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Fearless Kill
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.07.31 02:31:00 -
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So caldari n00bs at pvp have been told their whole n00b years dont worry your ship is good; but only in gang environment, Your not meant for solo pvp, Train something else, get a friend to tackle
Well blaster boats will soon join this group.... Get a friend to tackle, and then get in range. Vollah
Nothing makes you exempt from your own advice to minions of n00bs before you.
The ONLY justification could be to extend blasters range to be brought in line with all the other close range damage ships now
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.31 02:56:00 -
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finally someone else agrees with me :P
check out the post asking for a 400% increase to tracking lol.
people need to stop thinking old and understand the basic game mechanics already in place.
sure it takes some skill, oh well deal with it right?
Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
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Zarthanon
Gallente TEAMSTERS
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zarthanon on 31/07/2008 03:02:34
Originally by: Fearless Kill So caldari n00bs at pvp have been told their whole n00b years dont worry your ship is good; but only in gang environment, Your not meant for solo pvp, Train something else, get a friend to tackle
Well blaster boats will soon join this group.... Get a friend to tackle, and then get in range. Vollah
Nothing makes you exempt from your own advice to minions of n00bs before you.
The ONLY justification could be to extend blasters range to be brought in line with all the other close range damage ships now
You seem to forget the part where a caldari ships still hits regardless if you yourself are webbed and microwarpscrammed. That doesn't matter, since you can't web a torpedo. But when we're just sitting here, webbed and scrammed, trying to get to a target--we can do. Nothing. I like pie. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless Kill So caldari n00bs at pvp have been told their whole n00b years dont worry your ship is good; but only in gang environment, Your not meant for solo pvp, Train something else, get a friend to tackle
Well blaster boats will soon join this group.... Get a friend to tackle, and then get in range. Vollah
Nothing makes you exempt from your own advice to minions of n00bs before you.
The ONLY justification could be to extend blasters range to be brought in line with all the other close range damage ships now
If I wanted my Hype/Megathron to be a Raven, I'd buy a f#cking Raven. There was *zero* wrong with TQ's blaster ship balance/performance. Nanos needed nerfing. Not blaster ships.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Tixxie Lix
Outer Heaven
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless Kill So caldari n00bs at pvp have been told their whole n00b years dont worry your ship is good; but only in gang environment, Your not meant for solo pvp, Train something else, get a friend to tackle
Well blaster boats will soon join this group.... Get a friend to tackle, and then get in range. Vollah
Nothing makes you exempt from your own advice to minions of n00bs before you.
The ONLY justification could be to extend blasters range to be brought in line with all the other close range damage ships now
It's like I have posted in other threads....
If you look at the module slots and bonuses of Gallente + Minmatar ships you will find that these ships are more inline for solo/small gang/gank pvp. Gallente have big dps but limited tank, Minmatar USED to have good alphastrike (until it was nerfed into the ground) and limited tank but speed made up the difference.
The trade off is that Caldari and Amarr have larger tanks and at times greater dps (depending on setups). The races were all designed differently, but unfortunately too many people have been complaining to CCP that "my Raven can't do what a Megathron does". The fact of the matter is that they're not designed to perform in the same manner. Caldari are usually sitting 30+km away from the target, why do you need a gank setup when you've been designed fundamentally to dictate range?
What CCP has been doing over the years by listening to these complaints is dumbing down the game and making it "equal", which in all fairness is complete rubbish. Like many people have posted, if the game was intended to be equal and fair they'd give us 1 choice of ship, 1 mod setup, and no SP.
CCP has forgotten what the original vision of EVE was and slowly is turning it into a game of numbers where more dps and ehp determine the winner.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:37:00 -
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*laughs*
This is a joke, right? Blaster boats are not solo ships?
If blaster boats are not solo ships, then WTF are they for? Close-range ships suck in gang fights, since you can't just MWD into range once and kill everything. Missiles and lasers just trash blaster boats in gang fights (maybe AC boats with Barrage ammo can work), and in anything over 5-10 people, fleet-fit sniper battleships dominate.
Just to make this nice and simple: Caldari = fleet. Gallente = solo. Any questions?
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless Kill So caldari n00bs at pvp have been told their whole n00b years dont worry your ship is good; but only in gang environment, Your not meant for solo pvp, Train something else, get a friend to tackle
Well blaster boats will soon join this group.... Get a friend to tackle, and then get in range. Vollah
Nothing makes you exempt from your own advice to minions of n00bs before you.
The ONLY justification could be to extend blasters range to be brought in line with all the other close range damage ships now
That's right, EVE is not a single player game! ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Tixxie Lix
Outer Heaven
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tixxie Lix
Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
Sorry what? I hear blaster ships are great in gangs now, as long as they have support, just like Caldari ships. See? Everything's balanced now. Everyone knows the Caldari's great gang support was the envy of the other races, so now you can too enjoy what it's like to be 'support'. ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Tixxie Lix
Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
Sorry what? I hear blaster ships are great in gangs now, as long as they have support, just like Caldari ships. See? Everything's balanced now. Everyone knows the Caldari's great gang support was the envy of the other races, so now you can too enjoy what it's like to be 'support'.
When did anyone (who knows what they're talking about) said that blaster ships are 'great in gangs'. They suck for any sort of combat where targets are spread out more than 5-10km apart.
Laser and missile and projectile ships are great in gangs. Blaster ships are horrible. My Torp Raven can hit anything in a 30km radius without moving for over 1k DPS. It's great in gangs. My Blasterthron has to MWD from one target 30km to the next to start doing damage. That is, if it doesn't get 2 pointed and have it's MWD shut off, or it gets webbed...
Blaster ships are terrible in gangs, even with support. Tacklers can't fix what's wrong with them. They're immobile and have no range or tracking. If I could do damage like my Abaddon or Raven at 20-30km with my Megathron then I wouldn't be complaining, but then my Megathron would be an Abaddon instead of a Megathron, now wouldn't it?
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Tixxie Lix
Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
Sorry what? I hear blaster ships are great in gangs now, as long as they have support, just like Caldari ships. See? Everything's balanced now. Everyone knows the Caldari's great gang support was the envy of the other races, so now you can too enjoy what it's like to be 'support'.
Wow you are stupid aren't you ? Blasters dont work in gangs because you spend your time mwd'ing around to the primary who dies when you arrive then on to the next.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:13:00 -
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Hehehe.. this is just sweet. So much Gallente crying who mocked Caldari when Caldari was crying.
Pre balance, gallente was the sure win in 90% of the time (1v1). A MWD made sure the mid range gap was eliminated instantly. Now it doesn't, and that is good.
But to be honest, I don't see the problem with blaster boats. A regular scrambler has 7.5km range, so either the target is already in a good range or the blaster boat has momentum enough to get in close to web the target. Yes, you can cry of 15km faction scramblers, but that is always a risk you have to take. And as you told Caldari, bring a friend. No ships should ever be a solopwnmobile.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Hehehe.. this is just sweet. So much Gallente crying who mocked Caldari when Caldari was crying.
Pre balance, gallente was the sure win in 90% of the time (1v1). A MWD made sure the mid range gap was eliminated instantly. Now it doesn't, and that is good.
But to be honest, I don't see the problem with blaster boats. A regular scrambler has 7.5km range, so either the target is already in a good range or the blaster boat has momentum enough to get in close to web the target. Yes, you can cry of 15km faction scramblers, but that is always a risk you have to take. And as you told Caldari, bring a friend. No ships should ever be a solopwnmobile.
Jesus christ you just dont ******* get it do you?
First of all to catch anyone 1v1 blasterboats need the 24km scram. This means we can't fit the shortrange to pin down targets properly. Second of all any dps outside 5km is usually going to be rubbish and the thing that makes blasterboats good are the good damage. If you have to fight at 9km, there's no good damage and then you die. Simple as. Blasterships are solo ships, thats where they work and mostly only there since blaster range is so small and blasterboats aren't fast. If you use them in gang fights chances are you'll be spending your time slowboating from target to target and it has already died when you arrive. This is even worse with the new change where you are even less immobile and more slow and then the longer range (Geddon, raven) get another advantage.
Blasters rule in solo, not much else, if you take this, they're useless.
Also lol@ 90% of 1v1s, that's bullshit, maybe you have a l2p problem?
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Tixxie Lix
Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
Sorry what? I hear blaster ships are great in gangs now, as long as they have support, just like Caldari ships. See? Everything's balanced now. Everyone knows the Caldari's great gang support was the envy of the other races, so now you can too enjoy what it's like to be 'support'.
I LOLed ... they walked into this so nicely Jim ... GOOD JOB !!!
Finaly all the years of hearing Caldari are only good in gangs and fleet and getting used to it, not we get some nice revenge :-) oh God it does taste sweet ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Tixxie Lix
Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
Sorry what? I hear blaster ships are great in gangs now, as long as they have support, just like Caldari ships. See? Everything's balanced now. Everyone knows the Caldari's great gang support was the envy of the other races, so now you can too enjoy what it's like to be 'support'.
I LOLed ... they walked into this so nicely Jim ... GOOD JOB !!!
Finaly all the years of hearing Caldari are only good in gangs and fleet and getting used to it, not we get some nice revenge :-) oh God it does taste sweet ...
Except we dont actually work in gangs.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Hehehe.. this is just sweet. So much Gallente crying who mocked Caldari when Caldari was crying.
Pre balance, gallente was the sure win in 90% of the time (1v1). A MWD made sure the mid range gap was eliminated instantly. Now it doesn't, and that is good.
But to be honest, I don't see the problem with blaster boats. A regular scrambler has 7.5km range, so either the target is already in a good range or the blaster boat has momentum enough to get in close to web the target. Yes, you can cry of 15km faction scramblers, but that is always a risk you have to take. And as you told Caldari, bring a friend. No ships should ever be a solopwnmobile.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Tixxie Lix
Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
Sorry what? I hear blaster ships are great in gangs now, as long as they have support, just like Caldari ships. See? Everything's balanced now. Everyone knows the Caldari's great gang support was the envy of the other races, so now you can too enjoy what it's like to be 'support'.
I LOLed ... they walked into this so nicely Jim ... GOOD JOB !!!
Finaly all the years of hearing Caldari are only good in gangs and fleet and getting used to it, not we get some nice revenge :-) oh God it does taste sweet ...
Except we dont actually work in gangs.
then get used to it ... all you need is a tackler that provides a warp in point for your Megathron ... you'll land a few km from the target ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Tixxie Lix
Originally by: Jim Raynor
That's right, EVE is not a single player game!
It doesn't mean people should be forced into gangs either if they had already been given the choice to solo by CCP if they so choosed.
Sorry what? I hear blaster ships are great in gangs now, as long as they have support, just like Caldari ships. See? Everything's balanced now. Everyone knows the Caldari's great gang support was the envy of the other races, so now you can too enjoy what it's like to be 'support'.
I LOLed ... they walked into this so nicely Jim ... GOOD JOB !!!
Finaly all the years of hearing Caldari are only good in gangs and fleet and getting used to it, not we get some nice revenge :-) oh God it does taste sweet ...
Except we dont actually work in gangs.
then get used to it ... all you need is a tackler that provides a warp in point for your Megathron ... you'll land a few km from the target ...
Why is it that 99% of all Caldari pilots are just obtuse piles of shit?
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 31/07/2008 08:21:15
Despite this being somewhat of a flamebait I'll explain why they don't work well in gangs particularly compared to say Armageddons, Apocs and Ravens.
Typical small gang encounter (I presume you all accept they don't work in big fleet fights...), one gang chances the other through a gate...
...Everyone de-cloaks, everyone is now spread over a 30km sphere and a bubble is dropped. Ravens and pulse boats can lock and fire on the primary targets immediately, Blasterboats now need to haul themselves into range of the primary, or all go off for individual targets Warping out isnÆt an option for most, and even if they did the bubble renders æwarp in pointÆ moot. They have sig radii the size of a dreadnought, and with the changes are barely accelerating to ~800 m/sec...
...Assuming they reach the target and don't get the MWD shut down/webbed by the support or primaried, they are already chewing through the cap charges before even applying damage. And with the recent buffs to medium range weapons, won't do enough to 'catch up' with the pulse laser/torpedo damage...
...Assuming some Blasterboats reach their targets and kill them, they now have to repeat the charge in another direction, but with their capacitor essentially dead and likely huge holes in the armour...
...Meanwhile the gang whose Battleships have literally being doing *lock**fire*...*lock**fire* have already been working their way methodically through the primaries...
So there it is, the Blasterboat's new 'role' in non-solo warfare - a sitting duck. As I said in the other thread, if their traditional solo role is to be removed (does CCP believe that was 'broken'??), then blasters need re-working into useful medium range fleet weapons (this would to an extent apply to Autocannons too).
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El Torrent
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:25:00 -
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Hello,
If I fly a blaster thron, I always have tacklers with me. In fact, I don't even fit a webber, or an scrambler, I fit an sensor booster, and an ECCM instead.
That being said, it is hard enough, even if using NULL L in those neutrons to apply your damage fast on TQ. (Slow acceleration). Now, on sisi, you need 4 times as long to get anywhere close to your target.
While I agree, that Battleships are slow moving heavy beasts, acceleration as it is now on sisi is just silly, and I already see me fitting rails instead of fitting neutrons because of that. --
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:27:00 -
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Nothing mutch to add here, Bellum is absolutly right.
A Blaster Ship is a solopawn Machine within Web Range. People simply don¦t understand that it¦t like this because they suck out of Web Range agianst any kind of Ship and have to catch a Target before it can kill the Target(quite a challange eh?).
There is no bring a Tackler. When did you seen the last Blaster Ship in a 0.0 Roaming Gang? A Blaster Ship is not unstopable, it¦s nowerdays not even funny how mutch you get primary, not by DPS but by the next Falcon around in next to any fight in Low Sec removing your uber ship compleetly from the Fight and this 150km away from you.
If you have a tackler, where is the advantage of the Blaster ship over other ships, that warps in, Lock, F1-F8 etc?
And yes you are compleetly clueless where the Problems with Blaster ships are now with the current changes.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. The Border Patrol
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:29:00 -
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blasters + MWD of old eliminated sniping, now we can hope that there will be more long range less damage setups
right now megathrone is the strongest ship in the game, 5 heavy drones, 7 MEGA blasters... 1300 DPS +; use some right to get better fall-off
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:32:00 -
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This thread truly is golden.
Let's all go back to the "Time to Fix Caldari Ships for PvP" thread.
Quote: Hm, need tacklers? Let fly 10% of your gang a ceptor! That's PvP basics...
See that's all you need right there, EVE is not for solo ok? Well not when you are Caldari ofc.
Quote: You need to make damage on fast ships? Don't use your heavy missile shit all the time! That's good for PvE... Assault Missle Launcer T2 + Standard Precission Missles are awesome (also you have more PG to tank with) => 10 Caracals on a Vaga = Vaga pop
Good advice, only takes 10 Caracals to kill 1 Vagabond, that seems pretty fair to me! All you need is 10 accounts and 3-5 PCs to kill the guy running around in a single Vagabond if you play Caldari, if you want to solo.
Quote: There is one obvious solution to this. A solution that is also much in use. Cross train.
I like this idea, just don't fly Caldari ships!
Quote: The biggest problem with caldari ships is that caldari pilots insist on fitting for solo pvp (and surprisingly often PVE) instead of fitting for gang/fleet pvp.
That's right Caldari ships have problems simply because Caldari players r liek supr dum.
Quote: The most effective ship there is in the whole game is the falcon, which is GUESS WHAT, caldari. In gangs up to five, a single falcon can totally disable the other gang. See, no fleet, a GANG.
It's not the fault of caldari ships that you all fly them as pathetic noobs. Get a damn clue.
FALCON FALCON FALCON FALCON FALCON FALCON
Quote: The thing about caldari is: To fly it solo in pvp, you need uber skills and be extremely specialised. And there ARE a few really good caldari ships: Raven - can fit extreme buffer tank (could be both plated and shield buffered simultanously) and at the same time dish out insane damage Sadly enough, that's the only damage dealer in caldari fleets.
RAVEN RAVEN RAVEN RAVEN RAVEN RAVEN
Quote: you guys can be good at pvp, when i can afk tank a lvl 4 in my myrmidon. Laughing I'm sorry but you just cant have everything.
DAMN STR8
Quote: You caldari peeps are still overlooking the entire issue here- if you look at any normal PvP fleet, it is a mix of different races because EVERY RACE IS NOT GOOD AT EVERYTHING! get ****ing used to it. you need a mix of ships and with different specializations and capabilities (its called combined arms) to effectivly fight. That being said, you can still field effective all caldari fleets if you put a little thought into it. The thing is I am disinclined to listen to anything you whiners mention because all i see in your fleets is mobs of T1 frigates and cruisers... no wonder you dumb shits die when your flying that. It woudnt matter what the gallente pilots flew, when you fly crap ships like that your bound to die every time, especially to organized opponents.
if you guys want some help with your fleets Ill let you in on a sekret
3-4x basalisk + a few drakes + curse/raven with nuet / huginn/rapier = alot of dead nanoships. Use your damn heads, instead of coming onto these forums whining how your ships cant do everything. go cry more muppets.
Yes, stop flying CRAP ships!!
Quote: I'll make this short and simple: SOLO PVP IS FOR LOSERS WHO DON'T HAVE THE FRIENDS TO BRING A FLEET.
See? Don't solo PvP. Just get friends to immobilize and tackle stuff for your blasters and then you will pwn them. I don't see the problem here folks.
Quote: You want a cruiser to fulfil the tackle/gank roles, and criticise the Caracal because it doesn't do that very well. Well, that's not the point of the Caracal, and you need to think of roles beyond DPS and tackle.
Yeah really, don't complain the only decent T1 Caldari cruiser actually isn't very decent at all!
Anyways, yay nano-nerf!! ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Euriti on 31/07/2008 08:34:10
Originally by: Opertone blasters + MWD of old eliminated sniping, now we can hope that there will be more long range less damage setups
right now megathrone is the strongest ship in the game, 5 heavy drones, 7 MEGA blasters... 1300 DPS +; use some right to get better fall-off
It's not the strongest ship in the game.
That is the Armageddon. It's over there --->
It did not need a nerf. It does not deserve a nerf but it got a nerf and now you sad idiots are ****ing on gallente pilots because people who get their skillpoints turned in to something useless are fun to mock.
Sad, it's really sad.
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Alkeena
Gallente Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:33:00 -
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I've spoken on a topic very similar to this at length here .
Bottom line,these changes render blasterships obsolete and all the proposed changes I've seen work towards the homogenization of eve, by essentially turning them into pulse lasers lite. This is a Bad Thing (tm).
If a tackler is required then the BS role is MUCH better filled by a torp raven or pulse geddon for a variety of reasons--a mega or hyp is simply outclassed. Gal, and to a lesser extent matari, have always been the soloing spec of choice and for that we accepted lesser gang capability; now blasterships are essentially role-less and rebalancing them such that they behave essentially like other BS detracts substantially from the game as it homogenizes and simplifies in ways that reduce player choice.
Everyone is free to choose what they wanted--if you wanted to solo effectively you should have trained gal or matari. If you want to focus on gang ability go cal or amarr. You made your choice, dont ruin ours out of spite.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/07/2008 08:37:27 Anyways in all seriousness. Blasters probably could use a tad more range, and the current acceleration mechanics might need tweaked again.
However, I find the whole 'i can't solopwn' thing to be rather amusing, considering how much Caldari people get slammed constantly for their inability to undock and do any sort of PvP without gang support.
Also would be nice if T2 blaster ammo (like most T2 ammo) wasn't complete junk. Where's the revamp on T2 ammo? ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor However, I find the whole 'i can't solopwn' thing to be rather amusing, considering how much Caldari people get slammed constantly for their inability to undock and do any sort of PvP without gang support
Again, this is the only thing we can do with out blasterboats. Caldari have a fundamental problem with their fitting since tank and tackle are in the same slots. This can't efficiently be solved because then caldari would get a way too strong tank if they gave up on the scram spots. Saying: "because I can't have it he can't have it either" is just disgusting and is done out of spite, nothing else.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/07/2008 08:53:02
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Jim Raynor However, I find the whole 'i can't solopwn' thing to be rather amusing, considering how much Caldari people get slammed constantly for their inability to undock and do any sort of PvP without gang support
Again, this is the only thing we can do with out blasterboats. Caldari have a fundamental problem with their fitting since tank and tackle are in the same slots. This can't efficiently be solved because then caldari would get a way too strong tank if they gave up on the scram spots. Saying: "because I can't have it he can't have it either" is just disgusting and is done out of spite, nothing else.
Disgusting? LOL. Too strong shield tank? How long do shield tanks last without faction gear, seriously? Add a MWD on top of that. Who uses active shield tanks in PvP these days? Are MWD fitted Ravens loaded with siege launchers suddenly uber shield tanking too? Setups pls? (I'm Caldari and dumb and I dunno how to properly fit ships for PvP afterall).
Waah waaaahhh I can't solo as well in my gallente solopwn blastermobile, oh noes!! I guess what I'm saying is I don't feel bad for you. However if blaster ships are completely unacceptable under the new game mechanics (in terms of range/flexibility), I see no reason not to boost them, like I said previously.
But please don't come and tell a Caldari player 'i can't solo pvp anymore!' without inciting just a smidgen of anger. :)
P.S. I am currently petitioning Webster to get the word 'support' removed from the English language.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/07/2008 08:53:02
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Jim Raynor However, I find the whole 'i can't solopwn' thing to be rather amusing, considering how much Caldari people get slammed constantly for their inability to undock and do any sort of PvP without gang support
Again, this is the only thing we can do with out blasterboats. Caldari have a fundamental problem with their fitting since tank and tackle are in the same slots. This can't efficiently be solved because then caldari would get a way too strong tank if they gave up on the scram spots. Saying: "because I can't have it he can't have it either" is just disgusting and is done out of spite, nothing else.
Disgusting? LOL. Too strong shield tank? How long do shield tanks last without faction gear, seriously? Add a MWD on top of that. Who uses active shield tanks in PvP these days? Are MWD fitted Ravens loaded with siege launchers suddenly uber shield tanking too? Setups pls? (I'm Caldari and dumb and I dunno how to properly fit ships for PvP afterall).
Waah waaaahhh I can't solo as well in my gallente solopwn blastermobile, oh noes!! I guess what I'm saying is I don't feel bad for you. However if blaster ships are completely unacceptable under the new game mechanics (in terms of range/flexibility), I see no reason not to boost them, like I said previously.
But please don't come and tell a Caldari player 'i can't solo pvp anymore!' without inciting just a smidgen of anger. :)
P.S. I am currently petitioning Webster to get the word 'support' removed from the English language.
It's not a solopwn mobile. Where the hell did you get that from? Anyone with a brain kites a blastership these days and not it's just getting worse by the looks of it.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/07/2008 08:53:02
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Jim Raynor However, I find the whole 'i can't solopwn' thing to be rather amusing, considering how much Caldari people get slammed constantly for their inability to undock and do any sort of PvP without gang support
Again, this is the only thing we can do with out blasterboats. Caldari have a fundamental problem with their fitting since tank and tackle are in the same slots. This can't efficiently be solved because then caldari would get a way too strong tank if they gave up on the scram spots. Saying: "because I can't have it he can't have it either" is just disgusting and is done out of spite, nothing else.
Disgusting? LOL. Too strong shield tank? How long do shield tanks last without faction gear, seriously? Add a MWD on top of that. Who uses active shield tanks in PvP these days? Are MWD fitted Ravens loaded with siege launchers suddenly uber shield tanking too? Setups pls? (I'm Caldari and dumb and I dunno how to properly fit ships for PvP afterall).
Waah waaaahhh I can't solo as well in my gallente solopwn blastermobile, oh noes!! I guess what I'm saying is I don't feel bad for you. However if blaster ships are completely unacceptable under the new game mechanics (in terms of range/flexibility), I see no reason not to boost them, like I said previously.
But please don't come and tell a Caldari player 'i can't solo pvp anymore!' without inciting just a smidgen of anger. :)
P.S. I am currently petitioning Webster to get the word 'support' removed from the English language.
You're just trolling. You would flip out if next patch Falcons could only ECM from inside of 10km. Stop being an ass.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Jim Raynor Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/07/2008 08:53:02
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Jim Raynor However, I find the whole 'i can't solopwn' thing to be rather amusing, considering how much Caldari people get slammed constantly for their inability to undock and do any sort of PvP without gang support
Again, this is the only thing we can do with out blasterboats. Caldari have a fundamental problem with their fitting since tank and tackle are in the same slots. This can't efficiently be solved because then caldari would get a way too strong tank if they gave up on the scram spots. Saying: "because I can't have it he can't have it either" is just disgusting and is done out of spite, nothing else.
Disgusting? LOL. Too strong shield tank? How long do shield tanks last without faction gear, seriously? Add a MWD on top of that. Who uses active shield tanks in PvP these days? Are MWD fitted Ravens loaded with siege launchers suddenly uber shield tanking too? Setups pls? (I'm Caldari and dumb and I dunno how to properly fit ships for PvP afterall).
Waah waaaahhh I can't solo as well in my gallente solopwn blastermobile, oh noes!! I guess what I'm saying is I don't feel bad for you. However if blaster ships are completely unacceptable under the new game mechanics (in terms of range/flexibility), I see no reason not to boost them, like I said previously.
But please don't come and tell a Caldari player 'i can't solo pvp anymore!' without inciting just a smidgen of anger. :)
P.S. I am currently petitioning Webster to get the word 'support' removed from the English language.
You're just trolling. You would flip out if next patch Falcons could only ECM from inside of 10km. Stop being an ass.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Disgusting? LOL. Too strong shield tank? How long do shield tanks last without faction gear, seriously? Add a MWD on top of that. Who uses active shield tanks in PvP these days? Are MWD fitted Ravens loaded with siege launchers suddenly uber shield tanking too? Setups pls? (I'm Caldari and dumb and I dunno how to properly fit ships for PvP afterall).
Waah waaaahhh I can't solo as well in my gallente solopwn blastermobile, oh noes!! I guess what I'm saying is I don't feel bad for you. However if blaster ships are completely unacceptable under the new game mechanics (in terms of range/flexibility), I see no reason not to boost them, like I said previously.
But please don't come and tell a Caldari player 'i can't solo pvp anymore!' without inciting just a smidgen of anger. :)
P.S. I am currently petitioning Webster to get the word 'support' removed from the English language.
Active shild tanks are used in PVP and are fare more effective than active Armor Tanks, Mealstorm and Raven/Rohk are the best tanks out there for small Gang, hands down. You don¦t fit tackling/or simply a Disruptor on this ships. They work very well. A Mealstorm quite easy outtanks a single Blasterthron even fitted for max DPS.
Shield Tanking don¦t sucks, it is simply diffrent and many people failing to see how it works right in combat.
If you would fly a Blaster ship you would know that it is not a I win button, especialy not with low Skills, without T2 Fitting(for real try to fit one without Faction gear, it youst don¦t work) and without Implants(most of the Pilotes in a Mega use Implants affecting her Damage or Tank, next to all have to use a Implant for her CPU) and Rigs.
A good Blaster ship kills targets mostly because of the Skill/Fitting/Implant/Player Skill advantage, not by the ship advantage itself.
By removing the solo ability it removes the Blaster ship from it¦s last role in the Game.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:34:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 31/07/2008 09:34:55
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Jim Raynor Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/07/2008 08:53:02
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Jim Raynor However, I find the whole 'i can't solopwn' thing to be rather amusing, considering how much Caldari people get slammed constantly for their inability to undock and do any sort of PvP without gang support
Again, this is the only thing we can do with out blasterboats. Caldari have a fundamental problem with their fitting since tank and tackle are in the same slots. This can't efficiently be solved because then caldari would get a way too strong tank if they gave up on the scram spots. Saying: "because I can't have it he can't have it either" is just disgusting and is done out of spite, nothing else.
Disgusting? LOL. Too strong shield tank? How long do shield tanks last without faction gear, seriously? Add a MWD on top of that. Who uses active shield tanks in PvP these days? Are MWD fitted Ravens loaded with siege launchers suddenly uber shield tanking too? Setups pls? (I'm Caldari and dumb and I dunno how to properly fit ships for PvP afterall).
Waah waaaahhh I can't solo as well in my gallente solopwn blastermobile, oh noes!! I guess what I'm saying is I don't feel bad for you. However if blaster ships are completely unacceptable under the new game mechanics (in terms of range/flexibility), I see no reason not to boost them, like I said previously.
But please don't come and tell a Caldari player 'i can't solo pvp anymore!' without inciting just a smidgen of anger. :)
P.S. I am currently petitioning Webster to get the word 'support' removed from the English language.
You're just trolling. You would flip out if next patch Falcons could only ECM from inside of 10km. Stop being an ass.
Look ... me and Jim are not idiots. We quite understand what's the issue at hand. It's just that now all those solo PvPers cry their hearts out that they can't solo in a blaster boat, which was the solo king for some time. We were always given the same advice as Caldari - get a gang, you can't solo in Caldari ships, you are gang support race, cross train etc ... so now the tables turned and we are just being sarcastic on all the solo PvP freaks ...
You just need to change your tactics, adapt or die is the main tune in this game since ever.
TBH I do not like the proposed "rebalancing" nerf as it is. There are some fun parts but as a whole it does change too much in not very good directions.
But we can at least have some fun on the whining :-) --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor Disgusting? LOL. Too strong shield tank? How long do shield tanks last without faction gear, seriously? Add a MWD on top of that. Who uses active shield tanks in PvP these days? Are MWD fitted Ravens loaded with siege launchers suddenly uber shield tanking too? Setups pls? (I'm Caldari and dumb and I dunno how to properly fit ships for PvP afterall).
[Raven, Solo Torp w/MWD, 5% CPU implant copy 1] 2*Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Co-Processor II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 X-Large Shield Booster II (without 5% CPU implant this is best named, everything else stays the same) Warp Disruptor II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets 2*Invulnerability Field II (or 1*invu, 1*web, or 1*invu, 1*TD)
6*Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 2*150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Ancillary Current Router I
Berserker TP-900 x2 Hornet EC-300 x1 Vespa EC-600 x2
At maxed skills about 900dps without damage drones, 1040 with launchers overloaded. Tanks 400dps, 600 dps overloaded, 66k EHP. With web and only one invu, 58.6k EHP, 300 dps tank, 420 dps tank overloaded.
For fleet, I'd obviously use passive buffer tank, but the above should be reasonable for solo work. I think I'd prefer dropping the MWD and ACR, replacing them with web and the shield boost cycle time reducing rig, but looks like the MWD version is also ok'ish.
Happy now? -- Gradient forum |
Jallem Sims
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:38:00 -
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shocking at the trolling done by caldari pilots here o_0
so keen to keep the upper hand before the complete overhaul is done.... i am sure it will change a few more times yet as the iron out the issues. Sweet tears will turn to bitter tears that will turn to sweet, the harder you shout the bigger the egg will drop.
i wait patiently for the full changes to be iron out and cleaned up, enjoy reading the problems testers are highlighting to find the best way to play after the nerf bat hs finished in the china shop. Some people should just try to be more constructive to help with the progress and stop sounding like bunch of whining trolls |
PR Hough
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:45:00 -
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Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:48:00 -
[37]
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
funny I only see the blaster pilots complaining ? --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Hehehe.. this is just sweet. So much Gallente crying who mocked Caldari when Caldari was crying.
Pre balance, gallente was the sure win in 90% of the time (1v1). A MWD made sure the mid range gap was eliminated instantly. Now it doesn't, and that is good.
But to be honest, I don't see the problem with blaster boats. A regular scrambler has 7.5km range, so either the target is already in a good range or the blaster boat has momentum enough to get in close to web the target. Yes, you can cry of 15km faction scramblers, but that is always a risk you have to take. And as you told Caldari, bring a friend. No ships should ever be a solopwnmobile.
Jesus christ you just dont ******* get it do you?
First of all to catch anyone 1v1 blasterboats need the 24km scram. This means we can't fit the shortrange to pin down targets properly. Second of all any dps outside 5km is usually going to be rubbish and the thing that makes blasterboats good are the good damage. If you have to fight at 9km, there's no good damage and then you die. Simple as. Blasterships are solo ships, thats where they work and mostly only there since blaster range is so small and blasterboats aren't fast. If you use them in gang fights chances are you'll be spending your time slowboating from target to target and it has already died when you arrive. This is even worse with the new change where you are even less immobile and more slow and then the longer range (Geddon, raven) get another advantage.
Blasters rule in solo, not much else, if you take this, they're useless.
Also lol@ 90% of 1v1s, that's bullshit, maybe you have a l2p problem?
I'm not complaining about your problem, just that you're complain. To quote so many Blaster boat pilots mocking Missile Boat pilots a year ago "Adapt or die." .
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:54:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
funny I only see the blaster pilots complaining ?
You aren't necessarily bitter when you complain, nor do you need to complain to be bitter. -- Gradient forum |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:11:00 -
[40]
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
I see mostly Caldari players laughing.
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WillageGirl
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:14:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
I see mostly Caldari players laughing.
Yeah, they needed a whole new thread to get the attention they wanted
Fighting for Our right to Cloak since 2004 |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:23:00 -
[42]
Originally by: WillageGirl
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
I see mostly Caldari players laughing.
Yeah, they needed a whole new thread to get the attention they wanted
You don't get the irony? For the past 2 years, every blaster boat pilot has bashed any missile user for attempting to get a buff on missile boats to improve them in PvP, or just improve them in general, with the following phrases: 1: Caldari are not solo-pwn-mobiles (Devs say no ship should be a solo-pwn-mobile). 2: learn to play. 3: Get a friend or fleet.
Now that blaster boats have to get a friend and coordinate their efforts with other people (basically saying "We suck at PvP, fix us), missile user just answer with a "Welcome to the club.". It's just to funny.
If blaster boats need a buff after the speed balance, I don't know and I have made no statements on that part. Just that this thread is full of irony and every bash the blaster boat users get from missile user, is well deserved.
If anything, blaster boats should get a boost to damage, so IF they manage to get in close, they still kill.
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WillageGirl
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: WillageGirl
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
I see mostly Caldari players laughing.
Yeah, they needed a whole new thread to get the attention they wanted
You don't get the irony? For the past 2 years, every blaster boat pilot has bashed any missile user for attempting to get a buff on missile boats to improve them in PvP, or just improve them in general, with the following phrases: 1: Caldari are not solo-pwn-mobiles (Devs say no ship should be a solo-pwn-mobile). 2: learn to play. 3: Get a friend or fleet.
Now that blaster boats have to get a friend and coordinate their efforts with other people (basically saying "We suck at PvP, fix us), missile user just answer with a "Welcome to the club.". It's just to funny.
If blaster boats need a buff after the speed balance, I don't know and I have made no statements on that part. Just that this thread is full of irony and every bash the blaster boat users get from missile user, is well deserved.
If anything, blaster boats should get a boost to damage, so IF they manage to get in close, they still kill.
ooh but I do get the irony.
I also get the irony of Caldari pilots needing their own thread in "Game development forum" to tell whole world how mistreated they have been in the past.
So far I havent seen any suggestion for making the game better in this thread, only flame baits and silly arguments about all Gallente pilots deserving a complete game breaking nerf because of few individuals bad karma.
Trust me sir, I get the irony here
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:48:00 -
[44]
Edited by: The Djego on 31/07/2008 10:52:55
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: WillageGirl
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
I see mostly Caldari players laughing.
Yeah, they needed a whole new thread to get the attention they wanted
You don't get the irony? For the past 2 years, every blaster boat pilot has bashed any missile user for attempting to get a buff on missile boats to improve them in PvP, or just improve them in general, with the following phrases: 1: Caldari are not solo-pwn-mobiles (Devs say no ship should be a solo-pwn-mobile). 2: learn to play. 3: Get a friend or fleet.
Now that blaster boats have to get a friend and coordinate their efforts with other people (basically saying "We suck at PvP, fix us), missile user just answer with a "Welcome to the club.". It's just to funny.
If blaster boats need a buff after the speed balance, I don't know and I have made no statements on that part. Just that this thread is full of irony and every bash the blaster boat users get from missile user, is well deserved.
If anything, blaster boats should get a boost to damage, so IF they manage to get in close, they still kill.
I don¦t know where I should start.
In real world PVP Caldari Ships don¦t suck, there Pilotes mostly does. Raven is a Monster in PVP atm, Drake is also quite a powerfull Ship(the noob passive Drake is not the PVP Fitting a good player will use, simpy take a look at Gneznow¦s Vids and metion that Drakes own used by a good player). Also Carcal is quite a good Cruiser, given a good Pilote and I have seen a Kestrel owning 2 Rifters in a row. Caldari Ships are not bad at PVP, it simply only takes a good Pilote that is all.
You get the better Range. You get the better Tank. You get the better EW Options. You get the better Gang Ships. You get more spcialized Ships. You get the better PVE Ships.
All you don¦t get is the better DPS(HAM Drakes and Torp Ravens are quite a good mix of Tank and Gank atm thrust me) and the better solo Ships. Take it or leave it.
All advantages of Blaster ships are her Solo ability(mostly in Low Sec/Empire Wars) and her DPS(it realy isn¦t any real advangage against Abaddon\Gedon\Raven any more if you meet a well skilled and experienced Pilote in this Ships you are simply dead now).
And now lissen closely, if this 2 things don¦t work any more, the Blaster Ship is simply removed from PVP. I skilled 2 years for Blaster Ships, I fit faction, I use Rigs all the time, I use expensive Implants, I tested a lot with Fittings in any way and realy been bound to the Ship in this way. A real Blaster Pilote never ever asks for a Fitting he invents his Fitting at his own by a lot of Testing and PvPing.
And atm there is not a good reason why a T2 Fitted Raven\Gedon\Abaddon\Mealstorm\Phoon with a experienced and skilled PVPer in won¦t kick your ass even with max Skills. Don¦t get me started about what it is like after the changes.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:56:00 -
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You want more range, tracking or both will you be prepaird to take a damage nerf, close range weapons such as blasters give the most dps
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Rosella You want more range, tracking or both will you be prepaird to take a damage nerf, close range weapons such as blasters give the most dps
Pulses have 80% of the damage blasters have while having 3 times the range. Something is not right there if we are to follow your logic. It's hard to see any balanced solution to this that would not screw anyone over and quite frankly I think the best solution to the whole speed rebalancing is to nerf polys and put some kind of speedcap on. This patch breaks more than it fixes.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:35:00 -
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Easy Caldari 'solo pwnmobile':
Highs: 6x Siege II with CN torps Mids: mwd, CN XL Shield booster, T2 heavy cap booster, 2x Invuln2s, 20km point. Lows: 3x BCU2, CPU2, PDU2. Rigs: grid rig, 2x core defence cap safeguard Drones: TP, ECM etc.
Implants: 5% launcher ROF, HG Crystal set.
Results: 998 DPS out to 30km+ w/o drones, no tracking issues, tanks 652 DPS, 46k EHP.
This setup isn't exotic by my standards, and I haven't even included boosters, which I use, or gang bonuses etc.
Besides the lack of a web, which with no tracking issues I don't really consider a problem this setup is far more dangerous than any blaster ship. You can pretty much use the MWD to bump targets if they try to get back to a gate. Otherwise if they keep you webbed and they're not moving either, then you don't have to worry about them trying to escape.
I have to fit faction magstabs to get over 1k gun DPS out of my Hype, and I have to fit faction EANM and large rep to get only 440 DPS tank or so out of it, which is about 40% less than the above raven tank. The above setup would clean my clock if I were to fight it in a Hype. It wouldn't even be close. And as for a Mega? Hell, you could send a Mega Navy Issue set up with faction and Neutrons, not even a regular Mega, and it would *still* lose.
I think you Caldari guys just don't want to sack up and put your ISK where your mouth is.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Darco Karim
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:42:00 -
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Easy Caldari 'solo pwnmobile':
Highs: 6x Siege II with CN torps Mids: mwd, CN XL Shield booster, T2 heavy cap booster, 2x Invuln2s, 20km point. Lows: 3x BCU2, CPU2, PDU2. Rigs: grid rig, 2x core defence cap safeguard Drones: TP, ECM etc.
Implants: 5% launcher ROF, HG Crystal set.
Results: 998 DPS out to 30km+ w/o drones, no tracking issues, tanks 652 DPS, 46k EHP.
This setup isn't exotic by my standards, and I haven't even included boosters, which I use, or gang bonuses etc.
Besides the lack of a web, which with no tracking issues I don't really consider a problem this setup is far more dangerous than any blaster ship. You can pretty much use the MWD to bump targets if they try to get back to a gate. Otherwise if they keep you webbed and they're not moving either, then you don't have to worry about them trying to escape.
I have to fit faction magstabs to get over 1k gun DPS out of my Hype, and I have to fit faction EANM and large rep to get only 440 DPS tank or so out of it, which is about 40% less than the above raven tank. The above setup would clean my clock if I were to fight it in a Hype. It wouldn't even be close. And as for a Mega? Hell, you could send a Mega Navy Issue set up with faction and Neutrons, not even a regular Mega, and it would *still* lose.
I think you Caldari guys just don't want to sack up and put your ISK where your mouth is.
so you need 3 damage mods AND a target painter to get the most from you DPS on those torps. of course you need a web on blaster boats, but that serves double duty, as it keeps targets in range and keeps transversal in a manageable envelope :-)
oh, torps are good for PvP since a few months (and the whining from Megathron pilots was the same when announced), HAMs are actualy not Caldari launchers as many people defending the Sacriledge claim, they are Khanid weapons (no Caldari ship except Drake can field them with any good efficiency). --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Easy Caldari 'solo pwnmobile':
Highs: 6x Siege II with CN torps Mids: mwd, CN XL Shield booster, T2 heavy cap booster, 2x Invuln2s, 20km point. Lows: 3x BCU2, CPU2, PDU2. Rigs: grid rig, 2x core defence cap safeguard Drones: TP, ECM etc.
I know some people using Shild Setups in PVP. Mostly they drop MWD and Point and get agression first/got shot first because many people think they have bad Tanks, if you add 2 Shild Boost Amps(or a TP for more Gank) to the Setup you don¦t need the Crystals and still outtank and outgank many ships. Giving a Tackler/Gang allowes them to not only fit Gank but also a extrem Tank and works well in the favour of this kind of Ships.
In a Gang a Caldari Ship gets in a very good position, a Blaster Ship don¦t because it is still the same(well you can drop Tackling Mods for 2x ECCM ). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:04:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
so you need 3 damage mods AND a target painter to get the most from you DPS on those torps.
Are you really saying here that weapons are more effective if you fit damage mods? While that is quite true, I must be missing something. Please elaborate? -- Gradient forum |
Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:19:00 -
[52]
Its not solo-blaster ships that are getting shafted. Its solo turret-BS that are getting totaly destroyed by this web nerf. I fly shield tanking BS solo with a web and point fit and it works great. After this web nerf I won't be able to kill anything since they will either move in close and get under my guns or they will easily escape from web range. Solo battleship play is getting nerfed into oblivion.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.07.31 13:02:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 31/07/2008 12:50:04
Its not just solo-blaster ships that are getting shafted. Its all solo turret-BS that are getting totaly destroyed by this web nerf. I fly shield tanking BS solo with a web and point fit and it works great. After this web nerf I won't be able to kill anything since they will either move in close and get under my guns or they will easily escape from web range. Solo battleship play is getting nerfed into oblivion.
Pretty much...
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.31 13:03:00 -
[54]
Originally by: The Djego
I don¦t know where I should start.
You should start by reading what you are responding to.
Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
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Alkeena
Gallente Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:29:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: The Djego
I don¦t know where I should start.
You should start by reading what you are responding to.
Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
The thing is, you knew what you were training for when you started your training for cal ships. Their role has been unchanged (I would personally argue dramatically expanded) for years. These changes represent a dramatic role change and reduction for the majority of Gallente ships meaning that we no longer have the role that we trained for for however many years, thus the emonerdrage.
These changes dont represent simply a buff or nerf to be adjusted for, it is a complete reorientation of an entire racial profile; one that I wouldnt have spent the past 3 years training for >.>
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Jim Raynor
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Alkeena
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: The Djego
I don¦t know where I should start.
You should start by reading what you are responding to.
Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
The thing is, you knew what you were training for when you started your training for cal ships. Their role has been unchanged (I would personally argue dramatically expanded) for years. These changes represent a dramatic role change and reduction for the majority of Gallente ships meaning that we no longer have the role that we trained for for however many years, thus the emonerdrage.
These changes dont represent simply a buff or nerf to be adjusted for, it is a complete reorientation of an entire racial profile; one that I wouldnt have spent the past 3 years training for >.>
LOL. That's right kids, you trained Caldari, even folks like myself who started playing this game over 5 years ago, shoulda known that training Caldari was cruise control for SUCK being regulated to a level 4 missions which did not even exist at the time and if you wanted to ROX0RTEHB0X0RZ you needed to train Gallente and any kind of need for a blaster ship to need a tackler or any kind of help what so ever and not solo well means the status quo has been destroyed.
This all really is too funny. Learn to play k? Get friends. Don't fit ur ship like a noob. This is NOT a solo game. Enjoy. ------ I'll make a sig later. |
MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:09:00 -
[57]
Edited by: MenanceWhite on 31/07/2008 15:11:00
Originally by: Jim Raynor if you wanted to ROX0RTEHB0X0RZ you needed to train Gallente
gallente. were. the. FlavorOfTheYear. fa gs. nanos. were. the. FlavorOfTheMonth. fa gs.
both were nerfed
maybe if they whined and took all the "LOL REROLL/RETRAIN/ADAPT" posts from the ones they once replied "LOL REROLL/RETRAIN/ADAPT" to CCP might nerf things so that they become competetive again.
hilarious: [c/d]? ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Alkeena
Gallente Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:09:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Alkeena
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: The Djego
I don¦t know where I should start.
You should start by reading what you are responding to.
Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
The thing is, you knew what you were training for when you started your training for cal ships. Their role has been unchanged (I would personally argue dramatically expanded) for years. These changes represent a dramatic role change and reduction for the majority of Gallente ships meaning that we no longer have the role that we trained for for however many years, thus the emonerdrage.
These changes dont represent simply a buff or nerf to be adjusted for, it is a complete reorientation of an entire racial profile; one that I wouldnt have spent the past 3 years training for >.>
LOL. That's right kids, you trained Caldari, even folks like myself who started playing this game over 5 years ago, shoulda known that training Caldari was cruise control for SUCK being regulated to a level 4 missions which did not even exist at the time and if you wanted to ROX0RTEHB0X0RZ you needed to train Gallente and any kind of need for a blaster ship to need a tackler or any kind of help what so ever and not solo well means the status quo has been destroyed.
This all really is too funny. Learn to play k? Get friends. Don't fit ur ship like a noob. This is NOT a solo game. Enjoy.
It was and presently still is possible to play solo on TQ, if you choose it to be. You're quite right that with these changes that's no longer possible. Explain to me how removing solo play improves the game? The proposed changes have their benefits for tactical flight as well as inter-shipclass balance which is why they are being reviewed for changes that allow for both solo play and the proposed changes to coexist, rather than simply forgetting the whole ordeal.
Also you assume quite a lot--old forum ***** status doesn't mean you know what you're talking about with regards to either balance or my personal experience. Stop trolling and explain to me exactly how eve is bettered by the removal of solo play as anything resembling a viable option.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:14:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Alkeena
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: The Djego
I don¦t know where I should start.
You should start by reading what you are responding to.
Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
The thing is, you knew what you were training for when you started your training for cal ships. Their role has been unchanged (I would personally argue dramatically expanded) for years. These changes represent a dramatic role change and reduction for the majority of Gallente ships meaning that we no longer have the role that we trained for for however many years, thus the emonerdrage.
These changes dont represent simply a buff or nerf to be adjusted for, it is a complete reorientation of an entire racial profile; one that I wouldnt have spent the past 3 years training for >.>
You know, there were once a Armageddon that melted 1 Tempest, 1 Muninn and a Cyclone with 50% armor left. Then CCP nerfed damage mod with a stacking nerf and the Armageddon died followed by a couple of years of general downfall. Now we went up again a bit.
Minmatarr whined when the Geddon was king, Amarr whined when they were the underdogs, Caldari whined when they were lacking an oomph and now it's time for Gallente. Yes you have trained for a ship that has changed. So has so many before you and they have learned to adapt to their new ship, trained something else (only to have it nerfed when they could fly it), lived with it or quit.
So, all in all, it's time for the Gallente players to "adapt or die".
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:16:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Alkeena how eve is bettered by the removal of solo play
I am amarr. I fly:
rifter/punisher/geddeon/arbitrator.
I can solo, perhaps you should retrain amarr.
Also, I am full of bitterness for all the LOL AMARR IS FINE from random people who did'nt play amarr on the boost amarr threads. I'm going to say LOL GALLENTE IS FINE now. Even if I don't fly blasterboats. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:18:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Alkeena Stop trolling and explain to me exactly how eve is bettered by the removal of solo play as anything resembling a viable option.
Please point me to the part of the patch that says "You can't undock unless you are in a fleet and stay in the fleet.".
Your solo play style might have taken a hit, but solo play is not dead. You just have to.... dare i say it??
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Alkeena
Gallente Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:19:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Alkeena on 31/07/2008 15:20:32
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Alkeena
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: The Djego
I don¦t know where I should start.
You should start by reading what you are responding to.
Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
The thing is, you knew what you were training for when you started your training for cal ships. Their role has been unchanged (I would personally argue dramatically expanded) for years. These changes represent a dramatic role change and reduction for the majority of Gallente ships meaning that we no longer have the role that we trained for for however many years, thus the emonerdrage.
These changes dont represent simply a buff or nerf to be adjusted for, it is a complete reorientation of an entire racial profile; one that I wouldnt have spent the past 3 years training for >.>
You know, there were once a Armageddon that melted 1 Tempest, 1 Muninn and a Cyclone with 50% armor left. Then CCP nerfed damage mod with a stacking nerf and the Armageddon died followed by a couple of years of general downfall. Now we went up again a bit.
Minmatarr whined when the Geddon was king, Amarr whined when they were the underdogs, Caldari whined when they were lacking an oomph and now it's time for Gallente. Yes you have trained for a ship that has changed. So has so many before you and they have learned to adapt to their new ship, trained something else (only to have it nerfed when they could fly it), lived with it or quit.
So, all in all, it's time for the Gallente players to "adapt or die".
The 8-HS geddon was clearly unbalanced; What's the unbalance inherent in blasterships? All of their advantages are accounted for by significant disadvantages--even their vaunted solo capability is balanced by their terrible gang performance relative to other ships. This isn't a matter of rebalancing as indicated by your examples but rather a complete role shift that consists entirely nerfing any and all advantages blasterships had; leaving only disadvantages. You honestly consider this balanced?
Edit: I fail at quoting
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Alkeena
Gallente Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:24:00 -
[63]
Originally by: MenanceWhite
Also, I am full of bitterness for all the LOL AMARR IS FINE from random people who did'nt play amarr on the boost amarr threads. I'm going to say LOL GALLENTE IS FINE now. Even if I don't fly blasterboats.
At least you're honest in your prejudice. Step back for a moment and realize that perhaps you're just as wrong now as the 'amarr is fine' brigade was then, and then ask yourself why you're being so spiteful and thick?
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:30:00 -
[64]
maybe some people like to kill 4-5 man gangs by themselves. and you are saying they arent allowed to moan about not being able to solo anymore because they should get a tackler or scout? bit of a paradox because if they got a friends then it wouldnt be solo pvp.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:57:00 -
[65]
Edited by: MenanceWhite on 31/07/2008 16:04:19
Originally by: Alkeena What's the unbalance inherent in blasterships?
Unbalance? It just depends on what perspective things are seen from.
Back in time, we could just say that gallente had alot of "competetive" ships that were "good" and that amarr and caldari had alot of "sub par" ships. Compare characal/moa , omen/maller to vexor/thorax forexample. OR we could just say that caldari and amarrs ships were competetive and that gallentes ships were overpowered.
It just happens to be so that gallente has been the faction with least shitty/sub-par ships over a very VEERRYYY long time.
You can always fit rails, ohho
It's also a hybrid weapon
Or you could train amarr cruiser and try to fly a multifreq pulse maller, which did'nt get any particular boost, and according to you is completely on-par with your thorax. I mean, its also short range big damage armor tanking thing right? ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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FlameGlow
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:02:00 -
[66]
Universal nerf-whine reply post:
Quote:
Please select appropriate answers for current nerf with x and fill <> tags accordig to topic: []Learn 2 play []Adapt or die []Get a tackler []<Insert nerfed stuff> is fine []But you still get to use <something else> []This is not supposed to be solopwnmobile []Your tears are so sweet []Point to <previous nerfs> []Serves you right for training FOTY/M/D []But you still can run missions with it []Cross-train <other race> []Quit and contract your stuff to me
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:14:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
You should start by reading what you are responding to.
Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
My sense of humor got hit very hard by the nerf bat to, so excuse me but i don¦t think this is funny in every way. Im not the FOTM Player, if so I would have used a Nano Ship(that i did to some extend, but its not my type of ship in general) and cry about the Nano Nerf now. I skilled and use Blaster ships because this is my style of PVP, and no in the last 2 years any Blastership was fare away from beeing overpowert, but constantly got hit with every patch in a crippling way. Most of the People that skilled in Gallente for pure awsomeness allready switched to Mini or Amarr by now.
All People I know that still fly Blaster ships dooing it because it is here style of PVP in general. A Blastership in the Moment we speek is yust a shadow of it¦s overhyped glory(that was more created by expensive Setups, high Skills and experienced PVP people), that was never realy there as long as i fly them.
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Alkeena
The thing is, you knew what you were training for when you started your training for cal ships. Their role has been unchanged (I would personally argue dramatically expanded) for years. These changes represent a dramatic role change and reduction for the majority of Gallente ships meaning that we no longer have the role that we trained for for however many years, thus the emonerdrage.
These changes dont represent simply a buff or nerf to be adjusted for, it is a complete reorientation of an entire racial profile; one that I wouldnt have spent the past 3 years training for >.>
LOL. That's right kids, you trained Caldari, even folks like myself who started playing this game over 5 years ago, shoulda known that training Caldari was cruise control for SUCK being regulated to a level 4 missions which did not even exist at the time and if you wanted to ROX0RTEHB0X0RZ you needed to train Gallente and any kind of need for a blaster ship to need a tackler or any kind of help what so ever and not solo well means the status quo has been destroyed.
This all really is too funny. Learn to play k? Get friends. Don't fit ur ship like a noob. This is NOT a solo game. Enjoy.
Do you actualy understand that Low Sec PVP is compleetly diffrent from 0.0 PVP? Can you imagine people like to Fight without 10 Gang members, yust you and your ship aginst one or mutliple Targets solo, because this is her style to do PVP in EvE(and actualy her style to die in Eve to)?
Status qou destroyed? Are you back in 2006 or so? You look like you missed about 2 years of Patches to me. Blaster Ships are allready on the edge of her usibility right now and only in the heads of some people that got shoot once by one, still overpowert. Flying a Blaster Ship now is like flying a Amarr Ship in 2006, but so many People fail to realise it because it allways looks greener on the other side. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Vengal Seyhan
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:45:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Vengal Seyhan on 31/07/2008 16:45:41
Originally by: FlameGlow Universal nerf-whine reply post:
Quote:
Please select appropriate answers for current nerf with x and fill <> tags accordig to topic: []Learn 2 play []Adapt or die []Get a tackler []<Insert nerfed stuff> is fine []But you still get to use <something else> []This is not supposed to be solopwnmobile []Your tears are so sweet []Point to <previous nerfs> []Serves you right for training FOTY/M/D []But you still can run missions with it []Cross-train <other race> []Quit and contract your stuff to me
LOL, that's Gold! It's going in my character's bio.
Sad thing is that a few of the pro-Caldari posters in here are pretty much quoting from that guidebook, so to speak.... And they started the thread; they're not responding to other people's complaining.
Outright flamebait, really... Sad to see it in the Game Development Forum, which is theoretically where the more mature players come to discuss how the game should develop.
To most of you : Grow the hell up! Delighting in someone else's misfortune or circumstance and teasing them about it is horrible, whether it's a game or real life. You are pretty well equivalent to primary school kids calling names because the fat kid has to wear glasses.
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Vision Threads
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Posted - 2008.07.31 16:56:00 -
[69]
What's the big deal? You can still solo PVP. Just buy a second account and duel-box like everyone else who is serious about the game.
That's why CCP periodically offers "Power of Two". You're supposed to run multiple accounts to play this game.
-Miner and hauler -Ratter/mission runner and salvager -Capital ship and cyno alt -Producer and newbcorp freighter/marketer (to avoid wardecs) -PVPer and scout/tackler
Power of Two. Next time the offer comes up, take advantage of it. It's the way the game is designed to be played.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:01:00 -
[70]
Originally by: MenanceWhite
Or you could train amarr cruiser and try to fly a multifreq pulse maller, which did'nt get any particular boost, but should be about on-par with your thorax. I mean, its also short range big damage armor tanking thing right?
It doesnt take that long to train amarr cruiser and medium energy guns. If you start now you'll have your shiny multifreq pulse maller ready to kick same amount of ass solo as your thorax did before. Right after the patch too.
Hehe didn¦t i hadet you over my Maller of doom fitting today?
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 17:53:00 -
[71]
Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: MenanceWhite
Or you could train amarr cruiser and try to fly a multifreq pulse maller, which did'nt get any particular boost, but should be about on-par with your thorax. I mean, its also short range big damage armor tanking thing right?
It doesnt take that long to train amarr cruiser and medium energy guns. If you start now you'll have your shiny multifreq pulse maller ready to kick same amount of ass solo as your thorax did before. Right after the patch too.
Hehe didn¦t i hadet you over my Maller of doom fitting today?
It's hardcore, maller is invincible because noone will bother to target it. Noone flies it nowadays I mean, my thread - 130+ views and only you replying. At least people are smart enough to not reply at something they don't know/don't fly - but it also proves that noone flies it.
This thread is just 120% troll either ways.
People should keep in mind that the stuff in the patch has'nt been added into TQ yet and may be subjected to changes before it's inplemented.
Best thing blasterboat users can do I to make thread with feedback about it, just like how minmatar people are making threads with feedback. Some might have noticed that the mwd delay thing just also screwed over minnie ships, which both of turret systems requires them to be able to dictate range - something that is done by "bursting" the MWD. Which is now broken too.
There's treads of both now, keep posting in those - and maybe somehow get a dev to reply in them which proves that the devs actually has read the thread unlike some balance devs claiming to often "read" ships and modules. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Tixxie Lix
Outer Heaven
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: WillageGirl
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: PR Hough Look at all the bitter Caldari players in here
I see mostly Caldari players laughing.
Yeah, they needed a whole new thread to get the attention they wanted
You don't get the irony? For the past 2 years, every blaster boat pilot has bashed any missile user for attempting to get a buff on missile boats to improve them in PvP, or just improve them in general, with the following phrases...
Caldari pilot here.
You're just assuming EVERY (don't use absolutes) pilot has been bashing missiles. Until you can give me the names of every blaster pilot who has mocked missile users then stfu.
I dare you to take a look at module slots and ship bonuses. Gallente and Minmatar are much better at solo combat than Amarr and Caldari. It is the way the devs FUNDAMENTALLY made the races. If they intended Caldari to have the same solo abilities as Gallente they wouldn't have put their tank/gank mods in the same slots.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:17:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Tixxie Lix I dare you to take a look at module slots and ship bonuses. Gallente and Minmatar are much better at solo combat than Amarr and Caldari. It is the way the devs FUNDAMENTALLY made the races. If they intended Caldari to have the same solo abilities as Gallente they wouldn't have put their tank/gank mods in the same slots.
Of course, you could'nt have any idea at that caldari ships were supreme shit edition aka subpar AT THE ROLES THEY WERE GIVEN, well some of them did'nt have any "role" at all. You know why? Because that was before 2007, I guess you're simply not eve oldbie enough. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Tixxie Lix
Outer Heaven
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:38:00 -
[74]
Originally by: MenanceWhite
Originally by: Tixxie Lix I dare you to take a look at module slots and ship bonuses. Gallente and Minmatar are much better at solo combat than Amarr and Caldari. It is the way the devs FUNDAMENTALLY made the races. If they intended Caldari to have the same solo abilities as Gallente they wouldn't have put their tank/gank mods in the same slots.
Of course, you could'nt have any idea at that caldari ships were supreme shit edition aka subpar AT THE ROLES THEY WERE GIVEN, well some of them did'nt have any "role" at all. You know why? Because that was before 2007, I guess you're simply not eve oldbie enough.
If you plan on playing the oldbie game then I suggest you post with a character that wasn't made 2007.12.06, don't you agree?
Hell, even this character is older than the one you're posting with, and don't worry, I've been playing since the end of 2005, so I'm not some newb that doesn't know what he's talking about.
Yes, some ships didn't really have any defining roles and were simply put out there (AF ring a bell?) but Caldari ships have a tactical niche that they fill. All the different race ships have a different niche, but because EVE has been homogenized over the years it has led to problems with trying to bring each race/ship class in line.
However, you can't expect something that has been designed like a Raven to be able to solo as well as something like a Megathron can overall. It wasn't the way they were designed. The problem with EVE is there's no clear definition of "tanker, healer, nuker, dps, etc." compared to your conventional MMO. This does not mean that in the original design of the game the devs didn't have some sort of definition of what each ship class is and the benefits of one race over the other, it is just a little less apparent and with modules the line begins to blur.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.31 21:15:00 -
[75]
this thread is soo full of lulz, it ****ing delievers!
I love the 6 month old chars that are apparenrtly pvp gods, having flown only one race of ship. But i mean c'mon they must know everything right? they got EFT and all
i love getting advice on how to fly my favorite ship, from peeps, whom with every comment, make it blatantly obvious they have never flown a close range combat ship.
Maybe for all this ****ery, they should bring back the old true bonus of gallente ships, The drone swarm, Where even a humble thorax could drop a swarm of 10 drones on your ***** asses. oh the good ol days.
Props to the peeps who actually 'get' this game, pvp, and balance.
Hopefully we can atleast enjoy this game for a few more months, until all the bastard step children of WOW, and the random ones who just dont 'get' it vanillify and destroy everything that made this game so great and unique.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 21:41:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
But to be honest, I don't see the problem with blaster boats. A regular scrambler has 7.5km range, so either the target is already in a good range or the blaster boat has momentum enough to get in close to web the target.
Try flying a blasterboat. 7.5km is hardly "good range" especially with weak webs(which also make tracking a problem), and on anything smaller than a BS the problem is huge.
But that is just the problem with blasterboats, this idiotic patch screws over *any* ship that needs a MWD, whether it ever uses speed rigs/mods or not.
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Malena Panic
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.31 21:58:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Malena Panic on 31/07/2008 21:58:45
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
Wow, this is starting to get tiresome. Caldari pilots who have *****ed over the years have been told to L2P because while they were whining, *skilled* PvPers were out there tearing it up in Caldari ships, solo and in gang. In other words, it wasn't the ships, it was the pilots.
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Gar Ddhen
Gallente North Yorkshire Trading
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Posted - 2008.07.31 22:46:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Gar Ddhen on 31/07/2008 22:54:45 I fly both Gallente and Caldari... so a comparison between Raven and Mega.
Raven fit: 6 Seige II 2 LSE II, 1 photon scattering II, 2 Invuln II, MWD DCU II, 3 BCU II and gravimetric backup array Rigs: 1 Thermal resist and 2 Shield extender rigs.
Maximum possible (for purposes of comparison only) DPS: 910 with Dread Gurista Torps, damage types fully interchangeable between all 4 types. With combat drones rises to 1120 DPS 119.8K EHP, (uniform distribution) 1432 m/s full burn
Mega Fit: 7 Neutron II Point, Web, Cap booster, MWD 2 1600 plate, 3 magstab, 2 EANM II 3 Trimarks
Max possible DPS:948 with Dread guristas Antimatter, 1265 with combat drones 92.4K EHP (uniform distribution) 1280 m/s on full burn
Raven is faster and actually less cumbersome than a plated Mega, so can easily kite it. DPS of the Raven is lower, BUT it can exploit that explosive hole which actually increases its EFFECTIVE DPS, not something the Mega can do in return. Raven does have a far larger sig rad, but thats not really much use to the mega pilot if he is slower thus cant close to use those blasters.
The only thing a gank raven fit like that CANT do is tackle, if it could... then it WOULD be a solo pwn machine. And that, is pre nerf, not post....
Oh, its not good at killing smaller targets, but cant have everything I suppose. Point is, if raven pilots used a little creativity then a beast of a gank setup is certainly acheivable, the one I used is designed specifically to mimic a typical gankathron setup and illustrate how a megathron is a long way from being the solo powerhouse many people who have never flown one seem to think it is. Other BS out there can do almost the same damage, mount better buffers, and have 2 - 3 times the range of the mega.
EDIT: There are capable Raven pilots out there who do show what those ships are capable of in PvP, there are also a LOT of folk here who have obviously never flown a blaster ship, so have absolutely no idea of how they work, their pro's, and their cons.
At least fly the ships you are bashing before commenting on them, and fly a style of PvP before making statements about how it works.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.01 02:47:00 -
[79]
What needs fixed is your English.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.08.01 06:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Tixxie Lix
You're just assuming EVERY (don't use absolutes) pilot has been bashing missiles. Until you can give me the names of every blaster pilot who has mocked missile users then stfu.
What will you do with those names? What authority or power will you exercise over them?
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:23:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Malena Panic Edited by: Malena Panic on 31/07/2008 21:58:45
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Blaster boats have told every missile user to L2P with what they got. Now the missile users are telling you blaster pilots to L2P with what you got. Still hilarious
Wow, this is starting to get tiresome. Caldari pilots who have *****ed over the years have been told to L2P because while they were whining, *skilled* PvPers were out there tearing it up in Caldari ships, solo and in gang. In other words, it wasn't the ships, it was the pilots.
I'm all for L2P. So how, my guru, should blaster pilots play?
FYI I remembered something like "adapt or die", by "adapt" they meant "adapt" such as "respec for gallente/minmatar". Just as much as I can tell people to "adapt or die" and by "adapt" I mean |
Leyvan
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:25:00 -
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to "respec for caldari/amarr". And FYI this is my first char that I quit playing because people told me to REROLL GALLENTE/MATAR LOL. Back when ships did'nt have gazzilions of hp.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:34:00 -
[83]
Those who never flew a blaster boat shouldn't comment on them, imho.
I have used a blaster astarte and blaster deimos in small-gang warfare. Because I have, I know that for anything not solo-pvp, you're better off using railguns. because with blasters you spend 75% of your time MWDing toward targets and 25% actually firing.
OP, stop using eft and theorycraft, get some practical experience before you open your mouth again, thanks. ------------------------------------------
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:38:00 -
[84]
Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 07:38:08
Originally by: Shadowsword you're better off using railguns.
Originally by: MenanceWhite You can always fit rails, ohho
It's also a hybrid weapon
Well well, what did'nt I post? Fit Rails and act as support in gangs.
There's your new role, now adapt or die b l a s t e r f a g s . ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Helfix
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:38:00 -
[85]
Get a bunch of tacklers... thats what we caldari always do.
if that don't work you can always Cross Train into Caldari
Rite my Caldari brosf?
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:13:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Dzajic on 01/08/2008 08:16:34 Holy crap. Please, anyone, show me one single "Blasterboats are Iwin buttons" thread in GD or Ships and Modules, or a single line in devblog talking about need to balance blasterships.
And tacklers dont help unless you can warp on them right on top of the target. IF you are 30km from a tackled Raven or Geddon or Apoc, you would still need to travel all ther distance taking damage all the way. If you have null you can start doing some DPS from 15km, but then you have to reload to AM eventually. Else you are just approaching and taking damage until you get to 10km. And to do the real "omg blasters have best DPS of any weapon" you need to get to 4km.
Ever since the torp "nerf", Raven was a very very good ship for anything other than pure solo PVP or fleets. Rokh is amongst top fleet BSes. Only thing that was actual used and you lacked was a real and good nano HAC.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen Maybe for all this ****ery, they should bring back the old true bonus of gallente ships, The drone swarm, Where even a humble thorax could drop a swarm of 10 drones on your ***** asses. oh the good ol days.
10 drones did the same dmg as 5 do now
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:39:00 -
[88]
Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 08:40:28 Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 08:39:58
Originally by: Dzajic Edited by: Dzajic on 01/08/2008 08:16:34 Holy crap. Please, anyone, show me one single "Blasterboats are Iwin buttons" thread in GD or Ships and Modules, or a single line in devblog talking about need to balance blasterships.
Does it say anywhere that blasterboats are Iwin buttons? Can you see any posts about blasterships being Iwin buttons? Do you know why it does'nt say that blasterships are Iwin buttons? Because noone posted shit about blasterships being Iwin buttons.
If you actually read the thread, you'd realise that our bitter logic is simply: every other faction has had their ships are shitty and sub par period. Now it's just gallentes turn to feel how it is with most shitty subpar ships.
-> Railguns, gang support there's your new role, adapt or die just like how I've chosen to adapt instead of die when I went tru this shit and had to scrap my torpraven and later my oldstyle blaster deimos chars.
****ing hypocrites. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:42:00 -
[89]
Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 08:40:28 Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 08:39:58
Originally by: Dzajic Edited by: Dzajic on 01/08/2008 08:16:34 Holy crap. Please, anyone, show me one single "Blasterboats are Iwin buttons" thread in GD or Ships and Modules, or a single line in devblog talking about need to balance blasterships.
Does it say anywhere that blasterboats are Iwin buttons? Can you see any posts about blasterships being Iwin buttons? Do you know why it does'nt say that blasterships are Iwin buttons? Because noone posted shit about blasterships being Iwin buttons.
If you actually read the thread, you'd realise that our bitter logic is simply: every other faction has had their ships are shitty and sub par period. Now it's just gallentes turn to feel how it is with most shitty subpar ships.
-> Railguns, gang support there's your new role, adapt or die just like how I've chosen to adapt instead of die when I went tru this shit and had to scrap my torpraven and later my oldstyle blaster deimos chars.
****ing hypocrites.
this :) the other faction are not fault that your ships engineers and scientists were lazy =P
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WillageGirl
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:39:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 08:40:28 Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 08:39:58
Originally by: Dzajic Edited by: Dzajic on 01/08/2008 08:16:34 Holy crap. Please, anyone, show me one single "Blasterboats are Iwin buttons" thread in GD or Ships and Modules, or a single line in devblog talking about need to balance blasterships.
Does it say anywhere that blasterboats are Iwin buttons? Can you see any posts about blasterships being Iwin buttons? Do you know why it does'nt say that blasterships are Iwin buttons? Because noone posted shit about blasterships being Iwin buttons.
If you actually read the thread, you'd realise that our bitter logic is simply: every other faction has had their ships are shitty and sub par period. Now it's just gallentes turn to feel how it is with most shitty subpar ships.
-> Railguns, gang support there's your new role, adapt or die just like how I've chosen to adapt instead of die when I went tru this shit and had to scrap my torpraven and later my oldstyle blaster deimos chars.
****ing hypocrites.
this :) the other faction are not fault that your ships engineers and scientists were lazy =P
Yes ... lets all play Caldari online since some nooblets cant imagine any other ways to play it.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:48:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Euriti on 01/08/2008 09:53:38 Edited by: Euriti on 01/08/2008 09:50:07
Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 07:38:08
Originally by: Shadowsword you're better off using railguns.
Originally by: MenanceWhite You can always fit rails, ohho
It's also a hybrid weapon
Well well, what did'nt I post? Fit Rails and act as support in gangs.
There's your new role, now adapt or die b l a s t e r f a g s .
Yeah we should fit low tracking low dps long range weapons while everyone else fits short range while you take our niche away.
What about just giving us our niche back and leave it as before because it's obviously more balanced.
Also lolfitting issues, megathron can just squeeze on some neutrons now, lacks cpu, with rails, not gonna happen, I still lack some cpu even with using ANP II, faint warp prohib, named web, iffa etc.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 10:03:14 No. I had to make new chars to respec when i got into the same situation. Why should you get away with it?
Originally by: WillageGirl Yes ... lets all play Caldari online since some nooblets cant imagine any other ways to play it.
Actually, this topic is just about whinning gallentes. Amarr is looking very promising: All BS usefull, harb is good, HACs are still awesome even if you don't nano them, curse can use TD to replace nano and missiles are getting looked over to not become "overpowered", Revelation is de sexT, awesome interceptors too.
And look what faction I am WELL CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE: AMARR , which I started training skills for instead of my gallente char abit ago. You know what this is called ? Well you just guessed it: A D A P T I N G, damm straight. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 10:03:14 No. I had to make new chars to respec when i got into the same situation. Why should you get away with it?
Originally by: WillageGirl Yes ... lets all play Caldari online since some nooblets cant imagine any other ways to play it.
Actually, this topic is just about whinning gallentes. Amarr is looking very promising: All BS usefull, harb is good, HACs are still awesome even if you don't nano them, curse can use TD to replace nano and missiles are getting looked over to not become "overpowered", Revelation is de sexT, awesome interceptors too.
And look what faction I am WELL CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE: AMARR , which I started training skills for instead of my gallente char abit ago. You know what this is called ? Well you just guessed it: A D A P T I N G, damm straight.
How can we adapt? Blasters don't work for solo with this, they don't work for gangs with this, you are suggesting using RAILGUNS which have so high cpu it's not even funny. Couple this with already existing fitting problems and what do you have?
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:13:00 -
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I'm telling to make an Amarr/caldari char. How dense can you be? ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Euriti on 01/08/2008 10:22:42
Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 10:17:47 I'm telling to make an Amarr/caldari char. How dense can you be?
Originally by: MenanceWhite FYI I remembered something like "adapt or die", by "adapt" they meant "adapt" such as "respec for gallente/minmatar". Just as much as I can tell people to "adapt or die" and by "adapt" I mean to "respec for caldari/amarr".
Originally by: MenanceWhite Or you could train amarr cruiser and try to fly a multifreq pulse maller, which did'nt get any particular boost, but should be about on-par with your thorax. I mean, its also short range big damage armor tanking thing right?
are you even reading the posts?
Just because someone ****ed in your cereals once doesn't give you the right to **** all over other people. Seriously, dropping 10s of millions of skillpoints because you think that's how you adapt (over half a year of training to be viable again, again, are you even thinking?). In return CCP could fix this broken "rebalancing act" to make blasters viable again at what they do, soloing.
On the maller issue, the maller has fundemental problems. One being that it lacks drones and second being that it lacks a damage bonus. Give it that and It'll be much better.
Also lol @ "go make amarr/caldari char". Okay I'll see you in a year when balance has changed and then i'm in the same position. Are you THAT thick? Not everyone has several accounts, so just shaft those that haven't ?
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:26:00 -
[96]
My characters are on the same account. My caldari char was "shafted" for the gallente char which was "shafted" for the amarr char. Think I have it any better? ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:27:00 -
[97]
Originally by: MenanceWhite My characters are on the same account. My caldari char was "shafted" for the gallente char which was "shafted" for the amarr char. Think I have it any better?
Again, blame this on CCP and not us. Just because someone once ****ed on you doesn't mean that in the opposite situation you can **** on others. It's really disgusting.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:29:00 -
[98]
Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 10:32:10 Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 10:30:52
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: MenanceWhite My characters are on the same account. My caldari char was "shafted" for the gallente char which was "shafted" for the amarr char. Think I have it any better?
Again, blame this on CCP and not us. Just because someone once ****ed on you doesn't mean that in the opposite situation you can **** on others. It's really disgusting.
You are posting in a troll topic. Do I seem like a DEV? do you think that the DEVs are paying any attention to this topic?
Do you think that any person would pay attention to this topic that it is now? Do you think that the stuff in the devblog really will end as patchnotes?
ATM your replies are just providing me personal entertainment because I'm at job, all people have taken vecation and I don't have any job to do - I'm just there to earn my salary since its given dependent on how many hours you're at work. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:32:00 -
[99]
Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 10:30:52
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: MenanceWhite My characters are on the same account. My caldari char was "shafted" for the gallente char which was "shafted" for the amarr char. Think I have it any better?
Again, blame this on CCP and not us. Just because someone once ****ed on you doesn't mean that in the opposite situation you can **** on others. It's really disgusting.
You are posting in a troll topic. Do I seem like a DEV? do you think that the DEVs are paying any attention to this topic?
Do you think that any person would pay attention to this topic that it is now? Do you think that the stuff in the devblog really will end as patchnotes?
They will read it.
Most of it will go through.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:34:00 -
[100]
I don't think that they're that dumb, well considering the "bummers" before they might as well as be
maybe I should'nt make fun of devs before they nerf just me ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:12:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: MenanceWhite My characters are on the same account. My caldari char was "shafted" for the gallente char which was "shafted" for the amarr char. Think I have it any better?
Again, blame this on CCP and not us. Just because someone once ****ed on you doesn't mean that in the opposite situation you can **** on others. It's really disgusting.
So it's ok to be the first to do the bashing but not to "return" the favor? (That is how your wording sounds to me). I do expect to see you in every "The nerf bat hit me to hard" thread, where someone is bashing the OP. And why havn't I seen you in the Caldari threads advocating the disgust of their behaviour?
Yes, bashing is disgusting, name calling is disgusting, slanter is disgusting. But it's what I see the most on these forums. Many people don't have a good counter argument, so they turn to attacking the poster instead. It's cheap and easy.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:19:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: MenanceWhite My characters are on the same account. My caldari char was "shafted" for the gallente char which was "shafted" for the amarr char. Think I have it any better?
Again, blame this on CCP and not us. Just because someone once ****ed on you doesn't mean that in the opposite situation you can **** on others. It's really disgusting.
So it's ok to be the first to do the bashing but not to "return" the favor? (That is how your wording sounds to me). I do expect to see you in every "The nerf bat hit me to hard" thread, where someone is bashing the OP. And why havn't I seen you in the Caldari threads advocating the disgust of their behaviour?
Yes, bashing is disgusting, name calling is disgusting, slanter is disgusting. But it's what I see the most on these forums. Many people don't have a good counter argument, so they turn to attacking the poster instead. It's cheap and easy.
so because a few idiots bashed you once the whole gallente blasterboat population gets "ADAPT LOL" thrown in our face?
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WillageGirl
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.08.01 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: WillageGirl on 01/08/2008 11:34:42
Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 01/08/2008 10:03:14 No. I had to make new chars to respec when i got into the same situation. Why should you get away with it?
Originally by: WillageGirl Yes ... lets all play Caldari online since some nooblets cant imagine any other ways to play it.
Actually, this topic is just about whinning gallentes. Amarr is looking very promising: All BS usefull, harb is good, HACs are still awesome even if you don't nano them, curse can use TD to replace nano and missiles are getting looked over to not become "overpowered", Revelation is de sexT, awesome interceptors too.
And look what faction I am WELL CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE: AMARR , which I started training skills for instead of my gallente char abit ago. You know what this is called ? Well you just guessed it: A D A P T I N G, damm straight.
Im really sorry to hear that EvE has been so hard for you to play. Im sure making new characters to combat changes must have been frustrating and all...
But are you really suggesting that everyone else should suffer because you didnt have enough brain to continue training your orginal character and divided your SP to many instead? How is it everyone elses fault that you made stupid decissions which have made your gaming experience so intolerable that you need to ease your pain by trying to ruin the game for others?
Not trying to attack your personally here, Im sure you're not only person who feels like you do. Just saying that everyone else shouldnt suffer just because YOU feel you had to make something that in the end wasnt necesary. (creating whole new characters and stuff that is...)
And now back to the actual topic of this thread. No gallente pilots are not whining about some nerf that slightly decreases the usability of about 80% of gallente ships. They are simply pointing out the fact that if changes are applied like described in DevBlog, it will end one and only viable gameplay option for majority of blaster (and AC) platforms. Personally I can just go fit a raven or geddon anytime (..already adapted and so on...), no hard feelings. I would however miss the fun that blaster platforms are to fly. Cant imagine enjoying EvE if PvP is simply warp in -> F1-F8 -> warp out.
Its not about one ship or even about just few ships. Its about one complete style of game play we would be loosing with these changes.
Hope thats clear enough
Fighting for Our right to Cloak since 2004 |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:34:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: MenanceWhite My characters are on the same account. My caldari char was "shafted" for the gallente char which was "shafted" for the amarr char. Think I have it any better?
Again, blame this on CCP and not us. Just because someone once ****ed on you doesn't mean that in the opposite situation you can **** on others. It's really disgusting.
So it's ok to be the first to do the bashing but not to "return" the favor? (That is how your wording sounds to me). I do expect to see you in every "The nerf bat hit me to hard" thread, where someone is bashing the OP. And why havn't I seen you in the Caldari threads advocating the disgust of their behaviour?
Yes, bashing is disgusting, name calling is disgusting, slanter is disgusting. But it's what I see the most on these forums. Many people don't have a good counter argument, so they turn to attacking the poster instead. It's cheap and easy.
so because a few idiots bashed you once the whole gallente blasterboat population gets "ADAPT LOL" thrown in our face?
Read. Your question is already answered.
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:03:00 -
[105]
Once again. No one asked for blasters to be nerfed. No one complained about blasters being op. Some folks were asking if atm Minmatar are a bit subpar if we dont look at nanoships.
CCP decided to nerf nanoships. In doing that they decided to heavily nerf speed altogether. And MWDs. And then to balance it out they decide to nerf webs. And they slowdown and make less agile all ships from cruiser up.
And in all that, it appears that blasterboats might die.
And all Caldari, Amarr and some Minnie players rejoice.
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:05:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Vision Threads What's the big deal? You can still solo PVP. Just buy a second account and duel-box like everyone else who is serious about the game.
That's why CCP periodically offers "Power of Two". You're supposed to run multiple accounts to play this game.
-Miner and hauler -Ratter/mission runner and salvager -Capital ship and cyno alt -Producer and newbcorp freighter/marketer (to avoid wardecs) -PVPer and scout/tackler
Power of Two. Next time the offer comes up, take advantage of it. It's the way the game is designed to be played.
lol. thats not the SOLO pvp then is it. ever consider the fact some people might play eve with only one character and only have the capacity to run one account?
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