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Ash Vincetti Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 07:39:00 - [61] Edited by: Ash Vincetti on 30/07/2008 07:43:50 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2008 07:33:52 Question and claarification to above before judgement: Can the battleship kill the interceptor if the interceptor doesn't want to(aka, keeps it's distance/etc)? Unless the interceptor warps away, or manages to get to 250km, yes. Because of the reduced speed and maneuverability, by the time you get locked you'll likely be 40-60km away, and the trip to 250km isn't fast enough, even on a spiral outward orbit to keep the transversal high enough to avoid being vaporized. That is the same issue in reverse. It's very unlikely you can tack in on a battleship from distance without being hit. Suicidal if there is more than one. edit: This basically puts the role out of the interceptor, and into HICS and dictors. The 'ceptor has gone from a "get on them fast enough to hold them down" to "wait 250k out until the fight starts, then slowboat in to try and hold down support" - aka, a group of battleships and battlecruisers perform a better job at covering each other than a mixed fleet does. Between drones, neuts, medium guns, and light and medium drones, an interceptor or even group of interceptors can't really do the job of holding a single target down. The job gets passed out to tougher ships that can whitstand the punishment. As it was, orbiting a vaga at 20km was already dicey because of hit mechanics. With the slower speeds, even medium guns will ruin your day. ----- free bree!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.07.30 07:58:00 - [62] If, using the interceptor as an example, the inty can be killed by any ship(like cruisers, battleships, etc) without it being able to do anything, then there's a problem. I just have this slight tickle in my bum that A: this isn't that big a problem and B: it is big enough a problem to be a problem. I'm thinking, this should go through, but then do a bit of tweaking to balance the "really bad outcomes". Because as it sounds, i'm kinda liking the fact frigates are taken out of the battleship arena. Kinda. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
facialimpediment Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.30 08:11:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Taera You do not need to start over - speed is still a viable option, we've just made it an option instead of a mandatory tool for near invulnerabilty. Relatively speaking, Interceptors are actually getting a boost! Check it out on Singularity and give your feedback in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. :) Come back when you've played your own game, thanks. You've never, ever flown an interceptor in a decent fight and it's painfully obvious. I know this is very, very late, but it bears repeating. Before CCP completely breaks their game, they need to play it.
teji	Posted - 2008.07.30 08:14:00 - [64] Originally by: facialimpediment Originally by: CCP Taera You do not need to start over - speed is still a viable option, we've just made it an option instead of a mandatory tool for near invulnerabilty. Relatively speaking, Interceptors are actually getting a boost! Check it out on Singularity and give your feedback in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. :) Come back when you've played your own game, thanks. You've never, ever flown an interceptor in a decent fight and it's painfully obvious. I know this is very, very late, but it bears repeating. Before CCP completely breaks their game, they need to play it. Silly goon, CCP doesn't play their game because they are afraid that they might accidentally spawn t2 bpos for themselves.
PriestWithKnives Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.30 08:19:00 - [65] Edited by: PriestWithKnives on 30/07/2008 08:20:50 Then: Interceptors - A ship people would buy rigs,implants, high meta modules on in which to tackle. Now: Interceptors - Useless and will die to the first battleship they orbit in disruptor range. Fly a frigate, at least they're disposable.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.07.30 08:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Jimer Lins The "nerf" is really only to bring these ships into line with something resembling reason. No ship should be able to outrun missiles. Why? Missiles cant miss and have screwed up range. You can also load them with any damage type. Why shouldnt they be able to miss?
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.30 09:10:00 - [67] Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 30/07/2008 09:10:41 Originally by: Marion Rendois stuff about real missiles Well, considering ships in eve shouldn't even have a top speed it is all kind of moot tbh. Bagsy the frontier style of flight where we all accelerate as much as we can before our retro thrusters kick in to decelerate us enough to stop us crashing into a large planet. What was the common jump point to station speed? i'm sure we used to go about 15000 KM/s or something without any mods or equipment.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 09:48:00 - [68] Cry me a River, PvP-Newbs and Nano-***s who think that Speed should be the solution for everything. Oh you already did, nevermind...
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.30 09:56:00 - [69] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 30/07/2008 09:10:41 Originally by: Marion Rendois stuff about real missiles Well, considering ships in eve shouldn't even have a top speed it is all kind of moot tbh. Bagsy the frontier style of flight where we all accelerate as much as we can before our retro thrusters kick in to decelerate us enough to stop us crashing into a large planet. What was the common jump point to station speed? i'm sure we used to go about 15000 KM/s or something without any mods or equipment. Please point out those invisible bay thrusters that make these spaceshippies go anywhere but forward.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.30 10:10:00 - [70] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 30/07/2008 09:10:41 Originally by: Marion Rendois stuff about real missiles Well, considering ships in eve shouldn't even have a top speed it is all kind of moot tbh. Bagsy the frontier style of flight where we all accelerate as much as we can before our retro thrusters kick in to decelerate us enough to stop us crashing into a large planet. What was the common jump point to station speed? i'm sure we used to go about 15000 KM/s or something without any mods or equipment. Please point out those invisible bay thrusters that make these spaceshippies go anywhere but forward. Don;t forget that travelling around even in the same solar system could take weeks, i wasn't saying what you were talking about was rubbish at at, kinda aggreeing that actual physics have no place in EVE. Bullcrap do i want to take a month to do a single mission in real time.

Turiel Demon Minmatar SHRIKE. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 10:51:00 - [71] Originally by: CCP Taera speed is still a viable option, we've just made it an option instead of a mandatory tool for near invulnerability. Well, there we have it, the proof that CCP don't actually play the same game as the rest of us. ---- nothing to see here, move along nicely now, is that a pink dread out there. aaww you just missed it -eris
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.07.30 11:30:00 - [72] Fumunda as you are relatively new I'll go easy on you, as I doubt you were around last major nerf. You started training for speed assuming this is the way it would always be in EVE. Its fair enough, you didn't know any different. But now you do. Now you realize CCP changes things for overall balance. Whining about it wont help. Now you need to think differently. Also I find the fact you were training to nano an ishtar without even considering any other form of tank to be saddening. ________________________ Lord WarATron: "To do the Abaddon Hadoken, you need to do the following manover with the joypad. ↓ .... ↓→ .... → + ●
Pilot Abilene Caldari Serpentine Dream Theory	Posted - 2008.07.30 11:57:00 - [73] **** me drunk...for such a "hardcore" gaming community I have never seen a bigger bunch of whining pussies in my life. Forget all the rules that you are taught coming out of the tutorial as there is only one rule to eve...ADAPT OR DIE. Well that or GTFO.
ninjaholic Gallente Procrasgineering Inc	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:01:00 - [74] Originally by: Fumunda minuts Insert original rant here (snipped so I'm not repeating it) Regarding post #1: I felt the same with the Myrmidon nerf ages ago. I maximized my drone skills to sick levels with no intentions of maxing my gunner out for a while as I was busy loving flying the Myrmidon, and all that damage that it dealt out. However when the Myrm nerf came out I died inside a bit, as I'd specialized my char for the boat, maxing drone skills all to V, with Spec skills across the board to IV and training Battlecruiser V lastly, as it was on IV for ages. So, shortly before I finished BC V, the Myrm gets nerfed. I felt jilted to say the least, but I have to admit that it was a great idea, after realizing the damage that the boat deals out when compared to the other races. In this case, I support the decision by CCP, as they recon, as to loads of people I talk about Eve with and play with, that there are too many nano'd vessels taking the p**s. Still train up for a nano vessel as they still have their advantages. :) Wait it out and see eh? You may feel different after the patch gets released. Eve O's in-game fight record tool!!
Sovereign533 Caldari PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:18:00 - [75] ok, guess i won't be visiting the forums anymore =\ speed is overpowered, and for once, i actually agree with the devs. it's no longer an option to fly speed, it's manditory. they already tried a nerf earlier, and it only really nerfed the Typhoon. but it's kind of getting annoying. first Amarr was overpowered with the 7 heatsink geddons -> nerf then it was branded Caldari Online for the EW and ravens -> EW nerf then it was dampners on everything -> nerf during that time minmatar was called Might Aswell Train Another Race -> became manditory now speed is the fotm and is manditory in almost every fight so, -> nerf
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:20:00 - [76] Responding in fail thread #9001 about snakes on a plane and adding nothing of relevance with another satirically charged and meme saturated poast...? I'm actually getting sick of all these threads, so I'm going to say what I never thought I'd say publicly, and that is adapt or die. Speed was getting out of hand and anyone that says only Snake set owners were achieving insane speeds (for some reason this is a popular argument) is delusional or running propaganda against facts. Yes, the nerfbat is harsh, just like the game world. I've experienced it many times myself.
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:21:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Taera You do not need to start over - speed is still a viable option, we've just made it an option instead of a mandatory tool for near invulnerabilty. Relatively speaking, Interceptors are actually getting a boost! Check it out on Singularity and give your feedback in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. :) No. you are wrong, quit whilst your ahead. Or just quit altogether.
Shinjin Malvek Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:36:00 - [78] I agree that speed seemed to be a problem to me on the larger ships, Hac's and such so as far as the nerf go's I don't mind it there but on the other end of things I think that the Ceptors should be left as they are. I don't fly them but have seen many used in combat and they appear to be working as they should in my op. Ceptors should be the king of speed in the game but yet still remain a frig with the small frig cap and structure so they are still vulnerable. I have seen many ceptors taken out while preforming what they were meant to do as it is and I see no reason to slow them down. All slowing a ceptor down is going to do is make it more cost efective to take a fast T1 frig to do the ceptors job or some other ship with more armor. Again I only see the uber nano Hacs and such as any kind of nano speed problem let the ceptor do what it is designed to do.
Arran Ramir	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:44:00 - [79] Basicly it comes down too this [Pre Nano nerf ] Nano PvP vets : Cry me a River Carebear, its a valid Game Mechanic, L2P PvP nub, Adept or Play Kitty Online. [Post Nano Nerf] Carebears : ROFL Cry me a River Nano****, l2Adept, or go play Kitty Online... Its allmost too hillarious... For me, i just learned too fly a Inty with 3km/s speed took me months, bit like OP, i started out and learned a FOTM tree, hoping too hop in quickly into the Action.. But then, i knew what i was doing, and i wont complain, it was fun as long it lasted, as allways with any FOTM builds in ANY MMO.. Its just too hillarious too see the whining and griming here, suddenly took a 180 degree turn
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:54:00 - [80] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: Steel Tigeress Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All you are doing is removing choice and making the game less diverse. You want people to fly nothing but tanked battleships supported by ECM/logistics. Just sit there and slug it out, biggest blob wins. If you don't bring enough you all die. Yay for Amarr/Caldari online. The problem is that now the blob, what you guys claim to dread, is Nano. Almost everyong flys nano in PvP... there is no diversity or variation, you either fit for speed or get overwhelmed by those that do. nanogangs are fun and easy to kill. They don't blob because if you are flying a papership and there is a lot of lag you don't even have to make any mistake to die. By taking speed out of the picture they are not only dumbing down the gameplay, but discouraging any kind of solo/small gang work. Sorry my friend, most pilots (including speed tanking specialists) disagree with you on most counts. I would suggest getting your facts straight, read the arguments for and against that the veteran pilots have posted, and then get back to us.

Venec Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:55:00 - [81] Oh, I don't whine at nanonerf, I whine that EVE begins to cater lazy underskilled bums, instead of skilled experience and SP wise ppl. Don't worry, my plated harbi is ready for action, with dual repped sacri not far behind him.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 12:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2008 07:39:01 Question and claarification to above before judgement: Can the battleship kill the interceptor if the interceptor doesn't want to(aka, keeps it's distance/etc)? The reason i ask is that if the above is correct, this might be a step towards a more realistic battle scenario where one frigate should NOT go near a battleship. If the battleship can't fight frigates, and the frigates can't fight battleships(one on one), then it would force fleets to have more frigate vs frigate, cruiser vs frigate, cruiser vs cruiser etc fights and leave the big boys fight amongst eachother. Unless ofcourse you fit a battleship for a destroyer role. Because we all want that realistic scenario. What you're suggesting removes nano as the supposed solopwn, and makes BS solopwn. --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:02:00 - [83] Originally by: Arran Ramir Basicly it comes down too this [Pre Nano nerf ] Nano PvP vets : Cry me a River Carebear, its a valid Game Mechanic, L2P PvP nub, Adept or Play Kitty Online. [Post Nano Nerf] Carebears : ROFL Cry me a River Nano**, l2Adept, or go play Kitty Online... Its allmost too hillarious... For me, i just learned too fly a Inty with 3km/s speed took me months, bit like OP, i started out and learned a FOTM tree, hoping too hop in quickly into the Action.. But then, i knew what i was doing, and i wont complain, it was fun as long it lasted, as allways with any FOTM builds in ANY MMO.. Its just too hillarious too see the whining and griming here, suddenly took a 180 degree turn Was more like: [Pre Nano nerf ] Nano PvP vets : Cry me a River Carebear, its a valid Game Mechanic, L2P PvP nub, Adept or Play Kitty Online. Carbears: But CCP! Look, they are beating me everytime and it's not fair! I don't want to use the counters that are available I just want to do it MY way! NERF [Post Nano Nerf] Carebears : ROFL Cry me a River Nano**, l2Adept, or go play Kitty Online... I whined till the Dev's intervened --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:03:00 - [84] Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 30/07/2008 12:56:54 Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: Steel Tigeress Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All you are doing is removing choice and making the game less diverse. You want people to fly nothing but tanked battleships supported by ECM/logistics. Just sit there and slug it out, biggest blob wins. If you don't bring enough you all die. Yay for Amarr/Caldari online. The problem is that now the blob, what you guys claim to dread, is Nano. Almost everyong flys nano in PvP... there is no diversity or variation, you either fit for speed or get overwhelmed by those that do. nanogangs are fun and easy to kill. They don't blob because if you are flying a papership and there is a lot of lag you don't even have to make any mistake to die. By taking speed out of the picture they are not only dumbing down the gameplay, but discouraging any kind of solo/small gang work. Sorry my friend, most pilots (including speed tanking specialists) disagree with you on most counts. I would suggest getting your facts straight, read the arguments for and against that the veteran pilots have posted, and then get back to us. Yes, nano ships can be taken down if you specialize your fittings and know what you are doing. There are a large number of people posting on this that have killboards full of dead nano ships (IE. your "I killed a nano ship once so I'm special" isn't scoring you any points). This does not change the fact that they are out of balance with the rest of the game. Difference is good, out of balance is bad. How can you say that most pilots disagree? Look at the vote threads in Assembly Hall, I believe you might be mistaken. --
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:10:00 - [85] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 30/07/2008 13:12:49 Pathetic Legion and Cryumvirate should be flooding this thread with tears any moment now. And yes this nerf has been long overdue. It seems a little excessive but it's better than nothing at all. And with time I hope CCP tweeks it to perfection. 'Nuff said.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:13:00 - [86] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2008 07:39:01 Question and claarification tosnipa destroyer role. Because we all want that realistic scenario. What you're suggesting removes nano as the supposed solopwn, and makes BS solopwn. While i'm not suggesting anything, simply saying what would be a nice way for things to progress to, regarding your reply, BS should be more "solo-pwn" then a frigate variable. Frigates, solo, hould hunt other frigates or cruisers maybe, but not battleships. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:24:00 - [87] Heh, Marcus, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. The voting thread Pro is full of nano pilots and all of their 16 alts/accounts. Look at the names, do some checking, you'll see what I mean. More to the point, many of those that have voted against the nerf as it stands now have expressed the opinion that "something" needs to be done... they just aren't happy with one part of the patch or another... not taking into consideration that these values are out there to be experimented with and tweaked and are not meant to be final. So no, most pilots do NOT think the status quo should stand as it is. Many are not pleased with the current state of affairs on Sisi and that is fair enough, but the mature players in the game recognize that things are a bit out of whack now.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:30:00 - [88] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 30/07/2008 07:39:01 Question and claarification tosnipa destroyer role. Because we all want that realistic scenario. What you're suggesting removes nano as the supposed solopwn, and makes BS solopwn. While i'm not suggesting anything, simply saying what would be a nice way for things to progress to, regarding your reply, BS should be more "solo-pwn" then a frigate variable. Frigates, solo, hould hunt other frigates or cruisers maybe, but not battleships. So you think that Battleships should be able to just take out anything smaller than them solo? Tbh, thats a bit more ******ed than what is going on atm. --
Aenis Veros Caldari Alphaflight	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:45:00 - [89] Originally by: CCP Taera You do not need to start over - speed is still a viable option, we've just made it an option instead of a mandatory tool for near invulnerabilty. Relatively speaking, Interceptors are actually getting a boost! Check it out on Singularity and give your feedback in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. :) Hydra alt detected.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.30 13:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Ranger 1 Heh, Marcus, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. The voting thread Pro is full of nano pilots and all of their 16 alts/accounts. Look at the names, do some checking, you'll see what I mean. More to the point, many of those that have voted against the nerf as it stands now have expressed the opinion that "something" needs to be done... they just aren't happy with one part of the patch or another... not taking into consideration that these values are out there to be experimented with and tweaked and are not meant to be final. So no, most pilots do NOT think the status quo should stand as it is. Many are not pleased with the current state of affairs on Sisi and that is fair enough, but the mature players in the game recognize that things are a bit out of whack now. You could say the same thing about both of those threads. Or do you think only pro-nano players have multiple accounts? MAYBE the status quo is not correct, but to totally **** the game like this is rediculous. Thank you for making my point.



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