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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
Its not a matter of 'finger pointing' its Eve core PvP ruleset that brings out the worst of people and the fact that if it continues Eve will never claim larger subscription numbers and eventually be unable to turn a profit in order to maintain their MMO. So say as you wish, the truth of the matter is unless there is change Eve will never scale!
PvP doesn't bring out the worst in people, frustration and/or people bring out the worst in people. I've had plenty of PvP in many games that is about skill, a good fight, and testing yourself against another person, and everyone is mature about it. Equally in many games I've seen degenerate immature smacktalking from those that are both new and veteran PvPers. People are the problem, not the environment they're put in.
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Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:59:00 -
[32]
Hi EternalDragon
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:05:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Primnproper on 12/08/2008 15:05:46
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
Good to here that your the sort of mature, balanced individual who responds to other peoples words with violence, which of course is always the best thing you can do and makes you look and feel like a really big man. |
Mordekai Bloodwake
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:10:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
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Also a prime example of why many of us who have enjoyed EvE for YEARS don't play other games. ......
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Do you have to sacrifice the principle of player competition in order to get a larger customer base?
Many forget that business ownership is not just about the amount of customers. For some, it's about a quality product, or providing to a specific audience. How much does EvE have to give up (and yes, I think it's a loss), in order to reach this utopia of millions of players?
It shouldn't stop growing. But nor should it try to appeal to a playerbase who DONT WANT THE GAME ANYHOW. If you are playing EvE to play a single-player game with an IM, why are you playing EvE?
Claiming that CCP should bend or fold to support the 'majority' is a poor argument. Should the rest of the world bend and fold because east asia has the majority of human beings?
To appeal to the vast majority, you have to make things simple, and easy. Why? Because human beings as a group are stupid. Individuals are smart, but the reason WoW survives is because it markets to the lowest common denominator of the playerbase. The stupidest, poorest, laziest and most naive.
WoW is not the benchmark for the gaming community. EvE is. Build a quality product for a dedicated playerbase. The guys who have been here years are still here (though some take breaks). But when someone complains about not liking it and how their friends won't come over to play, I have to wonder why you want to change the game to fit you, instead of recognizing that it's not the kind of game you enjoy.
If you think "but I like EvE, except for the PvP", then please recognize that no, in fact, you don't like EvE.
Geez so much to type where to begin.... Ok i think ill stop at the above comment you just made, YES it is about customers we pay bills we fund the game in order to keep maintaining it, we the CUSTOMER is what business is all about! At the end of the day whine as you may but its all about money, CCP is like any other company and turning a profit is their goal. Now granted it may have started as a personal game project at one point but eventually grew and entered a area where the consumer dictates product and NOT the company, We the consumer have choices and CCP knows this. Yes i dont have to play Eve and i dont have to pay for it, but i enjoy it however the majority of new players that come to Eve rarely renew subscriptions and last more than their trial period all due to CCP old school PvP ruleset which needs to change.
Oh and incase you havent realized (and im no WOW fanbui) WOW IS THE BENCHMARK blizz has accomplished what most MMO companies would dream of!! Their subscription numbers have made many developers and desingers RICH! not to mention a huge resume booster! WOW may not be a great quality product (as stated as your opinion) but the TRUE FACT remains they have achieved insane subscription numbers AND CONTINUE to grow, Eve however isnt even 1% of WOW player base, so yes im sure someone there did something right!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:16:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Esmenet
Honestly if you get that much abuse i doubt you are the innocent angel you pretend to be.
This 
People seem fine to me. Yes there's quite a few asshats about but it's not like you can't ignore them - unlike in RL 
Should never take anything on the internet seriously anyway.
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:16:00 -
[36]
I found that the majority of eve players are actually rather pleasant to talk with, even if they just blew up your ship. I have also found that smack begets smack. Perhaps if you are being treated poorly you should look inwardly first.
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Mordekai Bloodwake
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
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PvP doesn't bring out the worst in people, frustration and/or people bring out the worst in people. I've had plenty of PvP in many games that is about skill, a good fight, and testing yourself against another person, and everyone is mature about it. Equally in many games I've seen degenerate immature smacktalking from those that are both new and veteran PvPers. People are the problem, not the environment they're put in.
Eve isnt a skill related PvP system, its actually a very old school rock, paper and scissors system based on chance. Skill would require some kind of hand / eye cordination and tracking of events, Eve doesnt provide this. At its simplest its about your chance to go up against another player that your setup will counter and thats about it.
And yes PvP does bring the worst in people because its an avenue that allows it.
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eliminator2
Gallente
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:19:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
I am just sick of the way people treat me in this game.
People feel just because there behind a monitor and 1000 miles away they can say whatever they want and be completely vile to each other.
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
I don't get my feeling hurt, I do get ****ed however.
I just keep saying to myself why am I playing a game that's stressing the shit out of me?
Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but the amount of F"D up people playing it really ruins it for me.
I come to a mmorpg to have fun, not be abused.
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.
can i havez ur stuff?
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Preliator
Caldari
Libera Confero
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:23:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Celestial
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.[/quote
You know, if that's the way you talk to people in game, I wouldn't be surprised if you got abuse.
Over the 3 1/2 years I've played, I've met too many awesome and helpful people to count. You're either taking one or two comments way too seriously or you provoked it.
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Karhig Mori
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:23:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
WOW IS THE BENCHMARK blizz has accomplished what most MMO companies would dream of!!
Wow is the benchmark only in making money. This is only one benchmark. I don't think Eve has ever tried to be like WoW, something I am glad of and something that has kept me interested (on one character or another) since pre-beta.
Customers do pay the bills and are important, but they're also fickle. If you just bend to their every whim then you're bound to fail eventually because your product will be a confused maladjusted mess. Games should have some aspirations to being more than just money making devices. Eve is an excellent example of this and the unique 'flame' of it's aspirations is, by and large, well kept by CCP. If they make money in the meanwhile then "Yay!", but I've never got the impression that that is ALL they want to do with Eve. That's why it's better than the likes of WoW in many, many ways.
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Celestial Divinity
I am just sick of the way people treat me in this game.
People feel just because there behind a monitor and 1000 miles away they can say whatever they want and be completely vile to each other.
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
I don't get my feeling hurt, I do get ****ed however.
I just keep saying to myself why am I playing a game that's stressing the shit out of me?
Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but the amount of F"D up people playing it really ruins it for me.
I come to a mmorpg to have fun, not be abused.
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.
What? Are you dense? Just don't talk to folk like that, and get intpo a nice corp, then its all good ;)
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Liz Laser
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:27:00 -
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I'm going to have to agree with the others who suggest that the community is NOT particularly abusive.
In fact, I suspect the nature of PvP in Eve occassionally reminds people to watch their words.
I'm an easygoing fairly amiable player. But even if I weren't I might choose my words carefully, just realizing how much one player or a few players can do to interfere with my plans.
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Mordekai Bloodwake
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:30:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Karhig Mori
Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
WOW IS THE BENCHMARK blizz has accomplished what most MMO companies would dream of!!
Wow is the benchmark only in making money. This is only one benchmark. I don't think Eve has ever tried to be like WoW, something I am glad of and something that has kept me interested (on one character or another) since pre-beta.
Customers do pay the bills and are important, but they're also fickle. If you just bend to their every whim then you're bound to fail eventually because your product will be a confused maladjusted mess. Games should have some aspirations to being more than just money making devices. Eve is an excellent example of this and the unique 'flame' of it's aspirations is, by and large, well kept by CCP. If they make money in the meanwhile then "Yay!", but I've never got the impression that that is ALL they want to do with Eve. That's why it's better than the likes of WoW in many, many ways.
Even though i agree with your comment (to a point) i have to state the fact that CCP is still and will always be in the business to make money. Look at their recent trends and their attempt to market and expand and you will soon realize CCP is indeed trying to make more money in order to expand, and in order to make money (unless they know a better way) is to attract a larger player base.
And yes WOW is the benchmark for money making in MMO's, but Money is what keep the company growing and expanding. Its no longer the days that a group of talented programmers, aritist musicians and so on can simply relay on a good idea base on principle, its all about money and in todays economy its double that!
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:32:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Another Liberthas
Sorry, but that's how the internet is.
It does not have to be though.
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Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:52:00 -
[45]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Celestial Divinity,
If you feel you are suffering abuse or harassment from other players the you should submit a petition by navigating down the left hand menu on the forums and selecting "Create New Petition". Select the option "Rules and Policies", then "Harassment".
Once you fill out the details a GM will be more than happy to review your petition.
As you say - it is a great game and there are a lot of brilliant Corporations who do not engage in pointless smack. Stick with it and it only gets better 
Of course the worst corps and alliances who engage in this (Band of Developers, Goons) are untouchable. Try submitting a harassment petition on any of them.
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Mother Lucilla
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Posted - 2008.08.12 16:59:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Mother Lucilla on 12/08/2008 17:00:38
Troll, definately.
I don't mind feeding it though 
This is just the millionth post of "People are so cruel, I'm gonna go away!"-type, but I can generally sympathize with the OP.
Many times I've had hard earned ISK gone up in smoke because somebody flipped my can, salvaged my wrecks or caught up with me in low-sec.
And when I was a noob... I made the mistake of showing my frustration over local.
Let me tell you this about letting your frustration show in local: Everybody there will try to make an ass out of a whiner no matter how right he is.
Most of them will cry "foul!" themselves if the time comes but when somebody else gets crapped upon everybody just joins the smack talk to crap on him a little more.
When you're the one being crapped upon it's no fun, but when you're the one doing the crapping... it's like a little party 
The important thing is: DON'T FEED THE FIRE!
I've lost a BS to a ganking once in high-sec.
I felt like eating the keyboard, but instead I let it be and said over local that it was my own stupidity for trusting someone in this game that got my bs.
People on local were supportive and we all joked around for a bit.
It didn't get me my BS back, but in 10 minutes I sure was feeling a lot more mellow then if I'd started smack talking you know?
The important thing is to never ever trust strangers and to keep talk on local to a minimum, if you're in a corp, talk in corp chat if you're feeling "chatty".
And if you're angry at somebody, try congratulating them for their "smart moves", most griefers feed on smack and you can make them feel bad just by "being okay" with it all
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:03:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Avon on 12/08/2008 17:03:47
If you work hard in game you can earn enough ISK to buy a GTC, then you can get the abuse for free.
Much better than paying for it.
Just a thought
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:11:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
I am just sick of the way people treat me in this game.
People feel just because there behind a monitor and 1000 miles away they can say whatever they want and be completely vile to each other.
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
I don't get my feeling hurt, I do get ****ed however.
I just keep saying to myself why am I playing a game that's stressing the shit out of me?
Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but the amount of F"D up people playing it really ruins it for me.
I come to a mmorpg to have fun, not be abused.
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.
Read this dude, it will make alot clear for you. I suggest reading it all. You get used to it after awhile, but if it gets to much on your nerves pick another game. It's not worth it getting ****ed at a bunch off no-balls nerds.
MMO players
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Muskiet
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:37:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Xevan Templar
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
I am just sick of the way people treat me in this game.
People feel just because there behind a monitor and 1000 miles away they can say whatever they want and be completely vile to each other.
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
I don't get my feeling hurt, I do get ****ed however.
I just keep saying to myself why am I playing a game that's stressing the shit out of me?
Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but the amount of F"D up people playing it really ruins it for me.
I come to a mmorpg to have fun, not be abused.
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.
Read this dude, it will make alot clear for you. I suggest reading it all. You get used to it after awhile, but if it gets to much on your nerves pick another game. It's not worth it getting ****ed at a bunch off no-balls nerds.
MMO players
LMAO 
That is by far the best and most acurate post I've ever read!
It has the awesome power of answering almost every question on this message board.
Thanx for posting that.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Avenging United
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:09:00 -
[50]
"Warning: online gameplay may change"
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:56:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Xevan Templar on 12/08/2008 18:56:23
Originally by: Muskiet
LMAO
That is by far the best and most acurate post I've ever read!
It has the awesome power of answering almost every question on this message board.
Thanx for posting that.
And more people should read it!  However I'm not the original poster so to say, it comes out of this thread original post, and was moved to the 'out of pot' thingy.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:13:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
crap
Way to miss his point.
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DesuSigs |
Malcanis
We are Legend
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Liz Laser
I'm going to have to agree with the others who suggest that the community is NOT particularly abusive.
In fact, I suspect the nature of PvP in Eve occassionally reminds people to watch their words.
I'm an easygoing fairly amiable player. But even if I weren't I might choose my words carefully, just realizing how much one player or a few players can do to interfere with my plans.
TRAPS - keeping smackers out of EvE for a long time now...
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:41:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Davina Braben on 12/08/2008 19:43:17
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
I am just sick of the way people treat me in this game.
People feel just because there behind a monitor and 1000 miles away they can say whatever they want and be completely vile to each other.
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
I don't get my feeling hurt, I do get ****ed however.
I just keep saying to myself why am I playing a game that's stressing the shit out of me?
Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but the amount of F"D up people playing it really ruins it for me.
I come to a mmorpg to have fun, not be abused.
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.
This is some truly pathetic livejournal grade whinging.
I really hope for your sake that you're trolling.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:42:00 -
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Did anyone else enjoy the delicious irony of the OP coming to the forums because they hated the way they were responded to ingame?
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:06:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Synapse Archae on 12/08/2008 20:10:43
Originally by: Xevan Templar
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
I am just sick of the way people treat me in this game.
People feel just because there behind a monitor and 1000 miles away they can say whatever they want and be completely vile to each other.
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
I don't get my feeling hurt, I do get ****ed however.
I just keep saying to myself why am I playing a game that's stressing the shit out of me?
Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but the amount of F"D up people playing it really ruins it for me.
I come to a mmorpg to have fun, not be abused.
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.
Read this dude, it will make alot clear for you. I suggest reading it all. You get used to it after awhile, but if it gets to much on your nerves pick another game. It's not worth it getting ****ed at a bunch off no-balls nerds.
MMO players
"YouÆll find twelve-year-olds, twelve-year-olds claiming to be thirty, thirty-year-olds who have the functional intellect of a twelve-year-old and live in their parentsÆ basement, men claiming to be women, women claiming to make sense,"   
I stopped reading right there. Sexism has no place here.
EDIT: Thought I might as well respond to the OP. Eve is all about meeting everyone in the world, without walled suburbia or social standards or (to an extent) economic barriers, and in some cases even without police, and learning to handle yourself around those people. In that sense, EVE has opened my eyes to the heights and depths of which humanity is capable, and to the fact that it takes a different kind of person to survive such exposure to raw humanity. I think the result of learning to cope in a personal world that now contains all these types of people, has made me smarter, stronger, and honestly, better.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:10:00 -
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so get arrested for assault (in game)
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:20:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Celestial Divinity
I am just sick of the way people treat me in this game.
People feel just because there behind a monitor and 1000 miles away they can say whatever they want and be completely vile to each other.
If I had someone in the street talk shit to me like half of you do, I would be incarcerated right now for assault.
I don't get my feeling hurt, I do get ****ed however.
I just keep saying to myself why am I playing a game that's stressing the shit out of me?
Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but the amount of F"D up people playing it really ruins it for me.
I come to a mmorpg to have fun, not be abused.
Yes I am leaving, and NO you cannot have my stuff because no one here Deserves it.
I have been playing Eve for 2 years now and can't really recall receiving any abuse in chat channels before. If you are getting so much that it is stressing you, please stop and do a honest evaluation of your actions in the game. Certainly you are doing something to stand out...
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Arric Rohr
Gallente
Intergalactic Science LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:20:00 -
[59]
Ever been to Philadelphia?
*Where do I get one of those cool signatures?* |
Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:41:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Joey Meow on 12/08/2008 20:43:33
Originally by: Xevan Templar
MMO players
You win EVE forums for a week.
Originally by: Arric Rohr
Ever been to Philadelphia?
I work there..... what's wrong with Phily? Other than occasional double homicide and public beating and assault every 24 hours?
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