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Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:22:00 - [1] So there I was in a busy system with about 100+ or so pilots in local. I was getting the itch for some FW/PvP and I read some relieving news in local. D-bag: Hey can anyone help us break this gatecamp? Me: (Oh boy, opportune time to lend a hand) Sure, I can help. I get the fleet invite and join the crew. All from same corp, each with 2> sec status so I figured....naaa these guys gotta be legit. So we jump through the gate to low sec...nobody there. The FC asks if I know how to scan and said ya so we all go to the first planet. Soon as we get there I kind of sense some type of awkwardness. Why are all of us going to the same planet to scan? I'm in a fast stabber so I MWD a bit and do some scans and we find nothing. I was about 50km from the crew. So we warp to the next planet. This time however was a little different. I start to scan for ships and all of a sudden I hear the targeting noise. Like a nub I freak out and smash the button for the MWD. Unfortunately the stabber wasn't so fast after a web and point. Many T2 hammerheads later I was dead. Beat by 2 vexors and a rupture. Me: Damn I forgot to insure this badboy too. D-bag: Let this be a valuable lesson Lesser D-bag: PWNED! Even lesser D-bag: haha1 And then I get booted from the fleet. A valuable lesson? No. A lesson yea. (I'm sure he knows it takes about a single lvl 4 missions to fully mod and insure several cheap-o stabbers) But one thing that puzzled me. Why are you allowed to fire upon members in your own fleet? I understand you should be able to target for remote mods etc. But shouldn't shooting be disabled when in the same fleet? Either way I got a little laugh at the end of the day. Something most games rarely give.
DaJokr As Soon As Possible	Posted - 2008.07.29 15:30:00 - [2] In high sec, concord would have attacked and destroyed them. You said you were in low sec however, thats why they were able to attack, you being in there fleet just made you that much easier of a target. Rule of thoumb (thought this was obvious), don't join a fleet with anyone you don't know, ESPECIALLY in lowsec. If I had been you I woulda found a way to single one of THEM out and pop them. But thats just me.
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:30:00 - [3] Welcome to eve.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:42:00 - [4] hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other?
InSession Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.07.29 16:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? DaJokR already said it. You were in lowsec, fleet or not you are fair game, even if you were in the same corp they could shoot you. If it was highsec they wouldn't have been able to, they would have been concorded. If you are asking, why should fleet members be able to shoot each other then you'll need to take that question to a dev
Marius Rai	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? A good reason? Easy profit.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Marius Rai Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? A good reason? Easy profit. Whats this...profit you speak of?
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:08:00 - [8] Originally by: InSession Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? DaJokR already said it. You were in lowsec, fleet or not you are fair game, even if you were in the same corp they could shoot you. If it was highsec they wouldn't have been able to, they would have been concorded. If you are asking, why should fleet members be able to shoot each other then you'll need to take that question to a dev Regarding the last bit, badda-bing! Thats what I was trying to get at.
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:26:00 - [9] So this is what it's like.... to get owned.....
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Ikvar So this is what it's like.... to get owned..... Na, I would define getting owned in this situation as in losing say a vagabond fitted with all T2, polycarb rigs etc. Now that would be ownage. Funny as I think about it, I'm pretty sure I actually made a little extra cash with this loss
Sol'Kanar Minmatar NightCrew	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:28:00 - [11] Hai! 1v1?
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:29:00 - [12] if you are a new player... then it is a valuable lesson.... never trust people in eve you cant physically hurt/touch in RL... is sad... but yeah, you cant even trust people in high sec either.... hence always, fly cheap!!! and yeah, nobody is legit =P Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Jenny' JoJo Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:31:00 - [13] fW bUGS mEANS yOU cAN wARDEC fRENDLY mILITA cORPS fOR ePIC lOL. Refresh to see next real life CCP Sig(25 total)
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:40:00 - [14] People aren't "d-bags" for wanting to kill you and ruin your day in EVE. That's your everyday normal player.
GallenteCitizen20080615 Gallente Federation War News	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Jenny' JoJo fW bUGS mEANS yOU cAN wARDEC fRENDLY mILITA cORPS fOR ePIC lOL. cAPS lOCK iS sTILL oN!!!!!1! Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Jennifer Celeste	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? even if he wasnt in your fleet...he can shoot you in low sec. what the hell are you missing about this one, you dumb shit.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Jennifer Celeste Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? even if he wasnt in your fleet...he can shoot you in low sec. what the hell are you missing about this one, you dumb shit. You my friend, are missing the point. The question at hand was should pilots in the same fleet be able to open fire upon each other. AKA fit a mechanic where you have to first disband the member from the fleet and then attack. What did this have to do with any sec? I didn't even mention sec status in my question. It dealt strictly with Fleet members opening fire upon each other. Next.
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Jennifer Celeste Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? even if he wasnt in your fleet...he can shoot you in low sec. what the hell are you missing about this one, you dumb shit. jeeeezzz man, relax. i mean that sincerely, take it easy! Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Highwind Cid The question at hand was should pilots in the same fleet be able to open fire upon each other. Why shouldn't they be able to fire upon each other?
Saphirre Explora Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.29 21:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Ess Erbe Originally by: Highwind Cid The question at hand was should pilots in the same fleet be able to open fire upon each other. Why shouldn't they be able to fire upon each other? /Signed Honestly it was a noob mistake, take your hard learned lesson and know not to do it in the future.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 21:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Ess Erbe Originally by: Highwind Cid The question at hand was should pilots in the same fleet be able to open fire upon each other. Why shouldn't they be able to fire upon each other? Why should they?
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 21:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Saphirre Originally by: Ess Erbe Originally by: Highwind Cid The question at hand was should pilots in the same fleet be able to open fire upon each other. Why shouldn't they be able to fire upon each other? /Signed Honestly it was a noob mistake, take your hard learned lesson and know not to do it in the future. I'm above and beyond what happened, thats fine. I just thought I might have been on to something. Something maybe the Dev's could patch in when the slow season comes. (Thats if it even exists)
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.29 21:35:00 - [23] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 21:48:40 Originally by: Ess Erbe Originally by: Highwind Cid The question at hand was should pilots in the same fleet be able to open fire upon each other. Why shouldn't they be able to fire upon each other? This. Like it or hate it, EVE is just like that. Nobody is forcing you to play a game where scamming, killing, and other mischief is not just accepted but is embraced and encouraged. edit: Originally by: Highwind Cid Something maybe the Dev's could patch in when the slow season comes. (Thats if it even exists) Ok you don't seem to be getting it. Something like this will never be added for the same reason there will never be an automated system that enforces ransom. You put your ship in their hands when you trust them. EVE is SUPPOSED to be this way. You either accept EVE is brutal or leave. Oh and most people here play eve because it's brutal and encourages backstabbing, not dispite it. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.07.29 21:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Highwind Cid Originally by: Ess Erbe Originally by: Highwind Cid The question at hand was should pilots in the same fleet be able to open fire upon each other. Why shouldn't they be able to fire upon each other? Why should they? Same reason you are allowed to play this game. And you know that one, so you're question is answered.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.29 21:56:00 - [25] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 22:04:28 To reinforce my point that EVE is meant to be harsh like that i'll give you a pair of quotes from developers themselves. Word for word copy/paste Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears. Rewritten from scratch. Sorry if itÆs not 100% accurate Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE wasnÆt made to look like a cold harsh world. It was meant to BE a cold harsh world. (If you don't like it) ThatÆs what Hello kitty online is for. When the devs themselves say "If you don't like it, go play a different game" you know there is no point in argueing. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:50:00 - [26] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 22:04:28 To reinforce my point that EVE is meant to be harsh like that i'll give you a pair of quotes from developers themselves. Word for word copy/paste Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears. Rewritten from scratch. Sorry if itÆs not 100% accurate Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE wasnÆt made to look like a cold harsh world. It was meant to BE a cold harsh world. (If you don't like it) ThatÆs what Hello kitty online is for. When the devs themselves say "If you don't like it, go play a different game" you know there is no point in argueing. Check the last part of my OP. I didn't say I didn't like it, I thought I was maybe onto a missing piece of the puzzle that is EVE. It seems like I'm trying to be provoked. It seems like everyone for some reason is biased as seeing my thread as a 'whine'. It is not, I'm sorry but people need to re-adjust there whine sensors so they can properly determine a whine.Not every post containing a loss (heh, if gaining isk due to insurance is considered a "loss") is all about one. And for those that saw it as so, I'm sorry to disappoint.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.29 23:06:00 - [27] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 23:09:22 Anyways, you just didn't seem to understand that EVE isn't supposed to cater to everyone. It's just not for those who are impatient and can't accept brutallity is what EVE is made of. Hence the quote "if you don't like it, go play WoW" isn't a flame. It's the cold hard truth. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.29 23:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Highwind Cid hmm, still not answers to my question. Can anyone think of a good reason fleet members should be able to fire upon each other? So that people can do stuff like what happened to you
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.07.29 23:11:00 - [29] Edited by: Highwind Cid on 29/07/2008 23:11:45 Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 29/07/2008 23:09:22 Anyways, you just didn't seem to understand that EVE isn't supposed to cater to everyone. It's just not for those who are impatient and can't accept brutallity is what EVE is made of. Hence the quote "if you don't like it, go play WoW" isn't a flame. It's the cold hard truth. Do you think being able to open fire upon members in the same fleet is a little awkward?
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.29 23:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Highwind Cid Do you think being able to open fire upon members in the same fleet is a little awkward? Nope. I'm usually more direct, but i've used to before myself. Like any good scam only newbies and fools fall for it. It's just the way EVE is. Personally I, and many others, play EVE because of it's brutality and unforgiving nature rather then despite it. If you still don't get it EVE may just not be for you. No insult meant. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.

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