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Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:14:00 - [1] I've been in contact with GMs and this has not been classified as an exploit, so feel free to use it in your wars / griefings / whatever: You need some interceptors / frigs with warpscramblers, an enemy at a gate and a bunch of people logged off in a system next door. Engage the enemy at the gate with a few ceptors/frigs and a bait battleship. When they start shooting back, warp scramble your enemy and log on your backup force. Let the backup force jump in and kill the enemy. This tactic has been proven very effective on the battlefield and is accepted by the GMs. I don't think this is "good" behavior, but it's a very effective tactic. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
jason hill	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:16:00 - [2] mate . this has been going on for ages "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
Aelius	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:17:00 - [3] Originally by: jason hill mate . this has been going on for ages it's lame nevertheless... Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Drakk	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:17:00 - [4] Welcome to last year... But yeah, I get your point.. Its retarded. Dont get me started on the whole logging off, disappearing ship debate...
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:17:00 - [5] never hurts to share common tactics with the general public :) Originally by: jason hill mate . this has been going on for ages ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Drakk	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:18:00 - [6] wow, 3 responses within under 15 seconds...
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:19:00 - [7] I dont think its a tactic really, just really lame __________ HC MasiEEE
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:24:00 - [8] Edited by: Deadflip2 on 03/06/2004 14:25:30 ur sig pwns , took me 2 minutes to find out the backgroups actually 2 boobies --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:29:00 - [9] Howdy guys, I am assuming you guys are reffering to CA doing this, I'm not aware of it being a tactic we use BUT could you tell me who was involved and when and how you know the people are logged off? Send me an eve mail if you wish The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Deadflip2 Edited by: Deadflip2 on 03/06/2004 14:25:30 ur sig pwns , took me 2 minutes to find out the backgroups actually 2 boobies Lol only 2 min i can see you are an expert __________ HC MasiEEE
Riddari	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:42:00 - [11] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Deadflip2 Edited by: Deadflip2 on 03/06/2004 14:25:30 ur sig pwns , took me 2 minutes to find out the backgroups actually 2 boobies Lol only 2 min i can see you are an expert He's very young ¼©¼ a history
Zen Jakkaru	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:43:00 - [12] I remember CCP coming out and saying this was infact an exploit somewhere last year, and people using it would be banned without second thought. Maybe i'm just going bonkers. *Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!*
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:44:00 - [13] Since the last patch, where your ship warps away and warps back in and gives the target time to run this is indeed not an exploit and part of the game. Since this is the only way to get actually a fight, i don't have any problem with using this system. Sitting in a safespot while outnumbering your opponent 3:1 is what i call lame. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:45:00 - [14] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Deadflip2 Edited by: Deadflip2 on 03/06/2004 14:25:30 ur sig pwns , took me 2 minutes to find out the backgroups actually 2 boobies Lol only 2 min i can see you are an expert It took me 2minutes to notice what corp you were in and that included having a cigarette after....erm ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:46:00 - [15] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Since the last patch, where your ship warps away and warps back in and gives the target time to run this is indeed not an exploit and part of the game. Since this is the only way to get actually a fight, i don't have any problem with using this system. Sitting in a safespot while outnumbering your opponent 3:1 is what i call lame. Well it takes a little more skill to sit on a safespot then just log in __________ HC MasiEEE
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:51:00 - [16] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Since this is the only way to get actually a fight, i don't have any problem with using this system. Sitting in a safespot while outnumbering your opponent 3:1 is what i call lame. Well I hope soon we can put that sort of attitude to bed. The worm is turning as they say!! Vive la resistance ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:51:00 - [17] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Since the last patch, where your ship warps away and warps back in and gives the target time to run this is indeed not an exploit and part of the game. Since this is the only way to get actually a fight, i don't have any problem with using this system. Sitting in a safespot while outnumbering your opponent 3:1 is what i call lame. Warping out while being warpscrambled is an act I still have to witness :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:53:00 - [18] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Well it takes a little more skill to sit on a safespot then just log in Both take no skill, but one is done to fight a war and get some fighting and show some skills in combat, the other one is done to bore the opponent to death. Logging on isnt done instantly, the frigates have to keep you in place and killing them if rigged properly is not a problem. You have time enough to run to your safespots and bore us to death, but since your forces actually lack the ability to take out frigates and take out an opponent that you outblob 3:1 i surely suggest your commanders to reconsider the CA terms. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Ravi Shankar	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: DREAMWORKS Since the last patch, where your ship warps away and warps back in and gives the target time to run this is indeed not an exploit and part of the game. Since this is the only way to get actually a fight, i don't have any problem with using this system. Sitting in a safespot while outnumbering your opponent 3:1 is what i call lame. Warping out while being warpscrambled is an act I still have to witness :) I think he's talking about the log-off merchants.
jason hill	Posted - 2004.06.03 14:59:00 - [20] ok ...if i remember ..it goes something like this .. you set a couple of frigates up as bait ..while the rest of your team are logged off but are in teamspeak .. the frigs get attacked they pass on the message via teamspeak whislst your being distracted by the frigs .they all logg back on .. they all turn up ...and you get ****ted ... basically "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.06.03 15:05:00 - [21] Originally by: jason hill ok ...if i remember ..it goes something like this .. you set a couple of frigates up as bait ..while the rest of your team are logged off but are in teamspeak .. the frigs get attacked they pass on the message via teamspeak whislst your being distracted by the frigs .they all logg back on .. they all turn up ...and you get **ted ... basically Not agreeing its an honourable tactic, but when has war ever been honourable! Can this not be countered? With a watchful eye on local I am sure ships logging in is the same time frame as ships jumping in? Vive la resistance ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!**
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.06.03 15:11:00 - [22] And then? You're scrambled and webbed by the frigates. It's ***** lame, Dreamworks, and months ago everyone in the CA was spamming the out of the forums saying how * that is.
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.06.03 15:20:00 - [23] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan And then? You're scrambled and webbed by the frigates. Ok true, but if there is a chance of a trap again would it not be prudent to air on the side of caution when confronted by a few frigates? I shouldn't realy comment, I have not been hit by such tactic so will refrain from adding to it further. Vive la resistance ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.06.03 15:41:00 - [24] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Originally by: HC MasiEEE Well it takes a little more skill to sit on a safespot then just log in Both take no skill, but one is done to fight a war and get some fighting and show some skills in combat, the other one is done to bore the opponent to death. Logging on isnt done instantly, the frigates have to keep you in place and killing them if rigged properly is not a problem. You have time enough to run to your safespots and bore us to death, but since your forces actually lack the ability to take out frigates and take out an opponent that you outblob 3:1 i surely suggest your commanders to reconsider the CA terms. Sigh you cant keep your mind of those safespots can ya i will leave it as it is cant change a thing so i give it a rest, let the gm's decide __________ HC MasiEEE
Georg Inekn	Posted - 2004.06.03 16:08:00 - [25] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan It's ***** lame, Dreamworks, and months ago everyone in the CA was spamming the out of the forums saying how * that is. I think it's hilarious how the text is **'ed out on the forums, but you can read it just fine when quoting it. BTW, Bob, kudos for half of your most recent posts being like " this and that and your *** mother, you *** *." It's like listening to the radio edits of my favorite hip hop cuts! Oh, on topic: I, too, remember this being classified as an exploit by devs/GMs at some point in the previous eight months.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.06.03 16:16:00 - [26] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 03/06/2004 16:17:59 Half the characters in pretty much all my posts are asteriks. Oh well
StarLite	Posted - 2004.06.03 17:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Zen Jakkaru I remember CCP coming out and saying this was infact an exploit somewhere last year, and people using it would be banned without second thought. Maybe i'm just going bonkers. No your not bonkers, CCP actually said this in an official announcement [I can't recall wether it was an ingame newsitem or one on the site] but logging on en masse and ganking people is a bannable offence. I'm not sure wether it's still that way, maybe they changed it or summing :) ___________________________________________________
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.06.03 17:26:00 - [28] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan And then? You're scrambled and webbed by the frigates. It's ***** lame, Dreamworks, and months ago everyone in the CA was spamming the out of the forums saying how * that is. Is it ******* lame because im in Omega or because the tactic itself is lame Bob? I get the feeling that as a member of a corporation that is now in the news for some abuse of systems and was using the stacking exploit you of all people have the last right to be able to respond to topics like this. Atleast we petitioned to check if the tactic was a valid, unlike claiming that all cans you used to create lag where from people you killed (and we all damn knew that every single bit of item you guys got from ships you guys killed was picked up and refined). Here we are in Xetic, fighting an enemy that doesnt want to fight or is too damn afraid to do so. That claims a region and comes out there safespots when we move to another location where people mine, trying to bore their enemies to death. I havent been in log off ganking tactics atm YET, but its something i have suggested in some cases before. Some people just warp to a safespot and log the moment they see people comming that actually are willing to fight, just to gank people who aren't prepared or heavily outnumbered. And dont talk about months ago, those were times where you didnt even warped in or out when loggin off. There are other conditions atm, and none of those conditions make you look a less ass than you are. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.06.03 17:37:00 - [29] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 03/06/2004 17:53:37 Oh, wow, now you have to spend 3 seconds to warp back to the gate where you logged off. Big change. My problem with this**gotry has nothing to do with you being in Omega, and tbh I don't even think I've seen your character in game (unless you are Duke Droklar), so I've never seen you smacktalk before and have no problem with you. It's a lame tactic, and since I've never exploited, you can't use any of that against me when I say it's *** lame. A few months ago, people were doing it to us in the CA, and like we said, we put a big fuss up about it, having similar reactions as this fellow: Quote: Howdy guys, I am assuming you guys are reffering to CA doing this, I'm not aware of it being a tactic we use BUT could you tell me who was involved and when and how you know the people are logged off? Send me an eve mail if you wish It was seen as a *** lame tactic then by the CA, and apparently still is by most, because a 3 second warp is nothing. I doubt those same people will still claim that its *** lame now that you have come out admitting to use it Also - what news of m0o "abuse of systems?" The guy that was not in m0o that randomly sent hundreds of people isk, where zap and rev were banned for being randomly sent more than the others, where the GM stated Zap was not involved but that it did not matter? you. Just because the GMs are *****s that hate my corp doesn't make anything I say less valid.
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2004.06.03 17:48:00 - [30] it's called reinforcements. And it's been going on for centuries. Or maybe it's an ambush? 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004

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