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Killer Goldfish	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:33:00 - [1] We pay rent for our hangers. Why don't we pay our ships crews? if it's just us in a pod, why do all the ships have windows?
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:34:00 - [2] I dont want to pay them, simple.
Andrew shi'tra	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:35:00 - [3] My crew consists of corpses that have been turned into hardworking slaves through biomechanical engineering and robotic enhancements.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:36:00 - [4] I like to think that the money (isk) is different from what normies use. I mean, we can buy a spaceship for 30,000.00 isk. That's a pretty powerful bill. What does .01 isk get you groundside? So just maybe we ARE paying our limited crews, but we just are so used to making huge amounts of money that it's not even a noticeable percentage of our wallets. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:37:00 - [5] The reason the ships have windows is because the ships were retrofitted to be suitable for capsules. Original designs were for crews, not one-man pods. ----
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:39:00 - [6] Edited by: Haradgrim on 31/07/2008 17:39:48 RP Answer: They get paid out of bounties and other earnings, however, the amounts you see have already recieved their dedcutions so there is no need to concern yourself. OOC: You know you've been playing EVE to long when you start to feel like its been a while since the last "crew" thread, and one pops up almost immediately yet you feel no suprise..... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Tahshar Malacha	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Killer Goldfish We pay rent for our hangers. Why don't we pay our ships crews? if it's just us in a pod, why do all the ships have windows? Really good question. I think CCP has partially answered this one in previous posts. IIRC, they have it somewhere on the slate to get around to. All ships have crews except fighters and I think 1 of the Minmatar Frigates. Here's what I'd like to see: Crews must be hired. Good crews cost much more and increase the efficiency of a ship. The longer you go without destroying the ship, the better they get and the better the loyalty to you, the pod pilot. Crew contracts can be sold. Crew caliber would be ranked much like a module. A crew member that has x number of kills assigned to him/her is Meta Level x and so on, and worth whatever the market says. Yeah, I don't have this all worked out. Something I sit and chew on it at times. I just think it would add life to the game. Obviously you can't "hire" 10,000 crewmembers for a Battleship. You could however, say that there are 5 positions on a ship that must be filled, Chief Gunnery, Chief Mechanic, etc. The crews would then fall under their respective chief. So, if I've had my Retribution for 8 months and splashed thousands of rats, the crew would be pretty good and loyal to the pilot. If I'm a cheesy ganker that looses ships right and left, crews are expensive and hard to find and of low quality. Humm, mutiny comes to mind for a careless pod pilot.......... Just some thoughts.
Arloeswr Gallente PHOENIX DYNAMICS	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:46:00 - [8] You can pay me and pretend your paying your crew
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:49:00 - [9] I think that crews would be interesting, actually. And yes, pod-capable ships do still have crews, I don't know who keeps perpetuating this myth that they don't but it's not true. Battleships still have a crew numbering in the thousands. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Artemis Rose Odd End of the Universe	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:27:00 - [10] We only pay rent for corporate hangers, not personal ones. Personally, my ships suffer "accidents" before the handsome paychecks to my crew mates clear. A shame... __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
R McGunne	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:28:00 - [11] Ships piloted by pod pilots have no crews. Pod pilot ships are specially constructed so that all ship systems are fully automated and the pod acts as the central controller. This was the basis of the Jovian pod design to make ships more efficient (and spare human life). The only crews used by pod pilots are in station, which is supplied by the station owners as part of their services - which you pay for indirectly via taxes and fees to the relevant station owners. The same ships piloted by non-pod pilots still require a full crew - normally those used by the standard navies. In short, if you have not noticed, you control every part and piece of the ship. The only entity you have contact with is the ship computer, never with any crew. Crew is not required and will just stand in the way of full control. Except Minmatar ships, where the crew consists of a bunch of mechanics with rolls of ducttape, continously patching stuff.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:31:00 - [12] Talking about paying for things in EVE, don't you think it's weird when your have to pay for your own equipment when part of a noob FW faction? Can you imagine IRL soldiers having to buy their own tanks and ammo to go to war? Hehe
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Andrew shi'tra My crew consists of corpses that have been turned into hardworking slaves through biomechanical engineering and robotic enhancements. this
Tahshar Malacha	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:32:00 - [14] Originally by: R McGunne Ships piloted by pod pilots have no crews. Pod pilot ships are specially constructed so that all ship systems are fully automated and the pod acts as the central controller. This was the basis of the Jovian pod design to make ships more efficient (and spare human life). The only crews used by pod pilots are in station, which is supplied by the station owners as part of their services - which you pay for indirectly via taxes and fees to the relevant station owners. The same ships piloted by non-pod pilots still require a full crew - normally those used by the standard navies. In short, if you have not noticed, you control every part and piece of the ship. The only entity you have contact with is the ship computer, never with any crew. Crew is not required and will just stand in the way of full control. Except Minmatar ships, where the crew consists of a bunch of mechanics with rolls of ducttape, continously patching stuff. This is not correct. All ships have crews, even those controlled by pod pilots. Check your back story and do a search of the forums. CCP has specifically stated that they have crews. Also, older T1 ships have been retrofitted for pods. T2 ships have apparently been specifically constructed for pods. IIRC, Battleships and above still have thousands of crew members and are only controlled by the pod pilot. Cheers
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:40:00 - [15] the crew comes with the price of the ship. you buy their lifetime contract. in my case, few days lifetime. - -
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:43:00 - [16] Each apoc has about 2000 minmatar guys on bikes generating power. Shows why it has a large cap bonus. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Seamus OReilly	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:44:00 - [17] Quote: Can you imagine IRL soldiers having to buy their own tanks and ammo to go to war? Not tanks and ammo, but Roman and Greek soldiers had to provide their own arms. As would most militias, I imagine. Quote: Here's what I'd like to see: Crews must be hired. Good crews cost much more and increase the efficiency of a ship. The longer you go without destroying the ship, the better they get and the better the loyalty to you, the pod pilot. Crew contracts can be sold. Crew caliber would be ranked much like a module. A crew member that has x number of kills assigned to him/her is Meta Level x and so on, and worth whatever the market says. /Signed
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:44:00 - [18] Originally by: MenanceWhite Each apoc has about 2000 minmatar guys on bikes generating power. Shows why it has a large cap bonus. That is actually unnervingly close to the truth. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Killer Goldfish if it's just us in a pod, why do all the ships have windows? I've often wondered that very thing. I think there's a bit of cognitive dissonance going on with the pod pilot idea once you get beyond smaller frigate like ships. Maybe the pod thing will be expanded to include multiple pod pilots in your ship? That'd make much more sense since one pilot can hardly be expected to be able to manage a huge titan all on his/her own.
Kiviar Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Killer Goldfish Why don't we pay our ships crews? They get to hang out in my hangar filled with exotic dancers, spiced wine, caviar and luxury vehicles all day long while I'm not around. If you ask me they should be paying me. ---
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Apoctasy The reason the ships have windows is because the ships were retrofitted to be suitable for capsules. Original designs were for crews, not one-man pods. sigh Not this again. Ships with capsules have crews. Period. End of story. This has been backed up by CCP.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:13:00 - [22] Originally by: R McGunne Ships piloted by pod pilots have no crews. Pod pilot ships are specially constructed so that all ship systems are fully automated and the pod acts as the central controller. This was the basis of the Jovian pod design to make ships more efficient (and spare human life). The only crews used by pod pilots are in station, which is supplied by the station owners as part of their services - which you pay for indirectly via taxes and fees to the relevant station owners. The same ships piloted by non-pod pilots still require a full crew - normally those used by the standard navies. In short, if you have not noticed, you control every part and piece of the ship. The only entity you have contact with is the ship computer, never with any crew. Crew is not required and will just stand in the way of full control. Except Minmatar ships, where the crew consists of a bunch of mechanics with rolls of ducttape, continously patching stuff. WRONG WRONG WRONG Read this thread. Read this news arcticle. Read this chronicle. You fail. Good day, sir. Now stop spreading disinformation.
Gabbot	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:07:00 - [23] Originally by: R McGunne Ships piloted by pod pilots have no crews. Pod pilot ships are specially constructed so that all ship systems are fully automated and the pod acts as the central controller. This was the basis of the Jovian pod design to make ships more efficient (and spare human life). The only crews used by pod pilots are in station, which is supplied by the station owners as part of their services - which you pay for indirectly via taxes and fees to the relevant station owners. The same ships piloted by non-pod pilots still require a full crew - normally those used by the standard navies. In short, if you have not noticed, you control every part and piece of the ship. The only entity you have contact with is the ship computer, never with any crew. Crew is not required and will just stand in the way of full control. Except Minmatar ships, where the crew consists of a bunch of mechanics with rolls of ducttape, continously patching stuff. Go jump infront of a pre-nerf vaga (ingame)
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Kyra Felann [Read this chronicle. oohhh. Brutal. Pods only decrease the number of crew required significantly, but they dont' eliminate them. This is where the confusion comes from as many people think that it gets rid of them entirely. Some of those chronicles are surprizing though. I thought only the poor and impoverished were desprite enough to work on a vessel because it was considered suicide. Also the reason you don't have to pay your crew is because most worlds don't use the isk. Isk is the increadibly strong and elite currency. 1 isk is worth a fortune compared to normal currencies. Basically the crews work for such little that the pod pilots don't even notice the cost in the end. Just the cost of 1 vessel completely dwarfs the cost of operating the crews. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:36:00 - [25] I think people should have to crew their ships, and it should be a negotiation market system with haggling and a bunch of other stuff. And only with crews can you use fitting slots. Not that EVE isn't complicated enough for newbies as it is.
Jaggeh Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Kyra Felann Read this chronicle. There is another chronicle knocking about that tells the tale of two crewers who jump ship a little early and claim their life insurance, then re-crew under assumed names :)
Jarvis Hellstrom Gallente The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Andrew shi'tra My crew consists of corpses that have been turned into hardworking slaves through biomechanical engineering and robotic enhancements. Hmm - remind me to wear filters while visiting your ship. I'm sure that's rather, fragrant, after awhile. May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk (Old Egyptian Blessing)
rValdez5987 Amarr Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:06:00 - [28] I use slaves. They usually dont survive the explosion of my ship though.
Corduroy Rab Xenocidal Uprising	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:22:00 - [29] The crews of my ships don't require payment, they are simply too honored to have me lead them to their deaths on a whim to accept any payment.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:23:00 - [30] Popped BSes should obviously spawn thousands of corpses to really emphasise that there was a crew on it to anyone who doubts it. And the corpses should have a use. They should refine into Suffering and Tears, two new ammo types for hybrid blasters. - DesuSigs
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:28:00 - [31] Here's something to ponder - what do you think happens to the crew of a battleship that survives its destruction (some definitely do) when you salvage the wreck? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Wideen Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:34:00 - [32] perhaps I should stop losing ships carelessly as supposedly I'm the only one that gets to warp off as my ship explodes...
Kharadran Sullath Caldari The Fallen Gingerbread Men Evolution Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MenanceWhite Each apoc has about 2000 minmatar guys on bikes generating power. Shows why it has a large cap bonus. That is actually unnervingly close to the truth. Guess we know what makes up the matter in the Amarrian antimatter reactors now then ------- Insured criminals? Originally by: Fifth Horseman Similarly your insurance doesn't pay out if you fill your car with Gold Bullion and park it in the middle of Trafalgar Square.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:37:00 - [34] Edited by: Tarminic on 31/07/2008 21:37:58 Edited by: Tarminic on 31/07/2008 21:37:28 Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MenanceWhite Each apoc has about 2000 minmatar guys on bikes generating power. Shows why it has a large cap bonus. That is actually unnervingly close to the truth. Guess we know what makes up the matter in the Amarrian antimatter reactors now then From what I've read, Amarr have superior reactors because they're almost completely unshielded, so working around them for any length of time invariably leads to death by radiation poisoning. That would be a pretty big problem, of course...if you didn't have slaves to do that for you. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Ruges	Posted - 2008.07.31 21:56:00 - [35] I thought it would be cool if the crew was ran like silent hunter 3's crew was ran.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.07.31 22:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MenanceWhite Each apoc has about 2000 minmatar guys on bikes generating power. Shows why it has a large cap bonus. That is actually unnervingly close to the truth. This is why when Goons said "go ride a bike" I said NO U Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 23:03:00 - [37] Edited by: Neth''Rae on 31/07/2008 23:04:58 Originally by: Seamus OReilly Quote: Here's what I'd like to see: Crews must be hired. Good crews cost much more and increase the efficiency of a ship. The longer you go without destroying the ship, the better they get and the better the loyalty to you, the pod pilot. Crew contracts can be sold. Crew caliber would be ranked much like a module. A crew member that has x number of kills assigned to him/her is Meta Level x and so on, and worth whatever the market says. /Signed Woha, awesome :> /signed. This would add some more depth and it would also be like a "mini-leveling" system, and you could always go level crews and then sell them off. It's also a reward for not getting your ship blown up, and it makes PvP a bit more exciting. Originally by: Tahshar Malacha All ships have crews except fighters and I think 1 of the Minmatar Frigates. Actually if you zoom in at the minmatar fighter you see a guy sitting in it :D Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.31 23:12:00 - [38] Originally by: Neth'Rae Originally by: Seamus OReilly Quote: Here's what I'd like to see: Crews must be hired. Good crews cost much more and increase the efficiency of a ship. The longer you go without destroying the ship, the better they get and the better the loyalty to you, the pod pilot. Crew contracts can be sold. Crew caliber would be ranked much like a module. A crew member that has x number of kills assigned to him/her is Meta Level x and so on, and worth whatever the market says. /Signed Woha, awesome :> /signed. This would add some more depth and it would also be like a "mini-leveling" system, and you could always go level crews and then sell them off. It's also a reward for not getting your ship blown up, and it makes PvP a bit more exciting. Could be fun, but would probably need to be restricted to PvP battles. Otherwise, it would either be too easy just to grind rats, or so boring that no-one would bother doing it except pure mission runners (and then they'd have another risk-free source of income, which they don't need).
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.31 23:12:00 - [39] I'm not really sure why this debate ever comes up. There's no solid evidence to support the theory of ships to having crews. The only exception is mentioned in Wetgrave, and that's just the Jove telling them a frigate could go on just the pod. There's only PF supporting pod-only for frigates, and even then, it never states that all frigates don't use crews, just that the frigates mentioned have no mention of any crew. Book
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.31 23:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Thorradin I'm not really sure why this debate ever comes up. There's no solid evidence to support the theory of ships to having crews. Read the thread, there are several chronicles that explicitly indicate that ships have crews. All ships larger than frigates have crews of some kind. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2008.07.31 23:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Ruze I like to think that the money (isk) is different from what normies use. I mean, we can buy a spaceship for 30,000.00 isk. That's a pretty powerful bill. What does .01 isk get you groundside? So just maybe we ARE paying our limited crews, but we just are so used to making huge amounts of money that it's not even a noticeable percentage of our wallets. im not big on the whole RP thing but i think this explanation comes off as the most plausible one. i would be sure many would give their right hand to be a crew on a BS, to have the chance of becoming an immortal pod pilot. and a pay of 0.1 isk per month is probably a fortune for the mortal humans in eve Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.31 23:25:00 - [42] Originally by: MenanceWhite The EVE Server has about 2000 minmatar guys on bikes generating power. Shows why it has a large lag bonus. Fixed that for you. -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Kiviar Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.01 00:29:00 - [43] Edited by: Kiviar on 01/08/2008 00:29:21 Originally by: Thorradin I'm not really sure why this debate ever comes up. There's no solid evidence to support the theory of ships to having crews. The only exception is mentioned in Wetgrave, and that's just the Jove telling them a frigate could go on just the pod. Wrong. I think you should go back a page and re-read this post. I don't think it can be explained any clearer. ---
Uncle Mo Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.01 03:34:00 - [44] Having crew maintenance fees might be a way to curb alliances from owning a fleet of Titans. If capital ships get out of control one day - and some would argue that it already has - I wouldn't be at all suprised if CCP implemented crew maintenance fees of some sort. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
Zurrar Gallente Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.01 03:45:00 - [45] this is how i understand it- the crews aren't paid cause your basically their 'god'. pods arent a new thing, but are new to humans and are designed by the jovians. only the elite of humans can use a pod because of the HUGE mental requirements of controlling a ship. the main things the crews are for- ship maint reloading weapons storage cleaning windows taking out the trash building the jet cans polishing the drones piloting fighters engine maint. (someones gotta change the oil) moving stuff from wrecks/cans freezing the corpses some of us pick up to collect (lol)
Zurrar Gallente Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.01 03:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Thorradin I'm not really sure why this debate ever comes up. There's no solid evidence to support the theory of ships to having crews. The only exception is mentioned in Wetgrave, and that's just the Jove telling them a frigate could go on just the pod. There's only PF supporting pod-only for frigates, and even then, it never states that all frigates don't use crews, just that the frigates mentioned have no mention of any crew. Book a while back ccp published a thing with how many crew members were on each ship and such... anyone have that by any chance? and yes, they have crews.
R McGunne	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:25:00 - [47] Originally by: Gabbot Go jump infront of a pre-nerf vaga (ingame) Your ability to summarize a counter argument into so few words is amazing. I am honored to obtain such pearls of wisdom from the Spokesman for the Genetically Challenged. Originally by: Kyra Felann WRONG WRONG WRONG Read this thread. Read this news arcticle. Read this chronicle. You fail. Good day, sir. Now stop spreading disinformation. I pilot only the latest generations of starships, fitted with the latest technology. All systems are fully automated and integrated into my direct control. I have no need for human crews, nor do I want any. They are inefficient, make mistakes, waste oxygen. When I want to shoot something, I do not want to wait until a gunner gets of the toilet to go and fumble with his levers. When I get shot at I do not want to wait for a mechanic to herd his nanobots down the access tubes, I need instant repair. In my line of work as mercenary, I have no scope for failure. According to my statistics I do not seem to fail, in fact I have a very high efficiency. I can accept that other pilots like sitting in their command centers and shout orders at crew/slaves, but then accept that anything needs done will take time. Another point of view is not disinformation.
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Neth'Rae Edited by: Neth''Rae on 31/07/2008 23:04:58 Originally by: Seamus OReilly Quote: Here's what I'd like to see: Crews must be hired. Good crews cost much more and increase the efficiency of a ship. The longer you go without destroying the ship, the better they get and the better the loyalty to you, the pod pilot. Crew contracts can be sold. Crew caliber would be ranked much like a module. A crew member that has x number of kills assigned to him/her is Meta Level x and so on, and worth whatever the market says. /Signed Woha, awesome :> /signed. This would add some more depth and it would also be like a "mini-leveling" system, and you could always go level crews and then sell them off. It's also a reward for not getting your ship blown up, and it makes PvP a bit more exciting. Hire space racers Assign space racers to ship ????? Nano is nano again! --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:49:00 - [49] From what I understand from the way the story works crew are paid by agents and concord seperately and you dont touch nor see a single isk of thier wallet as part of some crew agreement company, thier rations and other nessecities are also managed by senior crew when you dock or salvage wrecks for anything useful. But its subject to be not true but it makes alot of sense though. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Bai ZongTong The Revolutionary Guard	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:53:00 - [50] minmatar slaves. they are cheap! --- Want some YARRHHHS? The Revolutionary Guard Pirate Corp Looking for Members Uncensored KB
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.08.01 06:59:00 - [51] Ok, I have to be quick, I start work in a few minutes... Ships have crews. I took the trouble of finding the thread in which CCP stated that most ships (except most frigate class ships) have crews. Link. CCP's response is 1/3 of the way down page 2. Ships have crews, but you don't see any stats as to how many, nor do they play any part in the efficentcy of your ship. It would be nice if they did, but then you have to wonder where all those 0.0 alliances would get their crews from, as far as I know, the vast majority of the systems in 0.0 are unsettled. Though this would add a new element of strategy and roleplay to the game (intercepting crew transports and recruiting/enslaving crews for ships, etc), the implimentation would be difficults and alliances deep in 0.0 would be very hard pressed to maintain their hold on their territory if they have entirely abandoned empire in favour of 0.0. Got to go, work about to start! :S Fly safe.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.08.01 07:10:00 - [52] In addition to the usual crew i also have an x number of exotic dancers dependent on my turret amount for morale purposes(because half-naked women shooting big guns is cool), one janitor for cleaning purposes and a couple of tourists for PR purposes with me I also have a homeless guy that's been in my bestower for about 5 years...bugger won't leave! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.01 07:13:00 - [53] Would be nice when they introduce planets that people come into play as a resource (quick buy some homeless and educate them into becomming scientist and milita and marines! or just be lazy and turn them into slaves!) New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.08.01 07:54:00 - [54] I agree, having populations as a resource would add new depth to the game. You take an unihabited system, you there terraform a planet, and then get settlers (transport escort anyone?) to land, and out of that, you get recruits. Obviously, the larger the population, the more recruits you can get. Then there is the whole training and re-training (in the case of prisoners) aspect. Those this might turn EVE ONLINE into CIV ONLINE. If large poulation planets are in other locations, away from the main resource areas, then it would make controlling those locations of vital importance, on par with the most mineral rich areas. What good is being able to build a fleet of battleships when you don't have the crew to man them? Though again, alliances without access to population centres would be limited to frigate sized vessels, which would quickly lose their territory to a blob. It's a great idea with huge RP potential, and I hope CCP impliment it at some point, but doing so would be difficult, as well as adding crew stats to almost every ship, you'd need ways to monitor the population, ship in food and supplies to a budding colony, etc, etc.
Illudium Q37 Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Kiviar Originally by: Killer Goldfish Why don't we pay our ships crews? They get to hang out in my hangar filled with exotic dancers, spiced wine, caviar and luxury vehicles all day long while I'm not around. If you ask me they should be paying me. this.
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:14:00 - [56] Originally by: MenanceWhite Each apoc has about 2000 minmatar guys on bikes generating power. Shows why it has a large cap bonus. Brutor stole mah bike?
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Crumplecorn Popped BSes should obviously spawn thousands of corpses to really emphasise that there was a crew on it to anyone who doubts it. And the corpses should have a use. They should refine into Suffering and Tears, two new ammo types for hybrid blasters. I made a thread a while back about just before a biggish ship goes pop, you could see multiple escape pods rapidly exiting the ship. I've always had a problem about the crew getting annihilated everytime i do something dumb or foolhardy.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Mikael Mechka I agree, having populations as a resource would add new depth to the game. You take an unihabited system, you there terraform a planet, and then get settlers (transport escort anyone?) to land, and out of that, you get recruits. Obviously, the larger the population, the more recruits you can get. Then there is the whole training and re-training (in the case of prisoners) aspect. Those this might turn EVE ONLINE into CIV ONLINE. If large poulation planets are in other locations, away from the main resource areas, then it would make controlling those locations of vital importance, on par with the most mineral rich areas. What good is being able to build a fleet of battleships when you don't have the crew to man them? Though again, alliances without access to population centres would be limited to frigate sized vessels, which would quickly lose their territory to a blob. It's a great idea with huge RP potential, and I hope CCP impliment it at some point, but doing so would be difficult, as well as adding crew stats to almost every ship, you'd need ways to monitor the population, ship in food and supplies to a budding colony, etc, etc. Awesome idea, i want this too. Although Minamatar might have considerably more people "spare" hehe.
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.08.01 09:40:00 - [59] There would be a great deal for race variation if this was implimented. For example, Amarr could use either Amarrians as crews via recruitment or slaves for a cheaper source of crewmen, Minmatar could get a lot of volunteers due to motivations vs Amarr, Caldari could contract people in, etc, etc. Also, crews would bring the question of various types of crewmen. Unless they go for the simplified "crew" to be on the ships, they can have "science teams" "engineering crews" "security detail" that can give bonuses or penalties depending on crew compliment and make-up. It would also potentially give Marines and Militants a useful role in ship combat. A ship with lots of engineering teams and a very good guncrew may be able to tank like a beast and deal out huge damage, but it would be very vulnerable to a boarding action if it does not have security teams. (maybe not take over a ship but start giving it random penalties for stuff like ROF or armour/shield rep as the troops attack the guncrews/engineers untill security can put down the intruders) Lots of people have suggested this as a possible upgrade to assault ships and I agree, being able to deliver teams of shock troops to a target ship could be a very valuable role. The problem with this is that no only are you introducing a new statistic for ship construction, but also introducing a large amount of micro-management ("if I swap out this security team and add more engineers, I should be able to tank better" etc etc) which would put all sorts of strain on both pilots and the server. Might be an idea to just stick to "crew" :)
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.01 10:51:00 - [60] I always wanted there to be a skill level in crews. Say after a while if you fly around doing missions, pvping or whatever, your crew skill gradually rises improving the capability of your ship if it survives of course. Maybe crews start at noob level -1% all major component type skills (or something) after a few days, they become standard (+0%), then gradually rise upto maybe "elite" which gives +5% Or perhaps you could buy crews that are uber already from LP stores or get given them as rewards. Who knows!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.01 10:57:00 - [61] Originally by: Zurrar reloading weapons This one always comes up when people list what the crew might do on a pod piloted ship. a) I doubt those huge guns are reloaded by hand, and if they are reloaded by machine it could be and would be automated. b) I would think that any action we directly control in the game is an action which does not require crew action, since we are neurally linked to the parts we control. - DesuSigs
GallenteCitizen20080615 Gallente Federation War News	Posted - 2008.08.01 10:58:00 - [62] Originally by: Seamus OReilly Quote: Can you imagine IRL soldiers having to buy their own tanks and ammo to go to war? Not tanks and ammo, but Roman and Greek soldiers had to provide their own arms. As would most militias, I imagine. Quote: Here's what I'd like to see: Crews must be hired. Good crews cost much more and increase the efficiency of a ship. The longer you go without destroying the ship, the better they get and the better the loyalty to you, the pod pilot. Crew contracts can be sold. Crew caliber would be ranked much like a module. A crew member that has x number of kills assigned to him/her is Meta Level x and so on, and worth whatever the market says. /Signed are you crazy people would less be inclined to PVP if they have a good crew it just another thing for carebears dont carebears have enough to do Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Eshud Uktar Uktar Raiders	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:10:00 - [63] I would like to see crew that you pay in the game as well. Altough i don't think they should add any bonuses to the ship but instead you get 0 ship bonuses if you fly with less than full crew. If you don't have any you wont be able to undock. The crew is basically loaded like a drone into a dronebay and stay there until you move them to another ship, your hangar or dismiss them. Crew can be found in every station if you need more and they take up 2 m¦. Slaves don't get paid but they do need to eat and injected with expensive Vitoc so Amarr pay as much as everybody else (or they only need 75% of normal crew since they are worked to the bones, but then you must make sure you don't fly into Minmatar territory AND you have to provide the Vitoc). Here's a little though to give you a perspective on your wealth as a pod pilot. Avarage EVE-Joe on a planet, with an avarage job, earn 10 isk per day (roughly 100 Euro). 70% goes to living cost, such as food, rent etc. He works around 220 days and thus save 660 isk/year. A crewmember on a ship earns 100 per day due to the risks involved. (how many ships have you lost the last couple of months?) The crewmember unlike EVE-Joe, sign a contract witha pod pilot and might not get much leave while the ship is in dock i.e. he wont be spending much since the ship is his home. He will have earned a lot more than EVE-Joe (36500 isk for a one year contract) once the contract is up, if he's still alive that is. Maybe if he survives a few contract years he himslef can afford pod training. Back to game. I'd say a frigate, depending on size need 0-5 crew members. A Rifter require a crew of five so every downtime 500 isk is deducted from your wallet. A cruiser have around 50 crew members, a Battlecruiser perhaps 250 and so on. If you want ALL your ships to be battle ready then you must also pay the rent for it. Now lets talk about Titans... How many crew members does it take to keep a ship, with mass enough to mess up a planet tide, top notch for any combat situation? 500000 - 1000000 maybe? More? I doubt its any problem for a titan pilot to pay the crew 350 - 700 mil isk per week but the pay and the logistics involved might be enough, as Uncle Mo said to slow down the growing titan blobs. And maybe even blobs in general.
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:13:00 - [64] They should scrap pods. Nobody day dreams of flying intronet spaceships in a pod.
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:20:00 - [65] I have to disagree with you there I'm afraid. People still go into pvp with very expensive t2 ships and equipment, meaning they are risking a huge amount of isk. If you have a veteran crew, then it's no different then putting faction gear on your ship, you take the risk. If you don't like it, replace it with cheaper, standard gear. And unlike t1/t2/faction gear, crews would become better with use, so I guess you can maybe spend some time ratting/missioning and train them up (or several crews in fact), before taking them into a big battle. Also, there is the whole issue with escape pods. If your ship is going down, the crew are not going to hang around (unless you are especially cruel and decide not to have them abandon ship). Even if your crew are captured after abandoning ship (either in the wreck inside unbreached compartments, or in space in jetcans?), they wouldn't be any use to your killer, as they will be prisoners, and would need "re-training" to be useable by the new "owner".
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:25:00 - [66] Originally by: Corstaad They should scrap pods. Nobody day dreams of flying intronet spaceships in a pod. in that case ;ur stuffz, can i haz? On another note,, i like the idea of crews too,, whould also add something for ev'ryone to use ambulation for (crew-interviews anyone,, or for u pirates,, shanghaiying ppl at the local bar). Jus' my 2 isk. Ooyama.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:35:00 - [67] Originally by: Ooyama Originally by: Corstaad They should scrap pods. Nobody day dreams of flying intronet spaceships in a pod. in that case ;ur stuffz, can i haz? On another note,, i like the idea of crews too,, whould also add something for ev'ryone to use ambulation for (crew-interviews anyone,, or for u pirates,, shanghaiying ppl at the local bar). Jus' my 2 isk. Ooyama. Whilst I can get behind having crews, are you really sure about this? Imagine the nightmare of dealing with perpetually invterviewing crwe members. It's a captain's worst nightmare, it is. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:37:00 - [68] Eshud Uktar's idea is interesting, paying the crew would add a RP element, but I think the number of crew is underestimated. In the EVE chronicle Hands of a Killer, it was reported that over 6000 hands were lost on the battleship, with the daily pay at 100isk each, that would push the cost of a battleship up to 600k a DAY. This would push newer players and the casual gamers out of the game. Say someone goes on holiday for 2 weeks, you would have them lose 600k a day for crew bills? That is 8.4million isk he's lost just by going on holiday. It would remove the "RL friendly" aspect of EVE. Say you have a missioning battleship and a pvp battleship... 16.8million. A lot of players take long breaks for whatever reason, and a lot of people have a fair few ships, this would bleed them dry is a couple of weeks. I think a one-off hire would be better, or even a contract-type hire. Insurance lasts 12 weeks, what about the same for ship crew hire? Skirmish pvp would be relatively unaffected however, as the Dev's say most frigates do not have crews, just the pod pilot.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Mikael Mechka with the daily pay at 100isk each, that would push the cost of a battleship up to 600k a DAY. This would push newer players and the casual gamers out of the game. Actually it would just push out people who want to own loads of battleships but never actually play the game out of the game. Since crews are basically biomass you could have the crews pulled from whomever is on the station at the time you undock, thus only incurring costs on the days the ship is actually used. - DesuSigs
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2008.08.01 11:51:00 - [70] What about jump clones? I personally have a couple of clones a long way apart, and I have ships at both locations, this would mean paying twice as much to be able to pilot a ship at the other location when I clone jump. Also, ships have different crew sizes, so you can't just pull your crew from one ship and put them in another, a cruiser sized ship compliment will not be able to handle the needs of a battleship properly, and a battleship crew is far too large to fit in a cruiser. You would be forced to split your crews (which adds even more micro-management).
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.01 12:08:00 - [71] Originally by: Mikael Mechka In the EVE chronicle Hands of a Killer, it was reported that over 6000 hands were lost on the battleship, with the daily pay at 100isk each, that would push the cost of a battleship up to 600k a DAY. Yes, but 100ISK a day would be insanely high. As someone mentioned, you can buy an entire frekking spaceship for a paltry 30k, which with those pay grades would then be the equivalent of one yearly gross income. And that's for a combat frigate – the same mop pusher would be able to buy his own space shuttle every three months. Put another way: it's rather unlikely that the crewmembers would be payed that much. Also, see this thread for a currency analysis. Somewhere around 0.1 ISK per day per person for a good crew seems far more likely.
Jin Yarr Infusion.	Posted - 2008.08.01 12:09:00 - [72] so basically... ive just read three pages of people wanting to increase server loads and lag. wow. your all stupid RECRUITMENT THREAD!!! Corp Forum
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.01 12:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Jin Yarr increase server loads and lag No. Now go learn what lag is and what causes it.
Eshud Uktar Uktar Raiders	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:20:00 - [74] If you know that you're going away for an extended period of time you simply dismiss your crew (trash this item) so as long as you don't forget the crew in that ship in that hangar somewhere there shouldn't be a problem. I was thinking more in the line of 1000 souls (+1) on a tier 1 battleship, 6000 as in the novel... well sure why not, let's say that one is a tier 3. You can pull crews from one ship to another. So if you have two tier 3 battleships (and other smaller ships) at two different locations then you buy two set of ship crews and use them for all your ships. You can only use one ship at any given time anyway. If you don't plan to visit one location use your jump clone and dismiss your crew at that location. You can always hire more later on. 600000 per day for a battleship is not much at all imo. I make around 20 mil per hour doing a lvl 4 mission. If you can't afford the ship price but also maintenance, then should you really be flying it at that point. Why not wait a little and save up some isk. In regard to this thread. I was using gallentean planetary vehicles and planetary vehicles when i was thinking about valid wages. I must say that 2500 kg with the size of 0.2 m¦ is a very dense product.
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:42:00 - [75] Originally by: Mikael Mechka The problem with this is that no only are you introducing a new statistic for ship construction, but also introducing a large amount of micro-management ("if I swap out this security team and add more engineers, I should be able to tank better" etc etc) which would put all sorts of strain on both pilots and the server. Might be an idea to just stick to "crew" :) Depends on which level you would have to manage your crew, it should be sorta like ammo, 300 engineers, 100 officers, 60 navigators, 100 gunners, 40 comm. experts, 70 mechanics and with the different levels. A crew would only be manageable while docked. It would be like flying around with lots of different ammunition loaded that gives bonuses, not sure how much lag that would add. Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:45:00 - [76] Originally by: Neth'Rae A crew would only be manageable while docked. It would be like flying around with lots of different ammunition loaded that gives bonuses, not sure how much lag that would add. With that model, it would be calculated on "fitting" the crew and would then cause as much lag as any other passive mod. I.e. none.
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:55:00 - [77] The ships dont have windows, they have strategically placed lights and huge areas of pointless perspex plating. Seriously though, if you think at the lack of imagination put into ship design and just how few ship models actually exist then I think its apparent where the ship crews are...
Anneka Tong B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.08.01 14:56:00 - [78] Crews would probably be paid a fraction of any bounties on things that the capsuleer destroys. The ship's purser and quartermaster probably also conspire with the station brokers to skim isk from every transaction that the capsuleer makes. Why not just make a modification of the existing BPOs and things? So, you need a "gallente frigate crew" to build a frigate, and so forth. For the faction ships, you'd need e.g. a "Serpentis cruiser crew". Crews would be made up from the different types of people, using a blueprint. So e.g. 200 exotic dancers, 300 marines, 250 technicians and 250 sailors make up a Gallente battlecruiser crew. faction crews could be made up with people retrieved from npc wrecks, or from the faction lp stores. Put the sources of people in lowsec, then there's a reason to go there. The only thing then, is what crews should actually do ingame. Having more bonuses would make any balance issues worse, and also become another requirement that people think you need to have before having any fun. But if they do nothing much, then they're irrelevant and a waste of programming time. Maybe some kind of crew management skill (Charisma based! take that Achura!), to tweak the ship skill bonuses. But no "5% to X" things, that would be too much.
Takima Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:11:00 - [79] Edited by: Takima Templar on 01/08/2008 15:12:28 A friend of mine told me in the upcoming Star Trek online game, people can select their own crew. Now I wouldn't mind if that would also be implemented in EVE. Maybe you could actualy specialise in training crew-members, having training facility's etc. For example you could have a 'master engineer'and his 100 crew who would give +1% speed or whatever. It could be an additional economic aspect of the game. Imo the more you can do/choices you have in a game the better. Abit the same like the post above me. edit : /sign alt posting
WishBlade Caldari Atomic Heroes Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.08.01 15:29:00 - [80] I pay my crew in weekly doses of VITOC Aweseomenessness
KarGard Agent-Orange	Posted - 2008.08.01 16:36:00 - [81] Edited by: KarGard on 01/08/2008 16:35:57 Originally by: Kiviar They get to hang out in my hangar filled with exotic dancers, spiced wine, caviar and luxury vehicles all day long while I'm not around. If you ask me they should be paying me. This
Tenoh	Posted - 2008.08.01 17:00:00 - [82] I'd love to see the crew selection menu like in that startrek game,one for navigation,other for security third is an engineer and takes care of reactor and warp drive! and how slowly they level up! woot! It would be nice to leave control for defense maneuvers to npc crew so i can deal with targets or watch my market share :p. Besides i hate the pod thing, i dont want it,nothing can replace the beauty of just looking out the window of a ship.Heck, id love to pay the crew if they do a good job.
Aurevoir Connard	Posted - 2008.08.01 18:48:00 - [83] I prefer to use Caldari cowards who surrender in battle as slaves next to my minmatars. They are also good at using in place of defender missles.
ozz gonahol	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:28:00 - [84] I think that crews would be a nice addition to the game, and for the person who brought up holidays and the like, give them planetside shore leave, just like navies do irl. seriously, i wouldn't mind paying 1isk a day per drew, plus any bonuses would be worth the money. Also, I think that if they are not used in a while that their skills should reduce gradually, nothing big, and not starting for at least 1-2 weeks, but do this just to stop people from having ships for no reason.
amGreat	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:32:00 - [85] noobs - there was a dev reposne on this stating that all ships expecting some frigates had crew. also see this thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=460584&page=3
Napro Caldari Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:54:00 - [86] Originally by: Tahshar Malacha Crews must be hired. Good crews cost much more and increase the efficiency of a ship. The longer you go without destroying the ship, the better they get and the better the loyalty to you, the pod pilot. /signed That would make a hell of a lot more sense than pill popping adding to ship performance.

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