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Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.01 20:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Also, Stab Wounds, you're just stupid as hell. "You deserve to suffer"? Christ, go hang yourself and do humankind a favor. reported
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.01 20:06:00 - [92] Originally by: Hanso Sparxx Most people complaining about the nano nerf have never been on the test server. True story. In this case the test server is utterly worthless. Vote against the nano nerf!
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.01 20:07:00 - [93] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Also, Stab Wounds, you're just stupid as hell. "You deserve to suffer"? Christ, go hang yourself and do humankind a favor. reported I'M TELLING MOM!!!!
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.01 20:14:00 - [94] Originally by: Stab Wounds reported Seems that Jonny JoJo turned caldari, added in some lyria, some general douchebaggery and even more unjustified reasoning and race hate. GG troll, let's go back to caldari online.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.08.01 20:45:00 - [95] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Also, Stab Wounds, you're just stupid as hell. "You deserve to suffer"? Christ, go hang yourself and do humankind a favor. reported Ok... yeah. Well looks like we'll both get banned. Me for the "hang yourself" comment, you for the "have friends or you deserve to suffer". GG, Stab.
Baudolino Gallente Royal Crimson Lancers	Posted - 2008.08.01 21:12:00 - [96] Please don`t derail the thread because one mans thoughtless comments. The thread has grown longer then i intended, but has remained surprisingly civil up to this point..
Hyron Corp 1 Allstars The Requiem	Posted - 2008.08.01 21:15:00 - [97] I want battleships to be king again. IT WAS SO MUCH MORE FUN. Nerf nanos to hell.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.08.01 21:24:00 - [98] Originally by: Hyron I want battleships to be king again. They will be.
Kyusoath Orillian Viziam	Posted - 2008.08.01 21:32:00 - [99] Edited by: Kyusoath Orillian on 01/08/2008 21:34:35 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Stab Wounds poeples like you make me sick. all you want to do is run run runn. at least after patch you have to commit to the fight. you aren't supposed to escape bubble camps. try bringing your own fleet to figth them or blow up the bubble. tactics and brains get some. Right, bigger blob wins. That makes eve FUN! You want a 5 man roaming gang? They should COMMIT to a fight with your 40 man gate camp because you have a bubble. Seriously, that's stupid. better tactics and a smaller blob could counter that, or yes a bigger blob, or you could scout the gate (nano roamers don't need scouts as they can just leave if they don't like whats there) and instead of carefree nano cowardice you go somewhere else. do you think its ok that a tiny nano gang can slip thru a 50+ man BS gate camp with bubbles ? i do not, i think they only thing that should be able to go thru such a gate is a gang able to deal with the threat on the other side, not just runaway using nano exploits. that means FIGHTING player Vs player, instead of nano ganking anything and if it stands a chance of hurting you just leaving with no loss at all. A massive bubble camp cannot just leave instantly if the fight looks risky, nano gangs can and it is wrong. camping a gate means saying 'anyone that comes here will be attacked and we accept those consequences whatever they may be' nano roaming is saying ' i'm going to attack you, but if you fight back i'm going to leave and there is nothing you can do about it.' personally, i think that all the changes are good but i would increase the AB boost to around 200%+, increase web range and remove either the damage bonuses or the speed bonuses of the vagabond. (ok maybe not, i just hate that ship) i fly blaster boats mostly and feel that these changes are fine, and that if i am in range to have my MWD shut off i can do that to my enemy too
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.01 21:44:00 - [100] Originally by: Juleko Probably worth noting that the prices of Snakes, Polys, etc will come down following a speed nerf - so posts like "I'm not spending billions to only go 5km/sec!" are kinda short-sighted. Will those who already have snakes and polys get reimbursed?
Yar0 Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.08.01 22:00:00 - [101] Edited by: Yar0 on 01/08/2008 22:02:59 Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Stab Wounds poeples like you make me sick. all you want to do is run run runn. at least after patch you have to commit to the fight. you aren't supposed to escape bubble camps. try bringing your own fleet to figth them or blow up the bubble. tactics and brains get some. Right, bigger blob wins. That makes eve FUN! You want a 5 man roaming gang? They should COMMIT to a fight with your 40 man gate camp because you have a bubble. Seriously, that's stupid. if you don't have friends you lose. just like in real life. if you don't have friends and family in real life you deserve what you suffer too You are f..g brilliant player I guees...probably never ever been to 0.0 !!! Try and roam after the patch with a small gang !!! GOOD LUCK !!! And nowdays if you have few nanoships, it doesnt mean that you can jump throug a gate camp with a large bublle, unless the people who are bubbling you are clueless idiots ! And it seems to me that you are one of those stupid ppl who cant deal these days with nano ! Whining on the forums is your best weapon
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.01 23:41:00 - [102] Originally by: Bellum Eternus I'm on the same set of HG Snakes for over two years now. What is that telling you? That you're a pathetic lowsec ganker who plates the crap out of every BS he flies? Or that like every other Eve player, you only support changes that directly benefit your play style ? /trolling-flame ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Deschenus Maximus Amarr The Grim Reapers	Posted - 2008.08.02 04:58:00 - [103] Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian not just runaway using nano exploits. Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian runaway using nano exploits. Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian using nano exploits. Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian nano exploits. Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian exploits. This statement has invalidated pretty much everything you said.
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.02 05:32:00 - [104] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 01/08/2008 14:27:52 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Chaos Incarnate rabble rabble rabble Dude... your face. That's all anyone ever says anymore You have beautiful eyes.
ishkurz Basic Tritanium Mining North	Posted - 2008.08.02 11:45:00 - [105] Edited by: ishkurz on 02/08/2008 11:51:39 Baudolino I agree with you 100% ccp have a major problem with this nerf-circle, its not makeing sense also in the end its more work and problem for themselfs as they need to buff the nerfed ships i order to make people fly them... The moste stupid thing in that Dev-blog is that ccp actually say that they are nerfing webifiers to make the combat less STATIC and when you get webbed it all comes down to who has the best tank... there word's!!! And then they nerf speed That kind of double talk is the worst I think ccp should at least be honest about WHY they are doing this nerf they dont want to lose there customers that get killed time after time and go cry on the forums...its alot of them. Next time its something else they wont stop dying just because nano is gone but they will get the fast roaming-gang out of there way.
Calden De'Altos	Posted - 2008.08.03 06:41:00 - [106] Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 03/08/2008 06:45:26 If CCP claims that, at the current speeds some ships can reach, the game physics break down (ie. missles and drones can never hit there targets) then why should they allow players to make ships that operate out of the game's mechainc's threshold? The very first blog about this fix states that many ships can stack speed buffs to the point where the game can not properly caculate impacts and damage. If this is the case, why should anyone be able to fly an invincable ship?! It would be like allowing a Caldari to have so many shield buffing abilities that you could never bring their shields down. Or for an Amarr that can stack so many armor buffing abilities that his armor becomes impenatatable. All of these examples are silly and are not balanced towards fair gameplay. CCP will not make everyone fly at the speed of a freighter. Pilots who wish to use speed as a way to deal with damage will still be able to do so, and have lots of viable ships to choose from. The speed fix will alos allow other players to fly a wider variation of ship types and styles because they no longer have to worry about running into a nanoship that they can not hit. For those of you that spent billions of ISK and months and months of training to become so specialized in nanoship piloting, you should have realized that your days were numbered. No game developer in their right mind would let any player have the ability to make anything that grants them god-like invunrability. If you don't like that answer, then accept this fact: the more specialized a creature becomes, the greater chance it has of dying off when its enviroment changes and the less the enviroment needs to change to cause it. Luckly you nanopilots did not need to die to learn this fact of life; just lose alot of ISK and time. Looking at things from a broader perspective, its always funny to go back and read old posts talking about previous nerfs that were going to "make everyone quit Eve." I think CCP has heard Chicken Little cry "The sky is falling!" enough times to realize they just need to ignore him.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.03 06:50:00 - [107] Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 03/08/2008 06:51:02 Originally by: Bellum Eternus You have it the wrong way around. Nano noobs are 'Starcraft', 'traditional' players (everyone else) are 'Total Annihilation' players who are intent on playing the game with it's full range of ships and weapons fully operational. If you're in a ship that can avoid 100% of any weapon and escape combat at will (I fly a HG Snake nano Vaga/Sac/Ishtar/Zealot btw) and don't think it's broken, you need to get your brain checked. There is simply nothing else to say but Quote For Truth. Though, I don't think that it's all the nano modules', rigs' and implants' fault. Also, be sure to check out my proposal for an alternative it's right below this thread you can't miss it holy shit the words are worse than goon argh.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.08.03 07:28:00 - [108] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Stab Wounds reported Seems that Jonny JoJo turned caldari, added in some lyria, some general douchebaggery and even more unjustified reasoning and race hate. GG troll, let's go back to caldari online. Nice one Astro, I almost had Coke coming out my nose. (the drinkable kind you get in a can, not the white fluffy stuff ) Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.08.03 07:30:00 - [109] Originally by: Maeltstome Originally by: Bellum Eternus I'm on the same set of HG Snakes for over two years now. What is that telling you? That you're a pathetic lowsec ganker who plates the crap out of every BS he flies? Or that like every other Eve player, you only support changes that directly benefit your play style ? /trolling-flame My guns suck my cap dry. Of course I have to use plates. I'm not as lucky as Caldari or Minmatar players. I fly all four races loser. Grow up. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Dendo Ordoss Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.08.03 09:14:00 - [110] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Or maybe 14k/sec is broken? Hell, even 5.5k/sec is broken. And this is coming from someone who flies nano ships. Not because I like it, but because I have to since that's all there is. only thing it tells me is that you havnt taken those implants out to 0,0 a lot
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.03 09:34:00 - [111] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Also, Stab Wounds, you're just stupid as hell. "You deserve to suffer"? Christ, go hang yourself and do humankind a favor. reported agreed, stfu stab wounds you stupid noob Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
Chaos Incarnate Has No Face	Posted - 2008.08.03 09:39:00 - [112] Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 03/08/2008 09:41:03 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Chaos Incarnate I just can't stand people whose entire response to a perceived unjustified game change is to stamp and scream all over the forum like angry eight year olds. Where did I see that behaviour before? Oh yeah, from the nerf nanos crowd. So you saw an epic amount of stupid being spewed all over the forum, and rather than correct it just figured "Hey, I'll scream and whine too! That'll make it even!" Oh, protip: If you want to see changes reversed, a clever idea is to make reasoned arguments as to why they're wrong rather than whining that you can't get your way. Quote: Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Get on Singularity, test the changes, find new ways around things; post feedback on what is still speed tankable, where you think the nerfs went too far, whatever. There's no way around getting ass**d when your papertanked ship crawls around like a turtle. I strongly disliked HACs before I started nanoing them; looks like I'll strongly dislike them once more. Can I have your HACs then, if you're too damned lazy to figure out how to use them? Quote:** "Rabble Rabble Rabble!" "Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!" "But we don't know what else to do!" "Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.03 09:56:00 - [113] i agree with him, now the tier 2 bcs do a better job at everything....so why fly 2x the cost hacs? Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
BOBHOPE Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.03 10:28:00 - [114] why dont they just have 2 classes of webbers like warp jamming? shorter and stronger longer and weaker then skills to increase distance and strength? then why dont ppl use huginns and rapiers for a job theyre designed for? then leave 'nano' to diaf unless ya cba to form up andd efend against a valid tactic? /me shrugs
Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.03 12:40:00 - [115] OP, no disrespect intended, but I find your original post too convoluted and too general that I can't pin down exactly what is the exact issue that you're trying to convey. The bulk of your original post tells about your own personal definition of the term "nano", yes very educational. However, most importantly I don't see an argument that compares to something specific in the dev blog. The closest line that I can perhaps pin down is "the function and purpose of "nano" is valid and should not be removed". Yes, ok ... and? I wasted my time reading this, and I'm almost sure CCP will feel the same way too.
Nightsheir	Posted - 2008.08.03 23:25:00 - [116] Edited by: Nightsheir on 03/08/2008 23:27:48 What i see is ; There are certain people around 5 to 10 posting responses to every* single* topic that supports the patch. They are doing everything they can to look like a crowd , spoiling every single thread , working in groups with same mind set to try make it look like there is more people against the patch than supporters. Looks like those handful of people are about to lose their precisious tools. I wonder why they were so precisious. CCP has thought about this patch and its side effects more than anybody with ingame experience . And everybody knows that speed fix was in the cooking phase for longer than 1 year. It was those* people's choice to hold on to the exploit more every day and now just cant give up. Game balance will make you give up, and come to the same level where the rest of eve is. Your makeup crowd will only prove how much you were into this game-mechanics exploit. And yes, boost amarr . Tired of playing with laser toyguns.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.08.03 23:52:00 - [117] Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Originally by: Megan Maynard Maybe. But really the game is not as fast paced with the patch, and therefore in my view, not as fun. It was fun screaming around in a frigate going 5000+ m/s easily. It's even more fun hanging onto a HAC in close orbit with a Wolf. Try it. Good times. Did that, agreed. I don't disagree with most of the changes. Just the giant nerf bat to MWD.
Sha'ha'dem	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:59:00 - [118] What I am getting from the opener is that he thinks he deserves an instant win button just because he has several years worth of sp and isk and does not want anyone to be able to pvp in a bs just because he does not like to.
General Zamiel Amarr Angeli Iustitiorum	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:21:00 - [119] I love reading people's attempts to change the Dev's minds, especially when they are actually well thought out and written. Not that I don't get a good laugh out of the the simpletons who just mindlessly complain because some facet of their gaming has been altered. Of course let us not forget that at the core of this, people who give organized and intelligent arguments and those that just spew garbage, are essentially both struggling against the inevitable current of a changing landscape. Call this nerfing or balancing, legitimate or unfair, hell even call it nearsighted, it matters not. If CCP even gives your argument a passing thought they've done you a greater service than they are obliged to. Let us not forget that is not a Democracy. We are entirely subject to the whims of the Dev's, and the fact that they attempt to be as reasonable as possible is only testament to their concern for the player base. It is this pilot's opinion that CCP knows the game better than any of us ever can, seeing as they invented it and maintain it. Truly, it is nothing short of pretentious of us to question their motives or methodology. Now then, rather then trash wildly against the winds of change, let us do what we players do best, which is certainly not attempt to tell the Dev's how they ought to run their game, rather it is roll with the punches and adapt. Memento Mori.
Ihrda Siharkhail	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:57:00 - [120] Originally by: General Zamiel I love reading people's attempts to change the Dev's minds, especially when they are actually well thought out and written. Not that I don't get a good laugh out of the the simpletons who just mindlessly complain because some facet of their gaming has been altered. Of course let us not forget that at the core of this, people who give organized and intelligent arguments and those that just spew garbage, are essentially both struggling against the inevitable current of a changing landscape. Call this nerfing or balancing, legitimate or unfair, hell even call it nearsighted, it matters not. If CCP even gives your argument a passing thought they've done you a greater service than they are obliged to. Let us not forget that is not a Democracy. We are entirely subject to the whims of the Dev's, and the fact that they attempt to be as reasonable as possible is only testament to their concern for the player base. It is this pilot's opinion that CCP knows the game better than any of us ever can, seeing as they invented it and maintain it. Truly, it is nothing short of pretentious of us to question their motives or methodology. Now then, rather then trash wildly against the winds of change, let us do what we players do best, which is certainly not attempt to tell the Dev's how they ought to run their game, rather it is roll with the punches and adapt. tell that to every other mmo that the developers have ****ed up

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