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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:19:00 - [1] LOL Soon Linux is the only way to be safe. Windows comes with so many different pieces of vulnerable software (that you cant even uninstall sometimes, as with Internet Exploder) that its really becoming difficult to be safe using it. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Fraszoid Caldari Condottieri Industries The Economy	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:29:00 - [2] Damn, hopefully Firefox will keep me safe. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it. Check out my players guide at: http://www.eve-miners.info/guide/minersguide.html
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:29:00 - [3] 'The approach can also potentially be applied to other operating systems such as Windows XP and Mac OS X. ' Pretty hot. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Pwett 'The approach can also potentially be applied to other operating systems such as Windows XP and Mac OS X. ' Pretty hot. They both have Internet Exploder dont they... --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Fraszoid Damn, hopefully Firefox will keep me safe. This. Started to use firefox several years back, never ever wanting to return back to the lousy bill gates browser Please resize your signature to a maximum size of 400 x 120 pixels and 24000 bytes. Naviagtor
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 11/08/2008 16:50:42 it's not so much IE that's the problem, but the way Windows (especially Vista) treats .Net objects and such within a browser. Vista implicitly trusts a .Net object embedded in a browser, allowing the attacker to load what they want where they want regardless of Vista's other security systems. Better linkage
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Meiyang Lee it's not so much IE that's the problem, but the way Windows (especially Vista) treats .Net objects and such within a browser (and no it's not just IE, technically FF is just as vulnerable since it abuses Windows itself, not the browser) Vista implicitly trusts a .Net object embedded in a browser, allowing the attacker to load what they want where they want regardless of Vista's other security systems. Better linkage Linux is the only way to be safe(r). --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.08.11 16:57:00 - [8] I really hope this puts to death Vista's fascist ways of file handling. I don't really need an OS to protect me from myself. No matter what they try to do, if enough people use it it will be hacked. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:02:00 - [9] Lol, Vista. So anyone care to explain in simple terms what this hack might be? ------ Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
Liranan M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Meiyang Lee it's not so much IE that's the problem, but the way Windows (especially Vista) treats .Net objects and such within a browser (and no it's not just IE, technically FF is just as vulnerable since it abuses Windows itself, not the browser) Vista implicitly trusts a .Net object embedded in a browser, allowing the attacker to load what they want where they want regardless of Vista's other security systems. Better linkage Linux is the only way to be safe(r). Apart from all the virusses, malware and hacker related tools that are now targetting Linux, I fully agree with you. Farjung is my God
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Pwett I really hope this puts to death Vista's fascist ways of file handling. I don't really need an OS to protect me from myself. No matter what they try to do, if enough people use it it will be hacked. Agreed. At my work we use programs like Autocad and 3D max, we had one new computer with vista to test it out and it completely Fubar'd these programs.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Patch86 Lol, Vista. So anyone care to explain in simple terms what this hack might be? If I understood the discussion on [H]OCP correctly it basically comes down to Vista trusting certain objects and scripts used in websites without checking them first. This allows a potential attack to avoid all of Vista's security layers by planting his code where ever he wants in memory (Vista normally randomises the address of any gives piece of data making it much harder to reliably attack another piece of data in memory, since you don't know where it is) And also load other data where he wants (by letting the invading script call for it for example) that way the attacker knows where his malicious software is in the memory and also where his target is, so he can then attack his target with great accuracy. And Vista is utterly powerless to stop it.
Delvardious Kaesos Caldari Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:18:00 - [13] I'm not really surprised Microsoft would screw themselves over this bad. Their shoddy workmanship is coming back to haunt them. Time for Microsoft to lose more money. ---------------------------------------- Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:19:00 - [14] Vistas fate as worse than Windows2000 has just been sealed me thinks. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Meiyang Lee Originally by: Patch86 Lol, Vista. So anyone care to explain in simple terms what this hack might be? If I understood the discussion on [H]OCP correctly it basically comes down to Vista trusting certain objects and scripts used in websites without checking them first. This allows a potential attack to avoid all of Vista's security layers by planting his code where ever he wants in memory (Vista normally randomises the address of any gives piece of data making it much harder to reliably attack another piece of data in memory, since you don't know where it is) And also load other data where he wants (by letting the invading script call for it for example) that way the attacker knows where his malicious software is in the memory and also where his target is, so he can then attack his target with great accuracy. And Vista is utterly powerless to stop it. Wouldn't an easy solution just be to make it so Vista no longer trusts .net objects implicitly? I don't see why this would be difficult to code... ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Jacob Mei Vistas fate as worse than Windows2000 has just been sealed me thinks. You mean Windows ME, right? I still use 2000 on a few of my computers. It's a very stable platform. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:46:00 - [17] Edited by: Remata Lakira on 11/08/2008 17:46:33 This is beautiful I'm waiting for the vista fanbois to go "it's fine, learn to use your computer" so I can laugh some more.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Pwett Originally by: Jacob Mei Vistas fate as worse than Windows2000 has just been sealed me thinks. You mean Windows ME, right? I still use 2000 on a few of my computers. It's a very stable platform. I used windows2000 on my main PC up until they started releasing ''games for windows'' which forced me to install XP to play games like dark messiah and company of heroes, if it were not for that I would still be using win2kPro
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.11 17:56:00 - [19] Edited by: Bish Ounen on 11/08/2008 17:57:17 Originally by: Liranan Apart from all the virusses, malware and hacker related tools that are now targetting Linux, I fully agree with you. Care to provide a link? Because I haven't seen any new exploits specifically aimed at Linux. I have seen some remote exploits in applications that run ON Linux, (MySQL Buffer overflow exploits, Apache security problems, etc., but none of those actually result in the ability to randomly execute code within the OS, and certainly haven't granted Super User level privileges. I have seen some LOCAL exploits that can grant SU privileges, but those have been patched, and of course, you need to actually be sitting AT the PC to actually USE them. So I'm not sure how they compare to the OCEANS of virii, spyware, and remote exploits from Windows. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:12:00 - [20] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/08/2008 18:13:05 Is Windows Server 2008 also included with this?. Yes Windows Server 2008 runs on the same core as Vista. I'm just asking, because i'm using Windows Server 2008 as a main OS. Don't want to install Windows Vista on my computer, because i have never been happy with it.
Asestorian Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:20:00 - [21] One of the links does mention Windows Server 2008 as being vulnerable to the attack. --- Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Asestorian One of the links does mention Windows Server 2008 as being vulnerable to the attack. I just re-readed the 2nd link that was posted longer up and Server 2008 was mentioned, so i'll then guess i'm also in danger of that. But i know what i'm doing on my computer, and my security are up to date. And i'm also using Mozilla Firefox 3.0.1, but not sure if that have something with that hack to do. I'll just use what's best to use, or with the best security on Windows Server 2008 anyways.
Yoshimako	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Remata Lakira Edited by: Remata Lakira on 11/08/2008 17:46:33 This is beautiful I'm waiting for the vista fanbois to go "it's fine, learn to use your computer" so I can laugh some more. How quick all the microsoft haters are to come out of the woodwork...? At the end of the day, it doesnt matter what you use. Expecially for an average pc user, if someone knowledgeable decides they want to **** up their comp for whatever reason floats their boat then they are going to be able and do it, regardles of what os they are using.
Thuranni The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor LOL Soon Linux is the only way to be safe. Windows comes with so many different pieces of vulnerable software (that you cant even uninstall sometimes, as with Internet Exploder) that its really becoming difficult to be safe using it. If you honestly think that a piece of open source software is any safer than one developed by a dedicated team of hundreds of (payed) programmers, you are delusional. The only reason that the security flaws in Linux (I'm certain there are at least as many if not more than in Windows) have not been exposed is that so few people use it, that noone bothers to check. If Linux becomes popular, they will be found, and they will be exploited.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:51:00 - [25] Edited by: Rialtor on 11/08/2008 18:54:51 Edited by: Rialtor on 11/08/2008 18:51:31 While I am computer savy, I'm not going to pretend like I know OSes like hardcore hackers so I'll take this guy's word for it. Quote: Under contest rules, Macaulay and Miller aren't allowed to divulge specific details about their bugs until they are patched, but Macaulay said the flaw that he exploited was a cross-platform bug that took advantage of Java to circumvent Vista's security. "The flaw is in something else, but the inherent nature of Java allowed us to get around the protections that Microsoft had in place," he said in an interview shortly after he claimed his prize Friday. "This could affect Linux or Mac OS X." Source But funny how people say Mac's are more secure but it fell in 2 minutes, lol. What I don't understand is that if he hacked Java, why didn't he just hac the linux boy too. IS this guy allergic to money? ;). ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Thuranni The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.11 18:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor Soon Linux is the only way to be safe. Windows comes with so many different pieces of vulnerable software (that you cant even uninstall sometimes, as with Internet Exploder) that its really becoming difficult to be safe using it. Originally by: Rialtor "The flaw is in something else, but the inherent nature of Java allowed us to get around the protections that Microsoft had in place," he said in an interview shortly after he claimed his prize Friday. "This could affect Linux"This could affect Linux or Mac OS X." lol yourself, Jimbo.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:00:00 - [27] to be honest all these well known OS not 100% but what about FreeBSD? I only know 2 people who uses this. Trinity Corporate Services
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:10:00 - [28] i use vista and i don't give a damn. it's great being me. Please keep your signature on-topic.
Ryysa Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Rialtor hacked Java Please, stop posting. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.08.11 19:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Rialtor hacked Java Please, stop posting. oh I'm sorry, used java to exploit... is that better for you your highness, can I continue posting please? ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.08.11 20:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Pwett Originally by: Jacob Mei Vistas fate as worse than Windows2000 has just been sealed me thinks. You mean Windows ME, right? I still use 2000 on a few of my computers. It's a very stable platform. I used windows2000 on my main PC up until they started releasing ''games for windows'' which forced me to install XP to play games like dark messiah and company of heroes, if it were not for that I would still be using win2kPro Same here... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Thuranni Originally by: Jim McGregor LOL Soon Linux is the only way to be safe. Windows comes with so many different pieces of vulnerable software (that you cant even uninstall sometimes, as with Internet Exploder) that its really becoming difficult to be safe using it. If you honestly think that a piece of open source software is any safer than one developed by a dedicated team of hundreds of (payed) programmers, you are delusional. The only reason that the security flaws in Linux (I'm certain there are at least as many if not more than in Windows) have not been exposed is that so few people use it, that noone bothers to check. If Linux becomes popular, they will be found, and they will be exploited. Maybe because it has a proven track record, has a 90% share of the professional server OS market, or because it's security system is modelled on the decades old, tried and tested Unix system, which has always had a reputation for safety and stability (while Microsoft are forever reinventing their security system to try to shake off the problems in their earlier designs). Or maybe its just because Microsoft only run a team of 100 or so developers, while Linux is the product of several hundred thousand developers, ranging from eager undergrads to server administrators for major projects and companies (specifically, those whose companies form part of that 90% who use Linux as a server solution). Maybe it's best not to just take your word for it that Linux is inherently unsafe just because it probably is. Being open source and so forth doesn't guarantee that it'll be very secure, but nothing so far has given anyone reason to believe it's not. That's not to say its perfect (nothing ever is), but treating MS Windows as some sort of gold standard for information security is laughable to say the least... ------ Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
mamolian Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.08.11 23:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Gneeznow I used windows2000 on my main PC up until they started releasing ''games for windows'' which forced me to install XP to play games like dark messiah and company of heroes, if it were not for that I would still be using win2kPro Same shit here.. -----------
Ryysa Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.22 07:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Rialtor Edited by: Rialtor on 11/08/2008 19:34:30 Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Rialtor hacked Java Please, stop posting. oh I'm sorry, used java to exploit... is that better for you your highness, can I continue posting please? No, you can't. I am pretty sure that article is wrong. They with 99% surety mean javascript. Java is not a scripting language - javascript is, so that article fails already. Besides, the Java VM that runs applets is heavily sandboxed, as far as I know, no one has been able to break out of that sandbox for a very, very long time. So yeah, stop posting bullshit. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.08.22 07:07:00 - [35] I hate java based torrent programs?
Irish Whiskey Caldari The Black Fleet The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.22 07:16:00 - [36] While I really dislike M$, they do have strong operating systems. The big problem is the internet. Install XP or even vista on a computer with no network capability and you have quite a powerful OS. Want to use the internet? Go linux!
ssbn732 Minmatar Soldiers of Misfortune Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.08.22 10:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Pwett 'The approach can also potentially be applied to other operating systems such as Windows XP and Mac OS X. ' Pretty hot. They both have Internet Exploder dont they... heh, im safe, I dont use IE, and I MAY have forcably deleted a few lines of code from it
Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.22 11:43:00 - [38] OMFG! To the bombshelter, I'm hackable! And its unstoppable!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.22 12:19:00 - [39] An unstoppable hack? I'm doomed now, unless I avoid websites I don't trust and don't let any software on my system do anything at all without my permission. So, business as usual. - DesuSigs
Sandra Tyrell	Posted - 2008.08.22 13:07:00 - [40] Hyperbole and a lot of rubbish, as usual. From the comments: Quote: Alex Sotirov responds to Ed Bott's ZDnet's blog: "Thanks for your blog post about our research. I was horrified by the lack of understanding displayed by the tech press when they covered the paper Mark and I presented at BlackHat. You rightly point out that the sky is not falling and the flaws are not unfixable. In fact, the next versions of Flash and Java will contain specific measures that limit the impact of the techniques we presented. We expect Microsoft to follow suit as well. Exploitation is a cat and mouse game. The paper we presented puts the offensive side at a slight advantage, but it wonÆt take long for the defenses to catch up. Our intention was always to nudge the software vendors into improving their defenses and I hope we will succeed." Just a storm in a tea cup then? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=513
Kerosene Caldari Deviance Inc	Posted - 2008.08.22 15:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Viqtoria i use vista and i don't give a damn. it's great being me. 100% agree. __ Eve. Eve eve eve eve. EVE. Eve. Eve eve eve eve eve eve EVE eve eve. - Kerosene The way to stop isk farmers is to STOP BUYING ISK.
TimMc Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.22 15:55:00 - [42] Firefox with adblock and java disabled = win.
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.22 22:38:00 - [43] Edited by: Sharupak on 22/08/2008 22:39:23 Edited by: Sharupak on 22/08/2008 22:37:44 I dont get it. Is this what passes as a revolutionary hack for you guys? (I know you guys play eve) Have you hackers just given up and are on the payroll of Norton, Macafee, Antivirus 2009 and spysherriff and participate in a corporate warfare nobody cares about? Are the days of Backorifice gone and now the greats shoot for revolutionary ways to create yet another BHO in internet explorer? LOL! Ok, so I was being dramatic. What they didnt elude to or maybe they are just talking out of their asses, is the user still has to click the button that says "The website www.enimasmileys.com wishes to install active x controls on you desktop" "yes" "no" Memory space addressing, javascript, .net, and dep dont really help you slip through an open protocol unannounced. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2008.08.22 23:35:00 - [44] Edited by: Rialtor on 22/08/2008 23:38:40 Originally by: Ryysa No, you can't. I am pretty sure that article is wrong. They with 99% surety mean javascript. Java is not a scripting language - javascript is, so that article fails already. Besides, the Java VM that runs applets is heavily sandboxed, as far as I know, no one has been able to break out of that sandbox for a very, very long time. So yeah, stop posting bullshit. I'm certain that you're wrong. They used Java, ActiveX, and .NET objects to get around Vista's protections: Address Space Layout Randomization(ASLR), Data Execution Prevention (DEP). It's not BS, learn some manners and at least have the decency to do some research before you post remarks like that. That's one hack. That said, another person from the same blackhat conference said using Java, not javascript it's possible to replicate the hack over Linux, and OSX. The hack isn't limited to only IE, it's not really a fault with IE in this case, although it does make it easier. Also the last major security hole with java that I remember was late 2004. That's not that long ago. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.23 02:21:00 - [45] hackers? In MY inTERwebs? its more likely than you think!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.23 13:06:00 - [46] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 23/08/2008 13:07:46 Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 23/08/2008 13:07:29 Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Pwett Originally by: Jacob Mei Vistas fate as worse than Windows2000 has just been sealed me thinks. You mean Windows ME, right? I still use 2000 on a few of my computers. It's a very stable platform. I used windows2000 on my main PC up until they started releasing ''games for windows'' which forced me to install XP to play games like dark messiah and company of heroes, if it were not for that I would still be using win2kPro Me too. And I'm still doodied about the "we need to make you install XP even though there's no real reason but we hate you" thing. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.23 13:46:00 - [47] Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Pwett Originally by: Jacob Mei Vistas fate as worse than Windows2000 has just been sealed me thinks. You mean Windows ME, right? I still use 2000 on a few of my computers. It's a very stable platform. I used windows2000 on my main PC up until they started releasing ''games for windows'' which forced me to install XP to play games like dark messiah and company of heroes, if it were not for that I would still be using win2kPro Same here... I'm still using 2kpro. I refuse to use XP, I hate XP. Everytime I visit my mum or sister rI have to fix their broken XP laptops. YOu can run Dark Messiah in 2k btw. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Ryysa Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.23 19:46:00 - [48] Edited by: Ryysa on 23/08/2008 19:50:30 Originally by: Rialtor I'm certain that you're wrong. They used Java, ActiveX, and .NET objects to get around Vista's protections: Address Space Layout Randomization(ASLR), Data Execution Prevention (DEP). It's not BS, learn some manners and at least have the decency to do some research before you post remarks like that. That's one hack. Yet they didn't hack the Java VM itself. And no, I will not "learn some manners" on an e-forum online, because you tell me to. If i see BS by someone who doesn't really know what he is talking about (hello, I have Sun certification in Java...), then I call that BS. Just to clarify, breaking the system, because it has incorrect handling of the Java VM != hacking the VM itself. Sun's implementation is pretty good. Quote: That said, another person from the same blackhat conference said using Java, not javascript it's possible to replicate the hack over Linux, and OSX. Proof or STFU. Quote: Also the last major security hole with java that I remember was late 2004. That's not that long ago. Show me URL, but also, 4 years? not long ago? lol... In the computer world that is a huge time. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Messerschmitt facility Amarr Shinra	Posted - 2008.08.25 04:44:00 - [49] Hahahaha, so what's the reason now for people paying almost 2x the ammount of cash for a Mac with the same specs as a PC? Or will you still keep cheering the Mac OS X for you're imaginary "invulnerability" against viruses and such? _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Ryysa Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.25 06:01:00 - [50] Edited by: Ryysa on 25/08/2008 06:01:59 The reason there are fewer viruses on Mac and Linux is that there are a lot fewer people using them. If the situation changes, there will be a lot more exploits popping up for those two systems. However, it is significantly harder to gain superuser privileges on a Linux based system than on a Windows based one. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.08.26 17:53:00 - [51] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/08/2008 17:54:30 Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 25/08/2008 06:01:59 The reason there are fewer viruses on Mac and Linux is that there are a lot fewer people using them. If the situation changes, there will be a lot more exploits popping up for those two systems. However, it is significantly harder to gain superuser privileges on a Linux based system than on a Windows based one. And this is why Microsoft is trying to get people away from running Windows as the superuser (Administrator) with Vista. However, its backfiring quite a bit. Users dont like being harassed by their computers. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?

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