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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:12:00 - [61] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin lol, well actually i was there on one of my "alts" who may or may not be part of 24th crusade. So despite having an alt in the Amarr militia, you failed to notice in time what was going on. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:13:00 - [62] I have noticed that Amarr seem to keep tighter security than other Empires. They won't release anything over racial chat, and I know of a few FC's who won't accept anyone in their group who doesn't have history of some kind. Alt's must find it a real pain getting information "The greatest offense is no defense."
Kalem Saeed	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:22:00 - [63] Having been part of the gang that sacked Huola. Yes, sacked. I feel the need to point out what has already been stated several times. We out maneuvered you. We capped minors and majors simultaneously once it was vulnerable so that there would be no way you could re-contest before we nuked the bunker. While the minnie gang ran around like a blind crack addicted squirrel, our FC made the right calls and we took the system. The system remained in the (Lost) mode until the next DT. The fact that you haven't been able to cap a plex since then is just your own incompetence OP. CCP had no part in this.
FlameGlow Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Kalem Saeed Having been part of the gang that sacked Huola. Yes, sacked. I feel the need to point out what has already been stated several times. We out maneuvered you. We capped minors and majors simultaneously once it was vulnerable so that there would be no way you could re-contest before we nuked the bunker. While the minnie gang ran around like a blind crack addicted squirrel, our FC made the right calls and we took the system. The system remained in the (Lost) mode until the next DT. The fact that you haven't been able to cap a plex since then is just your own incompetence OP. CCP had no part in this. Once system is in (lost) status it's pointless to cap plexes there, it won't change anything - after DT occupancy will flip and system will not even be contested. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:26:00 - [65] And for anyone who doesnt think the FW stats page that the Amarr keep posting is dodgy, just look at them. Minmatar have far more kills, more systems re-secured, equal contested and yet we still lag behind in VP. Clearly not an accurate measure by anyones view.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:34:00 - [66] What I would like to know: Will CCP stick to the book/novel they wrote? Or will CCP let the Eve universe evolve on its own? If CCP continues the storylines to match Eve storylines with the story in the book, then any player actions are completely pointless. So far I haven't seen evidence that they are matching Eve to the book - and that hopefully stays this way.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin And for anyone who doesnt think the FW stats page that the Amarr keep posting is dodgy, just look at them. Minmatar have far more kills, more systems re-secured, equal contested and yet we still lag behind in VP. Clearly not an accurate measure by anyones view. So, essentially, the Amarr militia has more patience for the PvE aspect of Faction Warfare and the Minmatar militia is comprised of better pvp-ers. This is not exactly a revelation. Place your spies better and re-invigorate the Minmatar militia. I think that would be a much more reasonable response to the first and only real Amarr victory in FW than making rediculous claims of favoritism/cheating.
Kalem Saeed	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:03:00 - [68] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin And for anyone who doesnt think the FW stats page that the Amarr keep posting is dodgy, just look at them. Minmatar have far more kills, more systems re-secured, equal contested and yet we still lag behind in VP. Clearly not an accurate measure by anyones view. You do realize that not one accusation you have made so far makes any logical sense, right? VP are awarded for capping plexes, which we are doing constantly, and which is something you guys just can't seem to pull off anymore because when you try, we melt you. Speaking of which, Amarr militia activity has skyrocketed over the past month, and every time I step into my pod there are at least 4 or so fleets running around your space, taking your territory. You're just making yourself look childish, please think your allegations through.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:30:00 - [69] i can see both sides of this. -matar have been defending and capturing plexes as good as the amarr have. -(correct me if i'm wrong) matar haven't actually seen a system go into vulnerable since the nerf -i personally know we assaulted a constellation for over 2 weeks with not one system going vulnerable. matar were very intent on keeping it clean -for some period of time we though huola was bugged as no plexes could be found there (mind you, we pass through that system often. its not like the amarr 'snuck' in for a half hour with no one noticing the plex on main overview.). also, for what should be needed to put the system in vulnerable.... it just seems more than odd. -amarr are more organized than us, i can believe this was legit what i'm getting at is, you can hammer away at these systems and there is no real way to know if one will go vulnerable or not. now, i cant see ccp having a stake in this, however why not just improve the FW information so EVERYONE KNOWS the stat sheet is weak, so is the map. this can only have a positive effect as EVERYONE on both sides will see weak systems and focus on them. this will provide established 'fronts' instead of ppl randomly flying around an entire region/constellation. also, there is suddenly no room for question. i do find the story on huola rather fishy, and while i doubt it was a staged event, it really wouldn't suprise me. that being said, if the minmatar want to take anything away from huola its this: you need to do plexes AND pvp at the same time. if your doing it right, plexing will lead to pvp i think since the neft matar have taken a position of 'it doesn't matter'. so instead of having an ORGANIZED approach to the FW they simply roam around looking for kills. hell, some of the pilots straight out bastardize doing the plexes.... meanwhile the amarr clean up and laugh. also, matar need to make their game more serious. this crap of organizing fights with the opposing faction fc is ok every know and then. but doing it all the time will lead to failure. start forming strategy and trying to win, instead of just looking for a good match. we all know why you do it, and its understandable, but some of the ppl in your gang want to WIN (defeat the enemy), not just play grabass.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Kalem Saeed VP are awarded for capping plexes, which we are doing constantly, and which is something you guys just can't seem to pull off anymore because when you try, we melt you. Speaking of which, Amarr militia activity has skyrocketed over the past month, and every time I step into my pod there are at least 4 or so fleets running around your space, taking your territory. You're just making yourself look childish, please think your allegations through. If what you say is true, then how come (even at this very moment) Minmatar are capping plexes unopposed? And also, wouldn't the highly dubious FW stats show this? (they dont).
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:32:00 - [71] of course, CCP cant even get a system to reflect if it is 'contested' correctly or not. so right there is one part that is bugged and hasn't even been acknowledged we are probably asking for too much out of ccp to actually be able to see VP
AngelCakes	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:37:00 - [72] Faction War Summed Up Amarr - Not nearly enough people to defend against blobs. Gallente - Contains many skilled and rich pvp'ers Minmatar - Contains many pirates and pirate corps. Caldari - Full of idiots and/or Noobs and has to help Amarr against the Minmatar too.
OhDaesu	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:50:00 - [73] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Riho if its true that CCP is helping one side... It's not. Not the first time CCP has helped one side. mutters something about T20 and T2 BPO's
Lubimchik Power Seed Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:03:00 - [74] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 05/08/2008 17:49:49 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. From everyone i have spoken to in militia chat. It was indeed a "real" event. So how do you know that CCP gave either side an advantage of any kind? If you look at the ISD news, the story about the crashed scientist started on the 23rd of July. "Rescue operations for Karnell are currently impossible while the Minmatar Republic retains space superiority in Huola. The moon Karnell landed on is habitable, yet inhospitable. Current estimates of his supplies suggest he can remain at his crash site for one to two weeks before he runs out of food and water. The rescue of Dresen Karnell has been designated as a high priority task for the 24th Crusade. Militia command has recommended that current resources be diverted towards the recapture of Huola from Minmatar Republic occupancy as soon as possible." Obviously the storyline was pre-written so as not to feck up future related storylines and thus Huola was given to them. Certain people have said "We were doing plexes in there for two weeks to take it over" well if true you needn't have to have done really. You know... I am really starting to think this is one big massive ball of troll that everyone might be falling for... seriously? I meen... is it possible? That a person can really... no... it cant be.. I mean... can it? Please... for all of our sakes... just shut up... your thread is damaging the IQ of the other threads that are around it, let alone every player involved in it!
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:06:00 - [75] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia we are probably asking for too much out of ccp to actually be able to see VP That idea has been put forwards several times, but when you think about it will favour Caldari/Matari far too much. Once a system gets close to vulnerable it will become permanently camped by those two numerically superior factions until it becomes vulnerable. The current system where you have to maintain pressure in the whole region/constellation has nowhere near the same bias towards pilot numbers. It may be frustrating but the alternatives are just too horrible to consider. There are still some serious issues regarding UI and map not reflecting contested status accurately, but I am certain they are being worked on. As for the statistics page not showing correct information - probably due to the fact that its only updated once per day, so anything you do won't be tallied there until after next downtime.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia we are probably asking for too much out of ccp to actually be able to see VP That idea has been put forwards several times, but when you think about it will favour Caldari/Matari far too much. Once a system gets close to vulnerable it will become permanently camped by those two numerically superior factions until it becomes vulnerable. The current system where you have to maintain pressure in the whole region/constellation has nowhere near the same bias towards pilot numbers. It may be frustrating but the alternatives are just too horrible to consider. There are still some serious issues regarding UI and map not reflecting contested status accurately, but I am certain they are being worked on. As for the statistics page not showing correct information - probably due to the fact that its only updated once per day, so anything you do won't be tallied there until after next downtime. so that is to say current mechanics favours amarr? i'm half kidding. but i know what you are saying, and that would be true if it wasn't the case that not only A) this effects so many systems in multiple regions (no way to camp 4+ systems, not if you were in FW and saw the gangs) and B) its simply not true. by that i mean, its fairly accurate to say minmatar have the #s and amarr have the quality. we will blob with rifters, ruptures and trashers and amarr will bring HACs and BS while it's worth arguing if they should or shouldn't add the statistic for all to see, it certainly shouldn't be based off of "no, because one side has more people".
Trilli Shaw	Posted - 2008.08.05 21:23:00 - [77] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia we are probably asking for too much out of ccp to actually be able to see VP Once a system gets close to vulnerable it will become permanently camped by those two numerically superior factions until it becomes vulnerable. So? When people want to camp a system that badly that it is more or less shut down, then the other side has all the more freedom to kill stuff in every other system. Besides your point is invalid because you can already see roughly how close you are to capture a system on the map. And it didn't destroy the FW, did it?
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:18:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Riho if its true that CCP is helping one side... It's not. i agree, but i think that each militia member should receive a mail when a plex is taken by the enemy, just to dispell this rumor.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:18:00 - [79] Wild accusations aside, I'd like to commend the Amarrians who directed this op on their victory. I have this sneaking suspicion that there were at least a core of people who worked very hard to make it possible, along with a team effort to follow through. Well done. Now my side needs to look at what happened and figure out how to prevent it from being repeated. I don't think this is a matter of CCP favoring the Amarrians specifically, though they did state from the beginning that there were mechanics in place designed to prevent either side from dominating the system capture aspects of FW, and those mechanics (whatever they are) may well have been a factor here. In any case, a very OOC "well done" to the Amarrians, and a "let's get 'em back" to the Matari! -- Becq Starforged Ushra'Khan The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:20:00 - [80] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia B) its simply not true. by that i mean, its fairly accurate to say minmatar have the #s and amarr have the quality. we will blob with rifters, ruptures and trashers Why don't I get chased by those gangs instead of 20+ recons and HACs? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:26:00 - [81] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Ummm, that's an ISD report on ingame events, not a story event. From everyone i have spoken to in militia chat. It was indeed a "real" event. You're right, players in the 24th spamming that system to retake it is very real.

CCP Ginger	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:26:00 - [82] Im not really going to comment on the bias accusations here, what happens in FW will always be up to the players. However, as much as the storyline is involved, this particular one was scripted by our mercury volunteer team and had/has multiple continuations and endings based on what the players did or did not manage to do. Its necessity because we really have no idea how the players are going to react or whether they will be successful or not. Hope your enjoying it.

Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia B) its simply not true. by that i mean, its fairly accurate to say minmatar have the #s and amarr have the quality. we will blob with rifters, ruptures and trashers Why don't I get chased by those gangs instead of 20+ recons and HACs? I dunno. I hear the same thing about the Gallente running around in stuff like that but all I ever find are nano gangs. Maybe they're just milking their ships until they get balanced...
Vaarun Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:32:00 - [84] Bitter wine, pure and simple. If CCP was favoring the Amarr, surely the systems we lost under the "old" FW rules would have been returned...yes? They showed no favor when those first systems were lost. But they were not, so we do it the hard way and we do not lament the extensive effort it requires. If you have spent as much time capping systems as I have you come to realize...no...you almost made me sink ships! Let me just suffice to say that everything (aside from a few bugged plexes that don't cap) is working as it should be, and pushing systems to vulnerability is not a chore for the fickle or easily distracted. Your dedication to your Faction is ephemeral while ours is eternal. You disagree? How many have left your ranks when the promotions have stopped or the returns have become minimal? Capping plexes pays very poorly. That that was once novel and compelling has become tiresome and boring. This is where duty and dedication come into play. TIME has always favored the Empire, not CCP, and the Faction Wars play to our strengths...strengths which are found in the fibre of the Empire pilots and their dedicated allies, not is some gimmick or programming loophole. Not to mimimize the extensive efforts of my brothers and sisters, but you lost Huola more than we won it. I would give you the details of your downfall, but I will not tip our hand for we plan to repeat it over and over again... "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Vaarun Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:41:00 - [85] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin And for anyone who doesnt think the FW stats page that the Amarr keep posting is dodgy, just look at them. Minmatar have far more kills, more systems re-secured, equal contested and yet we still lag behind in VP. Clearly not an accurate measure by anyones view. And this shows your ignorance of Faction Warfare. The stats are for all ships and all systems, and the overall picture does not reflect the effort and focus that was applied to Huola. It confirms a time-honored quote that while one can win a battle, but still lose the war. The graph that you cite as "dodgy" is just a running log of the daily updates you can view for yourself in stations that are sided with your faction. Graph them yourself every day if you doubt the synopsis. Ignore them at your peril. Properly reading and interpreting graphs is crucial. The only thing "dodgy" is your interpretation... "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Jones Bones Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:53:00 - [86] Originally by: Vaarun Stuff Stop fitting WCSx2 and we'll consider your opinion valid. J/K Plexing = PvE without the mission rewards
Yelan Zhou Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.05 23:02:00 - [87] To the OP Yes, they are completly biased in our favour.Its not our fault that none of you trained CCP connections. War, War never changes.
Aslann Gallente Win and God	Posted - 2008.08.05 23:11:00 - [88] Its not CCP, its God, he is on Amarr's side after all, or maybe, its the Order ______________________
Yelan Zhou Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.05 23:16:00 - [89] Originally by: Aslann Its not CCP, its God, he is on Amarr's side after all, or maybe, its the Order You speak the truth.You will be a fine slave War, War never changes.
Daraasi Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.06 00:18:00 - [90] This whole topic just depresses me. We're outside the IGS people you dont need to act like... whatever. A lot of hardworking dedicated people [myself not included to my detriment] put a lot of effort into taking Huola, and against high odds succeeded. This does not mean that they cheated, merely that they gained a small victory against a force that has achieved many more in comparison. The accusations of CCP involvement are absurd, and bias even more so. Given the repeated and habitual amarrian failures in all storylines in my living memory there's hardly a pattern of CCP going out of their way to assisst the amarr. And in FW, im sure unintentionally, the stage was clearly set against the amarrian militia to begin with. [This is not to say we did not deserve the loses we incurred, or are somehow not to blame for them, the state of organisation in our militia, and its activity level clearly facilitated the lost systems.] With 20-20 hindsight it's obvious that the 24th would suffer a defecit in pilots, and that the massively smaller number of systems we began with would benefit the disorganized attacker rather than the disorganized defender. [New low-sec system please CCP [with EoM rats dreams]] However, having watched the people who assualted Huola over a period of more than a week, the thought that they somehow needed CCP aid to achieve their goal never crossed my mind. And if you witnessed the amount of work they put in to achieve such an uphill battle, you wouldn't have the gall to suggest so as well. /ramble Per Aspera Ad Astra Ceterum Censeo Jovenem Esse Delendam

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