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Mika Mikoyan
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:13:00 -
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Until CCP allows me to buy skill points, there is no way I will ever compete with someone who has 50 million or more skill points. That is the problem with being new to a game that has been out this long. You will never be competitive against such a large SP gap. But I'm sure CCP has no problem taking my money. 
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:15:00 -
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you don't know what in the flaming blue **** you're talking about, your inability to compete has nothing to do with your SP total, 0/10
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Layne Rockefeller
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:15:00 -
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If you really have that much of a problem with it, and are really that lazy, and really that unwilling to put forth any of your personal time and effort instead of just throwing down money and not really earning something and being a joke to both yourself and everybody else, then there are actual characters for sale with plenty of SP, buy one of them.
k thx.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 16/08/2008 05:16:41
 Originally by: Mika Mikoyan
Until CCP allows me to buy skill points, there is no way I will ever compete with someone who has 50 million or more skill points. That is the problem with being new to a game that has been out this long. You will never be competitive against such a large SP gap. But I'm sure CCP has no problem taking my money.
You can be competitive by specializing. You can only be so good, skillpoints wise, at any given task in this game. It is not very hard to be just as good as a 50m skillpoint character at flying, say, assault frigates, or even heavy assault ships.
The difference will be that you might be just as good at flying a Zealot, but the 50m SP character can also jump in a Cerberus, and you can't fly it at all because you've specialized to be as good as possible in a Zealot.
If it bothers you that much, you CAN buy skillpoints, in a way. Earn yourself enough isk to buy a 50m skillpoint character and do so. Or, if you're not into earning, buy a bunch of Game-time cards, sell them for isk, and use the isk to buy a 50m skillpoint character.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:18:00 -
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The OP reminds me of a certain other author of a failed whine thread. Preleon...is that you?
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Layne Rockefeller
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:19:00 -
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on second thought, send me 1.2 bil in isk, and I'll send you 50 million SP
isk first though, wouldn't want you to cheat me.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:20:00 -
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Whats to stop the high SP peeps from buying more SP?
Oh and try tactics sometime.
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Mika Mikoyan
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:21:00 -
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Ah, do not think I am so naive to think that I have any chance against someone flying a Claymore when I am flying a T1 frigate. Not to mention the fact that it will take me months to get into a ship that will be able to mildly compete against such odds. I'm not asking for an unlimited amount of SP to be available for purchase, just something that will give me a fighting chance within a couple of months.
As it stands, this game is skewed heavily against new players given the mean SP of the populous. And since I am already forking over money to play, why not fork over a little more to be able to compete in a meaningful way??
You can call me a cry baby or whatever, but you know my point is valid. 5 million SP vs 50 million SP.....not even close.
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Mika Mikoyan
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Whats to stop the high SP peeps from buying more SP?
Oh and try tactics sometime.
Errr....you could put a limit on the purchase of SP. Say something around 20M SP.....that would be a nice start.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:23:00 -
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ROFL!! yep that's Praleon. Lost one fight and trying to start another one. Pretty friggin pathetic.
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Layne Rockefeller
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Layne Rockefeller on 16/08/2008 05:23:11
ok, everyone has to start somewhere buddy. there have been THOUSANDS of people who haven't been able to 'compete' for some length of time or another. There's no shame in carebearing for a little while. Honestly it's true for all RPG's, you have to put it time, or be a lazy bum and buy a 50 mil SP character.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:23:00 -
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My mission raven took on a 2004 and a 2005 duo once. What's your problem you baby?
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Jack Airron
Gallente
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Mikoyan
Ah, do not think I am so naive to think that I have any chance against someone flying a Claymore when I am flying a T1 frigate. Not to mention the fact that it will take me months to get into a ship that will be able to mildly compete against such odds. I'm not asking for an unlimited amount of SP to be available for purchase, just something that will give me a fighting chance within a couple of months.
As it stands, this game is skewed heavily against new players given the mean SP of the populous. And since I am already forking over money to play, why not fork over a little more to be able to compete in a meaningful way??
You can call me a cry baby or whatever, but you know my point is valid. 5 million SP vs 50 million SP.....not even close.
you can not hope to be as good with out some time invested so stop *****ing and train sp's. if not can i have your stuff?
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Mikoyan
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Whats to stop the high SP peeps from buying more SP?
Oh and try tactics sometime.
Errr....you could put a limit on the purchase of SP. Say something around 20M SP.....that would be a nice start.
So you buy 20 mil and they buy 20 mil. your back to square one.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Mikoyan
I'm not asking for an unlimited amount of SP to be available for purchase, just something that will give me a fighting chance within a couple of months.
Then you have two choices. Make friends or purchase additional accounts.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:28:00 -
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MOVE ALONG PEOPLE
NOTHING TO SEE HERE
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:29:00 -
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For the record, this has been suggested before, with no comment from the DEVS. Granted, it's been suggested before the days of the CSM, so you do have the option of calling this an [issue] and attempting to raise votes in the CSM forums, hoping they'll pick it up and present it to the devs.
If you do that, it'll accomplish more than complaining here does. It's just us players here. We can't do anything other than give our opinions in reply.
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Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:30:00 -
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Guys! Guys!
This is the guy that started another thread based off the same crap. He got his ass handed to him in the other 16 page thread and now he is trying again.
He wants instanced, leveled areas where equal SP pilots can fight each other. He is advocating zoned PvP because his friends bailed on him.
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Mika Mikoyan
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:31:00 -
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You can cap the purchase of SP....that would mean that people who already have above a certain level cannot purchase anymore.
Since this game does not reward grinding like WoW does, it only makes sense to even the playing field a bit for new players. I can only train skills so fast....I am a prisoner of the clock. Why don't you naysayers address my points specifically.
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Mika Mikoyan
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel
For the record, this has been suggested before, with no comment from the DEVS. Granted, it's been suggested before the days of the CSM, so you do have the option of calling this an [issue] and attempting to raise votes in the CSM forums, hoping they'll pick it up and present it to the devs.
If you do that, it'll accomplish more than complaining here does. It's just us players here. We can't do anything other than give our opinions in reply.
Finally, someone with common sense!
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Corduroy Rab
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:37:00 -
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only if i can steal the sp you buy.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:41:00 -
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When I started Eve, I joined a friend's corp who had been in game a while. The Friend was Blacklight, and the corp was BNC, even then a well respected pvp corp.
I was a noob with less than 100,000 SPs
Many of them had well over 10mil SPs
I was effective with weeks
I was fully "competitive" within a year.
You can do the same damn thing.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:43:00 -
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you already can buy skill points
purchase and trade GTC's
then visit the character buy forum
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:44:00 -
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On a related note....
If CCP ever does want to put a "limit" out there, I'd recommend it be at least 20mil SPs higher than the highest SP player in game, AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, add the ability to "unlearn" skills.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings
Echelon.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:48:00 -
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I think it would be cool. A new player comes along with 800k skill points. He then buys 20 mill skill points and can fly a capital if he wants to.
Then that same person who bought the SP's buys some nice iskies off ebay "or through GTC's", fit's the carrier with honor tank and goes solo to clear a gate camp. Said person then comes to forums to whine that his carier with uber honor tank got ganked and cry's. Asks for CCP to make players under a yea old immune as they dont have the experience of playes that have played for 5 years and its unfair. CCP implements the immunity for noobs and suddenly were playing a crappier version of hello kitty online.
Please sir, give up computer games. Dont even go back to wow as even that game has some standards which you dont seem to raise to.
/rant off
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Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings
Echelon.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
On a related note....
add the ability to "unlearn" skills.
Now that is a good idea, woukld have to have set rules to it but definately something for the dev's to think over I'd say.
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Sani Ka
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:55:00 -
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umm u already can buy sps, just make alot of isk and buy a high sp char....
or ya know, go back to wow.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.16 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Mikoyan
Until CCP allows me to buy skill points, there is no way I will ever compete with someone who has 50 million or more skill points.
Even if you COULDN'T buy skillpoints (which you can do, by the way), you STILL could compete with high-SP players thanks to the little thing called specialisation.
Yes, a very much older player MIGHT have shedloads of SP in so many things that it hurts, however only a small portion of those SP could possibly EVER affect any particular ship he's flying... so, if you specialize in something (like, say, oh, interceptors), you could obtain pretty much the same level as the much older player (if even not surpass it) sooner rather than later... the older player can't train more than L5 in any appliable skill, and there's only so many appliable skills for each ship.
The older player will simply be "good at" more ships... but in any each individual one, a pilot that specializes in them and only them can be even better.
Finally, you said there's no SP buy, I said there is.
If you're still confused, it's called BUYING A CHARACTER WITH ISK.
And they're quite cheap, actually... they're usually cheaper than what it would take you (ISK-wise) to train them up from zero using ISK for implants, skills and GTCs only.
And you get them "now" as opposed to after a long, long wait.
Bottom line... OP has absolutely no point, just a complete lack of understanding.
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THE APPRENTICE || mineral balance || nanofix
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Sani Ka
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
On a related note....
add the ability to "unlearn" skills.
Now that is a good idea, woukld have to have set rules to it but definately something for the dev's to think over I'd say.
too easy to exploit, just build a max int mem gallente char and train industry skills then reset the points for ship or weapon or whatever skills and blammo you have a super fast training omni char that can do and fly anything.
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Orvas Dren
Gallente
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.16 06:08:00 -
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Ah, do not think I am so naive to think that I have any chance against someone flying a Claymore when I am flying a T1 frigate. Not to mention the fact that it will take me months to get into a ship that will be able to mildly compete against such odds. I'm not asking for an unlimited amount of SP to be available for purchase, just something that will give me a fighting chance within a couple of months.
As it stands, this game is skewed heavily against new players given the mean SP of the populous. And since I am already forking over money to play, why not fork over a little more to be able to compete in a meaningful way??
You are under the impression that this gap wasn't entirely designed and intended? It is a necessary method to teach such young and inexperienced pilots such as yourself the really fine detail mechanics of the game. You don't hear me, a 46mil SP suboptimally laid-out Intaki moaning about the players with near 90mil SP and gaining them faster than I. I know that at the ships I have chosen to fly, I am more than capable of matching their abilities in those ships specifically. Tactics then allow me to match my chosen ship vs theirs. Thats what having played since 2004 has gained me. If you think that the experience can be bought just as easily as the SP, please, seek out Ebay so we can get you banned for violating the EULA.
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