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Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.06 05:16:00 - [31] Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point. Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players. Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time. The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy. What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have. Get a nice little boat and go for a sail around Somalia... you'll see that real pirates are just like Eve pirates. They'll cut your throat, throw you overboard and take your boat ONe of them might even have a stick to hit you with You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.06 05:52:00 - [32] Solution: pay the ransom. You should've offered to pay for the return of your can, instead of just begging the pirates to leave it alone. In fact, that's the worst thing you could have done. I've had the exact same scenario, though from the other side... haulers always die since I'm not sure if they're stalling for time with stabs fitted, but if the cargo is mission junk I'll ransom it back to the victim. And if they don't pay? Pop goes the can, and we laugh about how stupid they were and how much of a standings hit they just took.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.06 07:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point. Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players. Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time. The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy. What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have. Get a nice little boat and go for a sail around Somalia... you'll see that real pirates are just like Eve pirates. They'll cut your throat, throw you overboard and take your boat ONe of them might even have a stick to hit you with I would not really consider them successful pirates.....
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.06 07:57:00 - [34] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/08/2008 07:56:56 Originally by: El'Niaga I would not really consider them successful pirates..... They kill you and take your stuff on the ocean... what makes a successful pirate other than that? I guess the little chinese guy burning DVDs? You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.06 08:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/08/2008 07:56:56 Originally by: El'Niaga I would not really consider them successful pirates..... They kill you and take your stuff on the ocean... what makes a successful pirate other than that? I guess the little chinese guy burning DVDs? The chinese guy burning DVDs as as software pilot is minimizing risk to himself while making a profit. They'll keep doing that until someone uses a Q Ship to capture them. Then when they board the ship filled with Marines and armed to the teeth they'll be destroyed. I'll grant you that Somalia is less stable than Iraq, shame the world isn't doing much to fix the problem.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Ledoux Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.06 08:11:00 - [36] Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/08/2008 07:56:56 Originally by: El'Niaga I would not really consider them successful pirates..... They kill you and take your stuff on the ocean... what makes a successful pirate other than that? I guess the little chinese guy burning DVDs? The chinese guy burning DVDs as as software pilot is minimizing risk to himself while making a profit. They'll keep doing that until someone uses a Q Ship to capture them. Then when they board the ship filled with Marines and armed to the teeth they'll be destroyed. I'll grant you that Somalia is less stable than Iraq, shame the world isn't doing much to fix the problem. Contrary to what you learned from Johnny Depp, pirate ships during the Age of Sail were typically outclassed in every way by naval vessels. That's why the pirates preyed on soft targets. But that is neither here nor there. Your entire argument and all subsequent arguments in this thread were destroyed when you said that the "OP has a point". The OP doesn't have a point. The OP doesn't have a clue. The OP blindly waddled into lowsec in an industrial ship without even bothering to poke his head in with a frigate to test the waters. The OP got what he deserved. _
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.06 08:59:00 - [37] Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 06/08/2008 08:59:41 This thread has fallen out of context. Lets get back to me and why I do what I do :D Also, If we ask for a ransom we honour it, 100% of the time.
ThunderEyes Amarr ikkie inc.	Posted - 2008.08.06 10:21:00 - [38] Quote: The OP doesn't have a point. The OP doesn't have a clue. The OP blindly waddled into lowsec in an industrial ship without even bothering to poke his head in with a frigate to test the waters. The OP got what he deserved. Indeed.... Now, to be more constructive for the op; Get a covert ops frigate and train some half decent cloaking skills with it. ISK wise it wont set you back for much more then say 30 mil, and you will hardly ever loose anything durting lowsec trips again.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.06 11:19:00 - [39] As a former pirate, and now pirate hunter/ lowsec PvP'er. I have to laugh at the OP... yet, at the same time, one of the posters above had a valid point. A smart pirate should have taken the ransom offer, or at least offered the cargo back to the OP at high yet reasonable price. I'm willing to bet the cargo was not worth anything to them, and they lost out on an opportunity to make some additional ISK by being stubborn elitists. I constantly hear pirates complain about lack of targets, yet they pull crap like this... and make low-sec more of an unfriendly place than it has to be, I wonder how that is good for business. Threads in C&P go much further to prove my point, i'm willing to bet that the professional pirates in Eve dont come on here and constantly flame thier victims. Everyone knows that car salesmen are crooks, yet they always go back to the dealerships... because even though you both know the sales rep is reaming your backside everytime (without lube), they do it with a handshake and a smile. Pirates in Eve could learn alot from these guys.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.06 11:36:00 - [40] As a current pirate and the subject of this thread I think this entire thing is very funny and satisfying. What smart pirate trade a few isk for an opportunity? The guy clearly had something and the only way of finding out was blowing him up, and I'm in my full right to do so. I even stated, as the chatlog above clearly states, that no ransom was in play. So what exactly do you mean by "pulling crap like that".
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:25:00 - [41] Originally by: ecdt I was hauling low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway. jet the cargo and come back for it later The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself. I did mention that in local as well. the cargo have gotten destroyed lost 1 whole point of faction standing. One small act of mischief from them cost more to me then what its worth to them. so your saying, you new the risk, you did it anyway and now you complain on the forums
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:27:00 - [42] Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point. Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players. Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time. The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy. What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have. We regularly ransom people. But usually restrict it to Battlecruiser and above, accompanied by a ship scanner. Industrials by and large are fair game, they are like a Kinder Egg to be cracked open... Sometimes you get a really cool thing, sometimes you get a Tiny Terrapin Assumption of Risk
Hanso Sparxx We The People	Posted - 2008.08.06 12:30:00 - [43] Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway. Jumped a gate and saw bunch of red on overview. I offer to surrender but they refused and didn't bother with any ransom. I knew I wouldn't make it out alive in an industrial. My best option was to jet the cargo and come back for it later rather then having it blown up along with the ship. The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself. I was willing to pay for it as long as I have gotten it back safely. I would like to point out that I did mention that in local as well. I came back in another ship in order to pick it up and found out that the cargo have gotten destroyed because one of the pirate was bored. I was a little ticked off and I'm still ticked off because I lost 1 whole point of faction standing. One small act of mischief from them cost more to me then what its worth to them. I expressed my desire to have it back for a price. Yet they choose to be a douche bag. I do understand that this is a game. I also understand that its annoying as well to build good standing. I was really looking forward to getting out of low sec and work with other lvl 4 agents in hi sec with better quality. My plan is now delayed by 2 months roughly speaking. Its really tough to get vengeance or justice when you're alone. Not to mention its awfully expensive to hire mercenaries. Its best to bite my tongue and deal with my grief for the time being. Its not much I can do against such a large group. bolded the funee ------------------ We the People is recruiting!
Cogswin Iannyen Caldari Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:20:00 - [44] Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway. Your fail begins here. Originally by: ecdt The cargo is worthless to everyone but myself. I was willing to pay for it as long as I have gotten it back safely. I would like to point out that I did mention that in local as well. The fail is strong with this one. As soon as you point out that it has value to YOU, then it immediatley has value to someone else, even if that price is paid in your suffering. Originally by: ecdt I was a little ticked off and I'm still ticked off because I lost 1 whole point of faction standing. {stuff} I also understand that its annoying as well to build good standing. Do you also now understand that running courrier missions is a really slow and crappy way to build standing? Find a better agent. Originally by: ecdt Its really tough to get vengeance or justice when you're alone. EVE is a MMO. ur doin it rong.
Xsag Caldari Black Fury	Posted - 2008.08.06 16:45:00 - [45] sorry but LOL. Low security for a reason. ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:00:00 - [46] This thread totally delivers. Thank you doctorstupid2. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Creche Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:01:00 - [47] Edited by: Creche on 06/08/2008 17:01:21 Originally by: ecdt I was hauling some secure cargo in attempt to complete a storyline mission in low sec. I knew the risk, but I choose to do so anyway.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:04:00 - [48] Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point. Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players. Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time. The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy. What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have. lmfao I can't tell what's funnier, the OP or this clown.
General Spaz Minmatar Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Haitchi Allamut So what exactly do you mean by "pulling crap like that". That was directed towards destroying the ejected cargo, instead of selling it back. If that is indeed what took place then that was pointless.
Xsag Caldari Black Fury	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:17:00 - [50] Originally by: General Spaz Originally by: Haitchi Allamut So what exactly do you mean by "pulling crap like that". That was directed towards destroying the ejected cargo, instead of selling it back. If that is indeed what took place then that was pointless. pointless yes funnier? probably, end of the day low sec isnt always about making money sometimes its just about having fun and some of that time its about having that fun at the expense of nubs wandering through lowsec with their whole eve experience in their cargo hold. ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:18:00 - [51] Problem I have is haulers pop so dang fast there is no time to get a ransom....oh wait...I don't ask for them....
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:24:00 - [52] I think part of the problem is 90% (made up number) of haulers are macros or don't respond. If I thought a hauler was a real player with more than a heap of garbage, I would hold them and get a ship scan and a ransom, if sentry guns were an issue you would have to blow up I'm afraid. In your case I would have happily sold you back your stuff or ransomed your ship if it hadn't already popped.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:27:00 - [53] Sentry guns kill more people than they save You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
Beef Strokenhoff Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.06 17:55:00 - [54] I used to be a pirate in real life and I must say the work was exceptionally difficult. I started out at the tender age of 7. Doing the usually mundane stuff here and there to assist the crew. You know... like making sure the decks were swabbed, counting the booty we pillaged from unsuspecting cruise ship casinos, the ropes were staying tight around the prisoners we were holding. Pretty standard stuff really. All while trying to learn how to read and write from a one eyed old man who said Yarrrr after every sentence while tutoring me in English makes for a trying childhood mind you. So in summary, as a pirate grows older, he reflects upon all those mundane tasks and how boring they were. Leaving a pirate to stand by in space staring at your can o' loot you so tenderly jettisoned is like asking the IRS to accept a check to pay for back taxes you owe. If you can't stand in the deep water, better hope your life jacket is near by. Yarrrrr....
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:01:00 - [55] /me waits for 2009 dev blog outlawing destruction of mission runner loot. OP - keep whining, it seems the cruel element of this game is disappearing fast. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Kryloz Amarr 7th Corps	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point. Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players. Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time. The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy. What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have. lmfao I can't tell what's funnier, the OP or this clown. He said "Irregardless" too...which is "without without regard" i guess..
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.06 18:55:00 - [57] Originally by: El'Niaga The OP has a point. Its a flaw in EVE really, not so much of game mechanics but of psychology of the players. Almost no player pirate in EVE could have made it as a real pirate. Piracy is not about killing the other guy. It's about how much you can get out of the target. If a target has no value (say t1 ship and all t1 (non named) modules) then it isn't worth a real pirates time. The most successful pirates of Earth oftentimes did not fire even a shot at the enemy. Their reputations were often such that ships surrendered cargo without problems or paid ransoms upon sighting the sails of the enemy. What is practiced in EVE is not piracy, its butchery. They kill for the pleasure of killing irregardless of any value the target might have. but usually guys like that only have like 1 mil in their wallet, so much easier to just go f1-f8 than to open your wallet and check the journal and whatnot.
ecdt	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:06:00 - [58] Edited by: ecdt on 06/08/2008 19:07:39 I offered isk for cargo, but you refused the offer. It would've been mighty logical of you to accept the ransom when it was offered.Then you said in local that I can have it back for free after you checked the content and realized it was worthless to you, but when I tried to pick it up you destroyed it and along with my industrial ship. If I could have gotten it back for free, I would've gotten it back. So this makes you a liar and a fiend. Not to mention you lost opportunity on making isk. You didn't even know what I was prepare to pay for the safe return of the content. What makes someone believe that if you do accept ransom that you would follow through with it when you pull off dirty underhanded tricks such as the one you pulled on me. You can't even fend off 1 BS on a 1 on 1 dual, and have to call in a carrier for help. Then go and flame their post when someone plays by the pirate game (no rules) and owns one of your member. What sore losers does that? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=837960 What kind of pirate are you?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:08:00 - [59] RANSOMS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!!!! You're not afraid of the dark, are you?
Blueaise	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny RANSOMS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!!!! Sorry I didn't write it correctly. I'm revise it, thanks.

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