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no013
Minmatar Stormwolf Holdings LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.03 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: no013 on 03/08/2008 22:21:38 Well I give it that the matar race has its quality in its storyline and appearances, but its playability is subpar to other races and ever increasing so due to the past few patches and the impending speed nerfing patch. Artillery cannons = Worst Dps, tracking, range and ammo cap. No cap... Why do we need cap for anything els if your sniping. |
elorran
Minmatar Department of Defence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 00:51:00 -
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Oh for the love of TomB's underwear. Speed isn't being nerfed, stupid speed is being nerfed. Minmatar will still have a reasonable advantage in speed over other races, just like in the older ages of war when tanking was actually logical. - - Department of Defence - Hydra Alliance |
Captain Porter
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Porter on 04/08/2008 01:04:33
Originally by: Seishomaru Eureka! I finnaly understood why minmatar is being basically removed from usable combat race status in next patch!
Please provide proof that they are "being basically removed from usable combat", without mentioning anything that deals with nanos or speed.
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elorran
Minmatar Department of Defence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Porter Please provide proof that they are "being basically removed from usable combat", without mentioning anything that deals with nanos or speed.
Because our bald shiny heads are to powerful with their blinding reflectiveness. Those amarr are so afraid we'll reflect their lasers back at them that they demanded we be nerfed! - - Department of Defence - Hydra Alliance |
Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Angevian on 04/08/2008 01:30:24 I was actually going to go down the road of Minnie specialization before this mega nerf....
I can fly all T1 ships, but all my T2 ones are Caldari... No question, Minmatar will be the WORST race to fly after this. They are in even worse situation than Amarr were before their recent boost.
Minmatar ships are:
1. Fragile (worst tanks in game)
2. Dependant on speed
3. Skill intensive because you need drone, projectile, and missile skills
Take the speed away, and they don't work at all.
Sad thing is my Caldari missile boats are going to get a huge boost.
Now, missile boats DID need a pvp boost... But not this!
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Amandin Adouin
It's always a 'dear friend of mine' or 'my corp mate'... why don't you actually create a Matari character and see for yourself. Also, while the tempest and cane *may* be okay now on the live server, things do not look bright for them if these changes go through. btw the Tempest is universally considered to be one of the worst bs's now. I know it used to good, when alpha was in the game, but now...? Alot of people are stuck in the past, when the Pest was a good ship. Please actually create a Matari character before you go saying 'they're fine'.
You are an idiot.
Having said that I'll now proove it. The only part of my post you seem to have read was it's not my Tempest. Nope it was my Abaddon. My shreaded, thank got that was for fun and not real, yay I still have it, hopelessly outmatched Abaddon. [only 1k dps and a 100k effective tank]
That tepmest has obscene tank and gank at resonable range.
I don't need to roll a mini char to learn what you have. I've fought you, fought you for three years and I know. Well set up Matari are dangerous. The ships are so flexibal you never know what it's going to do.
As for that nonsense about "universally considered" did you poll the universe? I rather doubt it. The Tempest and the Rokh both have frightening tank capacity. Lots of matari ships can put out he hurt and since you don't need your cap to shoot you can have a lot more fun with cap intensive nasty surprises like Neuts.
If I knew then what I know now about Minis' I would likely have rolled one. As things stand I read lasers and picked Amarr. It's now a point of pride not to cross train.
Both the matari and the amarr are skill intensive. We get a lot of weenies training the FOTM for our ships when they are in the limelight, Curse [until the ECM and Nos nerf] Nano crap now [Pending the much deserved fix.]
The real players adapt to balancing, look foward to learning the new rules of combat and realize that training the FOTM is stupid. It never lasts.
-Galan
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Aria Selenis
Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.04 05:12:00 -
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I believe the above poster is confusing the Maelstrom and the Tempest.
The Mael is the one with the tanking bonus. The 'pest has an 8/5/6 slot layout, IE, nowhere to fit a tank that matches up to the "standard" (IE, 6 slot shield tank, 7-8 slot armor tank).
In fact, the Maelstrom is universally superior as a lone ship. The benefit of the Tempest is that it has two utility slots for remote repairs (Or neuts, if you like.). It also uses no cap with it's guns, and has plenty of midslots for sensor boosters/eccm/etc...
So, it's not a solo ship or an enormous tanker. No minmatar ships are (save for the nano's, which aren't doing so well with this patch. ).
But, as always, EFT isn't everything. Minmatar ships are versatile. Use this to your advantage. You don't have to outgank a Megathron in EFT to be as useful as one.
Also, did I miss the Memo where we decided that every Minmatar ship had to be speed tanked to have an advantage in agility / speed?
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias You are an idiot.
Having said that I'll now proove it. The only part of my post you seem to have read was it's not my Tempest. Nope it was my Abaddon. My shreaded, thank got that was for fun and not real, yay I still have it, hopelessly outmatched Abaddon. [only 1k dps and a 100k effective tank
That tepmest has obscene tank and gank at resonable range.
I don't need to roll a mini char to learn what you have. I've fought you, fought you for three years and I know. Well set up Matari are dangerous. The ships are so flexibal you never know what it's going to do.
As for that nonsense about "universally considered" did you poll the universe? I rather doubt it. The Tempest and the Rokh both have frightening tank capacity. Lots of matari ships can put out he hurt and since you don't need your cap to shoot you can have a lot more fun with cap intensive nasty surprises like Neuts.
If I knew then what I know now about Minis' I would likely have rolled one. As things stand I read lasers and picked Amarr. It's now a point of pride not to cross train.
Both the matari and the amarr are skill intensive. We get a lot of weenies training the FOTM for our ships when they are in the limelight, Curse [until the ECM and Nos nerf] Nano crap now [Pending the much deserved fix.]
The real players adapt to balancing, look foward to learning the new rules of combat and realize that training the FOTM is stupid. It never lasts.
-Galan
Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game.
The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: ApaKaka Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game.
The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately.
Clearly I do have them confused, thanks Aria.
I was refering to the Tier 3 bs from hell. I may have seen Clear Skies a few too many times though. (It features the other one.)
Reguardless, you are an idiot and I didn't know the name of the ship. I do know to call the damn things primary unless they have EWAR or NEUT support. (Thank devs for the little picture on the lock)
Still you don't address my points, or the points of your fellow Matari. Next you'll be saying the Mini's are doomed because I have bad grammar or misspelled something.
Quit training for the FOTM and learn the full joy of your toybox.
-Galan
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: ApaKaka Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game.
The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately.
Clearly I do have them confused, thanks Aria.
I was refering to the Tier 3 bs from hell. I may have seen Clear Skies a few too many times though. (It features the other one.)
Reguardless, you are an idiot and I didn't know the name of the ship. I do know to call the damn things primary unless they have EWAR or NEUT support. (Thank devs for the little picture on the lock)
Still you don't address my points, or the points of your fellow Matari. Next you'll be saying the Mini's are doomed because I have bad grammar or misspelled something.
Quit training for the FOTM and learn the full joy of your toybox.
-Galan
Right, I'm going to listen to someone who doesn't know which ship is which in the minmatar lineup, and learns PVP through Clear Skies
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:24:00 -
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Last time I checked, Running away at high speed wasn't combat.
Oh damn, you mean we actually have to fire our autocannons now?
Gah. I'm totally quitting. Who wants my stuff?
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: elorran Oh for the love of TomB's underwear. Speed isn't being nerfed, stupid speed is being nerfed. Minmatar will still have a reasonable advantage in speed over other races, just like in the older ages of war when tanking was actually logical.
Uhh.. Yeah. If only stupid speed was being nerfed they would be nerfing only snakes, polys and deadspace MWDs... and well they better ****ing nerf Pulse laser tracking back down a bit if there is going to be nothing that can orbit at over 5km/s now is there?
Stupid speed is not being nerfed, they are nerfing the only useful speed counter (Huginn, Rapier) by killing webs and not giving the ship a new bonus to speed reduction. I personally like my solo huginn, and there is not a lot of ways to get the damage output needed to kill many ships (drake for instance) without fitting damage mods, which would mean... oh yeah, less tank for a race that is already in a f-ing multiple personality disorder frenzy over primary weapon systems and tanks...
I'm just glad I can fly a sleipnir very soon, as it seems to be my only minmatar option for the type of flying I like to do.
Don't get me wrong, I can fly other races. I just don't find any of them remotely enjoyable other than my gankathron which is gonna have some issues with range if my MWD gets cut off... ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar! |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:38:00 -
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Deja vu Amarr thread!
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Last time I checked, Running away at high speed wasn't combat.
Oh damn, you mean we actually have to fire our autocannons now?
Gah. I'm totally quitting. Who wants my stuff?
I would almost bother checking to see how many kills you have in any ship type, but you appear to be a spineless alt.
And yes, I fire my autocannons very happily. But when your 'tank' is either going to be two mid slots or 3 low slots... tell me please, why I should not fit a MWD to run the hell away? ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar! |
techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: ApaKaka Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game.
The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately.
Clearly I do have them confused, thanks Aria.
I was refering to the Tier 3 bs from hell. I may have seen Clear Skies a few too many times though. (It features the other one.)
Reguardless, you are an idiot and I didn't know the name of the ship. I do know to call the damn things primary unless they have EWAR or NEUT support. (Thank devs for the little picture on the lock)
Still you don't address my points, or the points of your fellow Matari. Next you'll be saying the Mini's are doomed because I have bad grammar or misspelled something.
Quit training for the FOTM and learn the full joy of your toybox.
-Galan
You've never flown Minmatar have you?
And it's not an issue of training FOTM for some of us... it is a matter of a good portion of my SP being rendered more or less useless. I might as well get podded a few times without a clone to lose some SP so it matches the level I'll have to fight on. ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar! |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.04 10:57:00 -
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Just a simple example on how matari ships can be corrected. Easy.. simple.
On tempest and typhoon , correct the SHield/Armor HP bias. They are armor tankes with more shield than armor. Invert those values. After resists applied that results in usually 10 k more EHP.
Correct Ammo. 2 things. EMP is horribble ammo. Our primary damage shoudl be explosive not EM. Switch fusion with EMP.
Make Highest damage projectile ammo equal damage ammount to antimatter and to multifrequency.
Be sure minmatar are still slightly more agile than other races.
ONLY THAT. Very simple stuff.. VEry simple. And I cannot beleive anyone can call them TO ASK TOO MUCH. Only change those things and the minmatar BS will be at least more on par with other races. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.05 11:50:00 -
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only amar on sisi have more mass and less agility than minmatar now. well how you like it?
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Jazlina
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Posted - 2008.08.05 13:08:00 -
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First off ROFL at nano whiners who dont know how to play any other way. Welcome to Eve Online, and the world the rest of us live in.
I think its incredible how one dimentional nano whiners are. Because speed is being reduced by a well warranted amount they think its being reduced 100%. They dont seem to comprehend that speed will still be there and that mwd will go much faster than AF still. Hmmm, amazing.
Just becuase it is being lowered does not mean it is non-existant. Please adjust your limited brain capacity and try to understand that.
Last. I agree, how many YEARS did we amarr players say that we were underpowered and needed a boost??? 3??? And then finally they gave us a minor boost but we still have plenty of problems. Keep that in mind.
Also, I have min ships as an amarr character. Why? Becuase they are fun and I enjoy flying them. Guess what? They arent even nanoed (GASP!) They are CONVENTIONAL, and they are still competitive. So, please evaluate your thinking or I shall have to laugh at you some more.
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Amandine Andoiun
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.05 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Amandine Andoiun on 05/08/2008 13:33:26 You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Many of us aren't 'nano-er's, I don't fly nano ships at all. And I think the nanos needed a nerf. Many of us just think that CCP is going about fixing things in a way that will severely screw up the Minmatar race in general. Nerf nanos. But give us Minmatar something else - fix our issues that were being masked by the Nanos (Artillery, clip sizes, optimal ranges, inverted armor/shield ratios, split weapon types and split bonuses, etc, etc).
Also Jaz, you know that on the test server, the Matari ships aren't even the lightest/most agile anymore, right? They're not going to be so fun for you to fly, either.
One more thing, speed being reduded across the board affects the Minmatar the most, it's a matter of percentages (20% of 1000 is alot more than 20% of 50). Since we were the fastest ships, we are being hit the hardest. Do you think you can wrap your limited brain around that ...? :)
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.08.05 13:35:00 -
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What sort of an idiot think they will be an unplayable race?, oh, about half the thick people on this forum :(
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Amandin Adouin
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Posted - 2008.08.05 13:35:00 -
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And don't even mention the Amarr right now. Right, you still have plenty of problems :) I think you need some more buffs :)
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