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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:37:00 - [31] Sounds a bit smelly. I suggest if you have hard facts and not only some feelings of being unlucky and treated unfairly, then compile the data (the more accurate the better) and send a mail to the Internal Affairs guy.
Crae Matreki Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:57:00 - [32] The amarr have been very busy over the weekend - they may be in small numbers, but they're making them count! Out of interest, am I right in theorising that it's easier to get VP if you've got a huge choice of systems to turn? The Minmatar have been doing so well, I wouldn't be surprised if they've shot themselves in the foot, VP-wise, as all they can do is concentrate on a handfull of systems, whereas the Amarr have loads to choose from!
FlameGlow Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:01:00 - [33] But of course, CCP already wrote the end of war story and Amarr/Caldari are supposed to win, now they only need to make it happen - that is the true reason for speed nerf! Selling tinfoil hats by eve-mail - just send me 10 mil isk and wait till you get it. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:20:00 - [34] Wouldn't surprise me if there was a stalemate mechanic in the code that makes it impossible for one side to take over all opposing systems, lol. Can't have FW to end anytime too soon, no? -------- Ideas for: Mining Ships
Captain Porter	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Well, as we know, it seems that CCP is against Minmatar on the whole, but recently with the system capping rules changed as well as Amarr getting rather dubious "freebies" from CCP giving them systems back which they don't deserve (Huola) and then removing all complexes so it cannot be retaken. Please give linky that backs up your comments. For some reason my search skills suck this morning and I can't find it.
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:33:00 - [36] lol, yeah im sure ccp harbors hate agsent a race in a game they designed.... Further more I seriously doubt anyone is getting anything free, sense FW is providing some very awesome feedback and stats to the developers of eve it wouldnt make any sense to go corrupting the data now would it.... See you can learn so much about mankind by just looking at how they respond to simple things like a shift in the power balance or a nerf in something that is totally and utterly broken. Ohh and by the way.. its not CCP helping the amarr its their gawd instead "Mockanakaknoakdmeamehgyada!!1111!!"
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:34:00 - [37] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/08/2008 15:35:23 Why would CCP care who wins faction warfare? It doesnt matter one bit to them. I think CCP staff has better things to do than to care about who is ahead in faction warfare, unless its because of some bug. Wild allegations like this does nothing unless we all want to be like school girls and gossip all day. I find it pretty unproductive. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:45:00 - [38] OP is stupid. Proof or stfu. I think you should take the latter.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Myra2007 OP is stupid. Proof or stfu. I think you should take the latter. This is far to simple. The op has the feeling that something is very fishy. Obviously he thinks it is unfair mechanics or even worse. If it is true or not, the perception is what counts!! CCP should take this sericous. If players are getting frustrated it is always bad. Doesn't matter much if they get frustrated because something is fishy or because they seriously THINK that something is fishy - the result is the same. I always thought (and mentioned it also when fw hit sisi) that the FW interface is not good enough. It lacks massively statistics. For example should it be possible to inspect each system in detail and see how many sites were captured and how many sites were recaptured/defended by the enemy. Then the perception from people like the op (and he is not alone!) would be impossible. You should just point at the numbers. Yes, I know, there is this new section on the map and colouring stars by offensive/defensive. But that is a joke and by far not detailed enough. Improve the FW interface, add solid numbers for each system etc. and lots of unhappiness and frustration will vanish.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:15:00 - [40] Just because Huola operations weren't advertised in the militia channel where the Minnie alt spies could learn about them, it doesn't follow that there were no such operations. In fact, there were quite a few operations in Huola's constellation in the couple of weeks before it flipped and from what I can see see many of them encountered little or no resistance there. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:20:00 - [41] Let's be completely honest, though. There is a very popular trend, especially among certain people, to think that any time they are losing, it has to be someone else's fault. My little brother, as we were growing up, would get so upset because the playstation games were 'cheating'. I thought this was just the stupidest mentality. But over the years, I keep seeing people stretch as far and wide as possible to find someone else to blame. I'm not in FW, yet. From what little I know of Amarrian FW, is that we are horribly outnumbered, but that we have a few really strong FC's who do amazing jobs. It doesn't help that I also keep hearing about how our FC's can't get along, and how so many Amarrian militia members try to go solo. But this isn't the first time I've heard players boasting about how the devs must love Amarr. First time I heard that I spewed coke over my screen. Really? How long have you been around? We have been on the end of the developers sht list for so long it's not even funny. Seriously, when was the last time Amarr was uber? If your answer was just after EvE went live, you'd be correct. Now there are all kinds of peeps saying that devs favor Amarr, and that's why they are taking away from Minmatar. They use groups like CVA to prove that their ships are inferior ... though, let's be honest, CVA is pretty dmned disciplined, well trained and they work well together. Minmatar have been second-fiddle kings of PvP for as long as I've been around, first place usually going between Caldari and Minmatar, with Gallente supposedly being the stuff to be now. But back on topic, it might just be that Amarr are organized and thourough, hitting you when your not around and blasting where you aren't looking. Our Empire is supposed to be the largest, but our playerbase is the smallest. And we've had a bunch of alts join Amarr so they can play with the underdog. It's not a big stretch of the imagination to see that maybe, just maybe, your losing because we're beating you. I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart, but this sounds about as plausible as the thinking that the president authorized to let the planes hit the World Trade Center. Give me a break. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Myra2007 OP is stupid. Proof or stfu. I think you should take the latter. This is far to simple. The op has the feeling that something is very fishy. Obviously he thinks it is unfair mechanics or even worse. If it is true or not, the perception is what counts!! CCP should take this sericous. If players are getting frustrated it is always bad. Doesn't matter much if they get frustrated because something is fishy or because they seriously THINK that something is fishy - the result is the same. I always thought (and mentioned it also when fw hit sisi) that the FW interface is not good enough. It lacks massively statistics. For example should it be possible to inspect each system in detail and see how many sites were captured and how many sites were recaptured/defended by the enemy. Then the perception from people like the op (and he is not alone!) would be impossible. You should just point at the numbers. Yes, I know, there is this new section on the map and colouring stars by offensive/defensive. But that is a joke and by far not detailed enough. Improve the FW interface, add solid numbers for each system etc. and lots of unhappiness and frustration will vanish. certainty and numbers make me unhappy. you're being selfish. - -
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Gnulpie If players are getting frustrated it is always bad. Doesn't matter much if they get frustrated because something is fishy or because they seriously THINK that something is fishy - the result is the same. You will always find frustrated players. Frustrated about the devs not posting, frustrated about some game flaw, frustrated about ccp not helping them to put their underwear on in the morning. I think a nice big cup of stfu is sometimes the right dish. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Kazuma Saruwatari Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:56:00 - [44] Quote: FW: Are CCP biased? yes. FW is broken anyway, its unusual you noticed -
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Faife certainty and numbers make me unhappy. you're being selfish. Oh, yes? Then Eve is not the right game for you. Because Eve is FULL of numbers. And if you want to successfully pvp (killing ships, market pvp, whatever) you have to like numbers. They are everywhere: ships (Speed, tracking, flight time of missiles, fitting requirements etc.), industry (materials, costs, research, invention stuff...), market (hehe you certainly do not want to mess up the numbers on the market) and heavens knows where all else. Sure you can sit all day in the station and don't care about numbers and just chat happily around - but as soon as you start _playing_ Eve you are confronted with numbers. And that is good! So your 'argument' is just some trolling. Numbers and free display of information is a strength of Eve and it should be extended to FW also.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:09:00 - [46] What's interesting here isnt the amusing suggestion that CCP are 'cooking the books' for FW - but that players are passionate about the slightest hint of 'unfairness' - vis a vis the players in FW care about the result: even though it provides little of no monetary reward or permenance. The hall mark of a succesful game system I would suggest. Id be more worried if players didn't care. C. Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
Nitalya Amarr Das Reich.	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:15:00 - [47] i think the OP is off his meds.... just cause the amarr took back one of the systems you took doesnt mean the devs are trying to kill off the minmitard playerbase. stop crying like a child and stamping your feet.. grow a pair and deal with the fact that maybe just maybe the amarr militia outsmarted you all while you sat in kamela and kour they caped huol.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:25:00 - [48] Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 05/08/2008 17:26:53 Right, for all those who think i've gone off my rocker and has started wearing tinfoil hats (which i do btw, but only for fashion purposes) When the system of Huola was taken (unfairly) from us, it was due to a CCP story event See here. I'm not a raving lunatic like so many of you want to believe, this system was wrongfully taken from us and there was nothing we could do. Also Since this event, Huola system does not have any conquerable amarrian facilities for us to take it back. Either CCP has bugged the system stopping us from recapturing it, or.. well i dunno what else really. /me Puts on tinfoil fashionable hat. EDITED for spelling.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:28:00 - [49] Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 05/08/2008 17:29:03 Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 05/08/2008 17:26:53 Right, for all those who think i've gone off my rocker and has started wearing tinfoil hats (which i do btw, but only for fashion purposes) When the system of Huola was taken (unfairly) from us, it was due to a CCP story event See here. I'm not a raving lunatic like so many of you want to believe, this system was wrongfully taken from us and there was nothing we could do. Also Since this event, Huola system does not have any conquerable amarrian facilities for us to take it back. Either CCP has bugged the system stopping us from recapturing it, or.. well i dunno what else really. /me Puts on tinfoil fashionable hat. EDITED for spelling. Every post you make only leaves you looking more and more clueless... Edit: I ran a gang that captured a medium plex in huola today. Where were you at the time? San Matari Official forums
Jakus Cemendur Caldari Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 05/08/2008 17:26:53 Right, for all those who think i've gone off my rocker and has started wearing tinfoil hats (which i do btw, but only for fashion purposes) When the system of Huola was taken (unfairly) from us, it was due to a CCP story event See here. I'm not a raving lunatic like so many of you want to believe, this system was wrongfully taken from us and there was nothing we could do. Also Since this event, Huola system does not have any conquerable amarrian facilities for us to take it back. Either CCP has bugged the system stopping us from recapturing it, or.. well i dunno what else really. /me Puts on tinfoil fashionable hat. EDITED for spelling. Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. ------
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. From everyone i have spoken to in militia chat. It was indeed a "real" event.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Splagada or contact GM Gandalf One does not simply walk into Huola... ________________________ Lord WarATron: "To do the Abaddon Hadoken, you need to do the following manover with the joypad. ↓ .... ↓→ .... → + ●
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. From everyone i have spoken to in militia chat. It was indeed a "real" event. So how do you know that CCP gave either side an advantage of any kind? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:49:00 - [54] Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 05/08/2008 17:49:49 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. From everyone i have spoken to in militia chat. It was indeed a "real" event. So how do you know that CCP gave either side an advantage of any kind? If you look at the ISD news, the story about the crashed scientist started on the 23rd of July. "Rescue operations for Karnell are currently impossible while the Minmatar Republic retains space superiority in Huola. The moon Karnell landed on is habitable, yet inhospitable. Current estimates of his supplies suggest he can remain at his crash site for one to two weeks before he runs out of food and water. The rescue of Dresen Karnell has been designated as a high priority task for the 24th Crusade. Militia command has recommended that current resources be diverted towards the recapture of Huola from Minmatar Republic occupancy as soon as possible." Obviously the storyline was pre-written so as not to feck up future related storylines and thus Huola was given to them. Certain people have said "We were doing plexes in there for two weeks to take it over" well if true you needn't have to have done really.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 05/08/2008 17:49:49 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. From everyone i have spoken to in militia chat. It was indeed a "real" event. So how do you know that CCP gave either side an advantage of any kind? If you look at the ISD news, the story about the crashed scientist started on the 23rd of July. "Rescue operations for Karnell are currently impossible while the Minmatar Republic retains space superiority in Huola. The moon Karnell landed on is habitable, yet inhospitable. Current estimates of his supplies suggest he can remain at his crash site for one to two weeks before he runs out of food and water. The rescue of Dresen Karnell has been designated as a high priority task for the 24th Crusade. Militia command has recommended that current resources be diverted towards the recapture of Huola from Minmatar Republic occupancy as soon as possible." Obviously the storyline was pre-written so as not to feck up future related storylines and thus Huola was given to them. Certain people have said "We were doing plexes in there for two weeks to take it over" well if true you needn't have to have done really. We saw the system become vulnerable. We hit the bunker and took the system. It was captured because of our actions, and you weren't there to witness it. San Matari Official forums
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo We saw the system become vulnerable. We hit the bunker and took the system. It was captured because of our actions, and you weren't there to witness it. I Damned well was there, it went from minmatar to amarr in about five minutes, without hardly any contested time beforehand.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 05/08/2008 17:49:49 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. From everyone i have spoken to in militia chat. It was indeed a "real" event. So how do you know that CCP gave either side an advantage of any kind? If you look at the ISD news, the story about the crashed scientist started on the 23rd of July. "Rescue operations for Karnell are currently impossible while the Minmatar Republic retains space superiority in Huola. The moon Karnell landed on is habitable, yet inhospitable. Current estimates of his supplies suggest he can remain at his crash site for one to two weeks before he runs out of food and water. The rescue of Dresen Karnell has been designated as a high priority task for the 24th Crusade. Militia command has recommended that current resources be diverted towards the recapture of Huola from Minmatar Republic occupancy as soon as possible." Obviously the storyline was pre-written so as not to feck up future related storylines and thus Huola was given to them. Certain people have said "We were doing plexes in there for two weeks to take it over" well if true you needn't have to have done really. Again: So how do you know that CCP gave either side an advantage of any kind? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo We saw the system become vulnerable. We hit the bunker and took the system. It was captured because of our actions, and you weren't there to witness it. I Damned well was there, it went from minmatar to amarr in about five minutes, without hardly any contested time beforehand. It was contested for two weeks. San Matari Official forums
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo We saw the system become vulnerable. We hit the bunker and took the system. It was captured because of our actions, and you weren't there to witness it. I Damned well was there, it went from minmatar to amarr in about five minutes, without hardly any contested time beforehand. It was contested for two weeks. But.... he was there dammit!!!! -V8I-
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:10:00 - [60] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 05/08/2008 18:12:12 Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Riho if its true that CCP is helping one side... It's not. nano nerf = missile boost unless you guys have a huge minmatar boost coming....

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