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AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.17 15:24:00 - [121] Originally by: Naomi Knight Nicely said Astro is a little emo child,but we will take his cookie away nomatter how much he cries ,well he likes to cry and cry and cry and ... he must be enjoying the nano nerf ,we should even give him a matar nerf too :D Looks like I have lots of e-stalkers.
Jodie Amille Sadist Faction	Posted - 2008.08.17 16:22:00 - [122] Edited by: Jodie Amille on 17/08/2008 16:22:28 Originally by: Naomi Knight Nicely said Astro is a little emo child,but we will take his cookie away nomatter how much he cries ,well he likes to cry and cry and cry and ... he must be enjoying the nano nerf ,we should even give him a matar nerf too :D To paraphrase: "I disagree with his ideas but have no numbers and/or proof to back me up so I'll call him names and act like a 7 year old" WTS: Maturity. You're going to need it if you ever want to have an adult conversation.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.17 16:31:00 - [123] Originally by: Jodie Amille Edited by: Jodie Amille on 17/08/2008 16:22:28 Originally by: Naomi Knight Nicely said Astro is a little emo child,but we will take his cookie away nomatter how much he cries ,well he likes to cry and cry and cry and ... he must be enjoying the nano nerf ,we should even give him a matar nerf too :D To paraphrase: "I disagree with his ideas but have no numbers and/or proof to back me up so I'll call him names and act like a 7 year old" WTS: Maturity. You're going to need it if you ever want to have an adult conversation. It's the interweb. Hell, even off the interweb, your average human is incapable of having an intelligent discussion, and your average adult is pretty damn immature deep down inside. It's not surprising that people act like babies on the interweb, where there are no consequences and heaven forbid they have to write, rather than talk, haha.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.17 16:33:00 - [124] Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: Jodie Amille Edited by: Jodie Amille on 17/08/2008 16:22:28 Originally by: Naomi Knight Nicely said Astro is a little emo child,but we will take his cookie away nomatter how much he cries ,well he likes to cry and cry and cry and ... he must be enjoying the nano nerf ,we should even give him a matar nerf too :D To paraphrase: "I disagree with his ideas but have no numbers and/or proof to back me up so I'll call him names and act like a 7 year old" WTS: Maturity. You're going to need it if you ever want to have an adult conversation. It's the interweb. Hell, even off the interweb, your average human is incapable of having an intelligent discussion, and your average adult is pretty damn immature deep down inside. It's not surprising that people act like babies on the interweb, where there are no consequences and heaven forbid they have to write, rather than talk, haha. aww the truth hurts
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.17 16:34:00 - [125] Originally by: Stab Wounds aww the truth hurts ITT: Irony.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:05:00 - [126] Originally by: Jodie Amille Edited by: Jodie Amille on 17/08/2008 16:22:28 Originally by: Naomi Knight Nicely said Astro is a little emo child,but we will take his cookie away nomatter how much he cries ,well he likes to cry and cry and cry and ... he must be enjoying the nano nerf ,we should even give him a matar nerf too :D To paraphrase: "I disagree with his ideas but have no numbers and/or proof to back me up so I'll call him names and act like a 7 year old" WTS: Maturity. You're going to need it if you ever want to have an adult conversation. This is perfectly true for Astro just read his posts ,but looks like this is you :)
Matsif	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:17:00 - [127] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Jodie Amille Edited by: Jodie Amille on 17/08/2008 16:22:28 Originally by: Naomi Knight Nicely said Astro is a little emo child,but we will take his cookie away nomatter how much he cries ,well he likes to cry and cry and cry and ... he must be enjoying the nano nerf ,we should even give him a matar nerf too :D To paraphrase: "I disagree with his ideas but have no numbers and/or proof to back me up so I'll call him names and act like a 7 year old" WTS: Maturity. You're going to need it if you ever want to have an adult conversation. This is perfectly true for Astro just read his posts ,but looks like this is you :) cept astro has backed up his posts with numbers numerous times, where as you have only flamed and given no proof to your arguments.
Tyrenical Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:18:00 - [128] Originally by: Crove Rabble rabble. I was going to comment on the epic fail of this entire thread, and construct a well articulated and enlightening argument, but then I considered my target audience. This
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:23:00 - [129] Ignore Naomi, he/she/it is an Amarr RPer who trolls all the Minmatar threads, he contributed a load of horse manure to all the Vargur threads as well. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:48:00 - [130] Originally by: Matsif Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Jodie Amille Edited by: Jodie Amille on 17/08/2008 16:22:28 Originally by: Naomi Knight Nicely said Astro is a little emo child,but we will take his cookie away nomatter how much he cries ,well he likes to cry and cry and cry and ... he must be enjoying the nano nerf ,we should even give him a matar nerf too :D To paraphrase: "I disagree with his ideas but have no numbers and/or proof to back me up so I'll call him names and act like a 7 year old" WTS: Maturity. You're going to need it if you ever want to have an adult conversation. This is perfectly true for Astro just read his posts ,but looks like this is you :) cept astro has backed up his posts with numbers numerous times, where as you have only flamed and given no proof to your arguments. Why should i spend my time on bringing numbers because non of you can be reasoned with anyway. Btw others brought nubers ,did you even read those post? Possibly no all of you are write only mode.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.17 18:51:00 - [131] Edited by: Naomi Knight on 17/08/2008 18:51:15 Originally by: Pan Crastus Ignore Naomi, he/she/it is an Amarr RPer who trolls all the Minmatar threads, he contributed a load of horse manure to all the Vargur threads as well. :) Vargure is awesome much better than any other marauders. Just imagine ac with 60km falloff when doing 700dps ,what is that if not awesome?
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:35:00 - [132] You know, as I was reading this thread, I squirmed every time that rTtard Mythrell posted. Then he stopped, and I thought, maybe this thread can finally get back on track again. But then a bunch of other rTtards come in and start saying "Vargure is awsum guyz". :*(
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:45:00 - [133] Originally by: Naomi Knight Edited by: Naomi Knight on 17/08/2008 18:51:15 Originally by: Pan Crastus Ignore Naomi, he/she/it is an Amarr RPer who trolls all the Minmatar threads, he contributed a load of horse manure to all the Vargur threads as well. :) Vargure is awesome much better than any other marauders. Just imagine ac with 60km falloff when doing 700dps ,what is that if not awesome? Obvious troll is obvious.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.17 19:58:00 - [134] Originally by: Naomi Knight Edited by: Naomi Knight on 17/08/2008 18:51:15 Originally by: Pan Crastus Ignore Naomi, he/she/it is an Amarr RPer who trolls all the Minmatar threads, he contributed a load of horse manure to all the Vargur threads as well. :) Vargure is awesome much better than any other marauders. Just imagine ac with 60km falloff when doing 700dps ,what is that if not awesome? Oh, my god, it's a troll. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.17 20:01:00 - [135] AH yeah I forgot about 190+ drone dmg my bad ..:(
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.17 21:19:00 - [136] Naomi, just for you: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=841805 Have a nice read. Since you seem to be advocating reading, perhaps you should try this thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=801402
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.17 22:01:00 - [137] CCP should just remove falloff, it's amazing how many people do not know how it works. It's simply too complicated for all the "Cladari" noobs and since EVE is being turned into ... something else right now anyway, they might as well make it understandable for the new target audience.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.18 03:19:00 - [138] I don't know if I'd say falloff needs to be removed, but I do agree people are too quick to fit a tempest in EFT, load hail and then look at the DPS value EFT spits out. I don't blame EFT, but it'd be nice if people actually knew how to interpret the numbers it spits out, i.e. not only DPS but tracking, optimal, falloff, ammo penalties, etc.
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.08.18 03:36:00 - [139] Originally by: Naomi Knight Edited by: Naomi Knight on 17/08/2008 18:51:15 Originally by: Pan Crastus Ignore Naomi, he/she/it is an Amarr RPer who trolls all the Minmatar threads, he contributed a load of horse manure to all the Vargur threads as well. :) Vargure is awesome much better than any other marauders. Just imagine ac with 60km falloff when doing 700dps ,what is that if not awesome?
Mythrell Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.19 12:46:00 - [140] Edited by: Mythrell on 19/08/2008 12:46:55 Ok, here's something I did with my spare time. Yes, EFT graphs. I bet someone else has done them too but atleast in my graphs I don't see Minmatar BS's or AC's failing as much as everyone keep telling me. Sure they don't do best DPS but surely not worst either. EFT graphs enjoy, lots of pics inside.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.19 13:04:00 - [141] Originally by: Mythrell Edited by: Mythrell on 19/08/2008 12:46:55 Ok, here's something I did with my spare time. Yes, EFT graphs. I bet someone else has done them too but atleast in my graphs I don't see Minmatar BS's or AC's failing as much as everyone keep telling me. Sure they don't do best DPS but surely not worst either. EFT graphs enjoy, lots of pics inside. What? It shows our BS suck horribly (even though you've fit torps/etc on Tempests to get full DPS)... that's a huge, huge advantage for Amarr.
Mythrell Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.19 14:10:00 - [142] Beating the ships not in the list (apoc, domi, scorp) and Rokh, hyperion doesn't count I guess? Every Minmatar BS does higher DPS than these, granted that apoc and domi will have some range advantage. Only Raven, Armageddon, Abaddon and Megathron do more DPS to large ships. And the Raven is only ship which cannot be disabled by two heavy neuts while none of the Minmatar ships would suffer at all from that. ~150 DPS Difference also gets smaller if you don't have all skills to lvl 5, which would go for the 98% of the player base.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:02:00 - [143] EFT graphs don't show hit quality, they're also completely too messy to retrieve actual information. From what I eyeballed, even without hit quality measured, minmatar ships only start outdamaging gall ships around 25km and this is nothing new.

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