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Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Zeba on 06/08/2008 19:57:18 Originally by: Tarminic Does anyone other than me find it ironic that pirates brag about how many people they've made quit, and then CCP one-ups them all and they turn into whiney ****es? Wait wat? Pirates have always* been whiney *****es. <3 IDLE inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:58:00 - [32] Edited by: Shar''Tuk TheHated on 06/08/2008 19:58:04 Wow that's a lot of tears LOL! Slow down with all those emo tears fellas! Cheer up.. and here I thought the carebears were the sensitive fluffy ones. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.06 19:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Bean Doodle Originally by: Tarminic Does anyone other than me find it ironic that pirates brag about how many people they've made quit, and then CCP one-ups them all and they turn into whiney *****es? HA! You beat me to it Bean, but if that is not Irony then I don't know what is. Besides, apparently it works...and these Suiciding PieWrats are all about using game mechanics to their fullest to get an edge, right?
Dominious New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Tarminic Does anyone other than me find it ironic that pirates brag about how many people they've made quit, and then CCP one-ups them all and they turn into whiney *****es? It's only fun and games when it's the other person doing the crying . But in all seriousness, yes, I find it ironic; just not as satisfying and entertaining as a pirate may find a carebear crying.
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Maam Why is everyone insisting CCPhave only made this change because of forum whines, as opposed to them actually thinking this is how their planned mechanics should work? [] (I don't desperately care, I've never been suicide ganked nor been suicide ganked myself, I just think it's funny how people complaining about CCP listening to forum whiners come here to whine even more!) I was pondering this as I ran my errands. I think it's a form of self-justification/affirmation. Subconsciously, these people realize that they are emo-raging (they're coldhearted pirates, right?), so they feel the need to explain that they are sticking-up for something greater (the "spirit of the game," CCP, whatever.
Joey Meow	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Akita T But, with great success, comes great responsability to your shareholders CCP is not a publicly traded company, they have paid off the initial loan the bank has issued to them when they first started to develop EVE. As such, your statement is not correct in that matter. All that is happening now, as you so aptly pointed out, is that CCP wishes to retain regular "vanilla" customers who are simply too cuddled by the mainstream video game companies and in order for CCP to see major growth, and as such more cash flowing in for their upcoming MMO, they need to tone down the "harshness" of EVE a little bit. Old guard is still around, not that many of them, but they are still around. But EVE is changing, and Oveur needs a 2009 Lamborghini LP560 as such, it will mean that EVE will need to attract and retain more people. Now, as this is in response to the Suicide Ganking blog, I am fully in agreement with CCP that Insurance needed to be removed when CONCORD is involved. I am not so sure about the Sec. Status penalties though.
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:07:00 - [37] Dominious, I find it embarassing, and I'm beginning to question all those stories about the average age of an EVE player.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Esu Nahalas Originally by: Maam Why is everyone insisting CCPhave only made this change because of forum whines, as opposed to them actually thinking this is how their planned mechanics should work? [] (I don't desperately care, I've never been suicide ganked nor been suicide ganked myself, I just think it's funny how people complaining about CCP listening to forum whiners come here to whine even more!) I was pondering this as I ran my errands. I think it's a form of self-justification/affirmation. Subconsciously, these people realize that they are emo-raging (they're coldhearted pirates, right?), so they feel the need to explain that they are sticking-up for something greater (the "spirit of the game," CCP, whatever. If you can undock in any form and be "immune" to non consenual PVP failing lag out then eve has changed for the worse. I am talking about last lowsec cyno'ing Jump Freighters, insta alinging/warping Istabbed+nomand planted blockade runners, whole corps hopping corp to dodge war decs, and loot thieving Noob corp hiding smacktalking space crackers. and soon any highsec mission runner - fitting less than a few billion, cause if you pop a T2 guy for the luls hes gonna complain of greifing - and I can see which direction the GMs and Devs are taking. "aww did he get blood on your fuzzy bear suit?, Well ban the bad man for you" I'll repeat myself for the slow: If you can undock in any form and be "immune" to non consenual PVP (failing lag ou) then eve has changed for the worse. When they bring in non destructable equipment, and player ship respawns with cool down timers because they listend to the lazy then you'll be complaining...or maybe not. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:16:00 - [39] Edited by: Sorted on 06/08/2008 20:16:23 wheres these new accounts at then OP? or are you full of shit? or vegtables etc. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Joey Meow Originally by: Akita T But, with great success, comes great responsability to your shareholders CCP is not a publicly traded company. But you still have owners of shares, even if those owners would be mostly the devs and their families. Remind me again, when was the last time a husband said to his wife "honey, I'll do the stuff I love to do at work, but my paycheck will get smaller" and got a positive response ? _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Sorted If you can undock in any form and be "immune" to non consenual PVP failing lag out then eve has changed for the worse. I am talking about last lowsec cyno'ing Jump Freighters, insta alinging/warping Istabbed+nomand planted blockade runners, whole corps hopping corp to dodge war decs, and loot thieving Noob corp hiding smacktalking space crackers. Originally by: Sorted Vote against the nano nerf! ___________________________________________
Brugar	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Maam Originally by: Akita T As such, the more people you can make happy, the better. Generally that's not totally unreasonable, is it? The issue with that assumption was that the MAJORITY would like suicideganking nearly eliminated. God no! Don't eliminate it, just make it reasonable and have it make sense is all. Suiciding is a blast but at the momenty getting boring because it is easy and actually priofitable. I can make more money now blowing up my ship then selling them, and that's where insurance is bad. That's all.
Dominious New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Esu Nahalas Dominious, I find it embarassing, and I'm beginning to question all those stories about the average age of an EVE player. I have never understood how such a large playerbase can take pleasure in other players' miseries. I suspect that even though the actual player age may be higher than in other MMOs the maturity level isn't; atleast not in the forums . Anyway, as Tarminic pointed out it's still very ironic.
Alz Shado Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Sorted If you can undock in any form and be "immune" to non consenual PVP failing lag out then eve has changed for the worse. Nerf Cloaks! //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad) "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.06 20:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Maam Originally by: Akita T Come change, most will end up not liking it, either directly, or because of the cascade effects in other things. And the initially believed popular change turns into one of the most unpopular changes ever. Fair enough, if it goes horribly wrong they can revert it. Why is everyone insisting CCPhave only made this change because of forum whines, as opposed to them actually thinking this is how their planned mechanics should work? What does the interstellar council think of this? Is this up for vote or what? (I don't desperately care, I've never been suicide ganked nor been suicide ganked myself, I just think it's funny how people complaining about CCP listening to forum whiners come here to whine even more!) Why? It's clearly - as admitted by the dev blog - the way to get what you want. In fact as of today, rather than quit, or even play th game, I think I'll be making 5 or 6 new threads every day, and creating a host of "me too" alts to make it look like my views represent the majority. Thats the way things are done, right? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:01:00 - [46] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Sorted If you can undock in any form and be "immune" to non consenual PVP failing lag out then eve has changed for the worse. I am talking about last lowsec cyno'ing Jump Freighters, insta alinging/warping Istabbed+nomand planted blockade runners, whole corps hopping corp to dodge war decs, and loot thieving Noob corp hiding smacktalking space crackers. Originally by: Sorted Vote against the nano nerf! I dont agreee with teh nano nerf. I have neevr killed anything while fitting Nanos (only ever used them ofr bumping caps of stations in low sec) check KBs if you like I still dont agree with the nano nerf - and I have fought a good few nano gangs..... Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
Voltain BEER Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Maam Originally by: Dandy Highwayman pft... i quit You spend your cash on looking flash? .. and grabbing our attention? I see what you did there DesuSig
Maam	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Sorted wheres these new accounts at then OP? or are you full of shit? or vegtables etc. Here's a tricky one for you. The OP was made ... a) for laughs, to perhaps coax out some more of those oh so glorious gankbear tears. b) seriously, and I really am a rich salad vegetable seller from Wrexham with diamond encrusted hats. ?
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Tarminic Does anyone other than me find it ironic that pirates brag about how many people they've made quit, and then CCP one-ups them all and they turn into whiney *****es? Well the case is the so called pirates just RP. It's not that they are a though guy in the real world. Just have a look at the fanfest pictures, do I need to say more.
FDUSPYZOR	Posted - 2008.08.07 12:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Tarminic Does anyone other than me find it ironic that pirates brag about how many people they've made quit, and then CCP one-ups them all and they turn into whiney *****es? This. I have to wonder what sort of a person tells CCP "Hi, my actions just lost you a subscription." Or posts on a public forum "I'm going to completely ruin someones game and force them into quitting because they disagreed with me in General Discussion"
PoXiE Minmatar ARK-CORP SATRAPY	Posted - 2008.08.07 13:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Akita T Allow me to explain. Once upon a time, EVE was a harsh, niche game, with a small CCP team of devs that worked out of dedication for basically nothing just to realize their vision. Their vision WAS realized, and finally all those years of SPENDING their own money in order to survive started to pay off... they were no longer threatened to work as codemonkeys for some ebil software company, they were their own masters (to a degree). But, with great success, comes great responsability to your shareholders, and the focus of your work shifts from "vision" to "subscribers". As such, the more people you can make happy, the better. The more time passed, and the larger EVE grew, the less important the initial vision became, and the more important the gathering of funds grew. And now, we're at that point, where it's all about "what can we do to upset the least amount of existing customers but get as many new ones as possible". This was the story of basically any visionary startup company, and its trek to the dark side. Couldnt agree more... spot on. its a shame really, but its still a good game. I wonder who all these people that are getting suicide ganked are btw? I have yet to witness or hear anyone complain about being ganked ingame, but apparently its some sort of epidemic

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