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"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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I suggest you get some friends together and cause them to explode. And take their stuff. Their delicious, delicious stuff.

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Originally by: Karanth

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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I suggest you get some friends together and cause them to explode. And take their stuff. Their delicious, delicious stuff.

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Dude... your face.

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"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: Kirra Liu

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There are 3 CNR's on the scan with the same name, that's weird but can be simple explanation. Although majority of the Caldari Navy Raven's are piloted by people with real crappy names, not dhfjskks, but still crappy which suggests the possibility that theyre farmers.

Would make sense that farmers are investing in CNR's to complete missions quicker "due to the extra launcher slot", and it was only a matter of time that these isk farmers worked out that running missions is way more profitable than mining.

I actually expected to see more destroyers around for salvaging as they surely wouldnt let salvage go to waste.

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You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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I solved the isk farmer problem myself, but thne the isk farmer problem solved me

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"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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I solved the isk farmer problem myself, but thne the isk farmer problem solved me

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No, you have to say "In soviet russia" before you do it

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Originally by: GallenteCitizen20080615

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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I solved the isk farmer problem myself, but thne the isk farmer problem solved me

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No, you have to say "In soviet russia" before you do it

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amn you eye s are really freeky


quick find some children and give them reoccruing nightmares for the rest of there short pod pilot lives

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"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here is why npc corp immunity needs to go.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here is why npc corp immunity needs to go.

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Actually, that's why highsec high level missions need a swift and speedy nerf-kick in the behind.

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"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here is why npc corp immunity needs to go.

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Actually, that's why highsec high level missions need a swift and speedy nerf-kick in the behind.

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Originally by: Strictly Forums

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Right. So people can take NPcing-fitted ships through pirate gate camps in low sec to get blown up as easy marks. Makes perfect sense to me.

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Oh, people should bring friends then, an escort force? Missions are boring enough as it is.

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To make you subject to being ganked in them by someone with a recon probe launcher just would kill high level missions full stop.

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Now I know many think they should be killed off, but just like BMs weren't killed off (just replaced with WTZ), neither will this high sec way to make ISK be killed off.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 18/08/2008 01:45:19

Originally by: Strictly Forums

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Right. So people can take NPcing-fitted ships through pirate gate camps in low sec to get blown up as easy marks. Makes perfect sense to me.

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Then DON'T get expensive NPC fits in lowsec. No risk, no reward. Sounds about right.

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Oh, people should bring friends then, an escort force? Missions are boring enough as it is.

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So the ability to suffer through boredom should be rewarded with big lumps of ISK ?

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To make you subject to being ganked in them by someone with a recon probe launcher just would kill high level missions full stop.

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People run L4s in 0.0 ; some people run L4s in lowsec.
They don't die constantly, they use bugdet fits, they take precautions, they cooperate.
Want to go at it solo ? Sure, fine, no problem... just take the decreased ISK income that goes alongside the "no risk" option.

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Now I know many think they should be killed off, but just like BMs weren't killed off (just replaced with WTZ), neither will this high sec way to make ISK be killed off.

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I didn't say "killed off". I said "nerf-kicked".
Example of what COULD be done : adjust NPC bounties and loot drops according to security rating.
So, yeah, you still fight the same enemies... but, whoops, they only give you a fraction of the ISK and drop a fraction of the loot/salvage they used to.

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Originally by: oilio

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The problem with nerfing L4s is that a significant number of players buy their play time using ISK from mission running.
If you hurt mission running IN ANY WAY, CCP will lose subscribers.

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Originally by: Strictly Forums

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All *****ing and *****ing and more *****ing. There have been level 4s in high sec for years, and again it isn't changing. This is beating a horse that is so dead its smell is global. A better idea would be to give people real reasons to be in low sec, not the opportunity to try to do level 4 NPC missions in PVP fitted ships to fend off pirates on the way in and out. If you think this would have a lot of uptake, just look at precisely how many people are running the FW missions (not plexes and fleets, the missions) in low sec when they need to be PVP kitted.

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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EVERYONE can run L4's and make a nice chunk of change off of it, they aren't going to nerf it.

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i do not see what the deal is with people trying to force others into going into low-sec or null-sec if they don't wish to.
This is EVE you know... game is supposed to be about complete FREEDOM and the ability for everyone to play how they want to play.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 18/08/2008 02:08:05

You don't have to nerf missions. You just have to do something that nerfs the crap out of NPC corps and buffs war decs. It'd be so easy to allow players to actually fight these guys, since petitions clearly aren't dissuading them. Prevent anyone in an NPC corp from flying anything bigger than a T1 cruiser and T2 ships of any size. Increase the leaving time in corps at war to seven days to limit corp hopping, and allow people to buy temporary kill rights against players who leave a corp that was at war. There are so many reasons to do these things, not the least of which is the fact that it will affect these farming RM trader idiots.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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EVERYONE can run L4's and make a nice chunk of change off of it, they aren't going to nerf it.

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Actually, THAT is precisely the problem. Everyone can, and everyone does, or has an alt (or two, or three) that does it.

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i do not see what the deal is with people trying to force others into going into low-sec or null-sec if they don't wish to.
This is EVE you know... game is supposed to be about complete FREEDOM and the ability for everyone to play how they want to play.

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Who's FORCING you to go to lowsec ? Nobody.
Your desire for ISK should make you want to go there.
Right now, there's no reason to. If highsec mission-running income (NOT just L4s, ALL levels) would be significantly lower than lowsec income, more people will eventually move there.
Those that wish to stay in highsec can do that...
...but they're not supposed to be ABLE to make the same cash as a lowsec/0.0 dweller can.

Freedom ? Always. Equality in spite of (lack of) risks ? HELL NO !

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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I say stop *****ing about everything that doesn't suit your personal expectations. EVERYONE can run L4's and make a nice chunk of change off of it, they aren't going to nerf it. I personally have nothing against going into null-space and ratting and running missions there, but seriously, i do not see what the deal is with people trying to force others into going into low-sec or null-sec if they don't wish to.

This is EVE you know... game is supposed to be about complete FREEDOM and the ability for everyone to play how they want to play.

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Originally by: oilio

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The problem with nerfing L4s is that a significant number of players buy their play time using ISK from mission running.

If you hurt mission running IN ANY WAY, CCP will lose subscribers.

Keeping missions as they are results in either a) no loss of subscribers or b) more subscribers.

The principle of nerfing High Sec missions may have some merit, but the practical issue is that CCP would DEFINITELY lose revenue as a result.

Anyone want to take bets on what's gonna happen?

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here is why npc corp immunity needs to go.

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Actually, that's why highsec high level missions need a swift and speedy nerf-kick in the behind.

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Yeah, but then the carebears get sad, and the highsec universe just falls apart

And even with a highsec mission nerf, the logoffski employed by lowsec/0.0 isk farmers will continue to work, until they hopefully(tm) fix that too

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Originally by: Stevens

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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I say stop *****ing about everything that doesn't suit your personal expectations. EVERYONE can run L4's and make a nice chunk of change off of it, they aren't going to nerf it. I personally have nothing against going into null-space and ratting and running missions there, but seriously, i do not see what the deal is with people trying to force others into going into low-sec or null-sec if they don't wish to.

This is EVE you know... game is supposed to be about complete FREEDOM and the ability for everyone to play how they want to play.

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People just want 0.0 and lowsec to be more profitable, you know that whole risk vs reward thing.

High-sec = low risk = low reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = most reward


Not what have now

High-sec = low risk = most reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = some reward

And don't even say that alliances make null-sec safer because thats unrelated. 5000 people making an area safer for people to run missions is far different from concord making it safer.

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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Edited by: Black Phlanx on 18/08/2008 02:37:47

Originally by: Stevens

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People just want 0.0 and lowsec to be more profitable, you know that whole risk vs reward thing.

High-sec = low risk = low reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = most reward


Not what have now

High-sec = low risk = most reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = some reward

And don't even say that alliances make null-sec safer because thats unrelated. 5000 people making an area safer for people to run missions is far different from concord making it safer.

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Actually I was going to say, what about the null-sec ratting, with the 1 million isk bounties, loot and salvage? That's just not profitable enough?

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 18/08/2008 02:37:52

Originally by: Black Phlanx

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Did you miss the above posts? People stating that they should nerf the high-sec missions to drive people into low-sec. That's what I was talking about. People shouldn't have to go to low-sec to make isk. What's next, nerfing contracts cuz haulers are operating out of high-sec and making more isk then people in low-sec?

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Why nerf anything ? Nerf nothing. Let people nerf themselves



You know, missions do get ISK, LP and standing gains AUTOMATICALLY adjusted up/down according to mission completion times.
How about we bring that concept with a twist in MISSION BOUNTY/LOOT/SALVAGE rewards too ?

The game would have 3 separate sections tallied up : highsec, lowsec and 0.0
EACH bounty reward ISK amount granted, EACH item base mineral value, EACH salvage component obtained, they ALL get tallied up together for each of those three areas constantly.
Now, each downtime, the MODIFIERS for each of those areas get adjusted 1% closer to a point where the grand total of obtainable value in each tier would be equal (or maybe weighted by total solarsystem or agent count, or a combination of both) in each section if the same collection rate would continue.

So... many people run any kinds of missions in highsec, and a few in lowsec and 0.0 ?
Highsec modifier starts dropping like a rock and keeps on dropping as long as the total value is still higher, while the rest keep getting higher and higher.
Kill a "800k BS rat" in highsec, but current modifier is a pathetic *0.3 ? Well, tough luck, you only get 240k. Kill the same one in lowsec, where the modifier is now *2.5 ? Well, whoop-tee-doo, you just got yourself a cool 2 mil ISK !
Same for loot and salvage... if you normally get on average 10 drops out of a BS wreck, you'll only get 3 in highsec, but 25 in lowsec.
Same for mineral value... dropping mods at -70% of normal rate, while in lowsec they drop at +150% rate.

In the end, it will EASILY balance itself out, risk-vs-reward-wise.

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Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here is why npc corp immunity needs to go.

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Actually, that's why highsec high level missions need a swift and speedy nerf-kick in the behind.

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Yeah, but then the carebears get sad, and the highsec universe just falls apart

And even with a highsec mission nerf, the logoffski employed by lowsec/0.0 isk farmers will continue to work, until they hopefully(tm) fix that too

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I love replies like this, its just ensures me how small minded players can be .. roflmao

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"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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While this is an interesting idea, wouldn't piracy skyrocket as a result then? Or has the FW pretty much taken the **** out of the pies in low-sec since they've been flooded by masses of PVP hungry pilots.

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: oilio

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Real reasons to be in lowsec ? Oh, you mean, like, oh gosh, TO MAKE THE MONEY THEY CAN NO LONGER MAKE IN HIGHSEC ?
Now, I'll be damned if that's not a mighty fine reason.

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Nope. The vast majority will sit it out, quit, or find other ways to make ISK less efficiently in high sec. The risk to going into low sec with a mission boat is too high, and the difficulty of completing a level 4 NPC mission in a PVP boat is also off (clearly they are balanced around the idea of people having specifically NPCing fitted ships). So, no, won't happen.

CCP has tried six ways till sunday to incent people to move to dangerous space and the reality is that most won't do it regardless of what the rules are, because losing their ship/kit is the Big Terrible. Note: I have lived in 0.0 and lowsec both, but I can tell you that the vast majority of empire dwellers just will never, ever, go there, especially not with a raven set for a level 4.

Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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wow, ok, well that is alot, no question there


i do have one question though, why the hell does


shi wait . . . . . whatever

why does he have like 3 raven navy issues?

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Originally by: Strictly Forums

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CCP has tried six ways till sunday to incent people to move to dangerous space and the reality is that most won't do it regardless of what the rules are, because losing their ship/kit is the Big Terrible. Note: I have lived in 0.0 and lowsec both, but I can tell you that the vast majority of empire dwellers just will never, ever, go there, especially not with a raven set for a level 4.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Strictly Forums

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CCP has tried six ways till sunday to incent people to move to dangerous space and the reality is that most won't do it regardless of what the rules are, because losing their ship/kit is the Big Terrible. Note: I have lived in 0.0 and lowsec both, but I can tell you that the vast majority of empire dwellers just will never, ever, go there, especially not with a raven set for a level 4.

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And why's that ? Because highsec mission-running is profitable enough, with practically zero risk.

Once the profitability of it drops to the point where MINING in highsec becomes more profitable (at least for a while, becore everything is stripmined on a daily basis), while the lowsec mission-running profitability soars sky-high, to maybe the point where you can actually REPLACE the full fit of a T2 Raven from the proceeds of a single mission... don't tell me people will STILL hang around in highsec like sheep ?
Not even you can possibly believe that.

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Originally by: Strictly Forums

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You may not "get it", but the vast majority of the empire set have zero interest in PVP and zero interest in high risk.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here is why npc corp immunity needs to go.

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Actually, that's why highsec high level missions need a swift and speedy nerf-kick in the behind.

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Originally by: Clair Bear

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Course, I already have my standings so yeah, let's get rid of all the missions in highsec.

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 18/08/2008 02:37:52

Originally by: Black Phlanx

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Did you miss the above posts? People stating that they should nerf the high-sec missions to drive people into low-sec. That's what I was talking about. People shouldn't have to go to low-sec to make isk. What's next, nerfing contracts cuz haulers are operating out of high-sec and making more isk then people in low-sec?

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Why nerf anything ? Nerf nothing. Let people nerf themselves



You know, missions do get ISK, LP and standing gains AUTOMATICALLY adjusted up/down according to mission completion times.
How about we bring that concept with a twist in MISSION BOUNTY/LOOT/SALVAGE rewards too ?

The game would have 3 separate sections tallied up : highsec, lowsec and 0.0
EACH bounty reward ISK amount granted, EACH item base mineral value, EACH salvage component obtained, they ALL get tallied up together for each of those three areas constantly.
Now, each downtime, the MODIFIERS for each of those areas get adjusted 1% closer to a point where the grand total of obtainable value in each tier would be equal (or maybe weighted by total solarsystem or agent count, or a combination of both) in each section if the same collection rate would continue.

So... many people run any kinds of missions in highsec, and a few in lowsec and 0.0 ?
Highsec modifier starts dropping like a rock and keeps on dropping as long as the total value is still higher, while the rest keep getting higher and higher.
Kill a "800k BS rat" in highsec, but current modifier is a pathetic *0.3 ? Well, tough luck, you only get 240k. Kill the same one in lowsec, where the modifier is now *2.5 ? Well, whoop-tee-doo, you just got yourself a cool 2 mil ISK !
Same for loot and salvage... if you normally get on average 10 drops out of a BS wreck, you'll only get 3 in highsec, but 25 in lowsec.
Same for mineral value... dropping mods at -70% of normal rate, while in lowsec they drop at +150% rate.

In the end, it will EASILY balance itself out, risk-vs-reward-wise.

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 18/08/2008 02:37:52

Originally by: Black Phlanx

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Did you miss the above posts? People stating that they should nerf the high-sec missions to drive people into low-sec. That's what I was talking about. People shouldn't have to go to low-sec to make isk. What's next, nerfing contracts cuz haulers are operating out of high-sec and making more isk then people in low-sec?

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Why nerf anything ? Nerf nothing. Let people nerf themselves



You know, missions do get ISK, LP and standing gains AUTOMATICALLY adjusted up/down according to mission completion times.
How about we bring that concept with a twist in MISSION BOUNTY/LOOT/SALVAGE rewards too ?

The game would have 3 separate sections tallied up : highsec, lowsec and 0.0
EACH bounty reward ISK amount granted, EACH item base mineral value, EACH salvage component obtained, they ALL get tallied up together for each of those three areas constantly.
Now, each downtime, the MODIFIERS for each of those areas get adjusted 1% closer to a point where the grand total of obtainable value in each tier would be equal (or maybe weighted by total solarsystem or agent count, or a combination of both) in each section if the same collection rate would continue.

So... many people run any kinds of missions in highsec, and a few in lowsec and 0.0 ?
Highsec modifier starts dropping like a rock and keeps on dropping as long as the total value is still higher, while the rest keep getting higher and higher.
Kill a "800k BS rat" in highsec, but current modifier is a pathetic *0.3 ? Well, tough luck, you only get 240k. Kill the same one in lowsec, where the modifier is now *2.5 ? Well, whoop-tee-doo, you just got yourself a cool 2 mil ISK !
Same for loot and salvage... if you normally get on average 10 drops out of a BS wreck, you'll only get 3 in highsec, but 25 in lowsec.
Same for mineral value... dropping mods at -70% of normal rate, while in lowsec they drop at +150% rate.

In the end, it will EASILY balance itself out, risk-vs-reward-wise.

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All the people in highsec who are only here to play against the environment and collect expensive novelty toys should all be banned and sent a pot of glitter as a farewell present.

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here's an idea.

How about anyone in an NPC corp can't fly anything above a battlecruiser.

Then nerf Level 4 mission rewards by 10% and add a few more warp scramblers.

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Although the highsec 800k rat being worth 100k example sounds a bit too harsh to me. I generally like the cut of the jib of this suggestion.

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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They will just rent space from 0.0 alliances and rat out there, and then the alliance leadership will get thier single account banned rather than the thousands of ISK farmer accounts.

Just One Example...

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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Edited by: Black Phlanx on 18/08/2008 02:29:59

Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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EVERYONE can run L4's and make a nice chunk of change off of it, they aren't going to nerf it.

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Actually, THAT is precisely the problem. Everyone can, and everyone does, or has an alt (or two, or three) that does it.

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i do not see what the deal is with people trying to force others into going into low-sec or null-sec if they don't wish to.
This is EVE you know... game is supposed to be about complete FREEDOM and the ability for everyone to play how they want to play.

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Who's FORCING you to go to lowsec ? Nobody.
Your desire for ISK should make you want to go there.
Right now, there's no reason to. If highsec mission-running income (NOT just L4s, ALL levels) would be significantly lower than lowsec income, more people will eventually move there.
Those that wish to stay in highsec can do that...
...but they're not supposed to be ABLE to make the same cash as a lowsec/0.0 dweller can.

Freedom ? Always. Equality in spite of (lack of) risks ? HELL NO !

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Did you miss the above posts? People stating that they should nerf the high-sec missions to drive people into low-sec. That's what I was talking about. People shouldn't have to go to low-sec to make isk. What's next, nerfing contracts cuz haulers are operating out of high-sec and making more isk then people in low-sec?

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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I say stop *****ing about everything that doesn't suit your personal expectations.

This is EVE you know... game is supposed to be about complete FREEDOM and the ability for everyone to play how they want to play.

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Originally by: Lyvv

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Edited by: Lyvv on 18/08/2008 10:10:12
One curious thing that comes to mind:
Sites that are listed on the forums as some kind of resource are actively advertising links to ISK Sellers.

Take a look at this mission guide resource, as an example:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=347028

There you will find link called "Eve-Info missions database"
http://eveinfo.com/forum/4-angel-extravaganza-t588.html

There, in the top frame of the page, you will see different advertising links,
most all of them leading to 3rd party ISK Selling Sites.

Just hit the refresh button a few times until you see one....

1st thing CCP should do imo is ban sites listed as a resource here.
CCP is actively contributing to those sites, like eveinfo.com to make money from ISK purchases with real money.

Ironically, CCP is contributing probably 99% of the potential ISK buying customers via these links themselves.

EDIT:
Same with http://www.eve-extra.com/agt_corps.php - bottom frame shows links to Eve Online Items, ISK ships and more...

funny shit tbh. Go stick it to CCP imo

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Originally by: Lyvv

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Edited by: Lyvv on 18/08/2008 10:10:12
One curious thing that comes to mind:
Sites that are listed on the forums as some kind of resource are actively advertising links to ISK Sellers.

Take a look at this mission guide resource, as an example:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=347028

There you will find link called "Eve-Info missions database"
http://eveinfo.com/forum/4-angel-extravaganza-t588.html

There, in the top frame of the page, you will see different advertising links,
most all of them leading to 3rd party ISK Selling Sites.

Just hit the refresh button a few times until you see one....

1st thing CCP should do imo is ban sites listed as a resource here.
CCP is actively contributing to those sites, like eveinfo.com to make money from ISK purchases with real money.

Ironically, CCP is contributing probably 99% of the potential ISK buying customers via these links themselves.

EDIT:
Same with http://www.eve-extra.com/agt_corps.php - bottom frame shows links to Eve Online Items, ISK ships and more...

funny shit tbh. Go stick it to CCP imo

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Fail.

These links are generated by google ads, which has nothing to do with CCP or the sites themselves.

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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Ok so that would just completely turn anyone away from even wanting to play EVE being told that, oh because you're not in a corp and you're new and don't know jack, we're just going to force you to stay in weak ships and not be able to even begin to be able to increase your income by running missions, because you won't be able to fly them since your ship will eventually be outclassed by the missions that you're running. All because we're going to screw you on your experiance because a select few in low-sec don't want you to make more isk then them in High-sec space.

Because that makes sense. Just like people *****ing about mission runners getting isk when you can freaking "buy" it through GTC's. Double standard anyone?

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Originally by: Mr Pentex

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Why not just leave lvl4 missions as they are and only raise the bounty/loot and so on for nul/lowsec areas?
In that way players who want to grind mission still can make the isj as it is now, and thouse who want the danger and make more money can do that?
You should be able to make good isk just doing missions to fit you mission boats.

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Sounds stupid to lower isk making for highsec and raising it for nul/lowsec just so more player wants go go there.

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Even if all L4 agents were moved out of high sec, people would be running L3's instead.

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Originally by: Marie Trudeau

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Originally by: Lazuran

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Even if all L4 agents were moved out of high sec, people would be running L3's instead.

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This is what I think as well. Most people who run a lot of missions, I think, would be well willing to trade the security for lower rewards -- it tends to be a pretty darned risk averse group.

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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...or me getting some alone time with Milla Jovovich in a hottub?

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Originally by: Lyvv

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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...or me getting some alone time with Milla Jovovich in a hottub?

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There isnt a hot-tub big enough for those long sexy legs of hers.

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Only people who could fix the isk farming is the players.

Organised, ALL of EVE players, one week, hunt and kill and hunt and kill with no war towards eaachother, just the farmers.

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here's an idea. How about anyone in an NPC corp can't fly anything above a battlecruiser?

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Originally by: Lyvv

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EPIC FAIL on your end, muppet.
Since you know soooo much about web contents - perhaps you might want to think about what needs to be in place on the source site in order to display google adds.

Further, you might want to ask yourself what this is:
adurl=http://www.evecookies.com&client=ca-pub-9540479539637071&nm=7

Looks like a referral code to me, but what do I know...I am sure this site is not making 15 cents per image impression....the site is not making 15 cents per viewer hitting that link....there are no such income / revenues to be made...

In case you didnt know. Online stores PAY good money to have google adds display their link first. Google adds in turn pays sites, who use google adds with specific keywords, such as EVE ONLINE ISK SHIPS ITEMS and what not, and pays them for driving traffic their way.

When you see a post, stop for a minute and actually think about what you write.
You do, however, get an "A" for reading, an "A+" for writing and an "F" for judgment.

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Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi

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Originally by: Lyvv

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EPIC FAIL on your end, muppet.
Since you know soooo much about web contents - perhaps you might want to think about what needs to be in place on the source site in order to display google adds.

Further, you might want to ask yourself what this is:
adurl=http://www.evecookies.com&client=ca-pub-9540479539637071&nm=7

Looks like a referral code to me, but what do I know...I am sure this site is not making 15 cents per image impression....the site is not making 15 cents per viewer hitting that link....there are no such income / revenues to be made...

In case you didnt know. Online stores PAY good money to have google adds display their link first. Google adds in turn pays sites, who use google adds with specific keywords, such as EVE ONLINE ISK SHIPS ITEMS and what not, and pays them for driving traffic their way.

When you see a post, stop for a minute and actually think about what you write.
You do, however, get an "A" for reading, an "A+" for writing and an "F" for judgment.

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I work for a web agency doing, amongst other things, Google paid advertising. You are completely confusing the difference between the AdSense and AdWords advertising programs. One of these sites pay to use, one of these Google pays sites to have on their pages.

I feel no desire to educate you further, but suffice to say, you are very, very wrong.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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They will just rent space from 0.0 alliances and rat out there, and then the alliance leadership will get thier single account banned rather than the thousands of ISK farmer accounts.

Just One Example...

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You'd know I suppose.

So... how'd you get out of that 6.5B hole?

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Originally by: Rhatar Khurin

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Chaos incarnate is the prettiest Achura i've ever seen!

also i think i'm going to have a little venture out to Sivala and see if i can remove a few of those silly peeps flying around CNRs.

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"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here's an idea. How about anyone in an NPC corp can't fly anything above a battlecruiser?

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Now THAT is an idea I approve of. How to enforce it, I have no idea (I see a million NPC carebear CNR muggles never docking again) - but still, it's a good idea.

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Originally by: Stevens

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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People just want 0.0 and lowsec to be more profitable, you know that whole risk vs reward thing.

High-sec = low risk = low reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = most reward


Not what have now

High-sec = low risk = most reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = some reward

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Empire should be where most of the resources and rewards are. Lowsec and nullsec are barren wastelands nobody cares to visit, otherwise the empires would have converted it into empire space already

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"There is no lag in Jita, NEVER!" - Iraqi Information Minister

Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 18/08/2008 18:05:32

Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Here's an idea. How about anyone in an NPC corp can't fly anything above a battlecruiser?

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Now THAT is an idea I approve of. How to enforce it, I have no idea (I see a million NPC carebear CNR muggles never docking again) - but still, it's a good idea.

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It wouldn't need to be enforced. It'd be done in a very similar way to how they deny stuff to trial accounts. In terms of work at the CCP end it's akin to the flick of a switch.

Only real difference is you'll probably just see an army of drakes spewing out the mission hubs instead, but at least it would put a severe dent in their operations.

And besides the real issue that disgusts me and brings me to go into ship restrictions in the first place is the long line of Elite Battleships all marching out the level 4 agent stations 1 after another in NPC corps.

It disgusts me because what should be a more beautiful and rarer site that is a faction battleship is instead more common then the free noobships, spewing out every agent station in every corner of the universe to farm and pony up isk for zero risk.

But if that person is in a corp, fair enough, despite the risk being absolutely miniscule as they get a 24 hour warning and a corp mail. At least I can appreciate someone in a corp has to accept certain realities that maybe someone will dec and that they that may have to use a regular battleship for a few days thats about as good as a faction one anyway to mission running and you'll get most of your isk back for if you're caught anyway if you plat insure.

I remember when people actually used to lose ships on level 4's now it's practically unheard of. Especially once you've done them all once before.

When I take a step back and look at the Eve world. I can't help but feel and see so much that seems to be broken.

Only to realise that it's become what people have wanted it to become.

Highsec : MASS L4 GRIND FOR SHINY SHINY.

Lowsec : THAT THING YOU PASS THROUGH ON THE WAY TO NULL.

Nullsec : MIND NUMBING TEDIUM OF 3 HOURS FLEET LOGISTICS BEFORE LAG/INSTAPOP.

Maybe I'm just an ******* who should stop trying to change eve to suit his own vision.

Just that I'd loved to have lived in a universe where all PvP was as tactical and clever as a pvp tourney, where the population was vastly spread out over a wide variety of career choices even in highsec, and if you had a gripe with someone there way a kick their ass for a penalty rather then they could cast invincibility and go hide in an npc corp.

God forbid you might have to move away to another part of space if you've made enemies where you are. Why should a game inconvinience you? etc...

But thats just my insignificant unrealistic view.

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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They will just rent space from 0.0 alliances and rat out there, and then the alliance leadership will get thier single account banned rather than the thousands of ISK farmer accounts.

Just One Example...

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You'd know I suppose.

So... how'd you get out of that 6.5B hole?

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RL Money. Legally. How do you like that?

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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Ok so that would just completely turn anyone away from even wanting to play EVE being told that, oh because you're not in a corp and you're new and don't know jack, we're just going to force you to stay in weak ships and not be able to even begin to be able to increase your income by running missions, because you won't be able to fly them since your ship will eventually be outclassed by the missions that you're running. All because we're going to screw you on your experiance because a select few in low-sec don't want you to make more isk then them in High-sec space.

Because that makes sense. Just like people *****ing about mission runners getting isk when you can freaking "buy" it through GTC's. Double standard anyone?

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Originally by: AleRiperKilt

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Originally by: Stevens

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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People just want 0.0 and lowsec to be more profitable, you know that whole risk vs reward thing.

High-sec = low risk = low reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = most reward


Not what have now

High-sec = low risk = most reward
low-sec = some risk = some reward
null-sec = most risk = some reward

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Empire should be where most of the resources and rewards are. Lowsec and nullsec are barren wastelands nobody cares to visit, otherwise the empires would have converted it into empire space already

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You mean like the RL areas its meant to represent, such as the new world? Yeah it was lawless cos it was worthless

Originally by: Trinara D'Rhenin

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A lot of dreaming here.

If you seriously think CCP is going to penalize people for making the choice to play in an NPC corp, I just don't know what to say. The chances of that happening are zero. This is nothing new, and has been in the game forever. Although you may find it irritating that some players actually like to carebear and run missions and pile up their isk in their CNRs, CCP has always allowed players to "opt out" of being wardecced by remaining in NPC corps. It's designed that way to allow players to manage their risk -- they can never eliminate their risk entirely, of course, but they can avoid wardecs if they want to, and this is by design. Anyone who seriously thinks CCP is going to de facto cap NPC corp players ships, or tax them at 100% or some other nonsense is really quite disconnected from reality. If anything, EVE is becoming more carebear friendly, not less, and a change to a core game design (i.e., the option players have always had to play in an NPC corp if they wished) seems about as likely as eliminating frigates from the game, to be honest.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Did you learn anything from the whole affair?

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Originally by: Black Phlanx

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EVERYONE can run L4's and make a nice chunk of change off of it, they aren't going to nerf it.

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Originally by: Lucy'Lastic

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Why are people that buy Isk still allowed to keep playing? Perma ban anyone caught buying Isk.

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Missions/Ratting:
They run them 23/7 and rat 23/7
Now, if CCP cannot see that someone is online and active 23 hours a day 7 days a week and smell something fishy they need to get a clue.
Obvious account sharing... the human body cannot live without sleep.

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Originally by: Black Leather

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Near as I can figure, out of 100 people playing.

10 are in 0.0

5 are in low sec

30 are mining high sec

45 are running high sec missions

10 are real ISK farmers. (not the Corp macro miners/ice miners, etc.)

So you folks are saying to destroy the game for almost half the player base by pushing them into low sec to stop the 10% that are being naughty.

Ain't gonna happen.

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