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Callistus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:31:00 -
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You're a ****** Davlos. ------------
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe Kicking everyone out of the channel that agreed with me
Jonny explained the reasons for those kicks right then and there, you know.
You were allowed to stay in "spite" of your conduct since you are actually a regular in the channel. The odd shouting match doesn't remove anything from that.
But people that join the channel for the sole purpose of expanding a shouting match, such as those that joined it that have pretty much never ever joined that channel before (Vlad, Kyoko, Nadine etc) and immediately throw themselves into it...
I fail to see why we would care to have them in our channel. People that are there ONLY to cause trouble are not welcome. People that are there to be friendly ARE welcome - even if they sometimes (like you) end up in a shouting match.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone "Griefing someone out of the game" because you don't like them personally wasn't.
I said we griefed his "corp" out of the game. Once he quit his corp we left him alone. We have no interest in greifing individual players - we do however have a clear and present in-game motive to attack and destroy nationalist corporations and alliances. Try harder Verone this is getting a bit desperate now.
I only quoted what you said mate, griefing people out of the game because you don't like them just isn't cricket.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Verone I only quoted what you said mate
No, you quote-mined him.
Quote-mining is below you.
Don't do it.
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Shoukei
Caldari Boobs Ahoy
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:35:00 -
[65]
I for one think Jade is awesome and perfectly in sync with EVE spirit that we all promote.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Originally by: Verone I only quoted what you said mate
No, you quote-mined him.
Quote-mining is below you.
Don't do it.
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jade Constantine Must be quite irritating for Davlos to see that his "arch enemy" the anarchist freedom fighter who griefed his little nationalist corp out of the game might get elected as CSM chair for the inaugural session. Eve is full of little ironies.
So you're openly admitting to griefing other players as well now?
Aren't you supposed to be a pirate or something?
Piracy is a valid profession, it was highlighted as a selling point on the origial release cover of the game in 2003.
"Griefing someone out of the game" because you don't like them personally wasn't.
I quoted him directly, not a word swapped around.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:38:00 -
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Having read this thread and the associated chatlog, I am very concerned by Jade's behaviour and the potential consequences it might have.
If this were a video game we were talking about, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but this is...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Verone I only quoted what you said mate, griefing people out of the game because you don't like them just isn't cricket.
You deceitfully misquoted and editorialized actually. But hey, its your reputation.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone I only quoted what you said mate, griefing people out of the game because you don't like them just isn't cricket.
You deceitfully misquoted and editorialized actually. But hey, its your reputation.
I quoted exactly what you posted, which was that you openly said you griefed people (Davlos' corporation) out of the game.
I then responded by saying that piracy is an advertised method of gameplay, while griefing people out of the game because you don't like them isn't.
Take a trip to your local optician mate.
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Nahia Senne
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:44:00 -
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Keep the drama up guys, you're doing good. This is why do we actually pay for this game.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Verone I quoted exactly what you posted, which was that you openly said you griefed people (Davlos' corporation) out of the game.
I said we griefed his nationalist corp out of the game. You tried to claim some higher moral ground by claiming we were griefing individuals players out of game.
You didn't quote me accurately because you couldn't. So this is what you've come down to now Verone? Trying to wriggle in criticisms that the CSM chair is a dirty griefer lol, you're a laughing stock. But do continue its so desperate its a bit amusing. Keep these threads coming, sooner or later you might find something to stick.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Verone ]
I only quoted what you said mate, griefing people out of the game because you don't like them just isn't cricket.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:51:00 -
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Anyone else think this 'Varone' and 'Jade' are probably the same person?
I mean, if it is, they aren't doing a good job at not sounding like the same person. And if it isn't, maybe they're related?
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I quoted him directly, not a word swapped around.
Quotemining is not about swapping words around.
Quotemining is where you selectively quote in order to infer a meaning into said quote that was not intended, usually through omission but also possible to achieve through promoting interpretations that were not intended by the people who uttered the words.
In this specific case, accusing Jade (by support of that quote) of having griefed people out of the game fall quite flat on the fact that the individual in question is actually still in the game.
The quotation would more correctly be interpreted as a view on the perception of the other person - in this case Davlos - who has been on a bitter crusade ever since the corporation and alliance he was in at the time were pretty much flattened in that war. A result that his corporation as an organization as well as the alliance did not survive, but the individuals themselves are still around, as is evident, and for all Jade's purported wish to grief Davlos out of the game there hasn't been a single hostile move against him since.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone I quoted exactly what you posted, which was that you openly said you griefed people (Davlos' corporation) out of the game.
I said we griefed his nationalist corp out of the game. You tried to claim some higher moral ground by claiming we were griefing individuals players out of game.
You didn't quote me accurately because you couldn't. So this is what you've come down to now Verone? Trying to wriggle in criticisms that the CSM chair is a dirty griefer lol, you're a laughing stock. But do continue its so desperate its a bit amusing. Keep these threads coming, sooner or later you might find something to stick.
First off, I didn't start this thread... so that's not my issue, and the person who did isn't in my corporation, so that's also not my issue.
I'm not trying to put criticism on you as being a griefer, I'm simply aknowledging the fact that you admitted you "griefed people out of the game", those are your own words. Read the EULA and you'll find that open and deliberate griefing, regardless of scale whether it be one, or many people isn't cricket.
As for me being a laughing stock, I'm playing internet spaceships mate... you're the one who's gone a step further, ran for CSM which draws outside attention, and has all this negative attention focused on you.
I've got no problem, as a player I'm entitled to my opinion of your CSM leadership if I feel you're doing it wrong, or right.
I'll say again, I've tried to help you in the past, unfortunately YOU chose the route of throwing personal insults around.
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko In this specific case, accusing Jade (by support of that quote) of having griefed people out of the game fall quite flat on the fact that the individual in question is actually still in the game.
As is Nikolai... right?
Well, nik might've been back as Revan, both acted/RPed a lot alike.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Verone I'm not trying to put criticism on you as being a griefer, I'm simply aknowledging the fact that you admitted you "griefed people out of the game", those are your own words. Read the EULA and you'll find that open and deliberate griefing, regardless of scale whether it be one, or many people isn't cricket.
I suggest you answer Tatsue's post above. You were being deliberately deceitful and you have been caught out.
Quote: I'll say again, I've tried to help you in the past, unfortunately YOU chose the route of throwing personal insults around.
You have never been in the least bit helpful in anyway to me or my corporation or the resolution of past disputes Verone. About the only thing I've ever seen from you is image post trolling in chatsubo.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Waragha Haha, nice to see the CSM is in good hands (and that Jade is still a <something i can't say on the forums>).
Though the average IQ/age of that chatroom generally seemed pretty low, i'm sorry to say :)
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine You have never been in the least bit helpful in anyway to me or my corporation or the resolution of past disputes Verone. About the only thing I've ever seen from you is image post trolling in chatsubo.
So the fact that I contacted yourself, and archbishop in an attempt to sort out differences between you two has totally slipped your mind then? Fair enough.
As for the response to Tatsue's post, it's the same as the response to yours. I quoted you directly, after you openly said you'd griefed people out of the game. It's not my problem if you take what I say out of context, however as leader of the CSM, it is YOUR problem if the playerbase takes YOUR posting out of context.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 05/08/2008 01:08:51
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well its a serious point really. Everyone needs privacy to let off steam.
can't disagree with you on that one. we are also players afterall.
Quote: But its ridiculous to have paparazzi spooks following people into chat channels and producing chatlogs to try and scandalize the public.
well yeah this in my opinion is one of the biggest issues with the CSM. Player should NOT run as an in-game character but as a person. Think about it if you got an alt, in the same way any player that gets a job at CCP gets a new user exp*CCP fortress* they can still go in game and ***** and be jerks without anyone knowing they work for CCP.
I believe that you should have to have at least 2 year character to run for CSM but players should not have to run as their main but in fact a whole new persona. like CSM hammer or such. This would stop this silly madness. b ut at the same time we'd lose the fact that players can use thier in-game hostory as a running point.
so the real question is what do we do now?
Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
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Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:07:00 -
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Err, how is this news in any way? Do people not swear or act differently in private than they do in public?
Try asking the guy behind the counter what he really thinks about the customers buying specialty coffees.
Seriously, you people are all kinds of naive.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verone So the fact that I contacted yourself, and archbishop in an attempt to sort out differences between you two has totally slipped your mind then? Fair enough.
Your attempted intervention failed utterly as I recall because of your partiality and bias. The problem between myself and Archbishop was resolved ultimately by one to one dialogue without any involvement of yours. But keep patting yourself on the head for non-existent accomplishments if it bolsters your ego Verone.
Quote: As for the response to Tatsue's post, it's the same as the response to yours. I quoted you directly, after you openly said you'd griefed people out of the game. It's not my problem if you take what I say out of context, however as leader of the CSM, it is YOUR problem if the playerbase takes YOUR posting out of context.
Hitting a corporate/alliance entity so hard in war that all its players leave can be considered "griefing" of course. But thats eve. Thats how wars are won. The argument over this point is that you have attempted to twist my statement about destroying Davlos' old corp into some half-assed accusation about griefing individuals. You refuse to address Tatsue because you cannot address tatue but you are entirely incapable of admitting you are wrong. Hence evasion and bluster is the only option.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 05/08/2008 01:10:15 I'd like to simplfied what I said above.
should we be on the CSM as characters or should we be on the CSM as players?
Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone So the fact that I contacted yourself, and archbishop in an attempt to sort out differences between you two has totally slipped your mind then? Fair enough.
Your attempted intervention failed utterly as I recall because of your partiality and bias. The problem between myself and Archbishop was resolved ultimately by one to one dialogue without any involvement of yours. But keep patting yourself on the head for non-existent accomplishments if it bolsters your ego Verone.
Oh, don't consider this as patting my back, I'm simply stating that I MADE AN EFFORT to help out, even if it was pretty much ignored. I also offered our corporation's Ventrilo server as a neutral ground to talk your issues out with archbishop on several occasions.
Quote:
Quote: As for the response to Tatsue's post, it's the same as the response to yours. I quoted you directly, after you openly said you'd griefed people out of the game. It's not my problem if you take what I say out of context, however as leader of the CSM, it is YOUR problem if the playerbase takes YOUR posting out of context.
Hitting a corporate/alliance entity so hard in war that all its players leave can be considered "griefing" of course. But thats eve. Thats how wars are won. The argument over this point is that you have attempted to twist my statement about destroying Davlos' old corp into some half-assed accusation about griefing individuals. You refuse to address Tatsue because you cannot address tatue but you are entirely incapable of admitting you are wrong. Hence evasion and bluster is the only option.
You're just repeating the same argument again. What I quoted were EXACTLY your words.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/08/2008 01:15:31
No Verone you didn't and thats the problem:
I wrote:
Originally by: Jade Constantine Must be quite irritating for Davlos to see that his "arch enemy" the anarchist freedom fighter who griefed his little nationalist corp out of the game ...
You wrote:
Originally by: Verone Griefing someone out of the game" because you don't like them personally wasn't."
I've underlined the important bits for you.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/08/2008 01:15:31
No Verone you didn't and thats the problem:
I wrote:
Originally by: Jade Constantine Must be quite irritating for Davlos to see that his "arch enemy" the anarchist freedom fighter who griefed his little nationalist corp out of the game ...
You wrote:
Originally by: Verone Griefing someone out of the game" because you don't like them personally wasn't."
I've underlined the important bits for you.
By "griefing his corporation" out of the game, you griefed someone out of the game. I fail to see what you're hinting at other than trying to put a vague argument across to save face based on preference of grammar use.
As for this whole charade, I sincerely hope you're not taking it personally, because I'll say again my comments are regarding your CSM leadership, not you as a player.
You were the one who started with the personal attacks, insulting me personally on an out of game level.
I'm happy to accept an apology for that, and walk away to be honest.
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niroku
Gallente KIA Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:23:00 -
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Congratulations .
I had been wondering for the last week or so after reading some other threads just what the rationale was for all the bad-mouthing of the CSM . I am now enlightened .
I had thought, and hoped that the CSM as a whole was doing all it could to uphold the intentions of CCP, the purpose of the organisation to help improve the EvE experience for its player base and to maintain professionalism and direction .
I kept saying to myself that there couldn't possibly be a major reason for all this negativity surrounding the CSM considering their role, and I hoped that it was mostly impatience on the behalf of the player base since it is still relatively in its infant stages .
Now, because of how members of the CSM have chosen to conduct themselves publicly or otherwise, you have destroyed the credibility of what I believe the CSM was designed to uphold .
Therefore, it appears the CSM has already failed before it ever had a chance to make a difference . All you have done is created yet more unnecessary forum drama .
I'm pretty sure that when Hilmar was discussing the creation of the CSM, *this* is not what he had in mind .
To those of you who have not been instrumental in this fiasco, it is not my intention to insult, but the rest of you should be ashamed .
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero The way you wrote the post made it look like you were saying you made several people in the corp quit via means of griefing. Any human with any sense of coherence would read it that way, because thats how you wrote it. Adding "Nationalist" to it to give it a little RP feel doesnt justify the way you worded it.
Thank you for your clarification Blane, obviously I'm not blind here if someone else sees what I was talking about.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Verone By "griefing his corporation" out of the game, you griefed someone out of the game. I fail to see what you're hinting at other than trying to put a vague argument across to save face based on preference of grammar use.
You are being very disingenuous - almost as if you've never seen a corporation utterly destroyed in Eve before and all the players take their characters onto new corps and alliances elsewhere? We cannot actually destroy characters finally. We can destroy corporations (by forcing all their members to leave). One is aimed at destroying a game construct (the corporation). There is absolutely no "face" to save here from my point of view Verone. I'm very proud of what we accomplished to crushing the Caldari Nationalists in the Kimotoro Directive. It was a great achievement for our alliance at that time. Davlos' character was a victim of war and saw his corp burn and fled the warzone to go onto other things - amongst them membership of your corp I note.
Still this is eve. Its a dark and dangerous universe and such things happen. As for your motivation for these threads Verone I don't pretend to know your mind. If you want to keep stalking its your choice.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.05 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine As for your motivation for these threads Verone I don't pretend to know your mind. If you want to keep stalking its your choice.
There is no motivation, I simply put forward my view that you were doing a bad job leading the CSM. Rather than being proactive and asking me how I thought you could do better, you chose to personally insult me.
As I've said, I'm perfectly happy to accept an apology and move on.
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