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Lisa Star
Eternal Eve Guardian Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.10 02:48:00 -
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Whats up with them?
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.10 02:48:00 -
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the corp or alliance?
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Lisa Star
Eternal Eve Guardian Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.10 02:51:00 -
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What 
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.10 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lisa Star What 
fail
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Prontifex
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.08.10 02:55:00 -
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Are you a little nervous when it comes time to buy a new bottle of foundation and you don't have a clue what color will work for you simply by looking at the color through the bottle? That happened to me and I used this trick. Take your old bottle with you and use it to match the color on the new foundation. Simply hold the old bottle up to the new brand and find a match. Couldn't be simpler.
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Lisa Star
Eternal Eve Guardian Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.10 02:55:00 -
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No but really.
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Lisa Star
Eternal Eve Guardian Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.10 02:56:00 -
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Its not for me.
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.10 03:08:00 -
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A foundation is a legal categorization of nonprofit organizations. Foundations may also and often have charitable purposes. This type of nonprofit organization may either donate funds and support to other organizations, or provide the sole source of funding for their own charitable activities.
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MinmatarCitizen 90242
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.08.10 03:12:00 -
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Post with your main!
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.10 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: MinmatarCitizen 90242 Post with your main!
~PoSt WiTh YoUr AlT~
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Onionico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.08.10 03:41:00 -
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Don't know about the alliance these days, but they were fun to pew pew against. Good blokes
Watch out for hotdrops. 
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.10 07:01:00 -
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Quote:
foun+da+tion - faʊnˈdeɪʃən/ [foun-dey-shuhn] ûnoun 1.the basis or groundwork of anything: the moral foundation of both society and religion. 2.the natural or prepared ground or base on which some structure rests. 3.the lowest division of a building, wall, or the like, usually of masonry and partly or wholly below the surface of the ground. 4.the act of founding, setting up, establishing, etc.: a policy in effect since the foundation. 5.the state of being founded. 6.an institution financed by a donation or legacy to aid research, education, the arts, etc.: the Ford Foundation. 7.an endowment for such an institution. 8.a cosmetic, as a cream or liquid, used as a base for facial makeup. 9.foundation garment. 10.Solitaire. a card of given denomination on which other cards are to be added according to denomination or suit.
[Origin: 1350û1400; ME foundacioun < L fundātiōn- (s. of fundātiō), equiv. to fundāt(us) (ptp. of fundāre; see found2) + -iōn- -ion]
ùRelated forms foun+da+tion+al, adjective foun+da+tion+al+ly, adverb foun+da+tion+ar+y, adjective
ùSynonyms 2. See base1. 2, 3. footing. 4, 5. establishment, settlement. ùAntonyms 2, 3. superstructure.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Karanth
Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 07:48:00 -
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The FOUNDATI0N is a lie!
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titanstory
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: titanstory on 10/08/2008 11:02:33
Originally by: Lisa Star Whats up with them?
they always gank caps ship in low sec and fight at dock range whith full bs gang.
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Tahaki Sheratu
Sentience.
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: titanstory Edited by: titanstory on 10/08/2008 11:02:33
Originally by: Lisa Star Whats up with them?
they always gank caps ship in low sec and fight at dock range whith full bs gang.
Hasn't your alliance been posting battle reports about large scale fights about fights on gates...giving foundation mad props for fighting even though they know that TCF can muster up a capital force many times larger than theirs in short notice?
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Khalid Zhee
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: titanstory Edited by: titanstory on 10/08/2008 11:02:33
Originally by: Lisa Star Whats up with them?
they always gank caps ship in low sec and fight at dock range whith full bs gang.
Well, ok, we did kill 3 of your carriers in low sec the other day. But hey, in our last fight we leeroy'd 24 vs your 68 (with you guys having lots of caps), and still got a k/d nearly 3:1 to our favour.
We do like you guys for bringing big fights though & titanstory will always get respect for having making your name in a newb ship knowing you a titan kill one day 
Also, wasn't there a rule in CAOD now about alt posts?
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Prontifex Are you a little nervous when it comes time to buy a new bottle of foundation and you don't have a clue what color will work for you simply by looking at the color through the bottle? That happened to me and I used this trick. Take your old bottle with you and use it to match the color on the new foundation. Simply hold the old bottle up to the new brand and find a match. Couldn't be simpler.
QFT.
Also, Thukker? We didn't even know her.
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Lews Stark
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:57:00 -
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FOUNDATION seems ok to be honest. Long time no see though. :(
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Drakolus
Amarr Dopehead Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth The FOUNDATI0N is a lie!
This pretty much _____________________________________________
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Karanth
Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:21:00 -
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Ok, quick, while no one is looking, I'll reveal the secret!
Our visionary leaders have determined that the FW will plunge the galaxy into 10 000 years of barbarism, and that by forming a foundation far from the fighting, they could reduce the times of darkness to a simple thousand years.
Anyway- wait, who let you in here!? Get away from that switch! Nooo-
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Drakolus
Amarr Dopehead Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth Ok, quick, while no one is looking, I'll reveal the secret!
Our visionary leaders have determined that the FW will plunge the galaxy into 10 000 years of barbarism, and that by forming a foundation far from the fighting, they could reduce the times of darkness to a simple thousand years.
Anyway- wait, who let you in here!? Get away from that switch! Nooo-
I thought we were bringing bare minerals/essentials line of make up and foundations to lawless space. I mean even pirates need to look their best right? _____________________________________________
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Cz Ire
Minmatar Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:28:00 -
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ack! someone noticed us? quickly, derail the thread!
oh, and dont forget our top secret plan to dominate the shuttle market.
but yeah, occasional pewpew with tcf, theyre refreshingly fun to fight with compaired to some of our old hostiles, and occasional pewpew with everyone else :)
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Karanth
Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Drakolus
Originally by: Karanth Ok, quick, while no one is looking, I'll reveal the secret!
Our visionary leaders have determined that the FW will plunge the galaxy into 10 000 years of barbarism, and that by forming a foundation far from the fighting, they could reduce the times of darkness to a simple thousand years.
Anyway- wait, who let you in here!? Get away from that switch! Nooo-
I thought we were bringing bare minerals/essentials line of make up and foundations to lawless space. I mean even pirates need to look their best right?
Well, yeah. 
I just thought I'd spice it up a bit there...
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staaavish
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Khalid Zhee
Well, ok, we did kill 3 of your carriers in low sec the other day. But hey, in our last fight we leeroy'd 24 vs your 68 (with you guys having lots of caps), and still got a k/d nearly 3:1 to our favour.
We do like you guys for bringing big fights though & titanstory will always get respect for having making your name in a newb ship knowing you a titan kill one day 
Also, wasn't there a rule in CAOD now about alt posts?
Last night a gang I was in encountered a Foundation gang of approximately 50 with 30 battleships counted. We also scouted around and found 11 carrier class vessels undocked at stations sitting by idly. We had a gang of 29, with a 50/50 split of BS. Do you think we got a fight? Nope. Foundation was on the otherside of the gate we were on, and they proceeded to warp to station at dock range, while their recons smacked in our local about us not engaging them. LAWL.....
Point of this story is, they are fail. 
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Cz Ire
Minmatar Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:57:00 -
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we have lots of smacktalking hostiles ;)
oh, and its foundati0n - note the zero.
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Montmorency
No Nerdrage Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:01:00 -
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Lots of people Hate FDN.... All I can say is they play to their strengths..... they have their own way of doing things.... if you really hate them that bad you would be adapting your style of combat to counter act Foundati0n's instead of calling them all the names under the sun... after all, you are attacking and they are defending.
My 2 ISK
Montmorency CEO of No Nerdrage [NEERD] Head of Blue Sun Trust [BOOST] |

Death Church
Uninvited Guests Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:10:00 -
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Fighting an enemy who can rat all day and loves throwing rat looted ships at you, with every other fitted with a cyno can be grating. Either way I always consider them like a KOS, but without conquerable space. Plus NRDS, come on seriously. NRDS?
Either way they form up a descent blob and will chase you but engage you...eh. Depends on the tides or something.
But every time I see them kill TCF it is hysterical. Because nothing is funnier that TCF losing caps.
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Khalid Zhee
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Death Church Fighting an enemy who can rat all day and loves throwing rat looted ships at you, with every other fitted with a cyno can be grating. Either way I always consider them like a KOS, but without conquerable space. Plus NRDS, come on seriously. NRDS?
Either way they form up a descent blob and will chase you but engage you...eh. Depends on the tides or something.
But every time I see them kill TCF it is hysterical. Because nothing is funnier that TCF losing caps.
Aren't you ex-FIX? (Fix came to GW some months ago to fight Foundation before they folded. It didn't work out very well for them).
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire we have lots of smacktalking hostiles ;)
oh, and its foundati0n - note the zero.
considering the presence of the internet in this thread, and the fact that the link was mailed to me, i think it was troll bait about the corp, not the alliance.
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Death Church
Uninvited Guests Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.10 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Khalid Zhee
Originally by: Death Church Fighting an enemy who can rat all day and loves throwing rat looted ships at you, with every other fitted with a cyno can be grating. Either way I always consider them like a KOS, but without conquerable space. Plus NRDS, come on seriously. NRDS?
Either way they form up a descent blob and will chase you but engage you...eh. Depends on the tides or something.
But every time I see them kill TCF it is hysterical. Because nothing is funnier that TCF losing caps.
Aren't you ex-FIX? (Fix came to GW some months ago to fight Foundation before they folded. It didn't work out very well for them).
No I wasn't with FIX then. But they are great guys regardless of what happened. I think they more or less got bored with playing in Great Wildlands and left, but I don't know I wasn't there with them. I am glad you are laughing, one day someone is going to counter drop you, and once you lose your 11+ carriers you guys will be scrammbling like rats. Whatever we will keep picking you off.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.10 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: Cz Ire we have lots of smacktalking hostiles ;)
oh, and its foundati0n - note the zero.
considering the presence of the internet in this thread, and the fact that the link was mailed to me, i think it was troll bait about the corp, not the alliance.
Took too long, FDN has taken the thread for themselves.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Khalid Zhee
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Death Church
No I wasn't with FIX then. But they are great guys regardless of what happened.
<...>
I am glad you are laughing, one day someone is going to counter drop you, and once you lose your 11+ carriers you guys will be scrammbling like rats. Whatever we will keep picking you off.
No hard feelings with the FIX guys, was fun fighting. Lots of fights like this
As for losing caps, sometimes we lose a cap fleet, has happened before (a lot more than 11) and will again. No problem, come back with the next one. It's part and parcel of eve these days. We still have 3:1 on carriers and 3:1 on dreads so that's dandy.
Ok, let's talk RK's Foundation.
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Graalum
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.10 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Graalum on 10/08/2008 21:59:11
Originally by: Khalid Zhee
Ok, let's talk RK's Foundation.
we have no such corp, they are in fountain now. The fnd forumsquad hath been parted.
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.10 22:12:00 -
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Foundati0n are pretty much exactly like bruce back in the day. They aren't pvpers, in fact they both despise and fear any actual conflict whatsoever. They rely heavily on numbers to ensure they can avoid conflict, unlike pvp organizations which go out and seek combat as their main form of entertainment, foundation members seem to be content wasting hours every evening to ensure that they avoid any conflict whatsoever.
You guys had more BS than we had ships, and you had 11 carriers ready to drop into the mix. Still, we sat there, waiting for you to engage, and still you chickened out, warped off, and refused to engage us. Seriously? I weep for any pvp minded folks who falsely believe your NRDS little fantasy world is anything like real pvp. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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Khalid Zhee
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.10 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere Foundati0n are pretty much exactly like bruce back in the day. They aren't pvpers, in fact they both despise and fear any actual conflict whatsoever. They rely heavily on numbers to ensure they can avoid conflict, unlike pvp organizations which go out and seek combat as their main form of entertainment, foundation members seem to be content wasting hours every evening to ensure that they avoid any conflict whatsoever.
You guys had more BS than we had ships, and you had 11 carriers ready to drop into the mix. Still, we sat there, waiting for you to engage, and still you chickened out, warped off, and refused to engage us. Seriously? I weep for any pvp minded folks who falsely believe your NRDS little fantasy world is anything like real pvp.
Dude, we live there. We're not going to log off half our guys in a home system just because you turn up nearby and then run off if a 2x fleet comes. People might whine about hotdropping and whatnot but if you turn up in our neck of the woods we usually deliver a nice scrap (usually without caps too). And these days we spend a lot of time wandering around Curse looking for a fight without managing to find one. GW = happy dance.
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Hawkspur Firestarter
Amarr TiS Industries Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.11 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere Foundati0n are pretty much exactly like bruce back in the day. They aren't pvpers, in fact they both despise and fear any actual conflict whatsoever. They rely heavily on numbers to ensure they can avoid conflict, unlike pvp organizations which go out and seek combat as their main form of entertainment, foundation members seem to be content wasting hours every evening to ensure that they avoid any conflict whatsoever.
You guys had more BS than we had ships, and you had 11 carriers ready to drop into the mix. Still, we sat there, waiting for you to engage, and still you chickened out, warped off, and refused to engage us. Seriously? I weep for any pvp minded folks who falsely believe your NRDS little fantasy world is anything like real pvp.
The main goal of the FDN gang in that situation was to keep your buddy in station in his moros/thana or dead. If we had jumped out to engage you, your second gang would have flanked and popped the bubbles allowing him to cyno out. Just was smart goal setting tbh.
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Porgy
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.11 03:05:00 -
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Sup? _______________________
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Prof Patpending
Warp badgers with guns
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Posted - 2008.08.11 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth Ok, quick, while no one is looking, I'll reveal the secret!
Our visionary leaders have determined that the FW will plunge the galaxy into 10 000 years of barbarism, and that by forming a foundation far from the fighting, they could reduce the times of darkness to a simple thousand years.
Anyway- wait, who let you in here!? Get away from that switch! Nooo-
While in Empire space a Second Foundation is manipulating the course of the First Foundation to stick to the Seldon plan. In short DANCE PUPPET DANCE!!!
in before "Teh Mule owns youz"
Fake Edit: Btw that slight wobble in the Earths orbit of the sun is caused by Issac Asimov turning in his grave as we bastadise one of his most famous works.
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Kayla Karenzi
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kayla Karenzi on 11/08/2008 09:22:46 i approve this thread
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TrojanFresh
Minmatar The Suicide Kings FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: Cz Ire we have lots of smacktalking hostiles ;)
oh, and its foundati0n - note the zero.
considering the presence of the internet in this thread, and the fact that the link was mailed to me, i think it was troll bait about the corp, not the alliance.
wait damn it its not about us? ahh man
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hisgoatness
Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Khalid Zhee And these days we spend a lot of time wandering around Curse looking for a fight without managing to find one. GW = happy dance.
lol? Curse gets way more pvp action then can be had in GW. The one time I remember seeing you guys in curse in recent memory you got pwned. I guess it was out of range of your carriers. I dont have a problem with FDN as a group as they usually dont smack, but its not much fun to go there for a fight because they will respond to your 10-15 man roaming gang with a fleet of 50 battleships. Great if you are trying to defend your space, boring if you want an actual fight.
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Ackaroth
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth Ok, quick, while no one is looking, I'll reveal the secret!
Our visionary leaders have determined that the FW will plunge the galaxy into 10 000 years of barbarism, and that by forming a foundation far from the fighting, they could reduce the times of darkness to a simple thousand years.
Anyway- wait, who let you in here!? Get away from that switch! Nooo-
The Foundation is a bunch of martyrs by the sound of it. Let me be the first to thank you guys for this great sacrifice on all of our behalves...
__________________________________________ -"This band I'm listening to is sooo underground, they released their first album as 60 minutes of silence."
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Jackaryas
Caldari Trans-Solar Works FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:23:00 -
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Oh why does everyone hate us so!
Quote: The one time I remember seeing you guys in curse in recent memory you got pwned.
We've had some great fights from those people who have the stones to bring bs's and caps to come face us rateher than just orbiting at 90km in nano ishtars etc
but yes you win some and lose some. Our killboard will show our K/D ratio etc so what you said is pretty much irelevent
is it cus we is nano haters??
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Ackaroth
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jackaryas is it cus we is nano haters??
Surely not. No one likes nanos. Hell, TRI despises them so much, now they fly drakes almost exclusively...
__________________________________________ -"This band I'm listening to is sooo underground, they released their first album as 60 minutes of silence."
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Cupdeez
Out of Order Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jackaryas Oh why does everyone hate us so!
Quote: The one time I remember seeing you guys in curse in recent memory you got pwned.
We've had some great fights from those people who have the stones to bring bs's and caps to come face us rateher than just orbiting at 90km in nano ishtars etc
but yes you win some and lose some. Our killboard will show our K/D ratio etc so what you said is pretty much irelevent
is it cus we is nano haters??
You guys use a noob alt in uanzin named "the Gallantian" or something. Any decent ship that un-docks he will scramble/web drop a cyno and jump in 2-5 carriers. Then a fleet for support.
You might get the kill but but don't brag about your k/D ratio when most of you capital kills are lame.
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Ackaroth
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cupdeez You guys use a noob alt in uanzin named "the Gallantian" or something. Any decent ship that un-docks he will scramble/web drop a cyno and jump in 2-5 carriers. Then a fleet for support.
You might get the kill but but don't brag about your k/D ratio when most of you capital kills are lame.
Hate to use a pot and kettle reference but you just perfectly described what TCF loooove to do. :p
From what I hear, caps are the new BS, and hotdrops are gonna be common as a result. Adapt and win. Pack neuts, have friends on irc or msn, and start getting more cap kills :)
__________________________________________ -"This band I'm listening to is sooo underground, they released their first album as 60 minutes of silence."
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 16:03:00 -
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Quote: We've had some great fights from those people who have the stones to bring bs's and caps to come face us rateher than just orbiting at 90km in nano ishtars etc
but yes you win some and lose some. Our killboard will show our K/D ratio etc so what you said is pretty much irelevent
is it cus we is nano haters??
Really? Cus we are also nano-haters and the only gang of yours i've ever seen in Curse where nanos, who ran away back to GW when they saw a similiar sized gang of ours, but ya know, in real ships. We brought BSes to come play with you and you chickened out. Numbers quoted was the combined gang, other than the 24 we had who were split up initially coming from different areas, there was no second gang waiting to blow up the bubbles. We wanted to fight you first, getting him out was something we were going to do after the fight, not during. You guys just don't want a fight. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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Jackaryas
Caldari Trans-Solar Works FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 16:11:00 -
[48]
Quote: Really? Cus we are also nano-haters and the only gang of yours i've ever seen in Curse where nanos, who ran away back to GW when they saw a similiar sized gang of ours, but ya know, in real ships. We brought BSes to come play with you and you chickened out. Numbers quoted was the combined gang, other than the 24 we had who were split up initially coming from different areas, there was no second gang waiting to blow up the bubbles. We wanted to fight you first, getting him out was something we were going to do after the fight, not during. You guys just don't want a fight.
You mean the time we bought our bs gang to 7q and you beat us, that time when we didnt fight you, or was this a different time?
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brain damaged
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 16:25:00 -
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tbh, sounds like you're still bent out of shape from getting man handled in 7q-. but seriously, fielding twice our fleet with 11 caps on stand-by is a bit overkill. honestly if we didnt find those caps we were gonna fight. by the sounds of you calling for cap support really makes it seem that you were afraid to lose like you had in 7q... but hey thats just my opinion
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 16:28:00 -
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I editted my post to make it clear what I was referring to. Looking over alliance kb, you guys only ever fought us once in a curse, you brought nano's and lost. Before that, we ran into one of your gangs while we were roaming curse/scalding pass/gw, and you lost. Those are the only two engagments, other than the fight in 7Q with stimulus and UGH, which, well you know.
ok, i'm starting to understand why you guys were afraid to engage. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.11 16:31:00 -
[51]
tbh I don't get why people get bent out of shape when a group larger than themselves fields a fleet larger than their own. When we roamed into GW the other day, we didn't ***** about the 50-man FDN fleet in M-M that had formed to gank our 5-man fleet... we just went a few jumps over and ganked an FDN pet's Armageddon. Life goes on.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 17:00:00 -
[52]
no one is complaining that they formed up a blob to fight us, we're not even complaining that they formed up a blob and then on top of that got 11 carriers on standby to hot drop. We're complaining that they did these things and then wouldn't fight us. We were there for over an hour, initially we were simply trying to merge our gang together, two groups coming from two different entry points into GW. As soon as we got our numbers together in one group, we got on the gate they were on the other side of as their whole gang got on the gate at jump range, psyched that we were going to get a great fight. And then, nothing. and then more nothing. And then we got everyone on the gate at jump range, and they moved off the gate. Blue balls. They did nothing but waste our time, which you could say was an accomplishment of sorts, except they wasted far more of their own members time than ours. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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Adaline Gray
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Posted - 2008.08.11 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere no one is complaining that they formed up a blob to fight us, we're not even complaining that they formed up a blob and then on top of that got 11 carriers on standby to hot drop. We're complaining that they did these things and then wouldn't fight us. We were there for over an hour, initially we were simply trying to merge our gang together, two groups coming from two different entry points into GW. As soon as we got our numbers together in one group, we got on the gate they were on the other side of as their whole gang got on the gate at jump range, psyched that we were going to get a great fight. And then, nothing. and then more nothing. And then we got everyone on the gate at jump range, and they moved off the gate. Blue balls. They did nothing but waste our time, which you could say was an accomplishment of sorts, except they wasted far more of their own members time than ours.
Welcome to Eve. Get over it.
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Morium Blue
Order of the Lost Souls FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 17:58:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Rajere no one is complaining that they formed up a blob to fight us, we're not even complaining that they formed up a blob and then on top of that got 11 carriers on standby to hot drop. We're complaining that they did these things and then wouldn't fight us. We were there for over an hour, initially we were simply trying to merge our gang together, two groups coming from two different entry points into GW. As soon as we got our numbers together in one group, we got on the gate they were on the other side of as their whole gang got on the gate at jump range, psyched that we were going to get a great fight. And then, nothing. and then more nothing. And then we got everyone on the gate at jump range, and they moved off the gate. Blue balls. They did nothing but waste our time, which you could say was an accomplishment of sorts, except they wasted far more of their own members time than ours.
No, you guys came to rescue your Moros trapped in station and tried to bait us away. When we actually came close to you guys you ran away. First time I've heard of you guys, where do you base?
And the fleet had formed for an entirely different purpose in mind. Anytime someone sees a fleet they assume it's for them 
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Kraknall
Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:42:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Rajere
I weep for any pvp minded folks who falsely believe your NRDS little fantasy world is anything like real pvp.
Quoth the "great PVPers".
See, killing people like this is why I love Foundati0n. And yeah, eventually, we get to kill them. Then they don't come back and go looking for hauler ganks, and a new crop of "Let's show these Foundati0n noobs what's up" reds fly through Great Wildlands to replace them.
Oh, and your post is disqualified as it doesn't include the words "fail", "phail", "hawt" or "noob".
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John Blackthorn
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.11 19:04:00 -
[56]
eh? You Foundati0n guys are a bunch of name stealer's! Were the the real Foundation!

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Galeric
Uninvited Guests Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 19:23:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Morium Blue
No, you guys came to rescue your Moros trapped in station and tried to bait us away. When we actually came close to you guys you ran away. First time I've heard of you guys, where do you base?
Your Sofa
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And the fleet had formed for an entirely different purpose in mind. Anytime someone sees a fleet they assume it's for them 
Are you honestly trying to say those caps were not going to be droped on us? Thats an easy one to believe  The Uninvited Guests ~Making a menace of our selves and living in your house~ |

brain damaged
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:14:00 -
[58]
lol atm blue... nice try on the cover up. we sat on the other side of the gate u guys were on waiting for u...we never "ran" from you. we simply backed away because suicide wasnt the answer... and as far as "saving" rooster and his moros, we were not there to save him. he was reporting intel and we decided to take a trip to e02 and get a fight. rooster can handle himself and im pretty sure we was popping some of ur corp mates while u were all sitting a gate... but hey enjoy camping a station 24/7
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Porgy
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:23:00 -
[59]
Originally by: John Blackthorn eh? You Foundati0n guys are a bunch of name stealer's! Were the the real Foundation!

We wear it better down the red carpet though, I can't even stroll thru the Forge anymore without being bombarded by the paparazzi. _______________________
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Morium Blue
Order of the Lost Souls FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:33:00 -
[60]
Originally by: brain damaged lol atm blue... nice try on the cover up. we sat on the other side of the gate u guys were on waiting for u...we never "ran" from you. we simply backed away because suicide wasnt the answer... and as far as "saving" rooster and his moros, we were not there to save him. he was reporting intel and we decided to take a trip to e02 and get a fight. rooster can handle himself and im pretty sure we was popping some of ur corp mates while u were all sitting a gate... but hey enjoy camping a station 24/7
But you never even came to E02. When we warped to 8yc, the Moros tried to escape and your gang ran away. It's the typical thing of a barefooted kid in oversized pantaloons running into the city centre, prodding someone with a stick and running off with giddy giggle when they turn around. If you come to an HQ, it's just where people live, they're not necessarily trying to blob you 
So where do you base and what TZ, we fly round Curse all day looking for a fight (though occasionally get triple DD'd by TCF :P ). I assume you're alt-TZ though, since I've not seen you except that time.
And Rooster's cool, though if he stays much longer he needs an iron mask.
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brain damaged
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:48:00 -
[61]
if i remember correctly, we jumping in e02 4-5 times and was aligned to the 8y gate that u guys were sitting on. then our scout tells us u r warping off back to station. plz explain.
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Morium Blue
Order of the Lost Souls FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:58:00 -
[62]
Originally by: brain damaged if i remember correctly, we jumping in e02 4-5 times and was aligned to the 8y gate that u guys were sitting on. then our scout tells us u r warping off back to station. plz explain.
You don't remember correctly - when we warped to station it was because Moros undocked, and we assumed your fleet was jumping in to pop the large bubble that was preventing him cynoing out, which would have been the logical thing to do and he wouldn't still be stuck there (though we do like him and we'll feed him a hulk tonight).
Anyway, again, where are you guys based and what TZ?
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Theodox Gotan
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:34:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Morium Blue
Originally by: brain damaged lol atm blue... nice try on the cover up. we sat on the other side of the gate u guys were on waiting for u...we never "ran" from you. we simply backed away because suicide wasnt the answer... and as far as "saving" rooster and his moros, we were not there to save him. he was reporting intel and we decided to take a trip to e02 and get a fight. rooster can handle himself and im pretty sure we was popping some of ur corp mates while u were all sitting a gate... but hey enjoy camping a station 24/7
But you never even came to E02. When we warped to 8yc, the Moros tried to escape and your gang ran away. It's the typical thing of a barefooted kid in oversized pantaloons running into the city centre, prodding someone with a stick and running off with giddy giggle when they turn around. If you come to an HQ, it's just where people live, they're not necessarily trying to blob you 
So where do you base and what TZ, we fly round Curse all day looking for a fight (though occasionally get triple DD'd by TCF :P ). I assume you're alt-TZ though, since I've not seen you except that time.
And Rooster's cool, though if he stays much longer he needs an iron mask.
I am all for a nice discussion, but the facts just arent there. We jumped in and out of E02 3-4 times with half our fleet, hell we HAD to pass through it to even merge our 2 separate gangs. As for "running" away .... we sat on the opposite side of the gate your fleet was on for 20+ minutes. During that time your fleet warped back and forth to and from station several times, but would not jump in to engage us. After 20 or so minutes, we noticed you had 11+ carriers undocked in space and ready to cyno, so we decided it probably wouldnt be pretty if we engaged. Even with your conventional fleet almost doubling ours, and with capitals ready to hotdrop, we still sat there for an additional 5 minutes because we genuinely wanted a nice brawl.
After it was apparent you wouldnt jump in, we decided to call it and find somthing else to kill, so we aligned off the gate and went on about our business. So please, dont make it out like you chased anyone off, you simply bored us to death... so we left.
Anyway, look forward to getting fights out of you in the future, o7
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Morium Blue
Order of the Lost Souls FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:49:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Theodox Gotan
Originally by: Morium Blue
Originally by: brain damaged lol atm blue... nice try on the cover up. we sat on the other side of the gate u guys were on waiting for u...we never "ran" from you. we simply backed away because suicide wasnt the answer... and as far as "saving" rooster and his moros, we were not there to save him. he was reporting intel and we decided to take a trip to e02 and get a fight. rooster can handle himself and im pretty sure we was popping some of ur corp mates while u were all sitting a gate... but hey enjoy camping a station 24/7
But you never even came to E02. When we warped to 8yc, the Moros tried to escape and your gang ran away. It's the typical thing of a barefooted kid in oversized pantaloons running into the city centre, prodding someone with a stick and running off with giddy giggle when they turn around. If you come to an HQ, it's just where people live, they're not necessarily trying to blob you 
So where do you base and what TZ, we fly round Curse all day looking for a fight (though occasionally get triple DD'd by TCF :P ). I assume you're alt-TZ though, since I've not seen you except that time.
And Rooster's cool, though if he stays much longer he needs an iron mask.
I am all for a nice discussion, but the facts just arent there. We jumped in and out of E02 3-4 times with half our fleet, hell we HAD to pass through it to even merge our 2 separate gangs. As for "running" away .... we sat on the opposite side of the gate your fleet was on for 20+ minutes. During that time your fleet warped back and forth to and from station several times, but would not jump in to engage us. After 20 or so minutes, we noticed you had 11+ carriers undocked in space and ready to cyno, so we decided it probably wouldnt be pretty if we engaged. Even with your conventional fleet almost doubling ours, and with capitals ready to hotdrop, we still sat there for an additional 5 minutes because we genuinely wanted a nice brawl.
After it was apparent you wouldnt jump in, we decided to call it and find somthing else to kill, so we aligned off the gate and went on about our business. So please, dont make it out like you chased anyone off, you simply bored us to death... so we left.
Anyway, look forward to getting fights out of you in the future, o7
Tedious and irrelevant debate but nonetheless: Fleet warped to station to stop the moros undocking, every time we warped to your gate you ran away to 7q again. When you jumped in from the other system, clearly the thing you should have done is attacked the bubble to get the ship out (while we were on the other gate). That's what we were expecting and so warped in to rep the bubble, but you didn't, and your cap remained stuck in the bubbled station.
As for fights, I've asked 3 times where you base and what TZ, no reply.
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brain damaged
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:26:00 -
[65]
HA... notr wins
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:38:00 -
[66]
Rooster can more than handle himself. In fact, he's gotten more kills at that station while you've been "camping" him than we got "trying to free him." He can easily JC out and get his ships out later when you get bored of bubbling an empty station, he's there by choice to get kills off of you guys. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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Morium Blue
Order of the Lost Souls FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:44:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Rajere He can easily JC out and get his ships out later when you get bored of bubbling an empty station <..>
Yep, I don't doubt it. We just wanted a fight out of it (by hoping you'd come to pop the bubble). But again, no one really cares.
Originally by: John Blackthorn eh? You Foundati0n guys are a bunch of name stealer's! Were the the real Foundation!

This is a matter that can only be answered by intergenerational line dancing.
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:50:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Rajere on 12/08/2008 00:50:43 please stop pretending you wanted a fight, please.
Oh you mean you only wanted to engage on a bubbled station, with 2x our conventional fleet and a dozen caps? What, you thought you could trap the rest of us there too? Or did you want an option for your carriers to dock in case our 16 BSes actually wiped out your entire fleet? NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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MarleWH
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 01:21:00 -
[69]
postin in this thread
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staaavish
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 02:12:00 -
[70]
I think it is halarious that your fleet double the size had to all run to the station to """""stop""""" the moros from leaving. Guess what hot shots....two large t2 bubbles on the station. you could of left 1 logistics ship there and repped the bubbles if he solo killed them. The truth is, you did not want to engage. I mean hell, you could of split your fleet, put 25 on the station and engaged us with 25 and carrier, but, again, nope, you ran to dock range. Oh ya, that moros still killed some of your guys. If a moros kills a sacrilege, the sacrilege is a failure.
Fight or not, you cant bring it, you never can bring it, and you never will bring it to NOTR's level.
Thanks and have a great day staring at a station. 
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Wusti
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.12 06:32:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Rajere Foundati0n are pretty much exactly like bruce back in the day.
HAHAHAHA, oh Rajere - you really are fixated poor boy! Just exactly how many BRUCE's are there out there???
Anyway, nice to see you guys having fun (or trying to anyway from the sound of it) out in Curse! Good luck! _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.12 08:04:00 -
[72]
Quote: please stop pretending you wanted a fight, please.
Oh you mean you only wanted to engage on a bubbled station, with 2x our conventional fleet and a dozen caps? What, you thought you could trap the rest of us there too? Or did you want an option for your carriers to dock in case our 16 BSes actually wiped out your entire fleet?
This is precisely the tactic Foundation would use when we (Veritas) was competing with them for control of Great Wildlands. Retreat to station and wait for us to engage there before docking and switchign to caps.
The only way we could compete with this was to use our own caps, but then we had the issue of RA, xDeathx and TCF caps ready to hot drop us which in the end resulted in Veritas having to fight a guerilla war so we went recon and I put a stop to Veritas engaging Foundation at stations. This didn't stop Foundation from dropping capitals at any opportuntiy on even the smallest gang.
Founadtions tactics came about fron necessity I fear. Initially they were outnumbered by Veritas and our allies and cap supported remote rep gangs were there only option. Additionally there was much talk from within Foundati0n at the time about the skill point superiority of Veritas's forces. This thinking meant that while Veritas was in GW Foundaion never engaged us in a nano/recon gang on equal terms and Foundati0n FC's put all their new players in BS's as soon as possible to give them the best chance as in truth we would murder the majority of their support gangs given the chance.
It all ended in a pretty boring stalemate to be honest, we Veritas would run around in our recon/nano gangs freely and Foundation would move around in their carrier support remote rep BS's gangs trying to chase us. We'd pick off the occassional unlucky FDN pilot but in the end we each knew each others strengths and weakness so well that fights were difficult to come by.
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.12 10:44:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kal'Kalagan
This is precisely the tactic Foundation would use when we (Veritas) was competing with them for control of Great Wildlands. Retreat to station and wait for us to engage there before docking and switchign to caps.
Most of our fights weren't with caps (though often with remote rep). But when it comes to cap fights, the reason we beat you guys is precisely because our caps weren't stuck on station and most importantly, didn't have to reach "critical mass" before jumping into a fight or onto a gate.
Willingness to jump a single cap into a fight makes a big difference.
For example, I remember a POS of FIX/V we had to destroy and Gorgon passed me the fleet.
EQ2 -> 8YC -> SUR -> U3K (POS)
FIX/V caps \o/
You guys had assembled a lot more caps than us (about 2:1), which were in E02, and had a sniping BS fleet at the POS.
We brought our support fleet through E02 to U3k and your snipers engaged on the gate. A good fight ensued on the gate but we managed to bubble some of the hostile fleet and get a warp in, whilst dropping in carriers to rep. During this time our dreads started work on the POS, which was out of reinforced.
During the fight on the gate, a truckload of FIX & V capitals tried to undock from E02 to jump in but were bubbled & delayed by a cloaking dictor. Once the bubbles were cleared we'd already won the fight in U3k.
EQ2 -> 8YC -> SUR -> U3K
FIX/V caps <---Run, Batman! \o/
The hostile support fleet, still 2/3rd intact, then retreated to E02, presumably to refit and regroup, whilst our dreads and support worked on the POS.
EQ2 -> 8YC -> SUR -> U3K
(Hotdrop)<- Yikes.
As the retreating fleet reached E02, I had a cyno decloak on the 8yc gate and jumped all our carriers to tackle, killing more BS and generally creating chaos. During this time you guys had three times as many capital ships sitting on station, unbubbled, but didn't come to 8YC gate to engage the carriers (even though our dreads were clearly in siege in u3k).
More and more hostile caps undock until finally 'critical mass' is reached and now capitals start aligning to 8yc and engaging on station. But at that moment the POS goes pop, all our capitals cyno out & the job's a good 'un.
Now this is just a random fight but it was symptomatic of the overall problem FIX & V had - when the beacon goes down, the first glance is to the left and the question posed: "are you jumping?". As with any alliance you'll see us use 20 caps sometimes but crucially you'll also see us with one capital on a gate, and that's why we beat you in cap fights.
All this said, most of our fights weren't with capitals at all but rather with small remote rep gangs, faction bs, all sorts of fun stuff. You can read about those fights here (public account):
Battle Reports
Pictures, stats, killboard links, even Princess Aricia in a bikini. You can't ask better than that. And there were some nice fights, including more than one occasion of us fighting 10 vs 20 (equal ship types) and killing everyone to the last man and losing nothing, with no caps involved.
Obligatory sample ****
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:12:00 -
[74]
Second half of 2007 yielded many awesome fights, but as far as your statement about the guerilla war, Kal, I seem to remember you had tons of help yourselves from allies like The Church., Tallionis Alliance, Eternal Rising, Cult of War, Ev0ke, and many others whom I cba to peruse the killboard to remember.
When said allies left, either because:
1) RSF responded to growing irritation from -V- and friends and wtfpwned roughly 20 POS in u3k as well as obliterating hostile control towers and hardware all over GW (applying Strontium-based ointment to the crabs your group had made itself with its roaming ganks against carriers and ratting BS etc in lower GW, SP and Curse)
2) your friends realized GW was not a very lucrative region to be scrapping for by any stretch, with its lack of moons and 2-3 decent ratting systems whose number of belts was at times overshadowed by the number of useless Ravens chewing away at them, in short finding out they didn't want that region anyway
3) allies became frustrated with some of the ops against our forces (like plate sniper ships jumping point blank into a bubblecamp of similar numbers fitted for close quarters, or hotdropping a solo dread on to a stargate with 10 nanoships as support against a BC/BS fleet. Or bringing a 75 man blob against our 50 and the deepsafed cyno for your superior capital forces accidentally going off prior to the fight. Or some FCs calling alphabetical primes when in doubt, which often abruptly threw DPS against an X-tanked carrier named Alazais- often times our only capital ship online- resulting in your support getting ****d and losing still more winnable battles. Or maybe the outright banning of PVP for a time when certain commanders weren't on to prevent said lolsses)
4) the fact that some of above FCs or commanders gave orders to engage and then wouldn't undock their own caps to fight, watching allies die from station walls and chat windows, which last I checked turns people off to helping you
Veritas lost its ability to bring any significant force (i.e.: meatshield FOTM alliances) against us and then was forced into guerilla warfare because it could not stand to fight us with anything but cloaker or nano fleets.
It wasn't our uber RR BC/BS fleet or some epic three-carrier hotdrop that forced the switch to nanos and cloaks, as much as your alliance's commanders and leadership making ally-losing decisions time after time. Allies -V- relied on quite heavily to hold their ground, and their advantage in numbers.
Was what I saw happening, at least.
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hisgoatness
Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:49:00 -
[75]
I never realized how awesome FDN think they are.
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Lykah Storm
Caldari Comae Berenices
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:04:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Rajere Foundati0n are pretty much exactly like bruce back in the day. They aren't pvpers, in fact they both despise and fear any actual conflict whatsoever. They rely heavily on numbers to ensure they can avoid conflict, unlike pvp organizations which go out and seek combat as their main form of entertainment, foundation members seem to be content wasting hours every evening to ensure that they avoid any conflict whatsoever.
You guys had more BS than we had ships, and you had 11 carriers ready to drop into the mix. Still, we sat there, waiting for you to engage, and still you chickened out, warped off, and refused to engage us. Seriously? I weep for any pvp minded folks who falsely believe your NRDS little fantasy world is anything like real pvp.
I smell bitter tears there.. Anyhoo, foundati0n is famous about picking the right fights. That shouldn't be problem to anyone, I am sure that you can get your easy gank somewhere in New Eden. They also have really great FC's. I am looking forward to see how they will keep growing and perhaps moving to new regions. They have been around for over three years, they had three wars against -V- and they're still kicking. That's quite damn well.
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Fifinella
Caldari Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: hisgoatness I never realized how awesome FDN think they are.
Says the man who's alliance homepage is www.eve-gods.org.
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hisgoatness
Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:22:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Fifinella
Originally by: hisgoatness I never realized how awesome FDN think they are.
Says the man who's alliance homepage is www.eve-gods.org.
difference being we dont have to come here and write a 5 page essay trying to convince people how good we think we are.
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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:22:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 12/08/2008 12:25:54
Quote: ....As with any alliance you'll see us use 20 caps sometimes but crucially you'll also see us with one capital on a gate, and that's why we beat you in cap fights.
The only major cap fight that was had between our forces was in e02 and was V/Fix/Legio vs FDN and its allies. Whcih I seem to remember us winning and not Foundation. The rest were capital ganks, mainly by Foundation on us. For the most part we had to be very careful with our capitals as your then allies TCF/RA were always called in when we were gaining cap superiority and putting your POS network in danger.
Sure Veritas had allies and I admit we were dominant pre-Christmas 2007 by sheer force of numbers but by and large we concentrated our efforts in Curse aiding CoW who were trying to capture a constellation from TCF. There were several large cap fights in Curse as a result but none invoved FDN. Of course this just lead to an RA/TCF/xDeathx move on GW with a cap force we couldn't even hope to match let alone fight.
After that Veritas was pretty much alone and running recon ops continually until we teamed up with Fix and began to stand toe to toe with FDN again. Unfortunately as we were once again gettign the upper hand TCF showed up to defend FDN POS's or in the last instance to help FDN take down a FIX deathstar in E02. Additionally FDN had numerous allies also, Alpha Tauri, Threshold, that roleplaying Molden Heath alliance as well as one or two others and of course the Southern Coalition to call on.
BTW
With the cyno going off accidently ... the Cyno pilot was a guy called Toxic and he was ordered to let the cyno off in an attempt to draw your forces from the gate. Truth be told we had no caps and you had several as part of your gang and we suspected many more docked as was usually the case. We were prepared to jump in but you guys simply had too much on the gate for us to do so. So we used the cyno to try and draw forces away. Your forces didn't budge so we decided not to suicide ourselves to a capital gatecamp.
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:35:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Lord Maldoror on 12/08/2008 12:42:21
Originally by: Kal'Kalagan
The only major cap fight that was had between our forces was in e02 and was V/Fix/Legio vs FDN and its allies. Whcih I seem to remember us winning and not Foundation.
No, this (link) was the major cap fight and we won (and were outnumbered on caps).
The fight you're thinking of was the E02 battle where you nearly killed a Nyx but I repped him back from structure.
Originally by: Kal'Kalagan
With the cyno going off accidently ... the Cyno pilot was a guy called Toxic and he was ordered to let the cyno off in an attempt to draw your forces from the gate. Truth be told we had no caps and you had several as part of your gang and we suspected many more docked as was usually the case. We were prepared to jump in but you guys simply had too much on the gate for us to do so. So we used the cyno to try and draw forces away. Your forces didn't budge so we decided not to suicide ourselves to a capital gatecamp.
That was an N-DQ fight where we both dropped a cyno and our caps fell out and yours didn't, but ok, sounds like he dropped it by accident. You guys surely had a lot of caps available, you had like 70 guys and 20 of them cap pilots. There's a video of the inevitable result here: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/morium/ndq.06.10.07.wmv Admittedly you had no chance in that one though, due to the aforementioned inequality in the fertility of our respective cynos.
Edit- time goes on and fights get bigger, but the notable thing about that video is the final song, which is the theme tune to Trick. All Japanophiles should know what I'm talking about and if they don't, in the end they'll be initiated into Yukie Nakama worship just like the rest.
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Fifinella
Caldari Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:45:00 -
[81]
Originally by: hisgoatness difference being we dont have to come here and write a 5 page essay trying to convince people how good we think we are.
If you want, I can write a 5-page essay on how bad you are.
I mean, I've fought you maybe once, so obviously I know everything about you, just like Obsidian Empire knows everything about FDN based on a couple of scraps.
The essay would start with the word "nano", and go downhill from there. Heck, let's face it, it would just be 5 pages of the word "nano" repeated over and over. Sums up the PvP skills of Goofs just fine.
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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.12 12:55:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 12/08/2008 12:56:07 You hotdropped us at a hostiles POS with more of your caps showing on the killmails than in you reports with more caps jumping in and as the report says with at least two of ours unable to fight due to desync.
Though to be 100% fair I wasn't there for that op as it was past by bed time.
I remember KAOS alliance who were living in U3K in mid summer 2007. Back then it was pretty much Veritas and Ev0ke - even Church had'nt come to join us back then. We had re-enfroced their death stars easily enough and were preparing the operation to finish them off. At the time I was leading the conventional fleet as LD was in his cap on Ev0ke ts co-ordinating their caps with ours.
Now I looked at the map and I see numberous cynos in deep GW, I send scouts to investigate and what do we find - 20 Russian Dreads in some back end system at xDeathx POS. Next thing I know we have a scout report that his alt is in a 150 man Goon gang hading down from Scalding Pass destination E02. Co-incidence? I think not. With the Foundation forces to be accounted for also (who admitedly were not large back then) but still our small force was massively out gunned. It was this kind of setup that made any move on Foundation or its allies in GW impossible We could re-enfoce the POS's easy enough but any attempt to kill them off was almost always a primed trap for our capitals.
My point being that in light of all this you will have to forgive us for being a bit edgy were our caps were concerned. Foundation on the other hand were blue to every major entity around and could throw their caps aroudn with little or no fear of being hot dropped. When TCF or RA decide to come for your POS I wonder if you will have the same opinions and fighting tactics?
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Alazais
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: hisgoatness I never realized how awesome FDN think they are.
Good corp name you have there. But seriously, Goodfellas are good fellas.
Having said that, we actually killed a carrier of yours the other day (one of only two you ever lost), which is impressive in that you worship at the altar of the polycarbon. Which reminds me that the last time I saw you I did kill 4 or 5 of your 20 nanos who attacked my carrier, using double overloaded officer webs (the rest of your guys got away). We're not awesome though, if you even dare think that I'll throw an 8-cap-battery scorp at you.
A little inconsistency is a form of poetry. We roleplay, you see. We roleplay the English Cricket Team.
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hisgoatness
Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Alazais
Originally by: hisgoatness I never realized how awesome FDN think they are.
Good corp name you have there. But seriously, Goodfellas are good fellas.
Having said that, we actually killed a carrier of yours the other day (one of only two you ever lost), which is impressive in that you worship at the altar of the polycarbon. Which reminds me that the last time I saw you I did kill 4 or 5 of your 20 nanos who attacked my carrier, using double overloaded officer webs (the rest of your guys got away). We're not awesome though, if you even dare think that I'll throw an 8-cap-battery scorp at you.
A little inconsistency is a form of poetry. We roleplay, you see. We roleplay the English Cricket Team.
actually that guy was a member leaving a corp that just joined the alliance. He was banned for not nanoing his carrier.
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:02:00 -
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Quote: (though we do like him and we'll feed him a hulk tonight).
Posting to say, despite the e-honor debates from old rivalries this thread has turned into, Foundati0n are true to their word. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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Cz Ire
Minmatar Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.13 16:12:00 -
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to be fair, i kinda see what the v guys are saying about the tcf/ra/goon problem.
if i remember my numbers right, back in the last go around against v-fix-xiii-church; they had around double our member base (counting our freindlies). this did drop off, as their allies abandoned them, and we have slowly been growing over time. now, consider that tcf or ra at the time alone each had compariable numbers, (let alone the blobswarm) and vastly superior cap fleets, you could see how they could start feeling a little lonely.
now, our blue status with those guys has always been a bit touchy - point in case how we ended up setting tcf red. during the fights against V&company, we actually never requested their help to my knowledge. (maybe it happened once or twice when i wasnt around, though.) - its like V said - they were perhaps the closest hard-target (with pos's) hostile to them for quite some ways away, and so when nothing else was going on - or they saw a tower comeing out of reinforced - they would come down to play on their own.
the pos warfare side of thing eventually turned into attempts to get fights out of v/fix. they nano'd, we were nano-haters for the most part. most people know how that goes - we might catch one or two of the nano's, whod run away and might catch one or two ratters in return. so, when we had a decent bs fleet going and no real targets, wed hit a pos, hoping to get a decent fight out of them when it came out of reinforced. V and allies returned the favor (there was time-zone diffrences during the week, we each had a strong and weak presence during certain hours) but to my knowledge they never finished off a single pos - it was more an attempt to see if they could get one that we wouldnt or couldnt defend, but due to proper stronting they found it impossible to get one in favor of their time zone. or maybe they were just afraid of the possiblity of ra/tcf cap fleets, but I think they were overestimating their presence in gw.
the actual battleship fights we had against v were few but great. eventually, though, fix was lured away from gw by a promise of some free outposts in the drone regions (which about 2-3 months later they lost) and v probibly didnt see much point in staying behind by themselves.
in hindsight, though, i do kinda miss them a bit - having hostiles a couple jumps away with "pvp on tap" was nice.
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Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 12/08/2008 12:56:07 You hotdropped us at a hostiles POS with more of your caps showing on the killmails than in you reports with more caps jumping in and as the report says with at least two of ours unable to fight due to desync.
The report didn't count the desync'd ones and the fight was on a gate, not a pos. Moreover, you'll note that the last post in the thread was from your then FC, who says: "I do acknowledge that the Capital numbers originally posted are pretty much spot on the money. I got off my ass, and did some research". And even a rather sporting "You played it well FDN" to come dangerously close to get us fishing outside off stump.
Anyway, no RA, TCF or anyone like that. Omnipresent threats are not be underestimated but also include background radiation, women scorned and the weather. Can't let it stop you jumping.
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Montmorency
No Nerdrage Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:45:00 -
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From the perspective of a person who has flown with both groups (NOTR and FDN), I do prefer NOTR's style of combat, the "shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot we won/we lost approach"... it gives a more thrilling experience, however FDN are the smart ones on most occasions opting for the "intel, intel, intel, intel, engage/don't engage, win/don't lose" approach that often works for them.
Montmorency CEO of No Nerdrage [NEERD] Head of Blue Sun Trust [BOOST] |
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