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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.06.01 18:04:00 -
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www.BIG-EVE.com
In (#28SE) BIG Games Newsletter : Giving away 1.75 Billion ISK we announced a change to the rules of the BIG Lottery.
As rounds 27 and 28 are connected (tickets bought in round 27 are valid in round 28 as well) this was a change of rules 'mid-game'.
The thought of changing rules 'mid-game' would not even have occured to us, had it not been becuase it was suggested/asked for by 'the general public' on the GalNet.
Already on 2004.05.12 (2 days into round 27) the first request about a rule change was made. Later the same day, we (I) replied we where considering it - But the excact nature of the change would depend on the pot size.
The change asked for, and the actual change implemented where not identical.
We took it one step further.
The main object of the change (and the one most people objects to) was to ensure that more people in the future would benefit from a large prize payout from the BIG Lottery (for as long as possible).
No amount of debating on the GalNet seemed to sway the opponents of the change - So in the end, realizing the futility of keeping debating, as this only seemed to 'fuel the flames' even more, we decided to read rather than write.
Some agreed that the changes where for the better, some agreed but didnt like the way it was 'forced' on people who had already bought tickets, and some where totally against it all together - and a mixed bunch demanded their money back, as they felt they had been scammed.
We have spend the last time reading what has been posted, and have (internally) debated how to solve this to everyones satisfaction (or as close to as possible - we fully realize *someone* will *always* be dis-satisfied no matter what we do).
We still believe that the changes made will have a greater positive influence on the populace of EVE overall, than the old rules.
As such - The new rules stand unchanged.
But regardless of our views - Others will think differently, and feel cheated one way or another, because they have not gotten 'their monies worth'.
As such we are offering these people to get their ISK back.
This should hopefully put to rest any misconceptions about what BIG is all about.
For the record: If you ask for your ISK back, you are no longer eligible for the round 28 drawing of 3 prizes for a total of 1.75 Billion ISK - Thats the choice you make.
Regardless that you have *already* participated in the Imperial Issue Apocalypse draw - *We* are not going to argue about how much of your 'tickets worth' you have already gotten - You simply get a full refund of any tickets you have bought in round 27+28.
The way to get a refund is to EVE-mail 'BIG Games' - With the tittle "Refund wanted".
You are not required to write the amount in the message part, as we already have this information.
You can not use one char to claim a refund for several chars.
We will honor any refund request made up until the last minute of round 28.
Any refund requests made *after* the round ends (and round 29 thus has started) will be ignored.
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Also as a service, as announced in (#28A) BIG Games Newsletter, we have returned the ISK for excess tickets purchases (exceeding the combined 5000 ticket limit for round 27+28) made during the past week.
Thankfully most people seems to be aware of the limit - and only 11 people had exceded this limit.
These 11 people have had a combined sum of 14,010,000 ISK refunded today.
Please be aware that we do not offer this service any longer - It's your responsability to monitor that you do not go over the 5000 ticket limit - Any further excess purchases *will* be threated as donations.
*DO* use the receipt page (ingame only!) to check how many tickets you already have, if you plan to make additional purchases.
Making these refunds are very time consumming....
Remember the drawing of the new, the 28th, round of the BIG Lottery is on monday June 7th 1800 EVE time (GMT) in ingame channel 'BIG Games'.
Good Luck.
BIG Lottery
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.06.01 18:23:00 -
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Dang, the work load must be immense. If you keep doing this to yourself, you might end up with the infamous 'event brain exploding'-descease 
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.06.01 22:18:00 -
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Good news if you ask me, BIG did have a reputation to uphold though  . And it would still have been better if they didn't change the whole lottery basics they have been using while a lottery was still going on...
GL with all the work though, will be ALOT of work even if only a small portion would ask a refund. Also this might be a problem if to many people will try it.
Anyways to conclude this, dont hold a lottery next time while changing the rules in between and not offering this in the first place.
(and yes im gonna send a msg to BIG games to get a refund)
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Mituno Sakai
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Posted - 2004.06.01 22:28:00 -
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I would suspect the majority of players to hold on to their tickets. Bottom line is 1 billion isk (or whatever the first is) is still a pretty nice prize and I doubt anybody is seriously missing the isk the payed in the first case to the lottery.
This was always a question of ethics and principles. Some people will pretty much have to ask for a refund to be able to look themselves in the mirror.
Any chance the list of people asking for refunds can be made public?
..na you better not :p
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Nikkoli
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Posted - 2004.06.01 23:02:00 -
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I'm just waiting for all the people who complained to come up with some new thing to complain about because you know 90% of them wont ask for their ISK back....
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.06.01 23:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Nikkoli
I'm just waiting for all the people who complained to come up with some new thing to complain about because you know 90% of them wont ask for their ISK back....
Well in theory this would actually be a correct statement, because in theory BIG should have announced this right after announcing change of rules etc. But ahwell I'm just happy this has been resolved in the best way that was possible after the BIG screwup  . (dont mind my cheesy word joke, im dutch so cant help it to like some cheese every now and then )
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Woodwhisper
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Posted - 2004.06.02 00:19:00 -
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Actually I was one of those saying BIG needed to do something, and am pleased they have.
As such I will keep my tickets in the lottery and not ask for the refund and congratulate BIG on what *I* believe is a good and intelligent decision.
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TheFatman
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Posted - 2004.06.02 00:31:00 -
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Good move, solves the problem in my opinion.
Goodluck with future events, to both you and CCP.
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MiloMorai
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Posted - 2004.06.02 05:30:00 -
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ManOhManOhman, Torn if this doesn't satisfy Shevar and those of his "ilk", I don't know what will. I think you are going way beyond bending over backwards with this.
And NO, I do NOT want a refund.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.06.02 06:04:00 -
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Good solution TornSoul, though I wouldn't want the workload. I've hasked for my isk back as I lost interest with the new rules.
This restores most of my faith in BIG. 
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SinBin
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Posted - 2004.06.02 12:54:00 -
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Hi all, This is my first forum post & maybe in abit the wrong place, so soz.
I like the sound of the Big lottery BUT did it just cons loads of player out of billions ? for a chance to win the Impoc ?, but as i look at the news the impoc is busy playing out a ccp story ? & could never have been won by a user ?.
Who is running the con ?, is CCP involed in BIG ?.
I only sent 100k but i now a few noobs with less than 10mil that sent 1mil, so you have certanly hurt the babys, I agree most can afford it but still what was the real prize ?, the 3bil isk was fromt he tickets for the impoc ? & who won the 3 odd bill ?.
dont take it to bad but seem like fair ? & i think loads of user dont use the forum, so CCP should put about rebates in EVE news.
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crazychimp
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Posted - 2004.06.02 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: crazychimp on 02/06/2004 13:35:03
Good Job Torn. Eve-Mail Sent.
And Yes since CCP were involved the rabates should be made public on the news channel ingame, instead of hidding it away in a forum. Not everyone Forum Trolls like me
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.06.02 14:00:00 -
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Well I'm doing my fair share to get the word out. In equal measure to any "negative" comments I've made.
And no, I don't want a rebate either. I do believe in what Big does, in all of it's various activities, and will continue to support them as I can.
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nashi
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Posted - 2004.06.02 19:11:00 -
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SinBin:
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I like the sound of the Big lottery BUT did it just cons loads of player out of billions ? for a chance to win the Impoc ?, but as i look at the news the impoc is busy playing out a ccp story ? & could never have been won by a user ?.
Please see Lottery Page for information on the rules and who has won past prizes in the lottery, all players like you.
The winner of the Impoc and his/her corp decided to return the Impoc to the Amarr Government without any involvement with BIG. He/She won it, it was delivered, and BIG was done with the Impoc after that.
BIG has never made a profit from the Lottery, and if I remember correctly, CCP said BIG cannot keep any of the isk from the Impoc Drawing (BIG has yet to take 10% from any of the other lotteries over the last year either.) The Lottery will distribute all of the cash gained from it over the next few Lotteries.
That should answer your questions. See This Link for the origional post on this Lottery Drawing.
Good luck in this Lottery, only takes one ticket to win!
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Voltaire Leriel
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Posted - 2004.06.02 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Voltaire Leriel on 02/06/2004 19:19:51
Originally by: SinBin
Hi all, This is my first forum post & maybe in abit the wrong place, so soz.
I like the sound of the Big lottery BUT did it just cons loads of player out of billions ? for a chance to win the Impoc ?, but as i look at the news the impoc is busy playing out a ccp story ? & could never have been won by a user ?.
Who is running the con ?, is CCP involed in BIG ?.
I only sent 100k but i now a few noobs with less than 10mil that sent 1mil, so you have certanly hurt the babys, I agree most can afford it but still what was the real prize ?, the 3bil isk was fromt he tickets for the impoc ? & who won the 3 odd bill ?.
dont take it to bad but seem like fair ? & i think loads of user dont use the forum, so CCP should put about rebates in EVE news.
Well you've got some of your facts messed up: i'll clarify.
The Imp Apoc was given to a player, who in turn decided to give it up to the Amarr Empire, that was HIS CALL. We had NOTHING to do with it at all. BIG is neutral to all empires, we favor none of them.
second, the money made from the BIG lottery will be entered into the next drawing, if you bought tickets for round 27, then your tickets transfer to round 28, where we will only be giving away money. however we will not be giving away ALL of the money at once, because who the hell needs 3 billion? the prizes will be given out to 3 people rather than 1, so your odds of winning increase. some people don't like that the pot was limited, but the old pot was usually 50 million, not 1 billion.
BIG has never made a single ISK from the lottery, all of the ISK sent to BIG Games is eventaully given out as prizes at some point. though we are not giving away all of the 3 billion+ in round 28, we will give away more of that big wad in rounds 29 and on. hopefull, if everything works out ok and the popularity of the lottery increases, we will be able to sustain a pot of 1 billion for 1st prize.
This is alot better than the old pot of 50 million!
the basic idea is to allow more people to win reasonable ammounts of is. if we would have given all the money away with the apoc or with round 28, then the pot would decrease back to 50 million, and that would suck, and few peopel would play.
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Klitte
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Posted - 2004.06.02 22:41:00 -
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WOW Nelly.
Mega workload incoming....well hope not.
As for my part, i still think you're doing a great job with the Lottery.
My ISK were put in because I felt like betting and therefore had accepteded losing the ISK beforehand. BUT I'm gonna stick to it, and hopefully see some earnings on those tickets.
So by all means......Everybody make those refunds....better odds for us that stick by BIGgger and better prizes to come.
Keep up the good spirit TS. There are still people on the other side of a computer that know by heart what you're all about.
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Dhan
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Posted - 2004.06.03 22:32:00 -
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Too many paranoid people around...A player won the Impoc, and donated it to the empire. Then CCP wrote a story about it. But of course there are those who will take any event and make it into a conspiracy story. People need drama in their lives...
Originally by: SinBin
I like the sound of the Big lottery BUT did it just cons loads of player out of billions ? for a chance to win the Impoc ?, but as i look at the news the impoc is busy playing out a ccp story ? & could never have been won by a user ?.
Who is running the con ?, is CCP involed in BIG ?.
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Felsin
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Posted - 2004.06.03 22:53:00 -
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I feel this was a good move on bigs part as they did change the game half way into it. I now have full confidence in doing business with them since they acted to professionaly about the situation at hand. (fyi i am requesting my money back)
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SinBin
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Posted - 2004.06.04 12:21:00 -
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Thanks for info " nashi " its good to now.
I do read loads but lottery ect aint my thing so i probly didnt read much & i bet loads more read less.
I was only angry for the newbs but im shure your looking after um ok now, good luck in furture events.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.06.04 13:47:00 -
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Good solution. I didn't like the way you changed the rules after ppl had already paid their money, so this is probably the best way to deal with it. Note that I didn't (and don't) object to the new rules - only that they were changed after ppl had already paid their isk.
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One thing you may or may not want to consider though : Keeping the 1M cap, instead of increasing it to 5M. This is because more ppl can play that way, as 1M is a lot less and it's more likely that more ppl fill the whole quote just because they can afford it. I'm no expert though, and I don't know how much money ppl have, but keeping a cap on the money *will* make ppl more prone to bet the whole sum instead of smaller parts, and if more ppl can afford the max sum fairly easy then more ppl will bet the max sum (the risk is that ppl who can't afford 5M won't bet at all).
Keeping the cap balanced is the key - you'll probably gonna have to change the cap a little from round to round to get some balance in it...
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Nikkoli
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Posted - 2004.06.05 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
(the risk is that ppl who can't afford 5M won't bet at all).
Actually I only bet 1 million..... I would have bet 5 if I could have, but 1000 chances at 1 billion was better than zero chances. I figure since only one ticket can win 1 billion, if I was meant to win, I would only need to buy one ticket.
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Haratu
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Posted - 2004.06.05 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nikkoli
I figure since only one ticket can win 1 billion, if I was meant to win, I would only need to buy one ticket.
Although you have flawed logic when dealing with probability, you are completely right... only one ticket wins, so it is a waste if you buy heaps and win on just one.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2004.06.05 05:39:00 -
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I told you guys it would be taken care of.
Have Faith.
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