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Bekador Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:16:00 - [31] They even changed the BS Abaddon lost 14,2 mio kg Mass, and dropped from 110 m/s to 89m/s sub-warp. It looks like every ship is changed, you have to try each ship with a new setup.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:20:00 - [32] Edited by: SuiJuris on 28/07/2008 16:20:21 Originally by: Bekador They even changed the BS Abaddon lost 14,2 mio kg Mass, and dropped from 110 m/s to 89m/s sub-warp. It looks like every ship is changed, you have to try each ship with a new setup. GGS ccp Because historically Nano Abaddons were such a huge problem
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:21:00 - [33] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 28/07/2008 16:21:53 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari I meant try to fit a decent tank, WITHOUT the MWD, but WITH the AB. still cant get into sissy SiSi to test my theory out A ship like that won't be suitable for most pvp combat even after the changes and for the same exact reasons that it isn't suitable for it now. Maybe if you put both of them on there. Otherwise, no. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:27:00 - [34] Originally by: SuiJuris Edited by: SuiJuris on 28/07/2008 16:20:21 Originally by: Bekador They even changed the BS Abaddon lost 14,2 mio kg Mass, and dropped from 110 m/s to 89m/s sub-warp. It looks like every ship is changed, you have to try each ship with a new setup. GGS ccp Because historically Nano Abaddons were such a huge problem Blog told us this a little bit ago, no surprise. I'm curious about the pos modules Stasis Web Battery and War Scramble Battery; I wonder if they will be changed to be like their module cousins.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:28:00 - [35] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/07/2008 16:29:46 Originally by: SuiJuris Anyone run a test on a Vagabond yet? Vagabond with 2 overdrives and T2 MWD goes 3100 m/s (no rigs, no implants, no nothing). MWD turns off after cycle has completed when scrambled. Reactivation delay is 10 seconds. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Jim McGregor MWD turns off after cycle has completed when scrambled. Reactivation delay is 10 seconds. NOOOOOOO!!! BLASTER BOATS ARE DEAD! THEY CAN NEVER MAKE IT TO 2km!!!!!1111one!!one
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:38:00 - [37] lol now chin ratter wont even fit a cloak much less warp to a safe spot when you enter system. Now they're all like, "Come fightin now awesome raven strong not die today you slow two!!!"
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:45:00 - [38] Edited by: McDonALTs on 28/07/2008 16:45:51 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Just a question to anyone currently having SiSi access: Everyone swap out MWD for AB and try to fight in them. Give it a good fight, not one of those 5-second shoot-tests. I'd do it myself if it wasnt for SiSi being a sissy and not letting me in... Thing is, you need the mwd speeds. People don't use mwd to speed tank for the most part. They use them to get from one point to the other faster, or to dictate range. That hasn't changed. You will still need mwd on most pvp ships. Thats teh whole point. People will use Cov ops and tactics now to fight rather than mass chance and hit MWD for 100% resistance to missiles etc. Smaller forces can now stage hit and run driveby's to kill off blobs slowly. Blobs would need lots of cov ops to be able to counter it insted of a stupid 13k/sec crow that instantly means everyone is on the enemy within 10 seconds. nano killed off a lot of fleet and small gang tactics and these tactics are now returning. Fantastic work CCP and Afterburner > MWD
trixterr	Posted - 2008.07.28 16:58:00 - [39] has anyone tried the new scramblers? are they worth using now or having to get that close to tough when not in an arazu? the arazu/rapier combo is even more death to fast ships since you not only will be webbed but your mwd will be dead.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Antodias Edited by: Antodias on 28/07/2008 14:53:42 My no speed mods blasterranis is unaffected, and will now be a supagangstah anti-ceptor since it can catch them all now. :V And how do you plan on holding them, exactly? --
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Antodias Edited by: Antodias on 28/07/2008 14:53:42 My no speed mods blasterranis is unaffected, and will now be a supagangstah anti-ceptor since it can catch them all now. :V And how do you plan on holding them, exactly? Obv, he plans on fitting scrambler/disruptor/web/MWD oh wait... <OPEN PETITION> Give every ship an extra mid slot.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Foocurr Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Antodias Edited by: Antodias on 28/07/2008 14:53:42 My no speed mods blasterranis is unaffected, and will now be a supagangstah anti-ceptor since it can catch them all now. :V And how do you plan on holding them, exactly? Obv, he plans on fitting scrambler/disruptor/web/MWD oh wait... <OPEN PETITION> Give every ship an extra mid slot. But my scorpion won't hold 9 mid slots
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:07:00 - [43] Scramblers still stop warpouts as well as turning the MWD off...
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Foocurr Obv, he plans on fitting scrambler/disruptor/web/MWD oh wait... <OPEN PETITION> Give every ship an extra mid slot. You actually have to make a choice about your pvp modules now! Yaaa less cookie setups.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:11:00 - [45] Originally by: SuiJuris Scramblers still stop warpouts as well as turning the MWD off... Thx, Captain Obvious.
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Foocurr Obv, he plans on fitting scrambler/disruptor/web/MWD oh wait... <OPEN PETITION> Give every ship an extra mid slot. You actually have to make a choice about your pvp modules now! Yaaa less cookie setups. Indeed. I'll be putting a scrambler on my ranis in place of a disruptor. Oh and no, this won't become the cookie cutter setup.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:13:00 - [47] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/07/2008 17:14:47 Originally by: SuiJuris Scramblers still stop warpouts as well as turning the MWD off... Exactly. If you have a fast ship that can track, you dont need a web anymore. This makes for some interesting setups. 2 medslot assault frigs with nos will be more deadly to larger slower ships than ever before. Im going to dust off my wolf, until I can fly Taranis anyway. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Vorlan Fuze Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:18:00 - [48] Ok it seem u guys arent understanding the function of the scrambler to the MWD. It doesnt just turn it off, it waits until the cycle is over and then it disables it for 10 secs. So for a blasterboats i dont see the problem, you still get into range, the same as b4, you web them, they web you, sure the web is nerfed but so what its still the same. If the target ship had a base speed faster then you it could still get away even with the 90% web, if he also webed you.
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:34:00 - [49] Edited by: Antodias on 28/07/2008 17:35:37 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Antodias Edited by: Antodias on 28/07/2008 14:53:42 My no speed mods blasterranis is unaffected, and will now be a supagangstah anti-ceptor since it can catch them all now. :V And how do you plan on holding them, exactly? Scram & Web. Basically the taranis hasn't changed at all, all the other ceptors just got screwed.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:54:00 - [50] I have field tested a Cerberus and Vagabond with an afterburner fitted. I have to report, both were much more survivable in web range - between tank, and web not being insta death, they did very nicely. Getting neuted was still a nuisance, but when your cap is a bit more robust, you do a lot better. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Foocurr	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:57:00 - [51] OMG NERF TEH AFTERBURNER!!!!
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:12:00 - [52] they nerfed speed into the ground and added mass to vagabond, must be happy hour at the ccp bar Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:26:00 - [53] Edited Title to more appropriately reflect content.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:58:00 - [54] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 28/07/2008 20:00:41 Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 28/07/2008 19:58:58 Originally by: Foocurr Indeed. I'll be putting a scrambler on my ranis in place of a disruptor. Oh and no, this won't become the cookie cutter setup. Originally by: Foocurr <OPEN PETITION> Give every ship an extra mid slot. Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Yaaa less cookie setups. Every ship != taranis
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.07.28 19:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Vorlan Fuze Ok it seem u guys arent understanding the function of the scrambler to the MWD. It doesnt just turn it off, it waits until the cycle is over and then it disables it for 10 secs. So for a blasterboats i dont see the problem, you still get into range, the same as b4, you web them, they web you, sure the web is nerfed but so what its still the same. If the target ship had a base speed faster then you it could still get away even with the 90% web, if he also webed you. You don't mean that you can reactivate the MWD again after 10 seconds even if scrambled, do you? __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Draeca The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:01:00 - [56] Ganking lonely cruisers and battlecruisers with AB ranis will be great fun, if I can get the drones down.. ___
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:06:00 - [57] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 28/07/2008 20:06:53 They added mass to the vagabond????? Doesnt that mean it align's slower? Kill speed.. ok that sucks but my tactics can deal. Killing the align time? Why was that needed? Id also like to add... you will never make it back to a gate with an afterburner sot he mod is esentially useless. You are better off with the one burst the mwd will get you. Webs will stop you dead using an ab.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Trojanman190 Kill speed.. ok that sucks but my tactics can deal. Killing the align time? Why was that needed? I think the concept is to use inertial stabs and or nanofibers to increase agility
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: Trojanman190 Kill speed.. ok that sucks but my tactics can deal. Killing the align time? Why was that needed? I think the concept is to use inertial stabs and or nanofibers to increase agility I'll be interested to see if our tiny caldari ships gain any more mass. Why is my raven, which appears to be half the volume of a Mega actually HEAVIER?! People keep using the excuse of "the power generation . . . blah blah blah" In reality it's the fact that every caldari ship is built around a core of depleted uranium and all fixtures, furnishings and consoles are constructed out of tungsten.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.28 20:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Trojanman190 Edited by: Trojanman190 on 28/07/2008 20:06:53 They added mass to the vagabond????? Doesnt that mean it align's slower? Kill speed.. ok that sucks but my tactics can deal. Killing the align time? Why was that needed? Id also like to add... you will never make it back to a gate with an afterburner sot he mod is esentially useless. You are better off with the one burst the mwd will get you. Webs will stop you dead using an ab. No they wont, webs are also nerfed...

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