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Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.08.01 02:51:00 - [61] Originally by: Megan Maynard Maybe. But really the game is not as fast paced with the patch, and therefore in my view, not as fun. It was fun screaming around in a frigate going 5000+ m/s easily. It's even more fun hanging onto a HAC in close orbit with a Wolf. Try it. Good times.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.08.01 04:34:00 - [62] To you "it's only a nano game at the moment" ****s: GET A ING CLUE! I've PvPed in ALL CLASSES over the past two years. Guess what? Nano HACs are not the end all of Eve. They are just another tool in the toolbox. Want to roam? Yeah, speedHacs are good for that. But Fleet battles -> Sniper BS, gatecamp busting -> gank BS, disruption ops -> Force Recons... use the right tool for the right job... and that includes killing nanoships. Minmatar are going to be epically ed by these **ed changes, Gallente too, but to a lesser degree... good ing thing I have Amarr BS V and large e-turrets T2, to be **ing honest.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.01 08:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Pheonix Kanan Edited by: Pheonix Kanan on 31/07/2008 12:15:26 I agree with you entirely. Unfortunately, as I have stated to many fellow eve players, CCP has a past history of over-nerfing (Nos, Damps, Carriers, for example). And there current eve community of a vocal minority is not helping the situation. Average nano pilots do not own snakes, not even low grade ones. Yet CCP based at lot of the nerfs on a vagabond with a HG snake set. (Before I get into a rant) It's kind of sad to CCP do something so detrimental, but alas. As PVP'ers, it's kind of our choosen lifestyle to have to always change tactics when a carebear loses his Rail-Raven to a smarter player what about the M in MWD meaning mandatory? what about the hsips that cant nano and are therefore dreafull? what about the invincable nano's that, no mater how much isk they have, shld never ever be invincable? poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Chaos Incarnate	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:01:00 - [64] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus To you "it's only a nano game at the moment" ****s: GET A ING CLUE! I've PvPed in ALL CLASSES over the past two years. Guess what? Nano HACs are not the end all of Eve. They are just another tool in the toolbox. Want to roam? Yeah, speedHacs are good for that. But Fleet battles -> Sniper BS, gatecamp busting -> gank BS, disruption ops -> Force Recons... use the right tool for the right job... and that includes killing nanoships. Minmatar are going to be epically ed by these **ed changes, Gallente too, but to a lesser degree... good ing thing I have Amarr BS V and large e-turrets T2, to be ing honest. When your head explodes after your next epic outpouring of e-rage over pixels, can I have your stuff? Quote:** "Rabble Rabble Rabble!" "Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!" "But we don't know what else to do!" "Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:04:00 - [65] CCP did the best thing which was to ignore what people "SAY" and look at what people actually "DO". The real issue is that people have forgotten how to pvp without a MWD. AB's are now boosted so AB's are serious MWD replacements now.
Captain Crimson Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:48:00 - [66] Originally by: McDonALTs CCP did the best thing which was to ignore what people "SAY" and look at what people actually "DO". The real issue is that people have forgotten how to pvp without a MWD. AB's are now boosted so AB's are serious MWD replacements now. I have to agree with this. CCP really dont too much of a damn about the forums as a small percentage of EVE players post there. They just look at their stats as it gives a more general view of things. Ships and forums is now the new Rogue forum in WoW. You should be worried. Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Gunner Chick	Posted - 2008.08.01 10:47:00 - [67] Edited by: Gunner Chick on 01/08/2008 10:47:52 i love taking in the whines before the storm guess its time to drop ship sizes to maintain that invulnerability for small gang warfare/incursions the nano ***s think... navy ravens going 9600 m/s are fine. interceptors with hg slaves going faster than warp speed are fine(ok, slight exageration but it might as well be warp speed hehe). 6-10 man roaming gangs filled with pure death(falcons, vagas, rapiers, dictors etc) that cant be touched are fine. p.s. this constitutes blobbage since they pwn one to 2 peeps at a time usually or run easily from equal to bigger groups even though their main arguement is that the nerf will promote blobbage plus much more and this all after a already midget size nano nerf. me, a 4 year player, being a forced nano pilot but one who trully enjoys playing my races like they are supposed to be played is welcoming this change..big time. im hoping alot of players will exit that way because tbh, im sick of all the desire for invulnerability bs.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.08.01 12:11:00 - [68] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate When your head explodes after your next epic outpouring of e-rage over pixels, can I have your stuff? No. Like I said, Amarr BS V + Large energy turret tech 2, so... I just can't stand people who have their heads so firmly up their asses that they can't see how terrible this nerf is. Did speed need rebalancing? Yeah, nerf Snakes, nerf polycarbs, but don't REMOVE a whole playstyle alltogether for god's sake!
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.01 12:52:00 - [69] The speednerf is ridiculous as it does not only nerf the extremely expensive faction BS speed setups but also the normal 3-4km hacs that is the majority of speed ships. I wont pay billions to make a viable speed hac so its back to the old BS's for me but i wonder how much roaming gangs i will go to with that. Its a gigantic nerf of small gang pvp in 0.0 that makes me wonder if ccp has even tried to consider the implications. Not to mention that this will also be the final nail in the coffin for blaster ships.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.01 12:53:00 - [70] Originally by: Megan Maynard Maybe. But really the game is not as fast paced with the patch, and therefore in my view, not as fun. It was fun screaming around in a frigate going 5000+ m/s easily. Imo slowing everything down gives more room for manouvers in fights. More skill instead of random overshoot or no overshoot luck webs. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name

H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yeah, but lets see how it works out once they adjust/nerf missiles accordingly to the new speeds. Please don't - it will only start a vicious circle of speed and missile nerfs due to the everlasting whine of ratters caught in a belt...
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:31:00 - [72] Originally by: H Lecter Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yeah, but lets see how it works out once they adjust/nerf missiles accordingly to the new speeds. Please don't - it will only start a vicious circle of speed and missile nerfs due to the everlasting whine of ratters caught in a belt... But missiles are overpowered now. Need to adjust them explo velocities you know. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Chaos Incarnate	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:33:00 - [73] Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 01/08/2008 13:33:05 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Chaos Incarnate When your head explodes after your next epic outpouring of e-rage over pixels, can I have your stuff? No. Like I said, Amarr BS V + Large energy turret tech 2, so... I just can't stand people who have their heads so firmly up their asses that they can't see how terrible this nerf is. Did speed need rebalancing? Yeah, nerf Snakes, nerf polycarbs, but don't REMOVE a whole playstyle alltogether for god's sake! I just can't stand people whose entire response to a perceived unjustified game change is to stamp and scream all over the forum like angry eight year olds. Get on Singularity, test the changes, find new ways around things; post feedback on what is still speed tankable, where you think the nerfs went too far, whatever. Quote: "Rabble Rabble Rabble!" "Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!" "But we don't know what else to do!" "Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate rabble rabble rabble Dude... your face.
Yar0 Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.08.01 13:48:00 - [75] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 01/08/2008 13:33:05 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Chaos Incarnate When your head explodes after your next epic outpouring of e-rage over pixels, can I have your stuff? No. Like I said, Amarr BS V + Large energy turret tech 2, so... I just can't stand people who have their heads so firmly up their asses that they can't see how terrible this nerf is. Did speed need rebalancing? Yeah, nerf Snakes, nerf polycarbs, but don't REMOVE a whole playstyle alltogether for god's sake! I just can't stand people whose entire response to a perceived unjustified game change is to stamp and scream all over the forum like angry eight year olds. Get on Singularity, test the changes, find new ways around things; post feedback on what is still speed tankable, where you think the nerfs went too far, whatever. Then dont stand ! Better f... ... ! Because ppl had this play style for a very long time ! Because someone couldnt play, they used forums to screw other ppl ! Where did all the training go, minmatar ships, gallente ? No one has any rights to screw ppl that much !
Chaos Incarnate	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:27:00 - [76] Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 01/08/2008 14:27:52 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Chaos Incarnate rabble rabble rabble Dude... your face. That's all anyone ever says anymore Quote: "Rabble Rabble Rabble!" "Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!" "But we don't know what else to do!" "Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
Juleko	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:22:00 - [77] Probably worth noting that the prices of Snakes, Polys, etc will come down following a speed nerf - so posts like "I'm not spending billions to only go 5km/sec!" are kinda short-sighted.
fmercury Beef Sceptor	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:15:00 - [78] Edited by: fmercury on 01/08/2008 16:16:06 Edited by: fmercury on 01/08/2008 16:15:17 Originally by: Baudolino I see both mistakes as a possible indication of GMs and developers having less intimate knowledge of game mechanics then they had only 2 years ago. I see CCP relying in both cases on players with even less understanding of the mechanics they are discussing. With a well constructed, grammatically sound argument, there are only a few ways to shine here as a complete idiot. Telling CCP you know EVE better than they do is one of them. EVE was here before everyone was traveling 5 Kms or docking in a pod, and it will be there after. As the Nanoers have been telling everyone for some time: Adapt or die.
Barsexual	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:28:00 - [79] Edited by: Barsexual on 01/08/2008 16:28:12 Originally by: McDonALTs CCP did the best thing which was to ignore what people "SAY" and look at what people actually "DO". The real issue is that people have forgotten how to pvp without a MWD. AB's are now boosted so AB's are serious MWD replacements now. it seems like most things that had a chance to escape a t2 bubble camp now will have almost no chance after the changes since mass has increased on most ships which affects acceleration AB to escape something like that is just lol
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:35:00 - [80] Originally by: Barsexual Edited by: Barsexual on 01/08/2008 16:28:12 Originally by: McDonALTs CCP did the best thing which was to ignore what people "SAY" and look at what people actually "DO". The real issue is that people have forgotten how to pvp without a MWD. AB's are now boosted so AB's are serious MWD replacements now. it seems like most things that had a chance to escape a t2 bubble camp now will have almost no chance after the changes since mass has increased on most ships which affects acceleration AB to escape something like that is just lol poeples like you make me sick. all you want to do is run run runn. at least after patch you have to commit to the fight. you aren't supposed to escape bubble camps. try bringing your own fleet to figth them or blow up the bubble. tactics and brains get some.

AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:37:00 - [81] Originally by: Stab Wounds poeples like you make me sick. all you want to do is run run runn. at least after patch you have to commit to the fight. you aren't supposed to escape bubble camps. try bringing your own fleet to figth them or blow up the bubble. tactics and brains get some. Right, bigger blob wins. That makes eve FUN! You want a 5 man roaming gang? They should COMMIT to a fight with your 40 man gate camp because you have a bubble. Seriously, that's stupid.
Hanso Sparxx We The People	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:39:00 - [82] Most people complaining about the nano nerf have never been on the test server. True story. ------------------ We the People is recruiting!
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:41:00 - [83] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Stab Wounds poeples like you make me sick. all you want to do is run run runn. at least after patch you have to commit to the fight. you aren't supposed to escape bubble camps. try bringing your own fleet to figth them or blow up the bubble. tactics and brains get some. Right, bigger blob wins. That makes eve FUN! You want a 5 man roaming gang? They should COMMIT to a fight with your 40 man gate camp because you have a bubble. Seriously, that's stupid. if you don't have friends you lose. just like in real life. if you don't have friends and family in real life you deserve what you suffer too
Baudolino Gallente Royal Crimson Lancers	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:49:00 - [84] Edited by: Baudolino on 01/08/2008 16:50:03 Originally by: Stab Wounds ...you aren't supposed to escape bubble camps.... This is a perfect example of what i call "starcraft" gaming in EVE. This frame of mind that is utterly hostile to the inherent fluidity of EVE. A black and white understanding that organizes ths games' content in finite categories in such a way as to have it make permanent sense. I`m not against a re-organization of how speed works. I think CCP is going to far though and i have stated why. "Nano" as clearly defined in my previous thread on "nanos" is a valuable asset to the tactics and gamestyles of EVE, and there are others ways of bringing it closer in line with other styles beyond this total revamp. The change reeks of the fact that the nano discussion is void of an understanding of the 3 different speed categories in EVE flight and their underlying mechanics.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:56:00 - [85] Originally by: Stab Wounds if you don't have friends you lose. just like in real life. if you don't have friends and family in real life you deserve what you suffer too 'Cause EVE is modeled after real life, right? That's what makes games fun, modeling them after real life? It's a game, it should play like a game and be fun like a game. Fun games don't say 40 > 20, you all die. It's stupid.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:01:00 - [86] Edited by: Stab Wounds on 01/08/2008 17:04:01 Originally by: Baudolino Edited by: Baudolino on 01/08/2008 16:50:03 Originally by: Stab Wounds ...you aren't supposed to escape bubble camps.... This is a perfect example of what i call "starcraft" gaming in EVE. This frame of mind that is utterly hostile to the inherent fluidity of EVE. A black and white understanding that organizes ths games' content in finite categories in such a way as to have it make permanent sense. I`m not against a re-organization of how speed works. I think CCP is going to far though and i have stated why. "Nano" as clearly defined in my previous thread on "nanos" is a valuable asset to the tactics and gamestyles of EVE, and there are others ways of bringing it closer in line with other styles beyond this total revamp. The change reeks of the fact that the nano discussion is void of an understanding of the 3 different speed categories in EVE flight and their underlying mechanics. bubbles were made to stop people from warping away and having to COMMIT to the fight if they don't work or there's an easy way around them then they are broken. like currently if you put up a bubble a macharial can easape easily back to gate with a mwd even with 2-3 90% webs on him, he just float back
Atlas Oracle Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.08.01 18:53:00 - [87] Originally by: Stab Wounds if you don't have friends you lose. just like in real life. if you don't have friends and family in real life you deserve what you suffer too just, wow
Nathanial Victor Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:10:00 - [88] Edited by: Nathanial Victor on 01/08/2008 19:11:06 Originally by: Stab Wounds if you don't have friends and family in real life you deserve what you suffer too bravo good sir. BRAV-O /slow long loud clap "one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'? my head hurts
amidoingthisright Amarr Strictly For The CAOD	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:51:00 - [89] tl;dr
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:53:00 - [90] Also, Stab Wounds, you're just stupid as hell. "You deserve to suffer"? Christ, go hang yourself and do humankind a favor.



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