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Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:04:00 - [1] Currently CSM squabbles over individual ship nerfs or buffs that are largely focused on improving their own interests. In fact, whenever you get into such small details, the answers to the question of "is the XXX correct for its ship type" are heavily biased and easily dismissable by CCP. The CSM needs to focus on things that affect the community as a whole and the game as a whole. First, make a rule that you do not deal with individual ships, individual ship nerfs and so on. For sure the CSM should speak up on game wide changes like the nano changes but not on whether the Vagabond needs another midslot and so on. There are dozens of useful issues the CSM could push with CCP. These issues span the entire game and are of paramount importance to large segments of the population. At any rate here are some game-wide and pervasive issues I would focus on if I were the chair of the CSM: 1) Corp interface. 4 years and still major dental surgery is less painful. This has been brought up again and again and ignored! 2) A PRACTICAL and EFFECTIVE cure to the Jita market center issue. Lots of ideas have been posted that stink and lots that are great. Sort them, propose an agenda, gets player feedback. 3) Revamp of the POS interface and a re-evaluation of POS defenses which have NOT kept up with the changes to the game. The HP buffs, Capital Ship buffs and so on have not been offset by POS improvements to adjust for those changes. 3 or 4 dreads can now take down even the best equipped POS. Dreads can now tank 9 or more Large artillery and there is no more grid to mount more. 4) Sovereignty rules that focus on players establishing kingdoms and pushing the conflict to the border regions rather than all over the map. And the FPS-Motivated capture-the-flag type control points for sovereignty are DUMB. Sovereignty should be based on occupancy, usage and activity in an area. Also when it comes to allowing player kingdoms, Sovereignty defenses (Gate sentry guns, standings based bubbles and so on) should be in the mix. You guys make progress on any of those and I will start supporting you. By progress, I mean come up with an agenda, talk through the ideas, filter the radical wacko suggestions, put the rest of the suggestions to the community perhaps in an in-game community voting mechanism. You could get CCP to write code that would allow you to pop up a vote per account on an issue. An in-game vote is preferable because that would allow you to poll the 90% of the eve population that doesn't come here. The vote should be targeted if possible. For example dont ask an empire carebear about sovereignty control, instead pop up that vote only if you end up docking at a station in 0.0. The final part of progress is get the result given to CCP and have them commit to its implementation or provide concrete and specific reasons why certain things cant be done. Does the CSM want to change their ways? Do they want to gain the respect of the community? If so then this is how to do it.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Rells on 14/08/2008 16:12:30 Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Rells Currently CSM squabbles over individual ship nerfs or buffs that are largely focused on improving their own interests. In fact, whenever you get into such small details, the answers to the question of "is the XXX correct for its ship type" are heavily biased and easily dismissable by CCP What did you expect from a popularity contest anyway? Ahh well everyone knows what I think of the current CSM. The question is, are they going to be more interesting than the attraction of watching a car wreck in progress? Originally by: Garreck I think when people start using the CSM forums to raise issues and get popular support for those issues, then the CSM itself can actually start functioning as it should (a voice of the Eve community.) For as long as people would rather complain about CSM in other forums instead, then CSM is going to have not much better to do than raise pointless issues in their meetings and have pointless squables. I could be crazy, though. The problem is the CSM hasn't shown LEADERSHIP. They havent shown the ability to rise above the petty debates and get substantial things done for the game at large. If they do that then people will start praising and trusting them.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.14 23:25:00 - [3] Originally by: Kahega Amielden 1) Don't know about this. Then you have never run a corp in this game and have little umph left to back up your other points. Originally by: Kahega Amielden 2) Don't **ing go to Jita. You can get anything you need from any of the other market hubs without the lag; I've NEVER had any issues getting stuff in Amarr. The only problem is that Jita is overpopulated because a) FotM Caldari players and b) people who think that the only place to get stuff is Jita. YOU have never needed something in jita but we have already established that you are a fairly inexperienced player. There are many high end things that can only be gotten in Jita. In addition, all the market traders, commodities speculators and reaction producers MUST do business in jita. Originally by:** Kahega Amielden 3 and 4) AFAIK some CSM members are already working for this. "Working on it" is not an answer I accept. It is a cop-out non-answer used to crush people off. Its like saying "leave me alone". CCP does this and its just as much garbage from them. I dont have to take it from the CSM which is supposed to be working for us. @Bamar - Excellent post.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.14 23:32:00 - [4] Edited by: Rells on 14/08/2008 23:33:19 Edited by: Rells on 14/08/2008 23:32:26 Originally by: LaVista Vista Look, I fully agree with the point about individual ships. But well, the rest of the CSM hasn't seemed to be wanting to discuss it too much. I will be pushing forward getting guidelines about it, though. I fervently hope the rest follow your lead then. Originally by: LaVista Vista 1) We already raised a ton of interface issue. The response from CCP was that they are reworking the WHOLE UI. Corp interface will be included. WHEN? Seriously man I have heard that for 4 to 5 years. It doesnt wash with me anymore. "Soon" means "Shut Up and Stop Bothering Us". I want to know when and I want CCP to make a PUBLIC commitment to the CSM and the community. We just don't buy "we are working on it" anymore, especially whe they come out with a slew of changes that should have FAR lower priority.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.15 20:47:00 - [5] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Rells WHEN? Seriously man I have heard that for 4 to 5 years. It doesnt wash with me anymore. "Soon" means "Shut Up and Stop Bothering Us". I want to know when and I want CCP to make a PUBLIC commitment to the CSM and the community. We just don't buy "we are working on it" anymore, especially whe they come out with a slew of changes that should have FAR lower priority. As I indirectly pointed out in above message, the response we got was quite different. CCP has created a new UI group which will be working on streamlining the whole UI. But as with any software company that has a very agile process, priorities change all the time. That makes it very hard to actually give dates. Things come up all the time etc. I wish I could give you an exact time for when it will arrive. And I bet my ass that CCP would love that too. Do you think CCP are doing it to get all your tears? CCP are players too. In short: I can't answer your question, neither is it likely even the big guys inside CCP can. So it might be a bit unreasonable to ask for something that simply can't be answered. While it would be nice, it's unlikely. But it's my hope that CCP will hurry up and just rework the damn thing. In short this translates to "Nothing New". The fact is that if they have time to work on a USELESS feature like ambulation, they should have time to work on the Corp UI which should be significantly easier. Sorry but they are blowing smoke up your skirt when they say they cant give a deadline and run crap by you about agile process. Agile process would dictate they finish fixing defective features before adding eye candy. They need to be pinned to a date or you and I might be having this discussion again next year. If you are going to be a CSM of worthy note, you need to stop buying the party line and start taking CCP to task.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.15 20:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Drunk Driver CSM could impress me by making a walrus tap dance. . That might be easier than getting CCP to redo the corp interface.

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