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Chrono Homega
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:12:00 -
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As tittle says, buy orders've fallen to 50k isk,(see EVE-central). That means about 2M isk per hour for me. I cannot follow the rithm of macrominers and their multiple accounts, because I have no time. So I leave my favorite (yes... -.-)role in game as ice miner, in order to playing level 4 missions, wich makes me about 20M hour, that is ten times the profit mining.
I Still thinck CCP should make something with Empire ice macrominers.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Power Corrupts Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:22:00 -
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A suggestion if you don't need the isk today, you could continue mining ice until it shoots back up and then offload your nice stockpile. 
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Chrono Homega
I Still thinck CCP should make something with Empire ice macrominers.
Round about 14.95 a month x 1000000000000000000000000 accounts amirite.
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Chrono Homega
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:12:00 -
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Ice price will never go back up. There should be a stock of about 10000 billions of ice units and a demand of about 1 million a month... |
Borini
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:32:00 -
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Wel tbh i think CCP needs to do more about macro miners in general. Its quite easy to check wich accounts use timecodes bougth with isk as we all know macroers don't 'pay' for their accounts. After they have a list like that its easy to check where the caracters on those accounts are and what they did in the last month or so.
I think that with a good programmer you can even automate it into a nice tool that reports macroers and automaticly deletes the caracter. (not the account) If it takes a while to train a new caracter all the way up to being profitable for a macroer you can still sell him the time code :)
But all in all there should be something done about isk farmers in general not only ice miners.
Greets Borini
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Satrani Destiva
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Satrani Destiva on 07/08/2008 16:18:33
Originally by: Borini
I think that with a good programmer you can even automate it into a nice tool that reports macroers and automaticly deletes the caracter.
Lol out macro the macro miner. Intersting if a bit hypocrytical.
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Grann Thefauto
Minmatar
Running with Knives
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:35:00 -
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Where are these macrominers? I think we may be able to arrange for an "unfortunate accident"...
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Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Grann Thefauto
Where are these macrominers? I think we may be able to arrange for an "unfortunate accident"...
I don't like waiting around for accidents to happen, can't you just shoot them?
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ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Constance Harme
Originally by: Grann Thefauto
Where are these macrominers? I think we may be able to arrange for an "unfortunate accident"...
I don't like waiting around for accidents to happen, can't you just shoot them?
Made my day. 
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Vigilant
Gallente
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2008.08.08 02:15:00 -
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Mine for yourself
Mine to stockpile and wait on price to jump up
Macro / Farmers have killed the market and CCP doesn't give a flying frack...They just want them to keep buying GTC's with there illegal isk.
Oh and you want to nuke them, try EveryShore Region.. pretty much any ice belt (Tolle is usually pack full of them)
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Andalusia Rohr
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.08 02:49:00 -
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Basically any ice belt in Empire. I mine ice to support a couple of POS, so I jump between Emolgrian and Ignebauer. Both of them are often full of macrominers.
If you like to mine ice, mine ice. :) What do you need the ISK for if you like to mine ice.
AR
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.08 05:04:00 -
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Wouldn't the idea be to keep mining the ice so the price keeps dropping and the macroers have to be even more obvious to make good isk ? :p (Though I'm not sure how more obvious you have to be than a dozen retrievers that all cycle their shield boosters and lasers at exactly the same instant.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.08 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Wouldn't the idea be to keep mining the ice so the price keeps dropping and the macroers have to be even more obvious to make good isk ? :p (Though I'm not sure how more obvious you have to be than a dozen retrievers that all cycle their shield boosters and lasers at exactly the same instant.
listen guys CCP is different from others companies they actually PLAY there game if this was going on for real they would obviously take action so I can only assume you are a liar sir
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Borini
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Posted - 2008.08.08 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
listen guys CCP is different from others companies they actually PLAY there game if this was going on for real they would obviously take action so I can only assume you are a liar sir[/quote
You should try and mine ice a while. Then you can see the truth for yourself. But tbh i got a nice true sansha item from those macroers (about 85 mil worth) they didn't even pick up the loot from there macro kill :)
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RasTa KiLLeR
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.08 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: RasTa KiLLeR on 08/08/2008 17:10:13
Originally by: Chrono Homega
As tittle says, buy orders've fallen to 50k isk,(see EVE-central). That means about 2M isk per hour for me. I cannot follow the rithm of macrominers and their multiple accounts, because I have no time. So I leave my favorite (yes... -.-)role in game as ice miner, in order to playing level 4 missions, wich makes me about 20M hour, that is ten times the profit mining.
So... let's see if i got the idea right. You are complaining because you make more isk per hour?? Is that it??? 
I think it's time most of you guys pull your heads out of your asses and see that the market is mainly influenced by POS in 0.0 and the alliance warfare. Everyone knows that more and more alliances in 0.0 are putting down towers or even let them get offline. The days of massive POS spaming are practically over. Also keep in mind that some 0.0 corporations are in FW now and they don't need to worry about fueling any kind POS.
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I Still thinck CCP should make something with Empire ice macrominers.
Sooooooooo... 0.0 ice macros are ok for you ??
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Ting So
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Posted - 2008.08.08 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Borini
Wel tbh i think CCP needs to do more about macro miners in general. Its quite easy to check wich accounts use timecodes bougth with isk as we all know macroers don't 'pay' for their accounts. After they have a list like that its easy to check where the caracters on those accounts are and what they did in the last month or so.
I think that with a good programmer you can even automate it into a nice tool that reports macroers and automaticly deletes the caracter. (not the account) If it takes a while to train a new caracter all the way up to being profitable for a macroer you can still sell him the time code :)
But all in all there should be something done about isk farmers in general not only ice miners.
Greets Borini
Perhaps while they're at it they can find Big Foot and also tell us where the Loch Ness Monster hides. Oh, and the aliens, can't forget the aliens. |
Zero Checksum
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Posted - 2008.08.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Borini
Its quite easy to check wich accounts use timecodes bougth with isk as we all know macroers don't 'pay' for their accounts.
Professional farmers do pay their subscriptions, they pay with stolen credit card numbers. And the banking fees incurred because of those chargebacks is probably a major issue for CCP.
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dust queen
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.09 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: dust queen on 09/08/2008 01:47:58
(insured 8-slot BS + 8 t1 smarties (t2 if you're feeling generous) + buffer tank) x as many times as you can afford isk/sec status
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a river of macro tears in which to bathe
edit: really, the solution is somehow making macros vulnerable to wardecs, or placing restrictions on ice mining that somehow make macros vulnerable to pvp without getting the pvp'ers hands dirty
really, i think CCP should return sc status to pilots that lost it from ganking macros
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Pya Rubey
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Posted - 2008.08.09 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: dust queen
really, the solution is somehow making macros vulnerable to wardecs, or placing restrictions on ice mining that somehow make macros vulnerable to pvp without getting the pvp'ers hands dirty
really, i think CCP should return sc status to pilots that lost it from ganking macros
This sounds like a good suggestion. Perhaps they could add some ISKie sugar for pirates and PvPers to go macrohunting - maybe give a little bonus of 20% of the ship cost for every macro mining barge or exhumer they pop. That sound fun? Kill some macro Hulks, get 20m for each one you pop and don't lose any sec status even if you pod the buggers.
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Tarke
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:03:00 -
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So how do you tell the micro guy from the guy with more then a few accounts?
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fatesealed
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:23:00 -
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you need rats in all ice belts and make them spawn more often and make the belt smaller because at the moment when a rat comes you can just warp to the top of the belt and they dont attack you
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Vigilant
Gallente
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tarke
So how do you tell the micro guy from the guy with more then a few accounts?
Macro / farmer never use a GSC, usually run there shield boosters full time, always use the same warp in point, anymore they seem to have a Concord cloud near them, usually never engange rats, never talk in local, generally fill there cargo and warp back to station (they got smart and stopped jet canning, people having to much fun ripping them off constantly). Lastly, there names are something like "AKSKLS(EKDKJ", corp history is usually short if any, always in NPC Corps, and they don't have any standings.
All that says "Macro / Farmer" to me.... Occassionaly you find a noob that never found a home, that looks like this... but he will talk to in local and generally has some standings.
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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:59:00 -
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None of you ahs any idea how macro farmers operate. I suggest you go run you lvl4's.
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:28:00 -
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Well Darwin's Market,,no doubt you will enlighten us, so when i ice mine i won't look like a macro miner.
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Tarke
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:24:00 -
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Watch next time they will add a bit to the program to have the micros talking to each other in local just to make people happier. Then again once an hour a message will hit local, "I'm not a micro, I'm talking in local."
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Satrani Destiva
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant
usually run there shield boosters full time,
I run my shield booster rather than dropping drones as I have my overview set for the item i'm mining and nothing else so unless I get an agression countdown in the top left I don't even notice rats Originally by: Vigilant
always use the same warp in point,
I use the same warp in point. As you know most of us miners are quite anal about being as efficient as possible and landing at the belt and having to travel to get in range of the closest lump of ice in a crowded section of the belt isn't ideal Originally by: Vigilant
usually never engange rats,
See me first comment Originally by: Vigilant
never talk in local,
Local chat is usually inane chatter about ridiculous crap that doesn't even concern me so I unblink it and ignore it for the most part. I do however chat to the rest of my corp Originally by: Vigilant
generally fill there cargo and warp back to station
I do this too as I don't have a dedicated hauler and jet canning 27 pieces of long awaited cubes just for some noob ganker to come along and rob it isn't an option Originally by: Vigilant
always in NPC Corps
I am in an NPC corp but only while the standings are being increased for my indy corp.
Basically what I'm saying is even if people do meet the criteria of being a macro miner doesn't mean they necessarily are, but definitely could be. There needs to be some easier and better way to tell a macro miner apart from the other legitimate miners who just look like they might be macros.
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Tarke
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:17:00 -
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I think that is what I'm saying.
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Divad Ginleek
Gallente
Gateway Industries
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2008.08.10 01:19:00 -
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The solution to the problem: train an alt to *race name* industrial 1, find some macros, and haul their ice for them (straight to your hanger).
or, if your rich, fill a BS with smart bombs and pay a visit to the middle of their group in all your pulsating glory.
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Isadora Dunn
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:09:00 -
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Lower ice prices will just mean MORE macroer's trying to generate the same level of ISK'ie income.
I've actually wondered if CCP is manipulating the market, but long and hard thought wrt the above premise suggests otherwise. I'm still wary however.
As far as us pure miners who use shields, don't engage rats and dont talk... well... a lot of us like to keep our faction at zero so we don't screw with corp faction calculations wrt POS setup, Jump Clones and NPC Corp standings in general. We've switched FROM jetcanning because of the plethora of self-righteous flotsam that frequent the belts thinking they are doing EVE a favor by griefing those of us who are mining legitimately, and frankly very few interesting convo's ever take place in local so ./blinkoff.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Isadora Dunn
Lower ice prices will just mean MORE macroer's trying to generate the same level of ISK'ie income.
No. Isk farming depends on other things. There's certain value (isk from ice mining, datacore farming, etc) in an account, and certain costs (GTCs, cost of labor, etc). Once the costs (however they are measured) exceed the income, then the account almost surely will shut down. GTC prices have gone down in recent weeks (so I hear in market discussions forum) around a third so that may be a large component of the ice price decline. There may also be some improvements in macro technology so that labor costs may have declined as well. I don't know.
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