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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:46:00 -
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Its about time as currently the changes are complete opposite of what has been said is the vision for EVE. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Kalmanaka
Caldari Shade.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:00:00 -
[32]
Did anyone else notice that the focus changed from wanting to get hi-sec players out to 0.0 into wanting to cater to the majority who happen to live in hi-sec?
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Drunk Driver on 07/08/2008 18:07:58
Originally by: ArmyOfMe First of all, this is not a whine post.
Yes, it is.
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Isilwen Nightfall
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Isilwen Nightfall on 07/08/2008 18:18:07
Am i the only one who thinks that this "gank nerf" won't change a damn thing?
Let's face it.
First of all, in this game there are people who enjoy pve, and people who enjoy pvp. Heck, even people who enjoy mining. In my opinion, people who dislike pvp should not be considered "inferior" by uber pvp players. That's just dumb. Players have the right to spend their time as they prefer. EvE is this, too: to be able to choose the path that is more fun for the individual. If every player of EvE was a pure pvper, i would find that quite boring indeed.
This being said, i see no reason to panic. People who enjoy pvp will still play in 0.0-/FW/lowsec (depending on their preferences), while people who dislike pvp will still play in empire space. No one (or a VERY small quantity) will move or change their playstyle because of this change. It's that simple. And a "nerf" like this one won't change a thing. People who do not like pvp will still not like pvp. People who love pvp will still pvp.
So let's not be emo here. Eve is a game and it should entertain everyone. Not only a small percentage of playerbase.
And just to be clear, i live in 0.0 and pvp everyday. ---
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Syniztur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:14:00 -
[35]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe First of all, this is not a whine post.
/tossed into whine-post-trash-bin
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:31:00 -
[36]
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
why should i threaten him with that? and i have no intrest in griefing him for saying what he thinks. I do however say that with a only a month of playing he will have very little idea of what eve is really about as you have yet to experience much in the game in a month of playing
But the question you were asking has nothing to do with time in the game. You asked CCP to explain their vision for Eve, and all I am saying is that they have, in many different venues, many, many times. It's all there for you to see. I'm not sure what my time in the game has to do with the subject at hand.
well you see, what they say and what they actually do are at times quite contradicting in terms of gameplay.
they say they dont want as big blobs yet they make cyno jammers that require tons and tons of ppl to kill. they say they dont want the game to turn into capital online yet they give us titans and require us to use tons of dreads and carriers to take over systems.
they say they want small gangs to be a important part of the game, yet they bring in jumpbridges and nerf nano gangs wich is atm the one thing you can do to roam around in.
they say they want balance and yet their changes their current changes on sisi makes things more unbalanced.
this is the reason i made the op, cause i want a clear answer to them regarding what direction they want this game to go.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver Edited by: Drunk Driver on 07/08/2008 18:07:58
Originally by: ArmyOfMe First of all, this is not a whine post.
Yes, it is.
please show me what part of the op that is a whine
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Drunk Driver Edited by: Drunk Driver on 07/08/2008 18:07:58
Originally by: ArmyOfMe First of all, this is not a whine post.
Yes, it is.
please show me what part of the op that is a whine
Probably because you brought up the topic of where CCP is really going with their concepts and designs for the future as they haven't been really clear (more like, muddled) on what their plan is for the coming years. This is something I'd like to know as well.
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eliminator2
Gallente Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:39:00 -
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CCP's main vision of EVE is beer drinking beer drinking erm hot sex from some of the devs and beer drinking
I FOR ONE SECOND THERE VISION!!!!
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Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rubra Admittedly, the trolls and whines on GD have nearly reached critical mass. Critical mass being where its simply not worth it for anyone to post anything constructive on General, nor other forums on Eve-O.
I am with the OP.
However, I believe that a great deal of this nerd rage permeating the community could be "nerfed" by having a senior lead developer who is respected by many...say, Oveur, to come out and post an extensive dev blog that addresses many of these points and others that have been brought up amongst players of this game. A long dev blog where answers are given, where CCP's vision of the game's present and the game's future are/will be, and most importantly, presented in a "no BS (no, not battleship)" manner. Just tell it like it is, that's all we ask for.
Asking to communicate with the player base a bit more isn't much to ask for.
/signed
And by all means give me a forum warning for that "/signed". No great loss, after all.
Those who have read my posts over the last 2 years will know that I have always been ready to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. I have always argued against hysterical abuse, been strongly supportive of the dev's right to guide the game according to their vision, been nothing but orthodox in my advocacy of personal responsibility, consequences for actions, risk vs reward: I loved what EvE stood for and defended that dogma passionately.
Call me a fanboy if you will: I played the game, loved it, spread the word, got many friends to subscribe, started additional accounts, enjoyed winning, survived losing, helped new players, ganked old players, pirated, fought wars, mined, missioned, ratted, rose from the depths of PvP ineptness to the dizzy heights of PvP mediocrity, made plans for the long term - loved the possibility of making meaningful plans for a meaningful long term. By any meaningful measure, I have contributed a lot to this game.
Without false pride, I say that I, and those like me, do deserve at least a clear, honest statement of where this game is going and what the devs' vision of the next couple of years is.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
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DeckardIRL
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:52:00 -
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Yes, the OP is another whine post.
1) Nano Nerf is long overdue... the game as correctly explained by the Dev was never to allow the exploiting of speed the way it has been... fair dues to the nano-gangs but speed is now being balanced correctly...
2) There are no changes to high sec ganking- it is just now the consequences are proporationally more severe... as it should be for systems with a different sec status'. A correct balance again...
3) nothing concrete yet just speculation
4) nothing concrete yet just speculation
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 07/08/2008 18:56:57
Originally by: DeckardIRL Yes, the OP is another whine post.
1) Nano Nerf is long overdue... the game as correctly explained by the Dev was never to allow the exploiting of speed the way it has been... fair dues to the nano-gangs but speed is now being balanced correctly...
I never whined about the nano nerf in the op and ive actually stated for a very long time ingame that nanos needed a nerf.
Originally by: DeckardIRL 2) There are no changes to high sec ganking- it is just now the consequences are proporationally more severe... as it should be for systems with a different sec status'. A correct balance again...
again, i didnt whine in the op about those changes either, ive even posted on the forums before saying that changes to high sec ganking should happen, and i agree with that changes currently on the way.
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DeckardIRL
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe again, i didnt whine in the op about those changes either, ive even posted on the forums before saying that changes to high sec ganking should happen, and i agree with that changes currently on the way.
At last you have stated your opinion, thus we are likely in agreement that CCP are trying to balance the game correctly in as many areas as possible. This makes suprises a little harder to come across as players will be able to correctly ascertain a situation with nothing coming out of left field..
thus players will have to become even more creative... and those new ways in a balanaced environment should be un-nerfable.
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
Trojanman190
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Trojanman190 on 07/08/2008 19:07:32 Edited by: Trojanman190 on 07/08/2008 19:06:21 I think a lot of people here are COMPLETELY MISSING the entire point of what the op is saying. He doesnt care about the nerfs. He just wants to know the general dev direction, and so do I.
I want to know what the thinking is not behind individual nerfs but with all of the nerfs combined.
1.) Why is it ok for them to eliminate setups that people trained months or years for? 2.) Why is the answer to all of eve's problem a nerf?
My honest opinion is that the forums would be a much more positive place if the devs lead the way by being more positive themselves. Nerf implies negativity. Removal of features. People loved what happened with the amar because it was a BOOST. The em nerf was small enough and widespread enough for people to not really give it to much thought.
So my main questions. Why nerf? Why not boosts? A good developer / designer should be able to accomplish the same thing a nerf accomplishes by boosting something else. We are pretty far beyond the days of no stacking penalties and eve has become very well developed, so why are these crazy nerfs needed?
And lastly, you devs listen to your player base's whines, but NEVER listen to any of our solutions. A ton of people have proposed a tremendous number of GOOD balances for the nano nerf but you not only completely ignore them, you don't tell us why you ignore them.
I would very much like devs to take the top 3 or 4 nano balance ideas from the game dev forum and the assembly hall and explain EXACTLY why you did not feel they were good enough to even have parts of them included.
This would provide insight into: 1. How you think the game currently plays (ie, do you devs actually play it) 2. Where you want the game to go. And would prove: 1. That you care about our opinions. 2. That you are listening to our opinions. 3. That you consider our opinions.
If you look back at dev blogs from the past there are TONS of them and the developers comment with the players on each and every single blog. Where did that go? You guys have lost the image of being players like us and have now become this other third party force in the sky (you know what I'm saying)
The nano nerf is behind us, its going to get implemented (thanks for keeping us in the loop on that, not) but please take the time to reassure your "followers" that you are still there and listening and considering and replying.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:40:00 -
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sadly it seems that the only way to get a dev response on a thread these days is if u write either exploit, moderation or credit card problem as part of the thread name
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Esk Esme
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:48:00 -
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A/ they verision is fluffy clouds of gas were pod pilot's dance pod by pod in unaty to mine for time payed for with real cash ( subsription)
B/ they drunk and fogot wot game they playing and was on WoW for past year
my english sux sue me :)-
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Lorna Loot
Caldari Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:50:00 -
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Personally, I can't wait to design my own house in a station, Just imagine all the colours of carpet you will be able to choose! Once they implement the house building skill (which you cant train you have to do it to get SP) ill be on the mad rush to build the biggest and best house, then ill hold a party where everyone can /dance.
Who needs spaceships anyway? ----------
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Esk Esme
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:58:00 -
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Who needs spaceships anyway?
its a spaceshiop online game maybe there is a a clue there
ballance was almost right if ccp put damps and nos bck they way they were they had pvp on roaming lvl sorted also suport for fleets and gorrilar warfare
but like they say if it aint broke dnt fix it WTF ccp fixing something that aint broke for
fix the lag situation ffs haha muppets blagging costomers lol
my english sux sue me
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Lorna Loot
Caldari Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lorna Loot on 07/08/2008 20:10:09
Originally by: Esk Esme
Quote:
Who needs spaceships anyway?
its a spaceshiop online game maybe there is a a clue there
Troll hits for -1 Internets.
Edit: fixed my quote because you fail at it. ----------
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Coddity
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Posted - 2008.08.07 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe But anyhow, my main question is simple, can you please explain to the rest of us what your current vision of eve is as i think a lot of us really want to know that
I'd like to see the exact same thing.
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:48:00 -
[51]
Still hoping a dev will actually see this thread and respond to it...
(/me wonders if it would have been better to get chribba to start the thread)
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:11:00 -
[52]
I think they avoid these things like the plague. If we brought a giant banner with this on it to Fanfest, we wouldn't see a dev all week. --------
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:26:00 -
[53]
I has something important to say, but I forgot what it was because I couldn't decide quickly enough if I wanted to post with my newly-created alt just to **** people off.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190 Edited by: Trojanman190 on 07/08/2008 19:07:32 Edited by: Trojanman190 on 07/08/2008 19:06:21 I think a lot of people here are COMPLETELY MISSING the entire point of what the op is saying. He doesnt care about the nerfs. He just wants to know the general dev direction, and so do I.
I want to know what the thinking is not behind individual nerfs but with all of the nerfs combined.
1.) Why is it ok for them to eliminate setups that people trained months or years for? 2.) Why is the answer to all of eve's problem a nerf?
My honest opinion is that the forums would be a much more positive place if the devs lead the way by being more positive themselves. Nerf implies negativity. Removal of features. People loved what happened with the amar because it was a BOOST. The em nerf was small enough and widespread enough for people to not really give it to much thought.
So my main questions. Why nerf? Why not boosts? A good developer / designer should be able to accomplish the same thing a nerf accomplishes by boosting something else. We are pretty far beyond the days of no stacking penalties and eve has become very well developed, so why are these crazy nerfs needed?
And lastly, you devs listen to your player base's whines, but NEVER listen to any of our solutions. A ton of people have proposed a tremendous number of GOOD balances for the nano nerf but you not only completely ignore them, you don't tell us why you ignore them.
I would very much like devs to take the top 3 or 4 nano balance ideas from the game dev forum and the assembly hall and explain EXACTLY why you did not feel they were good enough to even have parts of them included.
This would provide insight into: 1. How you think the game currently plays (ie, do you devs actually play it) 2. Where you want the game to go. And would prove: 1. That you care about our opinions. 2. That you are listening to our opinions. 3. That you consider our opinions.
If you look back at dev blogs from the past there are TONS of them and the developers comment with the players on each and every single blog. Where did that go? You guys have lost the image of being players like us and have now become this other third party force in the sky (you know what I'm saying)
The nano nerf is behind us, its going to get implemented (thanks for keeping us in the loop on that, not) but please take the time to reassure your "followers" that you are still there and listening and considering and replying.
This. And you know it's good. I'm agreeing with Tri... --
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Call me a fanboy if you will: I played the game, loved it, spread the word, got many friends to subscribe, started additional accounts, enjoyed winning, survived losing, helped new players, ganked old players, pirated, fought wars, mined, missioned, ratted, rose from the depths of PvP ineptness to the dizzy heights of PvP mediocrity, made plans for the long term - loved the possibility of making meaningful plans for a meaningful long term. By any meaningful measure, I have contributed a lot to this game.
Without false pride, I say that I, and those like me, do deserve at least a clear, honest statement of where this game is going and what the devs' vision of the next couple of years is.
I feel the same way here.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Those who have read my posts over the last 2 years will know that I have always been ready to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. I have always argued against hysterical abuse, been strongly supportive of the dev's right to guide the game according to their vision, been nothing but orthodox in my advocacy of personal responsibility, consequences for actions, risk vs reward: I loved what EvE stood for and defended that dogma passionately.
Call me a fanboy if you will: I played the game, loved it, spread the word, got many friends to subscribe, started additional accounts, enjoyed winning, survived losing, helped new players, ganked old players, pirated, fought wars, mined, missioned, ratted, rose from the depths of PvP ineptness to the dizzy heights of PvP mediocrity, made plans for the long term - loved the possibility of making meaningful plans for a meaningful long term. By any meaningful measure, I have contributed a lot to this game.
Without false pride, I say that I, and those like me, do deserve at least a clear, honest statement of where this game is going and what the devs' vision of the next couple of years is.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim!
Or was that the other way around?
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Grim Mercy
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: J Kunjeh
I'll give you a clue: their goal is to make the most sandbox style, sci-fi cool, and immersive MMOG on the block. What it is not: your personal game that is to be designed to suit your every whim. If you love it, stay, if it bores you leave.
I'll give you a clue, I didnt ask you.. and i dont need to be told about this game from either a alt or a one month old noob.
And on your point about making this the most sandbox style game, i would have to say that it seems they are moving more and more away from that concept for every patch they make
Yeah man, he totally pointed you in the right direction to find the answer to your question... maybe he went about it a little rudely, but there answers are there.
And by your replies (and by the opening post, to be honest) it looks like you just don't want to hear it. Age of a character has nothing to do with it, either. This character is a year and a month old, but I've been playing Eve off and on for 3 years. How much more qualified does that make me?
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ArmyOfMe
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.08 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Mercy
Yeah man, he totally pointed you in the right direction to find the answer to your question... maybe he went about it a little rudely, but there answers are there.
And by your replies (and by the opening post, to be honest) it looks like you just don't want to hear it. Age of a character has nothing to do with it, either. This character is a year and a month old, but I've been playing Eve off and on for 3 years. How much more qualified does that make me?
well i was in a bad mood when i replied to his post and didnt really meen to act as i did there.
but if you read one of my other posts in this thread you will see that imo ccp doesnt do what they say but quite the other way around most of the time.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 08/08/2008 07:07:30
Originally by: Kalmanaka Did anyone else notice that the focus changed from wanting to get hi-sec players out to 0.0 into wanting to cater to the majority who happen to live in hi-sec?
Meh, it's been that way for a long time. From when I joined in 2004 at least.
CCP have always wanted to cater for the majority. They know it's the only way for Eve to survive and the only way for their company to turn a profit.
Anyway these changes don't directly affect 0.0. Indirectly if anything they might slightly increase 0.0 population. It's possible that there will be a ripple down effect where everyone except carebears moves to a low security level and some people being so disgusted with Empire that they move into 0.0. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
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Joza Gulikoza
The first genesis
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Posted - 2008.08.08 10:15:00 -
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So this is a four point whine topic rather than just nanocry or suicidecry. How original! It's hard to please everybody. Don't cry it will be all right your broken toys will get a fix and then you will adapt and find another weak spot to exploit! Isn't it fun to try new things? I mean who wants to do the same things over and over anyway?
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