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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:32:00 -
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First of all, this is not a whine post.
Atm there are several changes thats been talked about but not yet implemented on tq.
1. nano nerf with all the other stuff related to those on sisi atm.
2. changes to high sec ganking.
3. planned/talked about changes to war dec's.
4. The much feared carrier nerf.
and with the current system for 0,0 pos warfare probably up for a change at some point.
a lot of these changes seems to reduce the chance for small gangs to do anything in eve, even though you have clearly stated a lot of times that small roaming gangs is something you want.
But anyhow, my main question is simple, can you please explain to the rest of us what your current vision of eve is as i think a lot of us really want to know that
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:36:00 -
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 Originally by: ArmyOfMe
First of all, this is not a whine post.
Atm there are several changes thats been talked about but not yet implemented on tq.
1. nano nerf with all the other stuff related to those on sisi atm.
2. changes to high sec ganking.
3. planned/talked about changes to war dec's.
4. The much feared carrier nerf.
and with the current system for 0,0 pos warfare probably up for a change at some point.
a lot of these changes seems to reduce the chance for small gangs to do anything in eve, even though you have clearly stated a lot of times that small roaming gangs is something you want.
But anyhow, my main question is simple, can you please explain to the rest of us what your current vision of eve is as i think a lot of us really want to know that
They dont have a vision they litten to all the carebear whines
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:37:00 -
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It would appear CCP is cleaning house before Ambulation hits.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:38:00 -
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I actually would like to know ,but i donŠt even think CCP themselves remember anymore.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:39:00 -
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They can't tell you, it's classified information.
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Ioci
Gallente
Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:58:00 -
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Actually, a Dev could link or explain this for the newer people.
I know of the story of a bunch of disgruntled players who struck the MMO iron on their own and made Eve to be that PvP universe where *******s had the right to be *******s and the greedy had the right to be greedy and the noble had the right to fight them all back. After 5 years and numerous accusations of cheating, what is the Devs shining glory?
For me, Ioci is in all the MMO's I play. For Devs, it's Eve. If they do play something else, they can't tell us. Can you imagine poor Navigater "Yea, I play WoW". What is their Eve paradise? |
Schalac
Caldari
Brotherhood of Wolves
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Schalac on 07/08/2008 13:02:38
I know the vision of EVE.
Four words.
NEW UNIVERSE. NEW RULES.
Oh how far they have come in the last 5 years.........
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:02:00 -
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Admittedly, the trolls and whines on GD have nearly reached critical mass. Critical mass being where its simply not worth it for anyone to post anything constructive on General, nor other forums on Eve-O.
I am with the OP.
However, I believe that a great deal of this nerd rage permeating the community could be "nerfed" by having a senior lead developer who is respected by many...say, Oveur, to come out and post an extensive dev blog that addresses many of these points and others that have been brought up amongst players of this game. A long dev blog where answers are given, where CCP's vision of the game's present and the game's future are/will be, and most importantly, presented in a "no BS (no, not battleship)" manner. Just tell it like it is, that's all we ask for.
Asking to communicate with the player base a bit more isn't much to ask for.
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Schalac
Caldari
Brotherhood of Wolves
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rubra
Admittedly, the trolls and whines on GD have nearly reached critical mass. Critical mass being where its simply not worth it for anyone to post anything constructive on General, nor other forums on Eve-O.
I am with the OP.
However, I believe that a great deal of this nerd rage permeating the community could be "nerfed" by having a senior lead developer who is respected by many...say, Oveur, to come out and post an extensive dev blog that addresses many of these points and others that have been brought up amongst players of this game. A long dev blog where answers are given, where CCP's vision of the game's present and the game's future are/will be, and most importantly, presented in a "no BS (no, not battleship)" manner. Just tell it like it is, that's all we ask for.
Asking to communicate with the player base a bit more isn't much to ask for.
This is your CSM hard at work. Aren't you glad that CCP followed through on such an asinine concept?
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rubra
However, I believe that a great deal of this nerd rage permeating the community could be "nerfed" by having a senior lead developer who is respected by many...say, Oveur, to come out and post an extensive dev blog that addresses many of these points and others that have been brought up amongst players of this game. A long dev blog where answers are given, where CCP's vision of the game's present and the game's future are/will be, and most importantly, presented in a "no BS (no, not battleship)" manner. Just tell it like it is, that's all we ask for.
Asking to communicate with the player base a bit more isn't much to ask for.
will have to agree with this, i think it would have helped a lot in regards to the state the forums are in these days
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Arna Padrona
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:30:00 -
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Quote:
1. nano nerf with all the other stuff related to those on sisi atm.
2. changes to high sec ganking.
3. planned/talked about changes to war dec's.
4. The much feared carrier nerf.
I don't know anything about carriers, but the remaining are quite self-explanatory.
1) The insane speeds many ships are capable of were never intended. CCP is merely trying to fix the problem they caused. CCP are merely trying to force battleships and cruisers to be... battleships and cruisers. They ever intended a typhoon to do 11 km/s and become immortal to all conventional weaponry. This is just CCP trying to make the ships do what they were originally designed to do.
2) High-sec was always supposed to be "the place for those that don't want pvp". I don't think anyone at CCP ever saw suicide gankings as a realistic possibility, and it was certainly NOT intentional. For high-sec pvp, the intention was to use war-decs - which would at least give a high-sec pilot a warning: this is a really bad time to fly around with valuable goods. This is CCP trying to plug one of the accidental "holes" they made in the security systems of high-sec.
3) High-sec was always supposed to be "the place for those that don't want pvp". War decs are there so that pvp IS possible in high-sec, if you seriously have a grudge against a rival corporation. Unfortunately, as anyone who ever tried starting a new corp in highsec knows, war-decs have become mostly a way for pirates to gank newbie corps, making high-sec at least as dangerous as low sec. This was never intended. This is CCP trying to plug one of the accidental "holes" they made in the security systems of high-sec.
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Mordekai Bloodwake
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
First of all, this is not a whine post.
Atm there are several changes thats been talked about but not yet implemented on tq.
1. nano nerf with all the other stuff related to those on sisi atm.
2. changes to high sec ganking.
3. planned/talked about changes to war dec's.
4. The much feared carrier nerf.
and with the current system for 0,0 pos warfare probably up for a change at some point.
a lot of these changes seems to reduce the chance for small gangs to do anything in eve, even though you have clearly stated a lot of times that small roaming gangs is something you want.
But anyhow, my main question is simple, can you please explain to the rest of us what your current vision of eve is as i think a lot of us really want to know that
Allow me to clue you in and all those other feable minded folks that cant seem to wrap their minds around the fact Eve is a business and not their personal game.
First to help you and everyone else understand, behind every button click, mouse drag, UI interaction and game mechanics you use when you log into CCP's virtual game that you have rented for a monthly fee (also known as Eve-Online) there is staff, resources and real life time that went into any and all of those actions stated, now with that said it takes money, time, resources and lots of staff to grow a successful MMO even more so one that can turn a profit and allow the company (in this case CCP) to expand by hiring additional resources and staff in order to expand their virtual world (again also known as Eve-Online).
In order to accomplish those goals (expand and turn a profit) the game need to support more players in order to increase their subscriber base (make it easy on you ... revenue) and in order for CCP to bring in more subscriptions in order to increase their revenue, they know they have to start catering to a larger crowd and player otherwise CCP will have to down staff minimize resources and eventually close the doors and move on to alternatives due to the high level of MMO development competition.
With that said, say as you wish Eve will become more PvE and casual player friendly in order to attract a larger subscription base, the one problem that CCP currently faces is "perception" most folks outside of Eve "perceive" the game as unfriendly and not casual which is true and mainly due to the type of players "hardcore pvp" games tend to attract and since its a small percentage that makes up MMO game im more than sure CCP will take the loss of those players in order to attract a much larger crowd.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:02:00 -
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To the OP: CCP's vision for Eve is written all over the walls, if you're paying attention. It's in the dev blogs, the forums, the interviews they do with other outlets, EON magazine, the fanfest talks, etc, etc. It's not that hard to figure out if you're paying attention.
I'll give you a clue: their goal is to make the most sandbox style, sci-fi cool, and immersive MMOG on the block. What it is not: your personal game that is to be designed to suit your every whim. If you love it, stay, if it bores you leave.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
I'll give you a clue: their goal is to make the most sandbox style, sci-fi cool, and immersive MMOG on the block. What it is not: your personal game that is to be designed to suit your every whim. If you love it, stay, if it bores you leave.
I'll give you a clue, I didnt ask you.. and i dont need to be told about this game from either a alt or a one month old noob.
And on your point about making this the most sandbox style game, i would have to say that it seems they are moving more and more away from that concept for every patch they make
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Arna Padrona
3) High-sec was always supposed to be "the place for those that don't want pvp". War decs are there so that pvp IS possible in high-sec, if you seriously have a grudge against a rival corporation. Unfortunately, as anyone who ever tried starting a new corp in highsec knows, war-decs have become mostly a way for pirates to gank newbie corps, making high-sec at least as dangerous as low sec. This was never intended. This is CCP trying to plug one of the accidental "holes" they made in the security systems of high-sec.
I've always thought that hisec was supposed to be the place for those who are new and are just learning the game mechanics. I never saw it as a HAVEN to escape PvP.
For some reason, especially in the last year or so, that has become a common mentality. No longer is hisec where you start, it IS the game for so many. Why the change?
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
I'll give you a clue, I didnt ask you.. and i dont need to be told about this game from either a alt or a one month old noob.
I'll give you a clue: you posted in a public forum, I don't care if you didn't ask me directly.
And since when did time in the game determine the validity of someone's opinion? Oh, maybe that only happens when someone's opinion doesn't express what you want to hear?
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
I'll give you a clue, I didnt ask you.. and i dont need to be told about this game from either a alt or a one month old noob.
I'll give you a clue: you posted in a public forum, I don't care if you didn't ask me directly.
And since when did time in the game determine the validity of someone's opinion? Oh, maybe that only happens when someone's opinion doesn't express what you want to hear?
Time in the game determines how much experience you have to draw upon when you're presenting your conclusions. You have 1 month. You should probably STFU by now.
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:23:00 -
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So the hardcore elite of players who can shell out the ISK for nanoboats to gank players taking their first steps into PvP got smacked with a long overdue nerfbat.
So f'ing what?
You can remove all your points beyond 1. because that's what it's all about. Nothing more, nothing less.
Try doing what you (read: nanogangs) have always told anyone who uttered a word against the over-use of nano and speed in the game. Adapt!
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El Mauru
Amarr
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:27:00 -
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Go read chronicles or sth.
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Surreptitious
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:35:00 -
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If CCP did make an effort to explain their vision it would go a long way towards convincing disgruntled players to stay. Granted I doubt enough would/are leaving to worry CCP but in the interest of PR and the companies reputation I think it would be a big positive.
As it stands now, a few years down the road when they launch their next game, I think their growing "care-bear" rep will hurt to the point that alot of potential customers will just say "Pfft, another crap CCP game" and keep on walking.
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:47:00 -
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Well they need to do something with carriers/mom's. Not because of the balance or their roles but to try to fix the lag. 20-30 carriers can release 200-300 drones on a FC order, thats to much for the node to old.
Maybe boost the damage and hit points on the drones x2 and reduce the amount of drones they can relase by 1/2.  ... Carriers/mom's would retain their firepower and drone effectiveness and the number of drones would be halfed. Lag would decrease that's for sure.
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Faife
Minmatar
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:52:00 -
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my vision of eve includes a pet kitty. i'd like that coded in. it can have it's own mini pod.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nalena Arlath
You can remove all your points beyond 1. because that's what it's all about. Nothing more, nothing less.
Try doing what you (read: nanogangs) have always told anyone who uttered a word against the over-use of nano and speed in the game. Adapt!
 If you take a quick look on the kills and losses i have you will quickly find out that im very far from being a big user of nano ships.
with the sole exeption of my vaga wich i dont fly very often you will quickly find that all my ships are heavy tanked ones and that my most flown ships are battleships
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Lucy'Lastic
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
I'll give you a clue, I didnt ask you.. and i dont need to be told about this game from either a alt or a one month old noob.
I'll give you a clue: you posted in a public forum, I don't care if you didn't ask me directly.
And since when did time in the game determine the validity of someone's opinion? Oh, maybe that only happens when someone's opinion doesn't express what you want to hear?
Time in the game determines how much experience you have to draw upon when you're presenting your conclusions. You have 1 month. You should probably STFU by now.
Time in game means nothing. It's still possible to be someone who 'remembers the good ol' days' and still be an idiot.
Telling people to stfu on a public forum is like telling people not to drive their cars on the freeway.
Why don't you threaten him with a war dec or something? Or set about making his time in Eve impossible because he has an opinion?
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Arna Padrona
2) High-sec was always supposed to be "the place for those that don't want pvp". I don't think anyone at CCP ever saw suicide gankings as a realistic possibility, and it was certainly NOT intentional. For high-sec pvp, the intention was to use war-decs - which would at least give a high-sec pilot a warning: this is a really bad time to fly around with valuable goods. This is CCP trying to plug one of the accidental "holes" they made in the security systems of high-sec.
The devs have posted both in the forums and devblogs that suicide ganking is an intended mechanism... They've also stated that it should cost the attacker.
This nerf merely makes it more expensive than it was.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 07/08/2008 17:12:14
Originally by: Lucy'Lastic
Time in game means nothing. It's still possible to be someone who 'remembers the good ol' days' and still be an idiot.
this is very true indeed.
Originally by: Lucy'Lastic
Why don't you threaten him with a war dec or something? Or set about making his time in Eve impossible because he has an opinion?
why should i threaten him with that? and i have no intrest in griefing him for saying what he thinks.
I do however say that with a only a month of playing he will have very little idea of what eve is really about as you have yet to experience much in the game in a month of playing
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And all i really asked for in this thread was for the devs to tell the players what they really want eve to look like in the future as i know a lot of players want to know what ccp's vision really is.
oh, and i have no plans to leave the game cause of a nano nerf.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Yelan Zhou on 07/08/2008 17:23:42
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
I'll give you a clue, I didnt ask you.. and i dont need to be told about this game from either a alt or a one month old noob.
I'll give you a clue: you posted in a public forum, I don't care if you didn't ask me directly.
And since when did time in the game determine the validity of someone's opinion? Oh, maybe that only happens when someone's opinion doesn't express what you want to hear?
I will give you a clue too.If you play a game for years you invested alot(no i dont mean money)
One stays for years because one likes the direction/vision of the game.Iam one of those who saw to many MMOs going downhill because (new)people wanted to change the vision and the devs listened to them ($$$)
Iam new to EvE too and I joined because its NOT like all those spoonfeeding MMOs out there
The op asked a valid question and an answer like "look, its all written here and there" is indeed one who can **** people off concerned with the direction of this game.
War, War never changes.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:27:00 -
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It has been a while since Oveur has posted the yearly vision for eve.
Or some other senior dev would be good as well, but Oveur is the best.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
why should i threaten him with that? and i have no intrest in griefing him for saying what he thinks.
I do however say that with a only a month of playing he will have very little idea of what eve is really about as you have yet to experience much in the game in a month of playing
But the question you were asking has nothing to do with time in the game. You asked CCP to explain their vision for Eve, and all I am saying is that they have, in many different venues, many, many times. It's all there for you to see. I'm not sure what my time in the game has to do with the subject at hand.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
why should i threaten him with that? and i have no intrest in griefing him for saying what he thinks.
I do however say that with a only a month of playing he will have very little idea of what eve is really about as you have yet to experience much in the game in a month of playing
But the question you were asking has nothing to do with time in the game. You asked CCP to explain their vision for Eve, and all I am saying is that they have, in many different venues, many, many times. It's all there for you to see. I'm not sure what my time in the game has to do with the subject at hand.
You are right, your time in the game has nothing to do with it.That said it dosnt make your comment better.
War, War never changes.
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