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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.08 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Abrazzar Why is Jade filling half the slots with his stuff and where the hell are the rest of the council members? Shouldn't there be like 9 or something?
We are working on "larger" issues, in terms of actual size and reach(Though I'm working on smaller issues too, a number of them even). Also the submission date is not for another week, so there is still plenty of time.
Interesting. Is there a place where you announced what those "larger" issues are and I can read up on them? At the moment it kinda looks as if you just do your thing and to hell with the rest of the players. More positive publicity might be a good idea for the CSM...
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.08 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Interesting. Is there a place where you announced what those "larger" issues are and I can read up on them? At the moment it kinda looks as if you just do your thing and to hell with the rest of the players. More positive publicity might be a good idea for the CSM...
Well, I can only speak for myself: Right now, I don't have much to show(Been on holiday the last week, so have really not had time). But look out for it on the market discussion forum, I will be posting much more about it there.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.08.09 04:57:00 -
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I'm confused.
Jade is being criticized for advancing his agenda (shock! horror! surprise!), yet *two* Goon CSMs aren't being criticized for not aggressively advancing their agendas. 'Squeaky wheel gets the oil' etc.
Isn't the job of the CSM to advocate their position? Maybe the posters in this thread should be demanding the CSMs who represent their positions to push for *their* agendas?
I guess you could keep deriding people who are obviously dedicated to seeing their vision realized instead of fighting for your positions, then whine after it's too late to block changes you don't like --- like you're doing now.
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Fahtim Meidires on 09/08/2008 16:13:32
Originally by: Mr Friendly I'm confused.
Jade is being criticized for advancing his agenda (shock! horror! surprise!), yet *two* Goon CSMs aren't being criticized for not aggressively advancing their agendas. 'Squeaky wheel gets the oil' etc.
Isn't the job of the CSM to advocate their position? Maybe the posters in this thread should be demanding the CSMs who represent their positions to push for *their* agendas?
I guess you could keep deriding people who are obviously dedicated to seeing their vision realized instead of fighting for your positions, then whine after it's too late to block changes you don't like --- like you're doing now.
You're missing a key point. In some of these issues, the status quo is the desired outcome by some delegates (the opinion that nothing needs to be changed in that particular area), and arguing against new ideas that they disagree with is fighting for your position.
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Toman Jerich
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Fahtim Meidires
Also are we going to see other 0.0 proposals from more delegates?
If you have in mind an idea you like, just post it in the assembly hall on a non-goonswarm alt. Jade will make sure it gets on the agenda.
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Toman Jerich
Originally by: Fahtim Meidires
Also are we going to see other 0.0 proposals from more delegates?
If you have in mind an idea you like, just post it in the assembly hall on a non-goonswarm alt. Jade will make sure it gets on the agenda.
Time to make a posting alt. WindPipeJammer?
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iselljunk
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Posted - 2008.08.10 07:17:00 -
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Add a topic. There should be a way to replace the CSM head rep once you find out the one you elected is a total moron and has no idea about anything except roll playing a girl so he can meet boys online and get confronted by Chris Hansen and end up in jail with his front teeth knocked out.
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Detlev Cree
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:35:00 -
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Could we please have fleet battle lag discussed as an issue at the meeting? It has been raised a number of times - for example http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=834954 - and surely has enough support for explicit discussion.
Agreed that some of the sovereignty ideas might well have a bearing, but many of us would like to see epic battles work well, whatever changes are made to sov, and it would be good to understand from CCP what is possible and what their priorities are.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.10 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Detlev Cree Could we please have fleet battle lag discussed as an issue at the meeting? It has been raised a number of times - for example http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=834954 - and surely has enough support for explicit discussion.
Agreed that some of the sovereignty ideas might well have a bearing, but many of us would like to see epic battles work well, whatever changes are made to sov, and it would be good to understand from CCP what is possible and what their priorities are.
Yes, fix the lag. We know, CCP knows, and by now most Tibetan monks probably know. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.10 18:32:00 -
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I'm back from Holidays today, so will be attending.
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Detlev Cree
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Posted - 2008.08.10 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto [Yes, fix the lag. We know, CCP knows, and by now most Tibetan monks probably know.
What makes you think CCP know? The only quote I've seen from CCP on fleet battle issues comes from further up this thread as follows: "Nathan (CCP) said that he does not believe that current large-scale fleet combat is interesting for the participants, mainly due to focus fire."
That comment didn't come from someone who has experienced fleet battle's current issues. Ism't it worth discussing this explicitly with CCP rather than just saying 'yes yes, of course everyone knows about that' ?
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.10 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Detlev Cree
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto [Yes, fix the lag. We know, CCP knows, and by now most Tibetan monks probably know.
What makes you think CCP know? The only quote I've seen from CCP on fleet battle issues comes from further up this thread as follows: "Nathan (CCP) said that he does not believe that current large-scale fleet combat is interesting for the participants, mainly due to focus fire."
That comment didn't come from someone who has experienced fleet battle's current issues. Ism't it worth discussing this explicitly with CCP rather than just saying 'yes yes, of course everyone knows about that' ?
They know about lag. You don't need to tell them about lag at all.
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Detlev Cree
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Posted - 2008.08.10 19:57:00 -
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Is there a problem with putting it on the issues list? It isn't there currently
Is there a problem with discussing it in the CSM meeting? Surely it would be worthwhile.
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.10 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Detlev Cree Is there a problem with putting it on the issues list? It isn't there currently
Is there a problem with discussing it in the CSM meeting? Surely it would be worthwhile.
I wouldn't be opposed to knowing exactly what they are doing to improve performance.
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Lia Gaeren
Caldari Pole Dancing Vixens
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Posted - 2008.08.10 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Yes, fix the lag. We know, CCP knows, and by now most Tibetan monks probably know.
Those Tibetan monks are wise, and surely know the answers to all questions. Maybe CSM should discuss sending Nozh to Tibet to find out what the solution is
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Phoenix Tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.10 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine The impression I get from reading you posts is that feel that people interested in raiding and opposing settlements in 0.0 have no right to opinion in the direction the game should develop and I strongly disagree with you. Eve is a game for all the players and I don't believe the current space holders in 0.0 have the right to veto any change that might make their job of holding territory more challenging.
That's exactly how it works. CCP spin the wheel of nerf, and sledgehammer whatever it lands on (nano this time). Usually while at the same time completely ignoring screwed ships and mechanics for months and months (black-ops, cyno jammers, jumpbridges, bombs, range rig stacking bug etc etc.)
Of course the players and particpants in whatever style of play don't get a say. CCP don't give a crap what you think.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Detlev Cree
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Yes, fix the lag. We know, CCP knows, and by now most Tibetan monks probably know.
What makes you think CCP know? The only quote I've seen from CCP on fleet battle issues comes from further up this thread as follows: "Nathan (CCP) said that he does not believe that current large-scale fleet combat is interesting for the participants, mainly due to focus fire."
That comment didn't come from someone who has experienced fleet battle's current issues. Ism't it worth discussing this explicitly with CCP rather than just saying 'yes yes, of course everyone knows about that' ?
1) The majority of CCP employees play Eve. And, from all the stats I've heard, they lean far more heavily towards 0.0 and PvP careers than the player base as a whole. Remember, the scandal wasn't about T2 BPOs being given to Caldari Provisions.
2) The devs read the forums, and since any new thread on Eve General has a 12.7% chance of being about lag of one sort or another, I think they'd have clued in by now.
3) They've been at work building a new server for months now.
Yeah, I think they know. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Drolus
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Posted - 2008.08.11 19:46:00 -
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Ok, I don't care about ANY of the above issues, but fair enough lets look at them. But could just ONE of the CSM's look at drones please? (No damage notifications, no T2 mods, UI etc.etc.etc.)
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
CCP ask CSM to help them come up with proposals to reform sovereignty warfare in 0.0
Originally by: CCP Wrangler ....and CCP asked the CSM and the players to come up with concrete suggestions how to improve 0.0 warfare and sovereignty.
Enough said really.
CSM and the players CSM and the players CSM and the players
You forgot something when you made the highlighted post. Everyone else .
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
CCP ask CSM to help them come up with proposals to reform sovereignty warfare in 0.0
Originally by: CCP Wrangler ....and CCP asked the CSM and the players to come up with concrete suggestions how to improve 0.0 warfare and sovereignty.
Enough said really.
CSM and the players CSM and the players CSM and the players
You forgot something when you made the highlighted post. Everyone else .
The majority of the idea were originally proposed by :everyone else: and the CSM gave their support or didn't. It's not Jade's fault that he's sponsoring all of them.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:35:00 -
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I too am concerned that Jade is the CSM member with the largest amount of issues on this list. Why is this? Are there no other CSM members that have issues to bring up that are supported by the players?
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh I too am concerned that Jade is the CSM member with the largest amount of issues on this list. Why is this? Are there no other CSM members that have issues to bring up that are supported by the players?
Jade is the most liberal about seeing topics he likes and bringing them forward. Others tend to only bring up issues they feel strongly about. I wish that more would be brought forward, because there's too many good topics that just sink without being noticed, but I don't think that the CSM wants to spend twice as much time on meetings in order to bring forward everything, or that CCP would thank them if they did. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Gonada
Gallente R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:09:00 -
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all I'd like to know is wtf are Goons doing as CSM's?
nothing like having the ultimate carebear, lying, exploiting, cheating, corp having a say in the future of the game.
Please, jump into traffic
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada all I'd like to know is wtf are Goons doing as CSM's?
Probably because they were voted in.
Quote:
nothing like having the ultimate carebear,
gonna have to elaborate there ...
Quote: lying, exploiting,
condoned by EVE ...
Quote: cheating,
but follow the EULA ...
Quote: corp having a say in the future of the game.
I guess the largest corp brings in a little bit of game experience.
But its OK. You're the first person to point this out. The very first one. You should bring more topics like this into the spotlight.
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Lia Gaeren
Caldari Pole Dancing Vixens
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lia Gaeren on 13/08/2008 21:25:10 Edited by: Lia Gaeren on 13/08/2008 21:19:18
Originally by: Gonada all I'd like to know is wtf are Goons doing as CSM's?
nothing like having the ultimate carebear, lying, exploiting, cheating, corp having a say in the future of the game.
Real carebears don't lie, exploit or cheat. Goons may claim to be the ultimate carebears but they clearly suck at it, and I'm not afraid to say so!
Speaking AS a carebear though, I'm actually glad that there are Goons as CSMs. Sure I don't enjoy playing the game in the same way they do, and I might never agree with more than one word in twenty that they say, but they do represent the interests of a large section of the player base, and have a good deal of experience in their playing arena, and some of them are even intelligent and atriculate. No, really!
What would be absolute hell would be a CSM made up of nothing but Empire huggers too afraid to step into low sec for fear of being ganked (that's me!). We need a decent cross-section of the playing population to make the CSM actually useful and to look at all sides of any issue before submitting it to the Kingdom of Devness in Icelandia.
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Empire Runner
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Posted - 2008.08.15 00:03:00 -
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I'd like an update from CCP about the state of industry in EVE.
Rorqual - Is it filling the niche CCP wants ? Orca - Status Report ? Mining - Is mining (in its current incarnation) what CCP wants, if not how are they going to change it. A general a roadmap for where they see Industry going.
Its a big part of EVE, and its getting neglected.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.08.15 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/08/2008 10:53:30 Jade please add...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=839605
...to the agenda - as per recent CSM mails.
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Empire Runner I'd like an update from CCP about the state of industry in EVE.
Rorqual - Is it filling the niche CCP wants ? Orca - Status Report ? Mining - Is mining (in its current incarnation) what CCP wants, if not how are they going to change it. A general a roadmap for where they see Industry going.
Its a big part of EVE, and its getting neglected.
(Quarterly Economics Blogs?)
Isn't the next expansion about industry?
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.08.16 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/08/2008 09:58:02 In case anyone's interested, here's the stuff I intend to put on the agenda.
1) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=844584&page=1 Mission improvements
2) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=844059&page=1 Remote Jumpclone Destruction
3) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=823901 Small Anchorable Structures
4) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=817813 Irky Drone Behavior
5) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=839971 Drones and Disconnects
Not sure on the 'crazy 0.0 ideas' yet, I think that needs a lot more discussion. ---
Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.16 10:30:00 -
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What's the point in the deadline? Nobody seems to be keeping it.
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