC has dropped considerably as well. Again, the nerf affects too much. Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew!
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.07.30 17:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Trent Nichols Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed. Vagabonds were never a problem, regardless of their speed. The point most people seem to miss is that they are going 500m/s when shooting, if you cant hit them at that speed you'll never hit... btw such a vaga fit would prolly be much faster than 8kms ;) The real problem were permarunning setup nanoships that could do damage while going full speed (hello ishtar and friends).
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.05 10:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Trent Nichols Simple. The basic T2 nano Ishtar does a little over 3k on tranq. Its touchable by appropriate class of ships (interceptors) and hittable by even a rail Megathron if the pilot don't watch his transversals. Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed. What this nerf does is not only drop the speed of that 8k Vaga but the t2 Ishtar as well. The 90mil uninsured ship now does just 1.7kms and dies in seconds. Yes it can be tanked but not as well as a BC that costs 1/3 as much and is insurable. Also the speed of the tanked HAC has dropped considerably as well. Again, the nerf affects too much. A vaga going 1.7kms?? now u must seriously be doing something wrong..i havnt tested yet but i heard they can go 4kms? just fit nanofiber and a polycarb im sure ull get faster than 1.7kms And plz enlighten me on the oh-so ruined ships on test server nad their setups/issues as d like to know.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2008.08.05 10:39:00 - [30] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Trent Nichols Simple. The basic T2 nano Ishtar does a little over 3k on tranq. Its touchable by appropriate class of ships (interceptors) and hittable by even a rail Megathron if the pilot don't watch his transversals. Then you have the polycarb/full snake/officer fit Vagas that do over 8k. You dont see so many of them on KMS Those and their kind needed to be nerfed. What this nerf does is not only drop the speed of that 8k Vaga but the t2 Ishtar as well. The 90mil uninsured ship now does just 1.7kms and dies in seconds. Yes it can be tanked but not as well as a BC that costs 1/3 as much and is insurable. Also the speed of the tanked HAC has dropped considerably as well. Again, the nerf affects too much. A vaga going 1.7kms?? now u must seriously be doing something wrong..i havnt tested yet but i heard they can go 4kms? just fit nanofiber and a polycarb im sure ull get faster than 1.7kms And plz enlighten me on the oh-so ruined ships on test server nad their setups/issues as d like to know.. I tested the changes on SiSi and ned to say this changes are bad :( The problem is exactly what the guy said. The problem was not the t2 fitted rigged vaga and other nanohacs which does 3-5km/s the problem was the officer fitted snaked gangbonused ones goind 10km+ But this change made even the 3-5km/s ones to go with 1.5-3km/s what is sux. With this change they not a viable option :( and so the game would less with a style of fight.
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:47:00 - [31] ^^ This. Why can't people get it that the "speed problem" is with ludricous speed, not the everyday T2 ships that win and lose every day? Oh well. CCP does not have a good "adjustment" record. Stand by for a whole new set of FOTMs next month.... G -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.07 07:45:00 - [32] Originally by: Gort ^^ This. Why can't people get it that the "speed problem" is with ludricous speed, not the everyday T2 ships that win and lose every day? Oh well. CCP does not have a good "adjustment" record. Stand by for a whole new set of FOTMs next month.... G but without the nerf cladari wld still be shit at nanoing..getting rid of nano's is an effective cladari buff. Which is needed. poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Vladameir Harkenin	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:52:00 - [33] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Gort ^^ This. Why can't people get it that the "speed problem" is with ludricous speed, not the everyday T2 ships that win and lose every day? Oh well. CCP does not have a good "adjustment" record. Stand by for a whole new set of FOTMs next month.... G but without the nerf cladari wld still be shit at nanoing..getting rid of nano's is an effective cladari buff. Which is needed. I can fly many ships, because a long time ago I decided that I didn't want to train capitols. What does all this mean and what's my point? You think your cerb got boosted in this patch? You're kidding right? Are you sure you fly a cerb? I'm not flaming you but I'm going to state the obvious. Because of this so called change give me one good thing the cerberus can do better then the nighthawk? Faster and slighly more agile? Not sure if you've noticed but because of this change those 2 benifits are worthless now. Cerb has better range? Don't really care about range myself...maybe you do, but me, I'll take the nighthawk, heck I'd even take the drake over a cerb now (not that I wouldn't take the drake/nighthawk over the cerb before). For the most part most hacs have (with this new patch) been obsoleted by there field command variation. Probably the only hac not effected greatly by this change is the ishtar, cause the eos isn't a drone boat (IMO it's not anyways), but unfortunatly the domi is and after this patch the ishtar has very little gain over the domi. The other hac not effected by this change that much is the deimos because, it was generally always outperfored by the astarte anyways. This change has only done one thing, made hacs obsolete. Hacs just like there little brother (af) are now junk. Want to know what I see when I look at a cerb, it's a downgrade of a cruise raven only good at killing support, because if you shot at the primary target (being that far away) btt your first volley reaches it, it's almost dead anyways. All and all this means your cerb was not boosted, it was nerfed. It might not have been a great nano fit before, but know your ship has been reduced to a support killer (which the nighthawk is better at).
FlameGlow Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:10:00 - [34] Double range bonus is teh sux for a missile ship, only nice for HAMs and Cerb will have hard time fitting them because of PG; in Cerb's case it's HAMs, tank, MWD, pick any 2. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Oktacon Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:23:00 - [35] Originally by: FlameGlow Double range bonus is teh sux for a missile ship, only nice for HAMs and Cerb will have hard time fitting them because of PG; in Cerb's case it's HAMs, tank, MWD, pick any 2. My HAM fit disagrees with you.
Vladameir Harkenin	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:41:00 - [36] Originally by: FlameGlow Double range bonus is teh sux for a missile ship, only nice for HAMs and Cerb will have hard time fitting them because of PG; in Cerb's case it's HAMs, tank, MWD, pick any 2. This man speaks the truth, problem is is that compared to the nighthawk that fit is obsoleted, cause a nighthawk can shoot (dealing decent dps) and tank (ehp) a crap ton better, not to mention nighthawk is better at killing smaller targets. At least with speed tank the cerb could do decently, not as good as other speed fits but still better then it's current form which is being primaried and instapopped. Because of this instapopping, missiles will probably be nerfed due to being to good against smaller targets. Turrets (tracking) will probably be nerfed (amarr) cause the pulse apoc/geddon will be greatly boosted by this speed nerf. Drone speeds will probably be nerfed cause warriors pwn small ships, meds will **** cruiser grade. All of that nerfing just to put certain "ludicrous" nano fits in line. Theres nothing wrong with speed fittings, only thing wrong is certain fits. The dev (in charge of this) needs to deal with those certain fits, not completly destroy a tactic.
Dray Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.08.07 18:24:00 - [37] Originally by: BiggestT Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ Obvious troll is obvious tbh, no one, even dead r3tards are this stupid.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:08:00 - [38] Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 08/08/2008 12:49:50 Originally by: BiggestT Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ Obvious troll is obvious tbh, no one, even dead r3tards are this stupid. Except maybe Odet........ Your nano-tears taste sooo good poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Vladameir Harkenin I can fly many ships, because a long time ago I decided that I didn't want to train capitols. What does all this mean and what's my point? You think your cerb got boosted in this patch? You're kidding right? Are you sure you fly a cerb? I'm not flaming you but I'm going to state the obvious. Because of this so called change give me one good thing the cerberus can do better then the nighthawk? Faster and slighly more agile? Not sure if you've noticed but because of this change those 2 benifits are worthless now. Cerb has better range? Don't really care about range myself...maybe you do, but me, I'll take the nighthawk, heck I'd even take the drake over a cerb now (not that I wouldn't take the drake/nighthawk over the cerb before). For the most part most hacs have (with this new patch) been obsoleted by there field command variation. Probably the only hac not effected greatly by this change is the ishtar, cause the eos isn't a drone boat (IMO it's not anyways), but unfortunatly the domi is and after this patch the ishtar has very little gain over the domi. The other hac not effected by this change that much is the deimos because, it was generally always outperfored by the astarte anyways. This change has only done one thing, made hacs obsolete. Hacs just like there little brother (af) are now junk. Want to know what I see when I look at a cerb, it's a downgrade of a cruise raven only good at killing support, because if you shot at the primary target (being that far away) btt your first volley reaches it, it's almost dead anyways. All and all this means your cerb was not boosted, it was nerfed. It might not have been a great nano fit before, but know your ship has been reduced to a support killer (which the nighthawk is better at). wow your only just looking at ships and their dps output. You need to take into account things like price, agility (warping etc), training, lock time, sig radius, overall gain (ie diff in dps between cerb and nighthawk not all that high as cerb can fit more dmg mods, making it a viable choice). Now i agree that the drake will be even better than the cerb when looking at these arguments, and is therefore imo worthy of a nerf. poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Nightelf Mowhawk excellent job?!?!? they need lining up and shooting if this makes it to the live server qft
NerfMyBarge	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:16:00 - [41] Edited by: NerfMyBarge on 09/08/2008 21:17:00 Originally by: Draahk Chimera I AM a nano-fg and I also love the changes. Was time for a nerf tbh. It can be fun to swish around the battlefield in a 11km/s vaga but it kinda ruined the diversity of the game. Like; scout: "they are in 5x vaga, 3x rapier, 2x ishtar" fc: "no shit Sherlock". Now there will be more different shipclasses. Demios will be nice but cap intensive (unlike now where it's worthless and cap intensive), vaga will still be cool and fast (but not immortal-fast), ceptors will be back in style trying to shut down enemy mwd, just like keres and arazu. Also, when I dock out, what do I pack? Web to slow down AB user, or scram to slow down mwd user? Do I fit mwd or do I risk running into an arazu? Maybe a gist AB. More tactics, more fun, more suprizes. This. I've played nanoships for a long time - near immortality is VERY sweet. I can risk putting snakes in my head because the risk I loose them is low. Factionpimping a gankship? lol, it can die. Hell, an officerfitted commandship(insert any other awesome tank where the commandship was) cannot reach anywhere near the same immortality and is likely to die if unlucky or blobbed while a nano can just get away. Nano is sweet, I love it, but deserves a nerf in ALL HONESTY.* Anyone ever used an afterburner on a frigate/cruiser/battlecruiser/battleship for pvp? No. Speed is life in this age. Imagine, please, just for a second that this vagabond would fit an afterburner, you'd all laugh at him. Good job CCP. Please nerf nanoships, try and not let it spill out on the rest of the game though - adversity is nice, so is something new. This nerf will make our gank ships (yes, there is gankfits for battleships too, seen any in 0.0 lately?) more useful so it's all good.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.09 21:36:00 - [42] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/08/2008 21:39:24 Originally by: NerfMyBarge This. I've played nanoships for a long time - near immortality is VERY sweet. I can risk putting snakes in my head because the risk I loose them is low. Do you know how real NANO pvpers know you are lying about being one?.. Its because NANO does not give close to near immortality nor do most of us put snakes in our heads and those that do most certainly do not feel invulnerable in fact they are as cautious as hell no matter how fast they go cos of the cost. What gives near immortality in eve are the decisions you make to engage or not engage against certain gangs and how you fly your ship, any ship.. if your careful and you pick your fights you can win almost every fight but if your not you will lose a lot of them even if your flying the fastest ship in the game. So please less of the"i fly nano but i want it nerfed honest" rubbish ok?. Originally by: NerfMyBarge Anyone ever used an afterburner on a frigate/cruiser/battlecruiser/battleship for pvp? No. Speed is life in this age. Imagine, please, just for a second that this vagabond would fit an afterburner, you'd all laugh at him. That is cos on most ships even slow plated RR BS or snipers MWD is used for getting out of bubbles or within range of summat (ie: RR range) afterburners are no use for that, and that applies even if this stupid patch goes through. Originally by: NerfMyBarge This nerf will make our gank ships (yes, there is gankfits for battleships too, seen any in 0.0 lately?) more useful so it's all good. Ive flown in more sniper BS and gank RR BS gangs and fleets this month than i have NANO and most months its close to a even spread of all styles of pvp from sniper to rr to nano/recon in the corps ive been in and they were mostly pvp corps. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.10 03:59:00 - [43] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Ive flown in more sniper BS and gank RR BS gangs and fleets this month than i have NANO and most months its close to a even spread of all styles of pvp from sniper to rr to nano/recon in the corps ive been in and they were mostly pvp corps. You realise effective snipers shld only be using t2.. Most ppl can nano, many ppl cant use t2 bs guns.. Nanoes are far more common. And you ever stop and think about the ridicoulous setup rec's in this nano age? basically any cruiser hull needs mwd, web, point. Many ships are lousy for this (Lol rook, cerb is poor nanoer etc) CCP is AGAINST cookie cutter setups! poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Markas Crais House of Dying Laggers	Posted - 2008.08.10 05:27:00 - [44] Originally by: BiggestT CCP is AGAINST cookie cutter setups! The only problem is that there will always be cookie cutter setups. Ships were all designed a certain way for some sort of role and were, usually, given bonuses for these roles. It gets to a point where a successful setup becomes a cookie cutter one because that is the best setup. I've posted this before, but I doubt you'd be wanting to fly an interceptor with plates and an AB right? Or a Raven using blasters? It's not a good fit, so, you find the fit that works for the ship. HACs have always been glass cannons. There really wasn't much use for them because their role wasn't well defined and the cost of using one did not justify their usefulness, especially after the tier 2 BCs were introduced. That is, unless they were nanoed. I think one of the reasons why you see so many HACs is because they're dirt cheap now compared to what they used to be prior to the introduction of invention. CCP made these ships easier to access for the average player, thus, an increase in their use as nanos since that was one of the only things they were good for.
Phaedruss	Posted - 2008.08.10 05:36:00 - [45] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Most ppl can nano, many ppl cant use t2 bs guns.. Nanoes are far more common. And you ever stop and think about the ridicoulous setup rec's in this nano age? Have you ever stopped to think? Most people don't, and can't afford to 'nano' their ships to the point where they can't be hit. The cost of such set ups are prohibitive. Most so-called 'nano' ships only rely partially on speed tanking as a form of defence, can still be hit by anyone with reasonable skills, rely as much on their shield buffer, and don't need to be touched at all by a nerf bat. Yet this is what the proposed patch does. CCP ought to be rubbished for their ideas. Most 'nano gangs' would probably also rely on numbers to increase survivability and DPS. Take a breath and 'define' what you perceive to be a 'nano' ship before you throw the term around so loosely, and then 'tell' us what you believe a nano ship is.
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.10 09:16:00 - [46] Originally by: BiggestT cerb can fill now that nanoing is less of an issue Raping ceptors harder than already.
Vladameir Harkenin	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:51:00 - [47] Originally by: BiggestT wow your only just looking at ships and their dps output. You need to take into account things like price, agility (warping etc), training, lock time, sig radius, overall gain (ie diff in dps between cerb and nighthawk not all that high as cerb can fit more dmg mods, making it a viable choice). Now i agree that the drake will be even better than the cerb when looking at these arguments, and is therefore imo worthy of a nerf. No I'm not looking at dps, cause if I was only looking at dps then my megathron would have 3 mag stabs (which it doesn't). I don't look at only dps when I'm looking at a ship, I look at role of the ship vs. ehp of the ship vs. dps of the ship vs. cost of the ship and then conclude if it's worth the investment. Does the cerb have a role? Yes. Does it have good dps? yes. does it have good EHP? no. Is it's cost inline with it's overall performance. NO. Drake/NH time (either one), Do they have a role, yes, do they have good ehp, oh yeah, Do they have good dps, yes (nh especially when shooting at smaller targets), are there cost inline with overall performance, Drake yes, nh definetly better then the cerb a little pricy but considering your chance of surviving just went up a ton, yes. Current tq the cerb has a better role due to speed, it's not the best nano but chances of surviving are better then trying to tank the thing. Is it invinsible like most anti-nano players say...no. I have no problem nerfing things that need it, nos domi comes to mind, yes I did fly one and they were fun, too bad they overnerfed nos, or sensor damps, yes and they did a good job with it, problem was they killed the arazu/lach in the process by not giving them anything in return. Some will say don't worry, warp scrams on the arazu/lach ftw...all I can say is you're kidding right? I can fly a falcon/rook now, why would I use a downgrade ? You can say what you want, but truth is truth. The speed changes are over the top and if it goes live to tq in it's current form speed ships will become just like my poor arazu, collecting dust in the hanger (to bad too, I just got the skill for it 2 days before the damp nerf was announced, oh well). I don't fly nano, but I plan on suiciding my megathron before/if these changes are announced to hit tq. On a side note, you say that I only look at dps, but if I did, why would I be saying nano is good for hacs, cause a nano'd hac does less dps then a tanked one (except for the ishtar, which it's dps can be killed).
Dray Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.08.10 14:31:00 - [48] Edited by: Dray on 10/08/2008 14:31:08 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 08/08/2008 12:49:50 Originally by: BiggestT Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ Obvious troll is obvious tbh, no one, even dead r3tards are this stupid. Except maybe Odet........ Your nano-tears taste sooo good As well as flying nano's I fly a whole lot of other ships, speeds been nerfed so what, it was always coming, I'll find another way to make you whine, but my original comment still stands you're a troll or a r3tard, which is it?
Ankerr Feranniss Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.10 16:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 10/08/2008 14:31:08 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 08/08/2008 12:49:50 Originally by: BiggestT Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ Obvious troll is obvious tbh, no one, even dead r3tards are this stupid. Except maybe Odet........ Your nano-tears taste sooo good As well as flying nano's I fly a whole lot of other ships, speeds been nerfed so what, it was always coming, I'll find another way to make you whine, but my original comment still stands you're a troll or a r3tard, which is it? I'd say he's both Jokes apart, it's obvious that ppl saying these changes are good either don't know what they're saying (and you can realize it by the comments they make) or are taking (or percieving) a direct "boost" on their preferred ship type by this nerf (e.g. Cerberus pilots), which makes their reaction understandable but even then shows how short-sighted they are. This across-the-board speed-nerf (we shouldn't call it nano-nerf anymore TBH) breaks the usability of whole ship classes, and anyone happy about it either hates EVE, or he doesn't realize the vicious effect it will have.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.10 17:25:00 - [50] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Ive flown in more sniper BS and gank RR BS gangs and fleets this month than i have NANO and most months its close to a even spread of all styles of pvp from sniper to rr to nano/recon in the corps ive been in and they were mostly pvp corps. You realise effective snipers shld only be using t2.. Most ppl can nano, many ppl cant use t2 bs guns.. Nanoes are far more common. And you ever stop and think about the ridicoulous setup rec's in this nano age? basically any cruiser hull needs mwd, web, point. Many ships are lousy for this (Lol rook, cerb is poor nanoer etc) CCP is AGAINST cookie cutter setups! Lol it will just be a small lagphase before people shift their focus. All this change does is make a lot of ships worthless and others overpowered (raven, apoc). Vote against the nano nerf!
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.10 17:38:00 - [51] Quote: Do you know how real NANO pvpers know you are lying about being one?.. Its because NANO does not give close to near immortality nor do most of us put snakes in our heads and those that do most certainly do not feel invulnerable in fact they are as cautious as hell no matter how fast they go cos of the cost. What gives near immortality in eve are the decisions you make to engage or not engage against certain gangs and how you fly your ship, any ship.. if your careful and you pick your fights you can win almost every fight but if your not you will lose a lot of them even if your flying the fastest ship in the game. So please less of the"i fly nano but i want it nerfed honest" rubbish ok? Howmany non-nano pilots fit 2-3bil worth of implants in their head? That's right, next to ZERO because they know they'll lose their ship and their pod might end up in a bubble, while with nano you can just puff right out of anything restrictive.
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.11 05:43:00 - [52] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Howmany non-nano pilots fit 2-3bil worth of implants in their head? That's right, next to ZERO because they know they'll lose their ship and their pod might end up in a bubble, while with nano you can just puff right out of anything restrictive. only puffyin is you and your smokin the cheeba wtih the weeds in it. Its pretty ingenious to track the necessity of speed as the number of players increased. Geee, do i spend 2-3 bill on something that makes me last longer but i have to sit in one location, while everyone calls their friends to pound on my a@@? speed is there to fight quickly, move quickly and or dip... it takes isk, sp, and PVP experience. At this point if CCP wants to nerf all that, just give everyone 100 mil sp, and we can play carriers online cause with the 5 minute module lag, desynch, you wont last much longer than 30 seconds with anything less than 100k in HP
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.11 06:19:00 - [53] Edited by: Damned Force on 11/08/2008 06:20:07
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 10/08/2008 14:31:08 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 08/08/2008 12:49:50 Originally by: BiggestT Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ Obvious troll is obvious tbh, no one, even dead r3tards are this stupid. Except maybe Odet........ Your nano-tears taste sooo good As well as flying nano's I fly a whole lot of other ships, speeds been nerfed so what, it was always coming, I'll find another way to make you whine, but my original comment still stands you're a troll or a r3tard, which is it? Obviously im a **** as i agree with ccp that made this game and hence they are all ***s? lol if u dun like it go back to wow. Or you can adapt. Even if its an overnerf, at least well see some interesting new setups. poudly annoying fc's since 2007* http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 09:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Ankerr Feranniss Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 10/08/2008 14:31:08 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 08/08/2008 12:49:50 Originally by: BiggestT Finnally they nerfed speed. Its a long time coming. Now my caldari ships can be more viable in pvp again coz they wont have gimped fits from mwd's \o/ Now assault frigates may actually be useful. Now we have an interesting new ewar mod (scramblers) thats gonna put some more fun and un-predictabilty in EVE MY AB CERB KISSES NOZ \O/ Obvious troll is obvious tbh, no one, even dead r3tards are this stupid. Except maybe Odet........ Your nano-tears taste sooo good As well as flying nano's I fly a whole lot of other ships, speeds been nerfed so what, it was always coming, I'll find another way to make you whine, but my original comment still stands you're a troll or a r3tard, which is it? I'd say he's both Jokes apart, it's obvious that ppl saying these changes are good either don't know what they're saying (and you can realize it by the comments they make) or are taking (or percieving) a direct "boost" on their preferred ship type by this nerf (e.g. Cerberus pilots), which makes their reaction understandable but even then shows how short-sighted they are. This across-the-board speed-nerf (we shouldn't call it nano-nerf anymore TBH) breaks the usability of whole ship classes, and anyone happy about it either hates EVE, or he doesn't realize the vicious effect it will have. Sorry i dont like listening to alt posters. Means they either dont wanna be known coz they talk crap/troll or just like arguing. And this will inderectly boost many ships other than caldari. But to continue the discussion regardless.. You realise that a sleip/hrricane can fit an ab, and have more fitting/cap left for gank/tank? Many blaster boats will actually benefit as their short ranges are less of an issue with slower ships.. Sac benefits as it can hit with t2 hams to 60km which is awesome range for post-nerf. Their just off the top-of-my head, im awaiting for the countless troll-flamers to let loose but meh, your arguments wont excactly convince ccp will they? poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.13 15:21:00 - [56] Edited by: BiggestT on 13/08/2008 15:21:27 Originally by: Phaedruss Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Most ppl can nano, many ppl cant use t2 bs guns.. Nanoes are far more common. And you ever stop and think about the ridicoulous setup rec's in this nano age? Have you ever stopped to think? Most people don't, and can't afford to 'nano' their ships to the point where they can't be hit. The cost of such set ups are prohibitive. Im sorry if your so poor that an interceptor is too much $$ for you.. Oh and id like to see YOU shoot precision ammo at a standard t2 fit vaga woithout a single one hitting.. edit: typo poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.13 16:09:00 - [57] Edited by: Red Thunder on 13/08/2008 16:10:46 yay af's work oh wait....hacs and recons are now broken.... ....and ccp just removed the funnest type of pvp.... ....and farmers are now a lot harder to kill.... ....and blobs now just steamroller anything in their way with no chance of escape.... ....and ccp completely ignored the masses who didnt want this.... fail ccp Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
khosta	Posted - 2008.08.13 16:14:00 - [58] BiggestT, im glad you like the quest for balance. Perhaps you are eagerly awaiting the missile changes? Or is it only an excellent job when your race gets boosted? If so, cant wait to taste the tears after missiles have been fixed and/or a counter is introduced
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.13 16:21:00 - [59] Edited by: BiggestT on 13/08/2008 16:23:02 Originally by: khosta BiggestT, im glad you like the quest for balance. Perhaps you are eagerly awaiting the missile changes? Or is it only an excellent job when your race gets boosted? If so, cant wait to taste the tears after missiles have been fixed and/or a counter is introduced I prefer caldari gunboats But anyway IM NOT supporting the fact that minmatar are getting hurt.. Im supporting the way CCP have tried to remove the M for manditory in MWD.. Ludicrous speeds available to even a t2 fit vaga with poly's.. And the fact that caldari finally got their long-awaited boost. (almsot lol) Our gunboats will still advantage :D edit: and if the changes prevent hordes of drakes clogging up our overviews than i hope they do it well x) (just dont inderectly make every other non-overpowered missile boat uzless kthx) poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast

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