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Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.08.03 02:54:00 - [1] Eureka! I finnaly understood why minmatar is being basically removed from usable combat race status in next patch! CONCORD revenge for the yulai station! CONCORD noobs! Cannot loose a fight without goign cry to devs so they punish the mataris that kicked their butts!
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.03 04:32:00 - [2] whine more can I have your stuff? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.03 04:39:00 - [3] If the only fitting you knew for minmatar was a copy-paste godmode speed fitting then TBH I hope you quit over it.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.03 05:02:00 - [4] Top secret video of Minmatar pilot ready room. Top Secret Video
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.03 05:16:00 - [5] I chose minmitar because it was the best looking avatar I could create. found out later I had to train everything to make good fitted minmitar ships... then I discovered interceptors and have preffered them ever since. what can I say... I like being small and fast. well, I wouldn't be a dedicated eve player if I didn't adapt to change...even if the change is overboard, unnecessary in implementation and down right stupid. Search: Sky Grunthor
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.03 05:34:00 - [6] We blew up the station with Naglfar's and Tempest's two of our crapiest shps even with our crappy artillery and a split weapon system dread with a horrible tank we out match concord
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.08.03 07:30:00 - [7] Hahaha, well lets face it Minmatar rock. CCP even had to nerf faction warfare after the TLF took a half dozen systems in the first couple of weeks. Now it seems nigh on impossible to to gain enough VP in time to get a system vulnerable. Now I like a fast ship as much as the next Thukker half breed but I also fly some meaty tankers, snipers and E-War ships. Minmatar are a race of versitility. We have all these split systems to reflect that. Just look at all the roles you can fit a Typhoon for for instance. While the need to train a broad spectrum of skills is a drawback at first that can be overcome by specialising in one or two ship types first, then cross training. i.e. do armour tankers first, then train shield tankers. Specialise in inties before snipers, whatever you fancy. The end result is that if you stick mostly with Minmatar ships whenever something gets rebalanced you have the broad skills to quickly adapt to the new environment. I reckon all the whiners that wanted to see the Vagabond (self proclaimed fasted cruiser in the game and you are suprised it's fast!?!?!) killed off will get a nasty suprise after this patch. The Minmatar are famous for guerilla warfare. A large part of that is speed and agility. Traverse a large area of space before the enemy can lock down systems, get some kills then get out while they are still in confusion. Some of the most fun PvP for me is taking 5-6 guys in fast ships and going to pick off ships in a fleet of 40 odd sluggish battleships. Now a lot of people will say this is proof that speed is uber but the fact is you can't easily kill a mosquito with a cannon, so bring a fly swat. Those who know speed know how to trap a fast ship and cut it in half. All of this has been argued to death. I still want guerilla warfare to be an option, BS in fleet formation don't pump my nads. I just hope that with testing and feedback from the test server that CCP have the wisdom to do this right. Anyone concerned with how this will play out should get on Singularity and join the testing. Give contructive feedback and ideas to the devs. At the end of the day we'll adapt and the people who can't think beyond "30 BS Focus Fire" will still die. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.08.03 07:35:00 - [8] /hears the sirens whining even in space... Waaaaabulance comming through!! ......
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.08.03 08:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Now a lot of people will say this is proof that speed is uber but the fact is you can't easily kill a mosquito with a cannon, so bring a fly swat. Those who know speed know how to trap a fast ship and cut it in half. All of this has been argued to death. It's cheating when the mosquito has malaria...
Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 08:19:00 - [10] Nano whines the fastest. -Galan CSM fails nano

Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.08.03 08:26:00 - [11] I fly Minmatar ships, I don't care about the nano 'nerf', I don't think I care about the other changes either. I'm quite happy with what they're doing. Amidoingitwrong?
Pegleg Punk Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.03 08:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Tzar'rim I fly Minmatar ships, I don't care about the nano 'nerf', I don't think I care about the other changes either. I'm quite happy with what they're doing. Amidoingitwrong? Nano, nano! Originally by: Naga Saddow [16:38:06] "i must admit for an ahole ur pretty funny"
CRUSH BOSS Caldari BigMek Industries GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.03 08:54:00 - [13] And that ladies and gentlemen; is why we call them "pubbies". We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE Don't troll in your signature please. -Hango
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.08.03 11:43:00 - [14] Just to clarify. I am FAVOR of speed nerf. But contrary to most people here I passed 5 days in the test server. And I am terrified by the concept that now mimatar ships are the HEAVIEST of all the ships. And cannot accelerate or even turn. What you think of a vagabond that to orbit a bs at 10 km must reduce its speed to 500ms? Because faster than that and its not agile enough to keep under scrambler range? So yes, Minmatar IS DEAD as of SISI patch. Worse tank, worse capitals, shortest range sniper, Alpha strike worths ntohing due to HP increases, barely faster than ammar, lower capacitor ammount, lowest damage ships, heaviest ships, cannot use MWD puling to try control range anyore (so AC with barrage are worthless now). So did I missed anything?
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.03 12:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Seishomaru Just to clarify. I am FAVOR of speed nerf. But contrary to most people here I passed 5 days in the test server. And I am terrified by the concept that now mimatar ships are the HEAVIEST of all the ships. And cannot accelerate or even turn. What you think of a vagabond that to orbit a bs at 10 km must reduce its speed to 500ms? Because faster than that and its not agile enough to keep under scrambler range? So yes, Minmatar IS DEAD as of SISI patch. Worse tank, worse capitals, shortest range sniper, Alpha strike worths ntohing due to HP increases, barely faster than ammar, lower capacitor ammount, lowest damage ships, heaviest ships, cannot use MWD puling to try control range anyore (so AC with barrage are worthless now). So did I missed anything? There's just no point in posting well thought out and informed opinions here.. people will not read it, and just tell you your tears taste delicious. Your best bet will be posting in the Game Development forum's speed feedback thread. But I would personally start crosstraining other races already...
elorran Minmatar Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.03 13:28:00 - [16] Please don't let them nerf my nano-snail - - Department of Defence - Hydra Alliance
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.03 13:40:00 - [17] They Might be the worst shps after the nerf (not that i aggree they will be) but a decent player will still be able to kill you in it.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Sky Grunthor well, I wouldn't be a dedicated eve player if I didn't adapt to change...even if the change is overboard, unnecessary in implementation and down right stupid. It is you. You are the stupid one. Quoted the proof.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:16:00 - [19] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2008 15:16:31 Originally by: Seishomaru Just to clarify. I am FAVOR of speed nerf. But contrary to most people here I passed 5 days in the test server. And I am terrified by the concept that now mimatar ships are the HEAVIEST of all the ships. And cannot accelerate or even turn. What you think of a vagabond that to orbit a bs at 10 km must reduce its speed to 500ms? Because faster than that and its not agile enough to keep under scrambler range? So yes, Minmatar IS DEAD as of SISI patch. Worse tank, worse capitals, shortest range sniper, Alpha strike worths ntohing due to HP increases, barely faster than ammar, lower capacitor ammount, lowest damage ships, heaviest ships, cannot use MWD puling to try control range anyore (so AC with barrage are worthless now). So did I missed anything? So train something else. At least minnie ships will be even easier targets now. I dont agree they are dead, but the list of good ships is getting short enough to list on the fingers of the hand... --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:35:00 - [20] Edited by: Rooker on 03/08/2008 16:41:34 Edited by: Rooker on 03/08/2008 16:37:35 Fine. Minmatar ships will suck horribly once they can't break 10,000m/s. If they can't go at least that fast, they might as well be a noobship. PVP doesn't happen at lower speeds. Totally agreed. Everybody please contract all your Hurricanes, Muninns, Thrashers, autocannons, arty, EMP M/S, Barrage M/S and Tremor M/S to Rooker and I'll dispose of all that in an environmentally friendly manner. /edit: Oh, and your Ruptures too. // and your Rifters /// Fark ftw -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot

Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.03 17:22:00 - [21] Edited by: Frug on 03/08/2008 17:23:11 Originally by: Seishomaru What you think of a vagabond that to orbit a bs at 10 km must reduce its speed to 500ms? Because faster than that and its not agile enough to keep under scrambler range? I think it's pretty funny that you're whining about the inability of your cruiser to go faster at a 10km orbit. There's so much nonsense in that whine, I don't know where to begin. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Seishomaru Eureka! I finnaly understood why minmatar is being basically removed from usable combat race status in next patch! CONCORD revenge for the yulai station! CONCORD noobs! Cannot loose a fight without goign cry to devs so they punish the mataris that kicked their butts! they are only removing free range minmatar.
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:25:00 - [23] Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/08/2008 18:25:48 Some of you guys are grossly over-simplifying the issue. The super fast speeds these Minmatar nano ships had actually masked all the issues with Matari ships as a whole (low tank, poor weapon range, damage, etc). And even though some Matari ships are still faster than their counterparts from other races, they lost their competitive edge w/out the large speed buffer = they actually needed the ludicrous speeds just to mask all their other short fallings. The fact is that this last nerf (following all the others that affected Matari ships) has pushed the whole race into a no-man's zone, where we have no competitive edge and have to work three times as hard just to be as good as the rest of the races.
Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/08/2008 18:25:48 Some of you guys are grossly over-simplifying the issue. The super fast speeds these Minmatar nano ships had actually masked all the issues with Matari ships as a whole (low tank, poor weapon range, damage, etc). And even though some Matari ships are still faster than their counterparts from other races, they lost their competitive edge w/out the large speed buffer = they actually needed the ludicrous speeds just to mask all their other short fallings. The fact is that this last nerf (following all the others that affected Matari ships) has pushed the whole race into a no-man's zone, where we have no competitive edge and have to work three times as hard just to be as good as the rest of the races. Fail A dear friend of mine flies a Tepest with 1k/s dammage output and a 2k/s tank. The cane can be unholy. Mini's will be fine, FOTM training weenies will fail. Which are you? -Galan CSM fails nano
Wayson Minmatar Trans Nebula Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:36:00 - [25] I was debating whether to crosstrain into Gallente; thanks CCP for helping me to decide. :S I don't like nanos any more than anyone else but it was about the only thing that we Minmatar had going for us. ___ Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late.
Delencia Lakat	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/08/2008 18:25:48 Some of you guys are grossly over-simplifying the issue. The super fast speeds these Minmatar nano ships had actually masked all the issues with Matari ships as a whole (low tank, poor weapon range, damage, etc). And even though some Matari ships are still faster than their counterparts from other races, they lost their competitive edge w/out the large speed buffer = they actually needed the ludicrous speeds just to mask all their other short fallings. The fact is that this last nerf (following all the others that affected Matari ships) has pushed the whole race into a no-man's zone, where we have no competitive edge and have to work three times as hard just to be as good as the rest of the races. Let's not forget the Amarrian players (yes, like myself) who need to have crazy-ass cap skills - need to keep the targets at an exact range to do anything - needed to cope with nos issues before it was nerfed - need to have AWU 5 to fit anything useful...etc....etc...etc...
Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Galan Amarias Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/08/2008 18:25:48 Some of you guys are grossly over-simplifying the issue. The super fast speeds these Minmatar nano ships had actually masked all the issues with Matari ships as a whole (low tank, poor weapon range, damage, etc). And even though some Matari ships are still faster than their counterparts from other races, they lost their competitive edge w/out the large speed buffer = they actually needed the ludicrous speeds just to mask all their other short fallings. The fact is that this last nerf (following all the others that affected Matari ships) has pushed the whole race into a no-man's zone, where we have no competitive edge and have to work three times as hard just to be as good as the rest of the races. Fail A dear friend of mine flies a Tepest with 1k/s dammage output and a 2k/s tank. The cane can be unholy. Mini's will be fine, FOTM training weenies will fail. Which are you? -Galan It's always a 'dear friend of mine' or 'my corp mate'... why don't you actually create a Matari character and see for yourself. Also, while the tempest and cane may be okay now on the live server, things do not look bright for them if these changes go through. btw the Tempest is universally considered to be one of the worst bs's now. I know it used to good, when alpha was in the game, but now...? Alot of people are stuck in the past, when the Pest was a good ship. Please actually create a Matari character before you go saying 'they're fine'.
Amandine Andoiun Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Delencia Lakat Let's not forget the Amarrian players (yes, like myself) who need to have crazy-ass cap skills - need to keep the targets at an exact range to do anything - needed to cope with nos issues before it was nerfed - need to have AWU 5 to fit anything useful...etc....etc...etc... Give me a break. Amarr are actually borderline op right now. Do you just argue for the sake of it?
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:54:00 - [29] Edited by: NightmareX on 03/08/2008 18:54:44 Those who say Tempest and Vagabond sucks on sisi now have NEVER, i mean NEVER EVER tested out a Tempest and Vagabond WITH a good setup. You are either a serious noob in the game or you can only use shitty setups on the Tempest or the Vagabond if you think those 2 ships are crap now. If you have seen my Tempest on sisi now, also in fights against others, then you know why the Tempest owns. So far i have been fighting 6-7 Megathrons, 2 Maelstroms, 1 Kronos. And i have killed 5 Megathrons, 2 Maelstroms with my tempest, to only 2 Tempest losses. The Kronos was down at 10% structure when i popped. But that was only because i managed to blow up one gun earlier in the fight. So i only had 5 guns in maybe like 70% of the fight. So if i didn't had overloaded my guns to much and have had all 6 guns, i would kill that Kronos to in my Tempest. So again, anyone who whine that Tempest / Typhoon or Vagabond sucks, they are players that should NEVER EVER be allowed to fly the Minmatar race.
Delencia Lakat	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Amandin Adouin Originally by: Galan Amarias Originally by: Amandin Adouin Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 03/08/2008 18:25:48 Some of you guys are grossly over-simplifying the issue. The super fast speeds these Minmatar nano ships had actually masked all the issues with Matari ships as a whole (low tank, poor weapon range, damage, etc). And even though some Matari ships are still faster than their counterparts from other races, they lost their competitive edge w/out the large speed buffer = they actually needed the ludicrous speeds just to mask all their other short fallings. The fact is that this last nerf (following all the others that affected Matari ships) has pushed the whole race into a no-man's zone, where we have no competitive edge and have to work three times as hard just to be as good as the rest of the races. Fail A dear friend of mine flies a Tepest with 1k/s dammage output and a 2k/s tank. The cane can be unholy. Mini's will be fine, FOTM training weenies will fail. Which are you? -Galan It's always a 'dear friend of mine' or 'my corp mate'... why don't you actually create a Matari character and see for yourself. Also, while the tempest and cane may be okay now on the live server, things do not look bright for them if these changes go through. btw the Tempest is universally considered to be one of the worst bs's now. I know it used to good, when alpha was in the game, but now...? Alot of people are stuck in the past, when the Pest was a good ship. Please actually create a Matari character before you go saying 'they're fine'. Have you ever even SEEN a video of a guy like Cown in a Tempest...?

no013 Minmatar Stormwolf Holdings LLC	Posted - 2008.08.03 22:21:00 - [31] Edited by: no013 on 03/08/2008 22:21:38 Well I give it that the matar race has its quality in its storyline and appearances, but its playability is subpar to other races and ever increasing so due to the past few patches and the impending speed nerfing patch. Artillery cannons = Worst Dps, tracking, range and ammo cap. No cap... Why do we need cap for anything els if your sniping.
elorran Minmatar Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.04 00:51:00 - [32] Oh for the love of TomB's underwear. Speed isn't being nerfed, stupid speed is being nerfed. Minmatar will still have a reasonable advantage in speed over other races, just like in the older ages of war when tanking was actually logical. - - Department of Defence - Hydra Alliance
Captain Porter	Posted - 2008.08.04 01:04:00 - [33] Edited by: Captain Porter on 04/08/2008 01:04:33 Originally by: Seishomaru Eureka! I finnaly understood why minmatar is being basically removed from usable combat race status in next patch! Please provide proof that they are "being basically removed from usable combat", without mentioning anything that deals with nanos or speed.
elorran Minmatar Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.04 01:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Captain Porter Please provide proof that they are "being basically removed from usable combat", without mentioning anything that deals with nanos or speed. Because our bald shiny heads are to powerful with their blinding reflectiveness. Those amarr are so afraid we'll reflect their lasers back at them that they demanded we be nerfed! - - Department of Defence - Hydra Alliance
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.08.04 01:29:00 - [35] Edited by: Richard Angevian on 04/08/2008 01:30:24 I was actually going to go down the road of Minnie specialization before this mega nerf.... I can fly all T1 ships, but all my T2 ones are Caldari... No question, Minmatar will be the WORST race to fly after this. They are in even worse situation than Amarr were before their recent boost. Minmatar ships are: 1. Fragile (worst tanks in game) 2. Dependant on speed 3. Skill intensive because you need drone, projectile, and missile skills Take the speed away, and they don't work at all. Sad thing is my Caldari missile boats are going to get a huge boost. Now, missile boats DID need a pvp boost... But not this!
Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Amandin Adouin It's always a 'dear friend of mine' or 'my corp mate'... why don't you actually create a Matari character and see for yourself. Also, while the tempest and cane may be okay now on the live server, things do not look bright for them if these changes go through. btw the Tempest is universally considered to be one of the worst bs's now. I know it used to good, when alpha was in the game, but now...? Alot of people are stuck in the past, when the Pest was a good ship. Please actually create a Matari character before you go saying 'they're fine'. You are an idiot. Having said that I'll now proove it. The only part of my post you seem to have read was it's not my Tempest. Nope it was my Abaddon. My shreaded, thank got that was for fun and not real, yay I still have it, hopelessly outmatched Abaddon. [only 1k dps and a 100k effective tank] That tepmest has obscene tank and gank at resonable range. I don't need to roll a mini char to learn what you have. I've fought you, fought you for three years and I know. Well set up Matari are dangerous. The ships are so flexibal you never know what it's going to do. As for that nonsense about "universally considered" did you poll the universe? I rather doubt it. The Tempest and the Rokh both have frightening tank capacity. Lots of matari ships can put out he hurt and since you don't need your cap to shoot you can have a lot more fun with cap intensive nasty surprises like Neuts. If I knew then what I know now about Minis' I would likely have rolled one. As things stand I read lasers and picked Amarr. It's now a point of pride not to cross train. Both the matari and the amarr are skill intensive. We get a lot of weenies training the FOTM for our ships when they are in the limelight, Curse [until the ECM and Nos nerf] Nano crap now [Pending the much deserved fix.] The real players adapt to balancing, look foward to learning the new rules of combat and realize that training the FOTM is stupid. It never lasts. -Galan CSM fails nano
Aria Selenis Minmatar AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.08.04 05:12:00 - [37] I believe the above poster is confusing the Maelstrom and the Tempest. The Mael is the one with the tanking bonus. The 'pest has an 8/5/6 slot layout, IE, nowhere to fit a tank that matches up to the "standard" (IE, 6 slot shield tank, 7-8 slot armor tank). In fact, the Maelstrom is universally superior as a lone ship. The benefit of the Tempest is that it has two utility slots for remote repairs (Or neuts, if you like.). It also uses no cap with it's guns, and has plenty of midslots for sensor boosters/eccm/etc... So, it's not a solo ship or an enormous tanker. No minmatar ships are (save for the nano's, which aren't doing so well with this patch. ). But, as always, EFT isn't everything. Minmatar ships are versatile. Use this to your advantage. You don't have to outgank a Megathron in EFT to be as useful as one. Also, did I miss the Memo where we decided that every Minmatar ship had to be speed tanked to have an advantage in agility / speed?
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.04 06:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Galan Amarias You are an idiot. Having said that I'll now proove it. The only part of my post you seem to have read was it's not my Tempest. Nope it was my Abaddon. My shreaded, thank got that was for fun and not real, yay I still have it, hopelessly outmatched Abaddon. [only 1k dps and a 100k effective tank That tepmest has obscene tank and gank at resonable range. I don't need to roll a mini char to learn what you have. I've fought you, fought you for three years and I know. Well set up Matari are dangerous. The ships are so flexibal you never know what it's going to do. As for that nonsense about "universally considered" did you poll the universe? I rather doubt it. The Tempest and the Rokh both have frightening tank capacity. Lots of matari ships can put out he hurt and since you don't need your cap to shoot you can have a lot more fun with cap intensive nasty surprises like Neuts. If I knew then what I know now about Minis' I would likely have rolled one. As things stand I read lasers and picked Amarr. It's now a point of pride not to cross train. Both the matari and the amarr are skill intensive. We get a lot of weenies training the FOTM for our ships when they are in the limelight, Curse [until the ECM and Nos nerf] Nano crap now [Pending the much deserved fix.] The real players adapt to balancing, look foward to learning the new rules of combat and realize that training the FOTM is stupid. It never lasts. -Galan Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game. The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately.
Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.04 06:24:00 - [39] Originally by: ApaKaka Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game. The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately. Clearly I do have them confused, thanks Aria. I was refering to the Tier 3 bs from hell. I may have seen Clear Skies a few too many times though. (It features the other one.) Reguardless, you are an idiot and I didn't know the name of the ship. I do know to call the damn things primary unless they have EWAR or NEUT support. (Thank devs for the little picture on the lock) Still you don't address my points, or the points of your fellow Matari. Next you'll be saying the Mini's are doomed because I have bad grammar or misspelled something. Quit training for the FOTM and learn the full joy of your toybox. -Galan CSM fails nano
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.04 06:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Galan Amarias Originally by: ApaKaka Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game. The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately. Clearly I do have them confused, thanks Aria. I was refering to the Tier 3 bs from hell. I may have seen Clear Skies a few too many times though. (It features the other one.) Reguardless, you are an idiot and I didn't know the name of the ship. I do know to call the damn things primary unless they have EWAR or NEUT support. (Thank devs for the little picture on the lock) Still you don't address my points, or the points of your fellow Matari. Next you'll be saying the Mini's are doomed because I have bad grammar or misspelled something. Quit training for the FOTM and learn the full joy of your toybox. -Galan Right, I'm going to listen to someone who doesn't know which ship is which in the minmatar lineup, and learns PVP through Clear Skies

Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:24:00 - [41] Last time I checked, Running away at high speed wasn't combat. Oh damn, you mean we actually have to fire our autocannons now? Gah. I'm totally quitting. Who wants my stuff?
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:36:00 - [42] Originally by: elorran Oh for the love of TomB's underwear. Speed isn't being nerfed, stupid speed is being nerfed. Minmatar will still have a reasonable advantage in speed over other races, just like in the older ages of war when tanking was actually logical. Uhh.. Yeah. If only stupid speed was being nerfed they would be nerfing only snakes, polys and deadspace MWDs... and well they better ****ing nerf Pulse laser tracking back down a bit if there is going to be nothing that can orbit at over 5km/s now is there? Stupid speed is not being nerfed, they are nerfing the only useful speed counter (Huginn, Rapier) by killing webs and not giving the ship a new bonus to speed reduction. I personally like my solo huginn, and there is not a lot of ways to get the damage output needed to kill many ships (drake for instance) without fitting damage mods, which would mean... oh yeah, less tank for a race that is already in a f-ing multiple personality disorder frenzy over primary weapon systems and tanks... I'm just glad I can fly a sleipnir very soon, as it seems to be my only minmatar option for the type of flying I like to do. Don't get me wrong, I can fly other races. I just don't find any of them remotely enjoyable other than my gankathron which is gonna have some issues with range if my MWD gets cut off... ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:38:00 - [43] Deja vu Amarr thread!
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Last time I checked, Running away at high speed wasn't combat. Oh damn, you mean we actually have to fire our autocannons now? Gah. I'm totally quitting. Who wants my stuff? I would almost bother checking to see how many kills you have in any ship type, but you appear to be a spineless alt. And yes, I fire my autocannons very happily. But when your 'tank' is either going to be two mid slots or 3 low slots... tell me please, why I should not fit a MWD to run the hell away? ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar!
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Galan Amarias Originally by: ApaKaka Who's the idiot? If you knew anything about minmatar BS, you'd know Tempest has the worst tank of all BS in the game. The Maelstrom now, that has a good tank, but it's a Tier-3 BS, and the Rokh will beat it both damage- and tank-wise unfortunately. Clearly I do have them confused, thanks Aria. I was refering to the Tier 3 bs from hell. I may have seen Clear Skies a few too many times though. (It features the other one.) Reguardless, you are an idiot and I didn't know the name of the ship. I do know to call the damn things primary unless they have EWAR or NEUT support. (Thank devs for the little picture on the lock) Still you don't address my points, or the points of your fellow Matari. Next you'll be saying the Mini's are doomed because I have bad grammar or misspelled something. Quit training for the FOTM and learn the full joy of your toybox. -Galan You've never flown Minmatar have you? And it's not an issue of training FOTM for some of us... it is a matter of a good portion of my SP being rendered more or less useless. I might as well get podded a few times without a clone to lose some SP so it matches the level I'll have to fight on. ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.04 10:57:00 - [46] Just a simple example on how matari ships can be corrected. Easy.. simple. On tempest and typhoon , correct the SHield/Armor HP bias. They are armor tankes with more shield than armor. Invert those values. After resists applied that results in usually 10 k more EHP. Correct Ammo. 2 things. EMP is horribble ammo. Our primary damage shoudl be explosive not EM. Switch fusion with EMP. Make Highest damage projectile ammo equal damage ammount to antimatter and to multifrequency. Be sure minmatar are still slightly more agile than other races. ONLY THAT. Very simple stuff.. VEry simple. And I cannot beleive anyone can call them TO ASK TOO MUCH. Only change those things and the minmatar BS will be at least more on par with other races. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.05 11:50:00 - [47] only amar on sisi have more mass and less agility than minmatar now. well how you like it?
Jazlina	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:08:00 - [48] First off ROFL at nano whiners who dont know how to play any other way. Welcome to Eve Online, and the world the rest of us live in. I think its incredible how one dimentional nano whiners are. Because speed is being reduced by a well warranted amount they think its being reduced 100%. They dont seem to comprehend that speed will still be there and that mwd will go much faster than AF still. Hmmm, amazing. Just becuase it is being lowered does not mean it is non-existant. Please adjust your limited brain capacity and try to understand that. Last. I agree, how many YEARS did we amarr players say that we were underpowered and needed a boost??? 3??? And then finally they gave us a minor boost but we still have plenty of problems. Keep that in mind. Also, I have min ships as an amarr character. Why? Becuase they are fun and I enjoy flying them. Guess what? They arent even nanoed (GASP!) They are CONVENTIONAL, and they are still competitive. So, please evaluate your thinking or I shall have to laugh at you some more.
Amandine Andoiun Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:31:00 - [49] Edited by: Amandine Andoiun on 05/08/2008 13:33:26 You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Many of us aren't 'nano-er's, I don't fly nano ships at all. And I think the nanos needed a nerf. Many of us just think that CCP is going about fixing things in a way that will severely screw up the Minmatar race in general. Nerf nanos. But give us Minmatar something else - fix our issues that were being masked by the Nanos (Artillery, clip sizes, optimal ranges, inverted armor/shield ratios, split weapon types and split bonuses, etc, etc). Also Jaz, you know that on the test server, the Matari ships aren't even the lightest/most agile anymore, right? They're not going to be so fun for you to fly, either. One more thing, speed being reduded across the board affects the Minmatar the most, it's a matter of percentages (20% of 1000 is alot more than 20% of 50). Since we were the fastest ships, we are being hit the hardest. Do you think you can wrap your limited brain around that ...? :)
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:35:00 - [50] What sort of an idiot think they will be an unplayable race?, oh, about half the thick people on this forum :(

Amandin Adouin	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:35:00 - [51] And don't even mention the Amarr right now. Right, you still have plenty of problems :) I think you need some more buffs :)


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