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5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:15:00 - [1] I am going to get layed into here, because these ships are everywhere, and truely a flavour of the month, and do you know why? They are so damn friggin tough. 1. No ship can kill them 1 on 1, their tank is so utterly ridiculous they can tank any battleship or carrier. 2. Me and a gang of 10 people caught one once, we couldn't even scratch it's paint and had to let it go. 3. People are crying NERF FALCONS, hell no, I'm training for scorpians and falcons too. Why? How the hell else am I going to escape from these little pint sized monstrosities? I see broadswords everywhere in high and lowsec, they're like a plague. 4. The Minmatar and Caldari heavy interdictors can fit the most disgustingly overpowered passive tank you can imagine. That's why they can't be killed, because they can't be nossed or neuted, and you won't escape becaise of course they have infinite point scramblers.
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:26:00 - [2] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I am going to get layed into here, because these ships are everywhere, and truely a flavour of the month, and do you know why? They are so damn friggin tough. 1. No ship can kill them 1 on 1, their tank is so utterly ridiculous they can tank any battleship or carrier. 2. Me and a gang of 10 people caught one once, we couldn't even scratch it's paint and had to let it go. 3. People are crying NERF FALCONS, hell no, I'm training for scorpians and falcons too. Why? How the hell else am I going to escape from these little pint sized monstrosities? I see broadswords everywhere in high and lowsec, they're like a plague. 4. The Minmatar and Caldari heavy interdictors can fit the most disgustingly overpowered passive tank you can imagine. That's why they can't be killed, because they can't be nossed or neuted, and you won't escape becaise of course they have infinite point scramblers. You're correct, you are going to get layed into. Please do everyone a favor and post the sensor strength, and scan resolution of the 4 hvy interdictors. Then think about it for a moment, and come back with what your thoughts are for those two attributes about how you might escape getting pinned down by this ship 1 vs. 1. At that point we'll help you understand why they're not a threat in high-sec or low-sec.
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:38:00 - [3] drake insures and can do same. Why dont whine on it?
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:07:00 - [4] Are you joking? Any battlecruiser of the same skill should be able to take on a HIC. Drake might need rigs.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.09 18:15:00 - [5] Put it this way, I'm having a go more at the passive tank here then I am at Heavy Interdictors in General. Just that it's even more ridiculous for a cruiser sized ship to have such a tank, and it's not just as good as a drakes, it's better in most cases. Being able to tank over 1000 dps comfortably. Yet unlike the drake, I don't think there is any other subcapital ship in the game that can beat the Hictors tank, these things get away with it while having an infinity point scrambler fitted at the same time, whereas a drake uses all its slots for tank usually as it's just support. It's not nearly as slow as the drake, much smaller signal radius. It's the ultimate nightmare tackler, because it's the only ship in the game that can use an infinity point scrambler in highsec, they are everywhere like a plague of locusts, I would like to see some diversity in the enemies I come up against, instead of clone setup after clone setup.
Amberly Coteaz Amarr The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.08.09 19:38:00 - [6] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Put it this way, I'm having a go more at the passive tank here then I am at Heavy Interdictors in General. Just that it's even more ridiculous for a cruiser sized ship to have such a tank, and it's not just as good as a drakes, it's better in most cases. Being able to tank over 1000 dps comfortably. Yet unlike the drake, I don't think there is any other subcapital ship in the game that can beat the Hictors tank, these things get away with it while having an infinity point scrambler fitted at the same time, whereas a drake uses all its slots for tank usually as it's just support. It's not nearly as slow as the drake, much smaller signal radius. It's the ultimate nightmare tackler, because it's the only ship in the game that can use an infinity point scrambler in highsec, they are everywhere like a plague of locusts, I would like to see some diversity in the enemies I come up against, instead of clone setup after clone setup. Since the entire aim of the heavy interdictor class was to be able to tackle supercapitals long enough for them to be blobbed to death, it doesn't strike me as surprising that they were designed with a good tank in mind. That being said, they don't lock very fast without sensors boosters and you can probably get more dps out of most Assault frigates and certainly more DPS out of most of the cruiser line up. You might as well be whining about the Hulk out mining your Prophecy. Or you're just trolling...badly If you find yourself in a fair fight, something has gone wrong Originally by: Patch86 OK people, Amberly Coteaz has won life for the time being. Everyone go home and wait for the round reset.[/quote
Kira Novia	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:23:00 - [7] Edited by: Kira Novia on 09/08/2008 20:23:11 Originally by: 5pinDizzy I am going to get layed into here, because these ships are everywhere, and truely a flavour of the month, and do you know why? They are so damn friggin tough. 1. No ship can kill them 1 on 1, their tank is so utterly ridiculous they can tank any battleship or carrier. 2. Me and a gang of 10 people caught one once, we couldn't even scratch it's paint and had to let it go. 3. People are crying NERF FALCONS, hell no, I'm training for scorpians and falcons too. Why? How the hell else am I going to escape from these little pint sized monstrosities? I see broadswords everywhere in high and lowsec, they're like a plague. 4. The Minmatar and Caldari heavy interdictors can fit the most disgustingly overpowered passive tank you can imagine. That's why they can't be killed, because they can't be nossed or neuted, and you won't escape becaise of course they have infinite point scramblers. I am sure there is a joke somewhere in this message -- I'm just not getting it. Heavy Dictors are fine. Buff your skills. You're obviously doing it wrong.
Mioelnir Minmatar Meltd0wn Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.08.09 20:50:00 - [8] I'd be interested to hear the shiptype composition of that gang of 11 that couldn't break a HIC tank. 11 tackle-bonus interceptors?
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Mioelnir I'd be interested to hear the shiptype composition of that gang of 11 that couldn't break a HIC tank. 11 tackle-bonus interceptors? An interceptor, a rifter, a curse, 2 feroxes, a caracal... can't barely remember the rest. But anyway back on point to all those having a go at me. I cannot see how it's fair that the two shield tanking heavy interdictors can form a monsterous passive shield tank and there is no way to kill them without grinding away at them mustering all DPS, a tedious pvp exercise, like killing a drake. Whereas the two armor repper heavy dictors would get their repping shutdown by any old battleship with a heavy nos, and as they can't rep, they'll fall to any kind of dps given enough time.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:06:00 - [10] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Originally by: Mioelnir I'd be interested to hear the shiptype composition of that gang of 11 that couldn't break a HIC tank. 11 tackle-bonus interceptors? An interceptor, a rifter, a curse, 2 feroxes, a caracal... can't barely remember the rest. But anyway back on point to all those having a go at me. I cannot see how it's fair that the two shield tanking heavy interdictors can form a monsterous passive shield tank and there is no way to kill them without grinding away at them mustering all DPS, a tedious pvp exercise, like killing a drake. Whereas the two armor repper heavy dictors would get their repping shutdown by any old battleship with a heavy nos, and as they can't rep, they'll fall to any kind of dps given enough time. You maybe right bud but this is the new eve and passive tanks on stuff that can hit anything is the new flavor.

Ihrda Siharkhail Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:19:00 - [11] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Originally by: Mioelnir I'd be interested to hear the shiptype composition of that gang of 11 that couldn't break a HIC tank. 11 tackle-bonus interceptors? An interceptor, a rifter, a curse, 2 feroxes, a caracal... can't barely remember the rest. But anyway back on point to all those having a go at me. I cannot see how it's fair that the two shield tanking heavy interdictors can form a monsterous passive shield tank and there is no way to kill them without grinding away at them mustering all DPS, a tedious pvp exercise, like killing a drake. Whereas the two armor repper heavy dictors would get their repping shutdown by any old battleship with a heavy nos, and as they can't rep, they'll fall to any kind of dps given enough time. thats a shit gang, try bringing something with dps
Grarr Dexx Amarr Avenging United	Posted - 2008.08.09 22:20:00 - [12] People bring feroxes to pvp?
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:15:00 - [13] Originally by: 5pinDizzy 2. Me and a gang of 10 people caught one once, we couldn't even scratch it's paint and had to let it go. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Just that it's even more ridiculous for a cruiser sized ship to have such a tank, and it's not just as good as a drakes, it's better in most cases. Being able to tank over 1000 dps comfortably. A gang of 10 people "couldn't scratch its paint"???? If your gang of 10 people can't scratch the paint of a HIC, then I suggest that it isn't the HIC that's the problem. 1000 DPS, you say? Sounds like a theoretical EFT fit to me, so by the same token... even a drake can do 550 dps on EFT. Let's instead be more realistic and call it 280. Even your EFT HIC should fall to 4 drakes (or two, if we are talking silly EFT figures). So, you have 10 ships and you can't even SCRATCH ITS PAINT???? Lying troll, I think. Either that, or you're ganging in noob ships. You have used a PATHETIC argument to support nerfing HICs.
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.08.09 23:34:00 - [14] Feroxes are the new drakes. HICtors do have lovely tankage though. You can get 80% resis across the board with 200+ shield/sec regen on a broadsword so you do indeed need something that does over 1000 DPS. Still no reason to nerf them though. Instead bring moar feroxes. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:16:00 - [15] If you neut it, it cant warp scram you. Simple.
Koyama Ise Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.08.10 01:25:00 - [16] Edited by: Koyama Ise on 10/08/2008 01:28:23 I think HiCs need lower sensor strengths. They're supposed to be cap ship tacklers the infni point is to large, and no I'm not a carebear that flies Battleships through lowsec on auto pilot. But an infni point that locks as fast as a cruiser and is supposed to tank cap ships is over-powered. EDIT: And I've seen the tanking power of a Phobos, when we tried to kill a guy in our system on a gate we got ambushed what happened was all the ships other that the Phobos warped away then the Phobos slow boated to the gate jumped through and warped off. ------ Cause it can't be quoted enough. Originally by: Damned Force Something like: Nanoships need a nerf but only the 10km/s+ ships. Nano HACs to slowboating Battleships wil be ****ed.
Zyck Shadow Guard	Posted - 2008.08.10 01:46:00 - [17] A couple weeks ago I was in a gang of four. Three battlecruisers (all T1) and a Thorax. Long story short we ended up fighting a bunch of guys that had a heavy dictor in the group. Took about 1-2 minutes to take it down. Definitely not unbeatable... Granted, it was a very tough ship. But if you and 10 friends couldn't take one down, you're doing something horribly wrong. -Zyck
Gavin Darklighter THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:27:00 - [18] I broke a broadsword solo today in my Maelstrom, but he deaggro'd at around 50% shields and just managed to jump as I took him into armor. I think they would be better served with a shield HP bonus and the shield recharge time of a battleship. Then the passive recharge tank is crap but the effective HP would be huge, making them more useful in their intended role. signature picture exceeds the size limit.~WeatherMan
Etien Aldragoran DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.10 02:28:00 - [19] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I am going to get layed into here, because these ships are everywhere, and truely a flavour of the month, and do you know why? They are so damn friggin tough. 1. No ship can kill them 1 on 1, their tank is so utterly ridiculous they can tank any battleship or carrier. 2. Me and a gang of 10 people caught one once, we couldn't even scratch it's paint and had to let it go. 3. People are crying NERF FALCONS, hell no, I'm training for scorpians and falcons too. Why? How the hell else am I going to escape from these little pint sized monstrosities? I see broadswords everywhere in high and lowsec, they're like a plague. 4. The Minmatar and Caldari heavy interdictors can fit the most disgustingly overpowered passive tank you can imagine. That's why they can't be killed, because they can't be nossed or neuted, and you won't escape becaise of course they have infinite point scramblers. 1. That's the point. 2. Wow you must have had terrible dps. 3. MWD away? They're slower than you. 4. Infinite point scrams that rely on capacitor to keep you infinitely scrammed.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.10 03:21:00 - [20] Hmm, there's a point, wasn't thinking about the capacitor need to keep you scrammed, maybe that's what I was missing.

BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.10 03:52:00 - [21] Wow you knew you were gonna get layed into..heres a tip.. post ur next topic as: "ARE heavy interdictors worthy of a nerf?" no absolutes means less trolling layout your arguments as above except say ITS VERY HARD for a ship to take them 1v1, removing absolutes prevents trolling. Then add a little sad face or something to allow ppl to sympathise with you and possibly help you out. This is just rubbish, like a t2 troll attractor.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
Scimon ReCerch	Posted - 2008.08.10 07:53:00 - [22] 1. not true but you will need a very high damage ship to do so 2. this cant be true. 10 crap ships doing 110dps each would break the hic tank. 3. meh 4. the broadsword tank uses active hardeners so if you neuted it the tank is weakened. the point is also cap based. the infinite point is also very easy to escape, just MWD or AB away from him. once you escape the range then just warp. If your unfortunate to have a broadsword with a web and mwd fitted then you might suffer from being pointed. however mwd and web removes his shield tank.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.10 10:21:00 - [23] I fly the Onyx extensively, and quite like it. The reason I like it is beause it has better powergrid than the Cerberus, and has a highslot point - therefore it makes a good close range firepower ship, and is somewhat unique on the Caldari lineup. But it does quite a bit less damage than a Cerb would. And for sure that theoretical EFT tank doesn't work - you _can_ do a massive passive tank, that's almost as good as a Drake. But you can't whilst running it's projected warp disruption field generator. Nor can you do so whilst doing any damage whatsoever. I don't mind insane tanks, that are entirely ineffective, on expensive hulls when Drakes can do more damage, better tank, and handle like a slug too. More realistic fits have my Onyx on quite large 'buffer' tanks, in terms of effective hitpoints, and almost enough regen to tank a HAC. So yes, there's some ships that cannot reliably win a 1v1 - I don't think anyone could kill my Onyx in a Vagabond for example. But to say they're overpowered? No, I'm not convinced. Tank does not scale in a gang - more DPS is always applicable, 10 tanked ships with have 9 irrelevant tanks. The Onyx I like a great deal, as a Caldari ship with a highslot point, and enough midslots and powergrid to actually tank - this thereofore makes it a very good close range heavy tackler, and ... yes, you can solo in it. But you can actually do the same thing, better in a Drake (And the other heavy interdictors are comparable to less good battlecruisers), and thanks to their insane mass the heavy interdictors actually aren't much faster than BCs either. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Sinder Ohm Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.10 11:36:00 - [24] I have flown a bunch of Broadswords I can speak from experience. We have the dmg of a wet paper bag. Our capacitor capacity isnt that much, I don't know what you mean with cant be neuted, we can and we only have a limited cargo hold for cap charges. Yes we have an amazing tank but thats about it our job is to hold down a target and call in the firepower. Also please look at our sensor strength, it sux we get jammed and lose our focused point (not the bubble though, although with the bubble we turn our ship into a giant Christmass tree that a drunken tempest pilot couldnt miss. Learn how our ships work and what job they are suposed to do before you start whining on the forums.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:05:00 - [25] Thats funny, Hics seem to die just like all the rest, and their tanks arent really that amazing, even the passive ones.
Schmell	Posted - 2008.08.10 12:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Sinder Ohm I have flown a bunch of Yes we have an amazing tank but thats about it our job is to hold down a target and call in the firepower. Exactly. OP just dont get it. What is i dont get, is why some people think that EVERY!!!1111 ship must be killable solo.
Ikoras Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.08.10 16:04:00 - [27] Hictor tanks are great, yes. But that's all they do is tank and perma point. their dps sucks. hell they can't even use drones like their counterpart ships.
X4N4X	Posted - 2008.08.10 19:50:00 - [28] Originally by: 5pinDizzy I am going to get layed into here, because these ships are everywhere, and truely a flavour of the month, and do you know why? They are so damn friggin tough. 1. No ship can kill them 1 on 1, their tank is so utterly ridiculous they can tank any battleship or carrier. 2. Me and a gang of 10 people caught one once, we couldn't even scratch it's paint and had to let it go. 3. People are crying NERF FALCONS, hell no, I'm training for scorpians and falcons too. Why? How the hell else am I going to escape from these little pint sized monstrosities? I see broadswords everywhere in high and lowsec, they're like a plague. 4. The Minmatar and Caldari heavy interdictors can fit the most disgustingly overpowered passive tank you can imagine. That's why they can't be killed, because they can't be nossed or neuted, and you won't escape becaise of course they have infinite point scramblers. STOP CRYING AND START PLAYING THE GAME IT WAS MENT TO BE PLAYED....
Galliana Foresta Gallente Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2008.08.10 20:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Gavin Darklighter I broke a broadsword solo today in my Maelstrom, but he deaggro'd at around 50% shields and just managed to jump as I took him into armor. I think they would be better served with a shield HP bonus and the shield recharge time of a battleship. Then the passive recharge tank is crap but the effective HP would be huge, making them more useful in their intended role. I hate to rupture your epeen, but peak shield recharge is around 33% - how could you know if you'd broken him if he docked at 50%? HIRING\|KB\|PRESS
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.10 21:30:00 - [30] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/08/2008 21:32:29 Originally by: BiggestT Wow you knew you were gonna get layed into..heres a tip.. post ur next topic as: "ARE heavy interdictors worthy of a nerf?" no absolutes means less trolling layout your arguments as above except say ITS VERY HARD for a ship to take them 1v1, removing absolutes prevents trolling. Then add a little sad face or something to allow ppl to sympathise with you and possibly help you out. This is just rubbish, like a t2 troll attractor.. 1. It was a semi-retaliation mimic of the NERF FALCONS thread that was started. 2. I generally know all that, I was in a bit of a trolling mood I'll be honest, and this thread has been a bit enlightening as people who've used the ships a lot come share their experience and it's also been pretty entertaining. 3. I can't stop lolling over the fact that people don't want the heavy dictor nerfed, which is fair enough. I don't necessarily want it nerfed either in a sense. But the irony is all the steamed up people keep posting and bumping this thread to the top of game development. But yes sorry for the toll post, however I do stand by some of what I said, like the differences between armor repping hictors and shield repping hictors.



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