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DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:40:00 - [1] Edited by: DarthJosh on 29/07/2008 12:44:06 Am i the only one excited to have pre-nano age tactics brought back ?:) I understand it will redistribute wealth as many modules will lose some of thier price, being overpriced\monopolized already (mmm polycarbs). I was always a big advocate of in-your-face tank\ab\mwd setups that didn't focus around maintaining orbit or gtfo as the only tactic. Personally i see the rupture, deimos and yes, even the good ol` trusted ishtar of days old coming back to life. i also expect some megathron\phoon magic. Imo this spells great news to those of us who never could afford setups that range 100+mil (usually 300mil or so per vaga\nano ship considering polies) to have some fun. because lets face it, this nano-FOTM forced everyone to start spending like there's no tomorrow just so they could get on the joo-joo-testicle train and be as good as tom from acounting. and yeah, i too took part in this cultish ritual myself, and saw how fast it was draining my wallet. So oy, supporters of the nerf, unite and rejoyce! :) p.s: don't see anyone mentioning the moa, hmmm ?:P - Desusigs!
Thorek Ironbrow Caldari Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:44:00 - [2] Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 29/07/2008 12:45:19 I am excited about the nerf. I literally just said in EVE Radio chat: "Once the Nano-nerf hits, I feel I will have more chance in PvP to win, only to go out and get ganked by the next best thing." Seriously though, at least I'd be trying. Also, what about the Moa? ____________________________ Originally by: Elirel this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff. [/
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 29/07/2008 12:45:19 I am excited about the nerf. I literally just said in EVE Radio chat: "Once the Nano-nerf hits, I feel I will have more chance in PvP to win, only to go out and get ganked by the next best thing." Seriously though, at least I'd be trying. Also, what about the Moa? Here here brother, here here, spread the word! As to the moa... Exactly. - Desusigs!
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:58:00 - [4] the moa will still suck. Also, all those nano-ishtars that have been farming your home space will now just land ontop of you full of neuts and plates. If you think Hac's are a pain when they are nano'd, you'll die twice as fast when they are gank fitted. P.s. The next big thing is already here, Falcons and Plates. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Thorek Ironbrow Caldari Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:04:00 - [5] The Lawn Moa needs more PG so it can fit 5 250MMs, and should have some kind of railgun damage boost. ____________________________ Originally by: Elirel this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff. [/
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Maeltstome Also, all those nano-ishtars that have been farming your home space will now just land ontop of you full of neuts and plates. WTB Ishtar that can be fitted full of neuts and plates. Try fitting the thing in non-nano format, it's a nightmare -- you'll be hard pressed to fit small guns in highs. The ship is actually pretty sad, post-nanonerf. As for the OP: I mostly love the upcoming changes, even though they spell the death of my nanocurse. Making ABs an actually useful pvp module and generally pushing speeds down so nobody is totally immune to damage sounds good in my book. Missiles will become a bit too good -- but they are a bit too good already and maybe they'll be tweaked a bit, too. All in all, me likes.
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:09:00 - [7] Im a bit ambivalent i like that smaller ships seem to be able to have a better chance against larger ships due to web nerf. However as an avid Drake hater from day one due to missile counters being broken, i.e. there isnt that many ways to specifically fit your ship to go against a drake but to try to do more dps(focus more on em maybe) and tank more than it since ab:ing smaller ships doesnt stand a chance to break tank nor can tank its always hitting missiles. Support the nerf and bring in the missile disruptor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:19:00 - [8] I like that frigates are now more viable for close range under gun tracking due to weaker webs. I dont like that missiles are I win now (omg I am missiles specced and can bbq speed tanking ships and frigs now) but I heard they will do something against it.
Mamarto Minmatar Dead Pirates' Society Valhalla Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:28:00 - [9] I support the nano-nerf, but I'm against the web nerf.
Taco Raptorian	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:29:00 - [10] Yes, hopefully missiles will be tweaked and the nano whine will stop. But it could be worse, we could've all been Minmatar.
Sir Drake	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:32:00 - [11] Im loving it. About the missiles, i still have hopes for some kind of anti-missile system thats turret based and actully works. Waiting for it for 5 years now and this might be the right time to bring it. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Anubis Hatak OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:35:00 - [12] Yeah, it's going to be great with all these action packed new fights. f1-18 click point, web, rep, injector Ohhh yes, fun fun fun. Zooming around trying to keep your ship alive > clicking a few modules and waiting.
Yo Mommy Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:44:00 - [13] Edited by: Yo Mommy on 29/07/2008 13:48:12 It's gonna be fun I like new situations and to be forced to adapt to new terms. Plus, what Kano said, in with the missile disruptor.
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 13:46:00 - [14] btw, i agree when it comes to missiles. not so much about webs, i like many others welcome the revival of AFs and close range Inties. A note regarding missiles, since more people will be fitting ABs instead of MWDs it seriously ruins the day of those drakes and cerbs we're worried about, definitely the ravens. My main is a missile user and i have alot of first hand experience when it comes on being both ends of the missile equation, and i think the increase use of AB will somewhat address that issue, though further tweaks might indeed be needed. I think a gang of 3 AFs will give a drake a hard time. - Desusigs!
adriaans Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.29 14:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Mamarto I support the nano-nerf, but I'm against the web nerf. this -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
kessah State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:02:00 - [16] Amen, i might even take my battleship into 0.0
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:58:00 - [17] Quote: i also expect some megathron\phoon magic Don't dream, the web and MWD nerf simply kill the blasterboat. Whith a 60% web and large gun against a AB HAC you are now simply F UC KED. Or you are too slow and don't web enought to catch your target, Or the HAC come under 1000m and you don't have enought tracking to hit him well cause your web at 60% is just a BIG JOKE. The nerf wo come is not a Nano-nerf. It's a nerf to all user of close range setup, and mainly a nerf against BS. It's also a nerf against solo pvp, we are going to need to be 2 or 3 on a gate to catch a solo BS, cause whith the web at 60% it's easy to get back at the gate and jump. ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Yaro	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:04:00 - [18] yep...its going to be brilliant, nerf nanos as soon as possible, and the only thing you are going to see is BIG BLOB VS BIGGER BLOBS VS F>>>>G HUGE BLOBS. It will mean one thing, land in a blob and receive your free pod express to cloning facility ! Smaller alliances and smaller corps will be truly screwed, because they will not have even a single chance to pvp, because it will mean that blob vs blob.
kessah State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:08:00 - [19] Edited by: kessah on 29/07/2008 16:10:30 Originally by: Yaro yep...its going to be brilliant, nerf nanos as soon as possible, and the only thing you are going to see is BIG BLOB VS BIGGER BLOBS VS F>>>>G HUGE BLOBS. It will mean one thing, land in a blob and receive your free pod express to cloning facility ! Smaller alliances and smaller corps will be truly screwed, because they will not have even a single chance to pvp, because it will mean that blob vs blob. Bring a scout? Black Op's? Frigate fleets? It never used to be this way man. There was a time when eve didnt go this fast. We relied on our Guns and Tactics to win. -il add further, people that 'blob up' always are dumbed down in pvp, everyones alone in space at some point and if there caught by a capable solo pvp'er they will go down very easy because they are not battle hardenered from relying on there gang mates. There shaking from the rush, making mistakes and the other chaps done it a thousand times before.
supr3m3justic3 Caldari ACE'S OVER 8'S	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Missiles will become a bit too good -- but they are a bit too good already and maybe they'll be tweaked a bit, too. All in all, me likes. I ever though i would see the day someone said this...... __________________________________________________
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:12:00 - [21] Quote: Frigate fleets? Hey true, frig whith AB just going to be able to kill BS cause : "The 60% web is just a BIG JOKE" Thanks CCP for this big nerf of battleship and blasterboat (going to be fun to tackle a target whith a blasterBS who go at 700m/s whith a 60% web) ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:24:00 - [22] Edited by: DarthJosh on 29/07/2008 16:25:04 Originally by: BABARR Quote: i also expect some megathron\phoon magic Don't dream, the web and MWD nerf simply kill the blasterboat. Whith a 60% web and large gun against a AB HAC you are now simply F UC KED. Or you are too slow and don't web enought to catch your target, Or the HAC come under 1000m and you don't have enought tracking to hit him well cause your web at 60% is just a BIG JOKE. The nerf wo come is not a Nano-nerf. It's a nerf to all user of close range setup, and mainly a nerf against BS. It's also a nerf against solo pvp, we are going to need to be 2 or 3 on a gate to catch a solo BS, cause whith the web at 60% it's easy to get back at the gate and jump. Well dude i don't know about you, but my mega nearly always had 6 guns and a heavy neut when running solo, or atleast sometimes when i got ****y i slapped a medium nuet. Today we have neut drones too. the nerf puts the edge back to the solo mega since now its speed is not its handicapped when facing smaller class ships! capacitor and module size and ship class start to actually mean something again for the experienced pilot, not isk dumped into ship! a ship with no cap doesn't seem to move much if you ask me, it WILL kill its AB if it had one, and it will still sit there and suffer that 60% to its base speed! sure its not that lovely 40k hp 7 neutron mwding mega hitting people doing 30ms people got accustomed to. but hey. and dude, who expects 1 webber on a gate? mind you, base speed for most ships got reduced, the ships that will still stand a chance to escape are the ones that always got away with it, inties and vagas. and Oy, even medium guns will fail to hit if a ship goes under 1000, its been a bug since day one, the 0 meter multiplication bug. i don't know about you, but my mega used to hit and hit hard at 500meters, but still, i'd expect targets to be at 1.5-2km orbits. not sub 1000m orbits. - Desusigs!
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Yaro yep...its going to be brilliant, nerf nanos as soon as possible, and the only thing you are going to see is BIG BLOB VS BIGGER BLOBS VS F>>>>G HUGE BLOBS. It will mean one thing, land in a blob and receive your free pod express to cloning facility ! Smaller alliances and smaller corps will be truly screwed, because they will not have even a single chance to pvp, because it will mean that blob vs blob. you argument in nonsensical you fail at sarcsm and trolling, sorry - Desusigs!
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:28:00 - [24] Originally by: BABARR Quote: Frigate fleets? Hey true, frig whith AB just going to be able to kill BS cause : "The 60% web is just a BIG JOKE" Thanks CCP for this big nerf of battleship and blasterboat (going to be fun to tackle a target whith a blasterBS who go at 700m/s whith a 60% web) sigh again, nuets... neut drones... and drones in general. you speak as if webbing an ishtar thats doing 8kms with a 90% to get it down to 800-1k speeds was any better! atleast now that frigate isn't packing 350 drone dps - Desusigs!
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:36:00 - [25] Quote: you speak as if webbing an ishtar thats doing 8kms with a 90% to get it down to 800-1k speeds was any better! Yes, cause atm a MWd's BS going at more than 1km/s and a ishtar who go at 8km/s using a MWd so he have a big signature radius, if you web him, he die. Whith the patch you are going to see ishtar whith AB who is going at 500m of you whith a TD in med slot and whith your web at 60% you are simply going to be FU CK ED. You will be unable to use your MWD if he have a warp scrambler, so unable to take a bit of range to be able to hit him. You will be unable to get back on a gate cause you are going to be webbed. At least, actually, when nano is at 20km orbiting and hiting you, you are still able to activate MWD and you are not webbed. WHY when CCP want to nerf the nano-ship they nerf ALL OTHER SHIP???? ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:41:00 - [26] Edited by: DarthJosh on 29/07/2008 16:42:58 Originally by: BABARR Quote: you speak as if webbing an ishtar thats doing 8kms with a 90% to get it down to 800-1k speeds was any better! Yes, cause atm a MWd's BS going at more than 1km/s and a ishtar who go at 8km/s using a MWd so he have a big signature radius, if you web him, he die. oh my god ok, i'll entertain you some more. this is your argument parsed: Quote: if you web him then he die. endif did you ever try to web a nano pilot doing 8kms? or even 6kms? how many people did it take you to kill them? also, sidenote: at those speeds, sig radios is mostly rendered irrelevant. - Desusigs!
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:49:00 - [27] Yes! I can't wait to instapop anything that fits for speed
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:56:00 - [28] Hey dude, i don't say nano don't have to be nerfed, YES they have to be nerfed. I just find CCP use a bit too much the nerfbat, and they making some very very strange thing. (Like nerfing the web in a patch to nerf the nano, like nerfing the BS (Speed/web) in a patch to try to stop the cruiser T2 overpowered). And the probleme is CCP not going to kill the nano abuser, they just create totally new game mech, so new xxx-abuser. Nano setup can be "decent" and fun if CCP just increase the stack penality or decrease the attribute of some item, but they actually just KILL all a play-style. It's going to be like the nosferatu. Big nerf = totally useless item now. ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Thorek Ironbrow Caldari Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:10:00 - [29] Guys saying that missiles always hit are forgetting that since they are still going so fast, they will most likely be out of the missiles explosion velocity anyway, so the max they'll get hit for is like 10. ____________________________ Originally by: Elirel this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff. [/
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:32:00 - [30] Edited by: SuiJuris on 29/07/2008 17:32:36 Originally by: BABARR Quote: Frigate fleets? Hey true, frig whith AB just going to be able to kill BS cause : "The 60% web is just a BIG JOKE" Thanks CCP for this big nerf of battleship and blasterboat (going to be fun to tackle a target whith a blasterBS who go at 700m/s whith a 60% web) Originally by: BABARR Quote: i also expect some megathron\phoon magic Don't dream, the web and MWD nerf simply kill the blasterboat. Whith a 60% web and large gun against a AB HAC you are now simply F UC KED. Or you are too slow and don't web enought to catch your target, Or the HAC come under 1000m and you don't have enought tracking to hit him well cause your web at 60% is just a BIG JOKE. The nerf wo come is not a Nano-nerf. It's a nerf to all user of close range setup, and mainly a nerf against BS. It's also a nerf against solo pvp, we are going to need to be 2 or 3 on a gate to catch a solo BS, cause whith the web at 60% it's easy to get back at the gate and jump. Your forgetting that Battleships can fit SmartBombs, and HAVE drone Bays....

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