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oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.11 01:09:00 - [31] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/08/2008 23:33:55 But yes sorry for the troll post, however I do stand by some of what I said, like the differences between armor repping hictors and shield repping hictors. The problem with deliberate troll posts like that - especially in the Game Development forum - is that it's so common that it makes the Devs unlikely to take much notice of what they see here. It hides useful feedback in a sea of troll-noise. ...then people wonder why CCP implement changes without taking notice of the playerbase
FlameGlow Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.11 03:09:00 - [32] If it's supposed to tackle supercaps why does it need sig resolution of a cruiser? Nerf it to BS level or worse so HICs with infinipoins aren't used in gatecamping as much, and it'll be good. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Jim Hazard	Posted - 2008.08.11 04:00:00 - [33] HICs are totally not overpowered. They are that slow that you can even outrun them with just an afterburner. People usually only get caught by HICs when they think they can float arround without risk by fitting a few wcs. Here is a simple solution. Dont want to risk to jump into a ship that might be able to tackle you? Use a scout.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.11 14:38:00 - [34] Originally by: oilio Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/08/2008 23:33:55 But yes sorry for the troll post, however I do stand by some of what I said, like the differences between armor repping hictors and shield repping hictors. The problem with deliberate troll posts like that - especially in the Game Development forum - is that it's so common that it makes the Devs unlikely to take much notice of what they see here. It hides useful feedback in a sea of troll-noise. ...then people wonder why CCP implement changes without taking notice of the playerbase CCP read the game dev forum? Besides, I only trolled the title and the fashion that I wrote it, I had geniune thoughts behind that on the heavy interdictors, some of it has changed yes. But I do think maybe passive shields still need looking at.
AshtarDJ Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:31:00 - [35] Originally by: 5pinDizzy But I do think maybe passive shields still need looking at. While you're at it... why not look at the passive armour tank aswell.... cuz the abaddons, megas, geddons, etc with 70k armour HP and still being able to deal 800 dps seem a bit "broken". The biggest passive shield tankers in game have the same dps as a wet tissue when fitted like that. The only thing they can do is sit there tanking while keeping a point on someone for a while (since they have almost no cap recharge they eventually lose their point too.)
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 15:58:00 - [36] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I am going to get layed into here, because these ships are everywhere, and truely a flavour of the month, and do you know why? They are so damn friggin tough. 1. No ship can kill them 1 on 1, their tank is so utterly ridiculous they can tank any battleship or carrier. Bullshit. 1 BS can kill a HIC if it's properly setup. Hell I can solo a hic in my Command Ship (quickly, I might add).... 2 HAC's can kill a hic even. As for your claim that they can have a 1000DPS tank you are full of crap. If they are tanked against a SPECIFIC damage type, yes, they can tank about 1000dps... however that requires a fully ACTIVE tank which is vulnerable to neuts/nos and also has a gaping hole in it's resists that you can exploit. If it's packing an omnitank they can tank, at most, about 600DPS (counting resists). Quote: 2. Me and a gang of 10 people caught one once, we couldn't even scratch it's paint and had to let it go. No offense, then you suck. If a gang of 10 ships can't crack the tank on a hic you aren't packing enough DPS to begin with. Quote: 3. People are crying NERF FALCONS, hell no, I'm training for scorpians and falcons too. Why? How the hell else am I going to escape from these little pint sized monstrosities? I see broadswords everywhere in high and lowsec, they're like a plague. HICs aren't overpowered. They're very easy to kill if you fit properly for them. How do you escape? 1) Neut them... they aren't very cap stable and a neut will quickly kill their cap... not like they pack enough DPS to hurt you if they are max-tanked anyway... 2) Fly away... at most they're doing about 2k/sec and that's if they forego tank and fit for speed... in which case they are easy to kill. 3) Their lock time is total ass... in small ships you should easily be able to warp out before they can lock you. If they CAN lock you in time that means they have again gimped their tank and are easy to kill. Quote: 4. The Minmatar and Caldari heavy interdictors can fit the most disgustingly overpowered passive tank you can imagine. That's why they can't be killed, because they can't be nossed or neuted, and you won't escape becaise of course they have infinite point scramblers. Actually no they can't. If they fit a TRULY passive tank then they are limited to about a 400dps tank, granted it can be a very BIG tank but it's hp absorb isn't all that awesome and can be cracked fairly easily. If they fit a passive REGEN tank with ACTIVE hardeners then they can be neuted to eliminate their resists (and their tank will also, by the way, be smaller since they're using recharge tank ratehr than buffer tank). At MOST an active RESIST & passive Recharge Broadsword can absorb about 600hp/sec unless they're using damage specific resists. If neuted their resists drop SIGNIFICANTLY and their regen drops below 300hp/sec which is very easy to break. Bottom line: You are complaining about a ship that: 1) Locks slow 2) Has only 1 real role 3) Has crap DPS (any other cruiser class ship, even FORCE recons, have more DPS) 4) Has slow lock time 5) Has weak sensor strength 6) Is VERY cap dependant (take a look at how much cap it takes to run that bubble/point btw) 7) Is pretty slow, even when 'nano'd' (in which case it has no tank) It's ONLY defense is it's tank... it's also, by the way, completely unable to get away as long as it's running it's point or bubble. .
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Galliana Foresta Originally by: Gavin Darklighter I broke a broadsword solo today in my Maelstrom, but he deaggro'd at around 50% shields and just managed to jump as I took him into armor. I think they would be better served with a shield HP bonus and the shield recharge time of a battleship. Then the passive recharge tank is crap but the effective HP would be huge, making them more useful in their intended role. I hate to rupture your epeen, but peak shield recharge is around 33% - how could you know if you'd broken him if he docked at 50%? Deaggro: To stop shooting with the intention of being able to dock or use a stargate, subject to an aggro timer. Armor: The part of a ship that takes damage after shield is exhausted (or nearly exhausted).
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.08.12 08:42:00 - [38] The title was "NERF HEAVY DICTORS"... But really it should be "Nerf half of the heavy dictors". There's no serious issue with the armor tanking ones, people just laugh at them and break them with ease... Maybe not ease, but it's nowhere close to what the passive shield tanks do on those things... Maybe you could rename your thread "Nerf passive shield tanks"... Because it's not the HIC design that is flawed! -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.08.12 11:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Eleana Tomelac The title was "NERF HEAVY DICTORS"... But really it should be "Nerf half of the heavy dictors". There's no serious issue with the armor tanking ones, people just laugh at them and break them with ease... Maybe not ease, but it's nowhere close to what the passive shield tanks do on those things... Maybe you could rename your thread "Nerf passive shield tanks"... Because it's not the HIC design that is flawed! Do you actually fly one? I would like to see you run the projected warp disruption field generator, with your passive shield tank. A true passive shield tank, kills your cap regen. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Eleana Tomelac The title was "NERF HEAVY DICTORS"... But really it should be "Nerf half of the heavy dictors". There's no serious issue with the armor tanking ones, people just laugh at them and break them with ease... Maybe not ease, but it's nowhere close to what the passive shield tanks do on those things... Maybe you could rename your thread "Nerf passive shield tanks"... Because it's not the HIC design that is flawed! Do you actually fly one? I would like to see you run the projected warp disruption field generator, with your passive shield tank. A true passive shield tank, kills your cap regen. lol no a true carebear/mission runner fits shield power relyas for max tank. NORMAL ppl fit pdu's (and some times dcu..) So ur cap recharge doesnt get gimped. That said onyx is definately not overpowered, lol i did 1.5* the dmg of one using navy scourge in my sniper ferox (i was close up to lol)x) poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:38:00 - [41] Edited by: James Lyrus on 12/08/2008 17:38:39 Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Eleana Tomelac The title was "NERF HEAVY DICTORS"... But really it should be "Nerf half of the heavy dictors". There's no serious issue with the armor tanking ones, people just laugh at them and break them with ease... Maybe not ease, but it's nowhere close to what the passive shield tanks do on those things... Maybe you could rename your thread "Nerf passive shield tanks"... Because it's not the HIC design that is flawed! Do you actually fly one? I would like to see you run the projected warp disruption field generator, with your passive shield tank. A true passive shield tank, kills your cap regen. In true EFT warrior fashion, it is indeed possible to set up an Onyx to have an approximately comparable tank to a Drake. It's just massively pointless, as then you cap out running your _hardeners_ let alone the warp disruption field. And you still do less damage than a Drake does, whilst being uninsurable. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:14:00 - [42] A while ago a friend and I ran into Le Skunk and some of his buddies. Us: Tempest, Hyperion Them: Phobos, Phobos, Onyx, Sniping Hyperion Battle results: -2 Phobos, -1 Onyx. All 3 hics + the sniping hype did not put me in much danger (in the pest). One of the phoboses took an pretty decent amount of time to kill... he hung around 5% armor for AGES. The onyx absolutely melted. naturally the sniper buggered off after the fight. Now, all three of them were active tanks, and I never roll in a small gang bs without a neut, but the combination of pathetic dps + capacitor weakness kind of meant that they were walking into their D00M as soon as they took the fight. I could have deagressed and jumped out at my leasure. So, my opinion, they are NOT unbalanced. I think that they are EXTREMELY balanced. They have an EXTREMELY specialized roll that they are supposed to excel at. Tank and warp blockage. They do it and well. These ships are slow behemoths that are primary soup in battle. Think about ti when you complain about their tank. If the broadsword has a 1000 dps passive tank, and you have 500 dps and cant break it... and you have a 500 point tank... and the broadsword has 125 dps to break your tank... which ship is in the worse position?
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Trojanman190 A while ago a friend and I ran into Le Skunk and some of his buddies. Us: Tempest, Hyperion Them: Phobos, Phobos, Onyx, Sniping Hyperion Battle results: -2 Phobos, -1 Onyx. All 3 hics + the sniping hype did not put me in much danger (in the pest). One of the phoboses took an pretty decent amount of time to kill... he hung around 5% armor for AGES. The onyx absolutely melted. naturally the sniper buggered off after the fight. Now, all three of them were active tanks, and I never roll in a small gang bs without a neut, but the combination of pathetic dps + capacitor weakness kind of meant that they were walking into their D00M as soon as they took the fight. I could have deagressed and jumped out at my leasure. So, my opinion, they are NOT unbalanced. I think that they are EXTREMELY balanced. They have an EXTREMELY specialized roll that they are supposed to excel at. Tank and warp blockage. They do it and well. These ships are slow behemoths that are primary soup in battle. Think about ti when you complain about their tank. If the broadsword has a 1000 dps passive tank, and you have 500 dps and cant break it... and you have a 500 point tank... and the broadsword has 125 dps to break your tank... which ship is in the worse position? I don't even like Tri :) But Quoting this for Truth.
FlameGlow Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.14 00:55:00 - [44] Originally by: James Lyrus In true EFT warrior fashion, it is indeed possible to set up an Onyx to have an approximately comparable tank to a Drake. It's just massively pointless, as then you cap out running your _hardeners_ let alone the warp disruption field. And you still do less damage than a Drake does, whilst being uninsurable. Onyx can have lot better tank then drake - more powergrid. It's nearing 100k EHP with 0 cap use(throw on DCU and invuln and you'll easily get over 120k) and can mount 5HAMs for some 150-200 DPS without compromising the tank. Course that's with PDUs, only use with SPRs I heard of is tanking lvl 5 missions where all cap is neuted anyway _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
AshtarDJ Filthy Scum	Posted - 2008.08.14 09:17:00 - [45] Originally by: FlameGlow Onyx can have lot better tank then drake - more powergrid. It's nearing 100k EHP with 0 cap use(throw on DCU and invuln and you'll easily get over 120k) and can mount 5HAMs for some 150-200 DPS without compromising the tank. Course that's with PDUs, only use with SPRs I heard of is tanking lvl 5 missions where all cap is neuted anyway So? That's the dps of a frigate...
IHaveTenFingers Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:44:00 - [46] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I don't think there is any other subcapital ship in the game that can beat the Hictors tank. My Impel disagrees. -TF Thanks to [PISI]Pisi Mopsu for this sig.
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.14 21:42:00 - [47] Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: James Lyrus In true EFT warrior fashion, it is indeed possible to set up an Onyx to have an approximately comparable tank to a Drake. It's just massively pointless, as then you cap out running your _hardeners_ let alone the warp disruption field. And you still do less damage than a Drake does, whilst being uninsurable. Onyx can have lot better tank then drake - more powergrid. It's nearing 100k EHP with 0 cap use(throw on DCU and invuln and you'll easily get over 120k) and can mount 5HAMs for some 150-200 DPS without compromising the tank. Course that's with PDUs, only use with SPRs I heard of is tanking lvl 5 missions where all cap is neuted anyway So what you're saying is that it can actually have ALMOST as much DPS as an assault frig or force recon? GASP that's sooo overpowered... now go list me a list of ships that can't outrun the damn thing that 150-200dps is actually a threat to pls.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.14 23:46:00 - [48] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 14/08/2008 23:46:16 HACs are fine. Their tank is the only reason they aren't insta-primary like normal Interdictors If you can't kill a HIC with 10 people then the problem lies with you, seeing that a solo Drake can do it. - Infectious -
Ikvar Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.08.15 02:19:00 - [49] Edited by: Ikvar on 15/08/2008 02:20:13 You must really suck, the Onyx and Broadsword only do like a 400 - 500 dps passive omnitank. We killed an Onyx with a Brutix and an Astarte really easily just recently. They function as intended, as far as I can tell.


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