Originally by: BiggestT

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This idea sounds ok and i wldnt mind either way, but nerfing all nano's is probably the fairest thing so that no race is overly ad/disadvantaged...

Tho minmi are geting hit kinda hard with this so not sure..

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Originally by: Ji Jiang

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Wasn't there a comment by CCP's devs they tried exactly what you suggested and the engine started doing really weird stuff when they sped up missiles that much?

In short: I think they've already tried your suggestion.

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Originally by: Wil Smithx

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*Slap* - nano is broken and will still funtion after patch, this thread is irrelavent because nanos travel so much faster than missiles atm that they wouldnt hurt a nano unless you made the explosion velocity so high missiles wouldnt be affected by ships moving at correct speeds!

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Originally by: Draeca

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I don't want counters, I want more viable pvp ships.

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Originally by: Pheonix Kanan

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You have viable pvp ships, you just refuse to fit them with the counters. Putting 8 guns and a tank on your Rokh doesn't mean you can omgwtfbbqpwn every ship you come across.... Until now, that is

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Originally by: Pheonix Kanan

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Edited by: Pheonix Kanan on 28/07/2008 15:10:08

Originally by: Wil Smithx

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*Slap* - nano is broken and will still funtion after patch, this thread is irrelavent because nanos travel so much faster than missiles atm that they wouldnt hurt a nano unless you made the explosion velocity so high missiles wouldnt be affected by ships moving at correct speeds!

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Wow, you obviously don't even play EVE. You must be playing Eve Fitting Tool Online. Improving missiles is very much better than removing EVERYTHING smaller than a battlecruiser from PVP.

Originally by: Draeca

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I don't want counters, I want more viable pvp ships.

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You have viable pvp ships, you just refuse to fit them with the counters. Putting 8 guns and a tank on your Rokh doesn't mean you can omgwtfbbqpwn every ship you come across.... Until now, that is

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Originally by: Elaine Celeste

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Make missiles do more damage against fast targets, give us faster drones, etc. But don't nerf speed. (There's already enough modules to increase turret tracking speed IMO.)

If we can no longer effectively fly cruiser-sized ships that can actually escape gate-camps, people are either forced to stay in high-sec or they'll only be able to go to low-sec with a group of people.

Go take a BC or BS into low-sec and have fun escaping the first gatecamp you run into.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.

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Originally by: AnKahn

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I would like to see what happens to a ship when it passes thru a cloud of missile debris at 10 K/sec.

What is full of fail is EvE mechanics that don't even try to make sense.

You shoot down fast moving targets with guided missiles, OK?

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.

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Originally by: Lrrp

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One of the reasons I've heard about nerfing nano's is that they fly faster than missile explosion velocity. So go faster than 4k m/s and you are immune pretty much from missiles blast effect.

So instead of nerfing to hell the whole speed equation for fitting ships, why not instead buff up missiles so their blast effects have a greater speed and greater radius and thus actually be useful in countering nano ships? Missiles would be the perfect counter to fast ships as tracking is not a issue. By buffing missiles, nerfing speed would not really be required. Let the Caldari boats have a meaningful place as damage dealers in gangs for a change.

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* Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for.
* There should be a significant and meaningful difference in speed between the ship classes.
* Speed should not permit a larger ship to perform the role that a smaller specialized ship was intended for.
* Afterburners should be a viable module selection for PVP.
* Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 28/07/2008 16:04:29

Originally by: Lrrp

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One of the reasons I've heard about nerfing nano's is that they fly faster than missile explosion velocity. So go faster than 4k m/s and you are immune pretty much from missiles blast effect.

So instead of nerfing to hell the whole speed equation for fitting ships, why not instead buff up missiles so their blast effects have a greater speed and greater radius and thus actually be useful in countering nano ships? Missiles would be the perfect counter to fast ships as tracking is not a issue. By buffing missiles, nerfing speed would not really be required. Let the Caldari boats have a meaningful place as damage dealers in gangs for a change.

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Narrowminded much? Sorry but the missiles arent the main reason for the nano nerf. You fail. But its good to see all the nano noobs grasping onto straws.

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Originally by: Lrrp

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 28/07/2008 16:04:29

Originally by: Lrrp

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One of the reasons I've heard about nerfing nano's is that they fly faster than missile explosion velocity. So go faster than 4k m/s and you are immune pretty much from missiles blast effect.

So instead of nerfing to hell the whole speed equation for fitting ships, why not instead buff up missiles so their blast effects have a greater speed and greater radius and thus actually be useful in countering nano ships? Missiles would be the perfect counter to fast ships as tracking is not a issue. By buffing missiles, nerfing speed would not really be required. Let the Caldari boats have a meaningful place as damage dealers in gangs for a change.

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Narrowminded much? Sorry but the missiles arent the main reason for the nano nerf. You fail. But its good to see all the nano noobs grasping onto straws.

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Tell me miss master reader, did I say "main" reason. Missiles would be a good counter but if missiles can't do the job then there are other ways to force nano hacs from the field of battle. HACs fitted with range and speed tracking mods do a great job at countering a gang of fast movers. Assuming we who protest a nano nerf are noobs only show your noob skills at forum fighting.

Thanks for all the pro/con opinions from those of you who know what you are talking about.

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Originally by: Wil Smithx

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They're not being removed you ****tard, they're being ballanced so they fit in with the rest of the game, and buffing missiles only solves the problem of naano for caldari, you tunnel visioned knob!

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Decided to come back to give you some more beccause I only replied to one post...

The counters that you speak of only have limited effects on nano ships because 90% of the time they can still run away, now we have a way to shut them down, its still highly limited and nano will still have a place, a rokh will still have trouble fighting a nano because of its slow tracking.

Everybody stop talking like this is the end of nano, its the end of you being invulnerable to death, you will be possible to catch now, this is called balllanced!

This is NOTHING liek the nerf that hit gallente not to long ago

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Originally by: Lrrp

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Missiles would be a good counter but if missiles can't do the job then there are other ways to force nano hacs from the field of battle. HACs fitted with range and speed tracking mods do a great job at countering a gang of fast movers. Assuming we who protest a nano nerf are noobs only show your noob skills at forum fighting.

Thanks for all the pro/con opinions from those of you who know what you are talking about.

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Originally by: Pheonix Kanan

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Originally by: Wil Smithx

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They're not being removed you ****tard, they're being ballanced so they fit in with the rest of the game, and buffing missiles only solves the problem of naano for caldari, you tunnel visioned knob!

Edit:
Decided to come back to give you some more beccause I only replied to one post...

The counters that you speak of only have limited effects on nano ships because 90% of the time they can still run away, now we have a way to shut them down, its still highly limited and nano will still have a place, a rokh will still have trouble fighting a nano because of its slow tracking.

Everybody stop talking like this is the end of nano, its the end of you being invulnerable to death, you will be possible to catch now, this is called balllanced!

This is NOTHING liek the nerf that hit gallente not to long ago

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I'd like to see your 2kms cruiser survive the 40+ man battleship blob that always seems to be in 0.0, no matter where you choose to go. But then again, obivously, you don't ever pvp. Oh, btw, Minmatar AND Amarr use missles too, so guess what? YOU FAIL .

No one is going to fly cruisers, there is no point in spending 200 mil on a ship that is less effective than a 150 mil battleship. If they can't avoid damage, then they have to tank. Which, if you actually played the game, you pathetic excuse of a human brain, you would realise that a cruiser can't tank well enough to pvp in the current style of eve play.

It's not balance unless there is a way for the balanced object in question to still remain viable in a fashio that it used to be. In this "balance", that is not the case, which is why so many are opposed to it.

Honestly, you are probably just an alt of some fail alliance that refuses to adapt to any new threat that invades their space and therefore must run to the forums to c**k suck ccp to fix the game for you. Really, it doesn't matter how much you whine, you will still fail, and us real pvp'ers will still come to your space and pound your sad existence into the ground.

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Originally by: Pheonix Kanan

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Originally by: Wil Smithx

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They're not being removed you ****tard, they're being ballanced so they fit in with the rest of the game, and buffing missiles only solves the problem of naano for caldari, you tunnel visioned knob!

Edit:
Decided to come back to give you some more beccause I only replied to one post...

The counters that you speak of only have limited effects on nano ships because 90% of the time they can still run away, now we have a way to shut them down, its still highly limited and nano will still have a place, a rokh will still have trouble fighting a nano because of its slow tracking.

Everybody stop talking like this is the end of nano, its the end of you being invulnerable to death, you will be possible to catch now, this is called balllanced!

This is NOTHING liek the nerf that hit gallente not to long ago

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I'd like to see your 2kms cruiser survive the 40+ man battleship blob that always seems to be in 0.0, no matter where you choose to go. But then again, obivously, you don't ever pvp. Oh, btw, Minmatar AND Amarr use missles too, so guess what? YOU FAIL .

No one is going to fly cruisers, there is no point in spending 200 mil on a ship that is less effective than a 150 mil battleship. If they can't avoid damage, then they have to tank. Which, if you actually played the game, you pathetic excuse of a human brain, you would realise that a cruiser can't tank well enough to pvp in the current style of eve play.

It's not balance unless there is a way for the balanced object in question to still remain viable in a fashio that it used to be. In this "balance", that is not the case, which is why so many are opposed to it.

Honestly, you are probably just an alt of some fail alliance that refuses to adapt to any new threat that invades their space and therefore must run to the forums to c**k suck ccp to fix the game for you. Really, it doesn't matter how much you whine, you will still fail, and us real pvp'ers will still come to your space and pound your sad existence into the ground.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Lrrp

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Missiles would be a good counter but if missiles can't do the job then there are other ways to force nano hacs from the field of battle. HACs fitted with range and speed tracking mods do a great job at countering a gang of fast movers. Assuming we who protest a nano nerf are noobs only show your noob skills at forum fighting.

Thanks for all the pro/con opinions from those of you who know what you are talking about.

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Uhm yeah but those anti nano hacs give up speed, tank and cap mods to do that. What do hacs give up for speed? Tank? Nope, speed tank is the best sort of tank. Sorry but you are very biased and blinded by your nano love. These redicilous speeds of hacs need to go. End of story.

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