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Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 02:47:00 -
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I logged in today to find my CEO and a few others in corp chat having a very vulgar and racist conversation. I didn't say anything and tried to leave, but the system said I had to wait 24 hours. I then asked my CEO if he could boot me. He asked why, and I told him that I was black and I wasn't to big on the black jokes he had been making.
I proceed to move my items to another station and he blows my ship up and pods me. My clone was 8 jumps away so I thought I was safe. I've been playing for about 5 weeks and I didn't know there was an option to locate a player. So I leave the station and he pods me again.
I'm not complaining about the racist jokes, I can deal with that, I just don't want to hear it, my problem is getting out of the corp.
I made a petition and the GM said it was game mechanics and it is legit. That's fine, there's nothing he can do.
So my only choice is to come here and ask you guys if there is anything I can do to leave the corp?
I really appreciate all of your input. Thanks a bunch guys and gals! |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 02:52:00 -
[2]
Nope, you need to wait 24 hours before you can leave the corp, just like the GM said.
PS: what did the GM think of their racist jokes? |
Mal Lokrano
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.20 02:54:00 -
[3]
first off revoke all roles assigned to you, after the 24 hour waiting period you can leave the corp and this will make you not as easy to pod as it will get concord interfereance. But understand if you join another player corp the ceo could war dec that corp and come after you.
Your only other choice is to create anopther character, and start over. However it amazes me thayt a ceo who seems vert racist and is taking his racist ideologies into the game isn't being punished for things you should just keep to yourself. |
Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:02:00 -
[4]
The GM said the following:
Hi,
I am afraid that we cannot intervene in this case. This player is harassing you within legit game mechanics.
Best regards,
GM ********
EvE Online Customer Service Support |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:03:00 -
[5]
Just wait the 24 hours then move on. |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:04:00 -
[6]
If you have logs of the comments/jokes from the chat channels, then I'd submit those and ask for a review of your petition from a senior GM.
I don't know if you'll get your stuff back, but it might prevent this from happening again. This is a form of griefing we as a comunity could well do without. |
Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:10:00 -
[7]
Well my only hesitation about making a new petition about the racist jokes is that I just want to be a pilot, not the black guy who can't handle a joke or two. I don't ever want to be one of those guys. You know what kind of person I'm referring to.
I just want to be somebody in the crowd, not a cause for a crusade. I hope that makes sense. |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:14:00 -
[8]
Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 20/08/2008 03:15:22
Edit: I posted this before I saw your reply.
I thought I'd also post the first few paragraphs of the Rules of Conduct, which are an addendum to the EULA and referenced directly from the EULA with a requirement that you comply with these rules (of which at least 2 & 3 apply to this situation):
EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
As an Eve Online subscriber, you must observe and abide by the rules of conduct and policies outlined below, as well as the End User License Agreement. Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account and you will forfeit all unused access time to the game. No refunds will be given.
1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
2. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)
3. You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies
4. You may not use ôrole-playingö as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:20:00 -
[9]
Subliminal Engineering corporation, eh? Allright. |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:27:00 -
[10]
 Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Well my only hesitation about making a new petition about the racist jokes is that I just want to be a pilot, not the black guy who can't handle a joke or two. I don't ever want to be one of those guys. You know what kind of person I'm referring to.
I just want to be somebody in the crowd, not a cause for a crusade. I hope that makes sense.
No need for a crusade, but there is no need to tolerate racism.
You will need to use your own judgment on what the situation was:
1) Corp members chatting it up with tasteless and tactless jokes, and a CEO who was being a jerk because you decided that you didn't like being in the corp any more.
2) Corp members were deliberately promoting racism and decided to hunt you down when you found out that you where in a corp that was racist against you.
I am guessing that it was more likely the first, and therefore the advice: just wait the 24 hours then move on, such is life.
If you seriously believe that the corp is promoting racism, then open up a petition about it: they don't belong in Eve. |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:28:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Subliminal Engineering corporation, eh? Allright.
Do I sense a disturbance in the force? 
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Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.20 05:27:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Subliminal Engineering corporation, eh? Allright.
Do I sense a disturbance in the force?
You almost have to feel sorry for them... almost. |
Panzerkom
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Posted - 2008.08.20 06:52:00 -
[13]
damn, that sucks
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.20 07:17:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
I logged in today to find my CEO and a few others in corp chat having a very vulgar and racist conversation. I didn't say anything and tried to leave, but the system said I had to wait 24 hours. I then asked my CEO if he could boot me. He asked why, and I told him that I was black and I wasn't to big on the black jokes he had been making.
CEO can't boot you, he has to wait the same 24h.
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I proceed to move my items to another station and he blows my ship up and pods me. My clone was 8 jumps away so I thought I was safe. I've been playing for about 5 weeks and I didn't know there was an option to locate a player. So I leave the station and he pods me again.
CEO and directors (and probably other roles too, not 100% sure) have acces to your exact location (system/station) and ship type flown with a maximum 5 minute delay, at no cost whatsoever. They don't need to use a locator agent, they see that in the corp member listing.
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I'm not complaining about the racist jokes, I can deal with that, I just don't want to hear it, my problem is getting out of the corp.
You have to wait the 24h, no choices there.
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Still, I have to wonder... what kind of jokes were they, downright malicious and openly racist, or something that a non-black guy who isn't being overly sensitive about racism would consider "a bit off, but funny?"
And the even bigger question is, what drove the CEO to attack and pod you after you said that you were black ? The fact that you were black, or the fact that you were offended by his jokes ?
If they were openly racist jokes, and the CEO is podding you because of your skin colour, that's the most pure and unadulterated form of racist hate, and people like him have nothing to offer to EVE, in which case, you SHOULD report him so he gets banned.
But if he wasn't making excessively racist jokes, and you were just being a bit too sensitive about it, and the only reason he's podding you is because he feels offended by the fact you could/would consider those jokes racist, then there's nothing you can do.
There's a very fine line between those, indeed, but a very important one.
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Creche
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.20 07:43:00 -
[15]
A black player named after the Dropkick Murphys? Riiiiight. |
Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 07:44:00 -
[16]
Well you decide if the jokes were crass or not.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3241/2780037619_470eefd371_b.jpg
Somebody told me to check his profile and now he has this message about me and how I'm a corp thief, and how I'm a spy or something.
I didn't make him say this stuff, I didn't even complain. I just wanted to leave. I tend to give humanity the benefit of the doubt for the most part, but he really wigged out when he found out I was black. So I'm gonna have to guess he blew me up cause I was black.
He's dragging my name through the mud for no reason. I just don't understand it. I don't know why people can just hate you when they have never met you before.
Depressing. |
Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 07:48:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Creche
A black player named after the Dropkick Murphys? Riiiiight.
Because I'm supposed to listen to gangster rap and live in Compton right? Heaven forbid I have a different taste in music than my counterparts.
Will you also be surprised if I tell you I have an education, and own a home?
Get out more often.
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Antoine Becosse
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Posted - 2008.08.20 07:58:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Because I'm supposed to listen to gangster rap and live in Compton right? [/quote
Actually, Murph, if you like gangsta rap the statistics say you got to be a young white male! They buy more of that stuff than any other demographic group.
And don't let the knuckleheads drag you down...
AB |
Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.20 08:52:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Madina Malice
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Subliminal Engineering corporation, eh? Allright.
Do I sense a disturbance in the force?
You almost have to feel sorry for them... almost.
lol, true. I almost dec'd them too out of principle (they're kinda a long way away) |
Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.20 08:55:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Mankirks Wife
Originally by: Madina Malice
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Subliminal Engineering corporation, eh? Allright.
Do I sense a disturbance in the force?
You almost have to feel sorry for them... almost.
lol, true. I almost dec'd them too out of principle (they're kinda a long way away)
Somehow i doubt a dec would really matter. From the CEO's employment history, it appears he doesnt mind switching corps, that and he only joined the corp 2 weeks ago. |
Irulan S'Dijana
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.20 09:28:00 -
[21]
Heh..but now with the screenshot we've got names of the people involved. Ahh...war-decs galore. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.20 09:45:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Well you decide if the jokes were crass or not.
Screen Shot
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So I'm gonna have to guess he blew me up cause I was black.
He's dragging my name through the mud for no reason. I just don't understand it. I don't know why people can just hate you when they have never met you before.
The two variations of that joke were not really all that funny and mildly offensive. I would say even a non-racist-sensitive person would have grounds to scowl at it when seen.
If by some odd twist of fate I would have had the misfortune of typing those jokes, my reaction to your reaction would have been something akin to "sorry it offended you man, I was only trying to be funny, but I can see why you'd be miffed".
So, his reaction to your reaction does speak volumes... would I be in your place, I WOULD probably petition him (although I wouldn't expect much of a punishment to be dispensed, probably some temp-gagging or a temp-banning)... not for the podding, but for the jokes and the reaction to your reaction to the jokes, which almost completely prove he's a bit too racist for his own good.
Of course, other explanations might exist, and I'm not discounting completely different scenarios altogether, I'm just saying what's the most likely state of affairs.
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Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.20 10:00:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Edited by: Murphy Dropkick on 20/08/2008 08:06:05
Somebody told me to check his profile and now he has this message about me and how I'm a corp thief, and how I'm a spy or something.
I just looked at his Bio... something that needs to be asked, is there any truth to what he said? Did you take items out of the corp hanger? |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.08.20 11:56:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 20/08/2008 11:58:17
Originally by: Creche
A black player named after the Dropkick Murphys? Riiiiight.
And why not? I guess you are not really a fan of punk or metal. If you were then you would relize that those musical styles have no color boundry. One of the most entertaining punk acts I have ever seen was a black trio from Jacskonville Florida...The were called Whole Wheat Bread
Whole Wheat Bread -
Old Man Sampson
Feel Like Shit
As for the OP, if the guy was just saying bad black jokes, I commend you for not being all up in arms about this, much props for being the better man and just wanting to leave. But, if the guy is actually racist and is podding you because you outed yourself as a black man, then I think you shoudl report him, that is if you still have chat logs.
Slade
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Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 12:50:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Madina Malice
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Edited by: Murphy Dropkick on 20/08/2008 08:06:05
Somebody told me to check his profile and now he has this message about me and how I'm a corp thief, and how I'm a spy or something.
I just looked at his Bio... something that needs to be asked, is there any truth to what he said? Did you take items out of the corp hanger?
Even if I did, the thing to do is pod me, and that's it, not degrade a group of people that had nothing to do with it. Regardless of color. |
Elaine Celeste
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:04:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Originally by: Madina Malice
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Edited by: Murphy Dropkick on 20/08/2008 08:06:05
Somebody told me to check his profile and now he has this message about me and how I'm a corp thief, and how I'm a spy or something.
I just looked at his Bio... something that needs to be asked, is there any truth to what he said? Did you take items out of the corp hanger?
Even if I did, the thing to do is pod me, and that's it, not degrade a group of people that had nothing to do with it. Regardless of color.
So you're admitting you took stuff out of the corp hangar? |
Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:09:00 -
[27]
Elaine Celeste, let me make it perfectly clear. No.
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Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:22:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Originally by: Madina Malice
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Edited by: Murphy Dropkick on 20/08/2008 08:06:05
Somebody told me to check his profile and now he has this message about me and how I'm a corp thief, and how I'm a spy or something.
I just looked at his Bio... something that needs to be asked, is there any truth to what he said? Did you take items out of the corp hanger?
Even if I did, the thing to do is pod me, and that's it, not degrade a group of people that had nothing to do with it. Regardless of color.
The problem is that we are getting 2 different stories here. Him saying you stole stuff and thats why he podded you (this is basicly what his bio said) and you saying he podded you because you told him you were black after he made racial jokes.
It would be a lot easier if he came here to defend himself. |
Oweim
Gallente
Sephray Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:26:00 -
[29]
sorry to hear about it. |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:30:00 -
[30]
I would say that what is likely to have happened is that Murphy may have some modules on his ships that came from the corp hanger and ammo in his hold. Items that typically are used till blown up and the corp does not typically care about you using. This CEO sounds like the type that would list this as corp stealing when in all reality, Murphy probably did not even think about removing modules before the corp boot. Plus he was still in the corp while he got podded, so how could the reason have been corp stealing considering Murphy could not put the stuff back in the hanger? Otherwise, Murohy if you have anything that did belong to the corp and were not ment to be taken on purpose, just contract them back and your hands will be clean.
Either way, from the way that Murphy has presented himself, I would not really take the CEO's word if he did come in here blasting accusations. He has pretty much lost credability in my mind. But I am open for persuasion. Tasteless joke for the loss.
Slade
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Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Subliminal Engineering
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:40:00 -
[31]
I did have a few modules in my hanger that I got from the shared corp hanger, 6 siege launchers, 1 XL shield booster, and 1 shield hardener, but I can't put them back right now because if I head down there to do it I'm gonna get podded.
Sorry about that, I'll set up a contract down there once the 24 hours are over. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:10:00 -
[32]
If you, or any player, believe they are being subject to racist, sexist or religious abuse then you should file a harrassment petition and let the GM's investigate.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:11:00 -
[33]
I would book mark this thread Murphy, just in case this situation ever comes back to bite you in your arse. That way youhave some ground to back up your story.
Slade
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:12:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
I did have a few modules in my hanger that I got from the shared corp hanger, 6 siege launchers, 1 XL shield booster, and 1 shield hardener, but I can't put them back right now because if I head down there to do it I'm gonna get podded.
Sorry about that, I'll set up a contract down there once the 24 hours are over.
Having a few modules that were given to you isn't corp theft. Corp theft is clearing the corp hanger or taking unreasonable amounts of stuff and leaving, or even taking stuff knowing you're about to leave. If stuff is "free to members" and you took a reasonable amount while a member, with the intention of using it legitimately, I'd say you're entitled to keep it.
Then again, you might consider these items tainted and returning them will make you feel better. It will also remove any perceived justification for calling you a thief.
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Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:17:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
I did have a few modules in my hanger that I got from the shared corp hanger, 6 siege launchers, 1 XL shield booster, and 1 shield hardener, but I can't put them back right now because if I head down there to do it I'm gonna get podded.
Sorry about that, I'll set up a contract down there once the 24 hours are over.
Here is his bio:
"Murphy Dropkick - This man is a conartist and a scammer... this is what happend to him... Corpse
Let me tell you about muph, he joins the corp thinking hes got this corp thievery thing down... i give him access to a shared corps hanger.. probably about 10m of stuff... haha.. pennies... this moron loses his raven and drake in a mission before he steals the stuff. after stealing he thretnes me... i stalk him down and pod kill him two times :p heres corpse #2 Corpse This guy is funny :p next i decide to pop in to recruitment channel before i log... and there he is on an alt Ann Bonne telling everyone in recruitment im his husband and that i dont shower... lol... im hope this guy takes his meds in rl"
With the whole part where he said you threatened him, makes it seem like hes making the story up... but the problem is since none of us acualy were there, all we have is what you both said to go by. |
F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:28:00 -
[36]
Petition them all and let the GM sort it out.
From reading your CEO's bio, I'd say he's just the sort to make the jokes that offended you. You're better off without them, but you know this already. But we're all better off without them, as his bio demonstrates. So you should petition and hope for a ban.
I really think that there should be an option to petition to be removed from a corp with such racist proclivities.
And anyone who thinks that Black people are only interested in rap should probably look up something called the Blues. It's the basis for all forms of Rock music, from crap pop bands to the most hardcore metal ones you can find. |
Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:30:00 -
[37]
Originally by: F'nog
And anyone who thinks that Black people are only interested in rap should probably look up something called the Blues. It's the basis for all forms of Rock music, from crap pop bands to the most hardcore metal ones you can find.
You know its down right blasphemy to compare blues to the crap pop of today. |
Lysianna
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:19:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Lysianna on 20/08/2008 15:21:21
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Mendolus
Gallente
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.20 16:36:00 -
[39]
Anyone having been caught, reported, or witnessed making racist, sexist, or derogatory jokes in my corporation would be the one's getting podded, and not the other way around.
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The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 01:40:00 -
[40]
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 01:42:50
First off, I would like to apologize on behalf of the corporation and myself. In no way did we mean any harm or racism in the jokes and we sincerely apologize. The jokes were very harmful but were not intended to be more then a harmless joke.
Second I have taken measures to ensure it will not be repeated, I have informed all Corp-members and friends that the jokes should not be taken for granted and we should watch what we say in the eve community.
Thirdly, I would like to set the record strait on why I pod killed "Murphy Dropkick" As a member of our corp. he had access to the public hanger. He deliberately stole all items from the hanger and put them into his personal hanger. He also engaged in harassment via blackmail asking for a 400 million isk deposit to his account with a 5 minute time limit otherwise he would post on the forums screenshot of the chat, that you can now see. He also threatened that the Corp. would be "wardecd". I declined the offer, as it was blackmail.
These are screen shots of "Murphy Dropkicks" Hanger
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Edit: They can also be viewed through here
SS #1 - http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235941.jpg
SS #2 -http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235945.jpg
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.21 01:52:00 -
[41]
I'm starting to think that neither party is going to come out of this looking good.
Racist jokes, blackmail, theft, intrigue, murder, slander and lies, who needs TV soaps.
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Gen Kumon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:22:00 -
[42]
Originally by: The Merc
Stuff he said in his post.
Yeah...that's not proof. I have about three hangers that look very much like that myself, up to and including the massive number of drones and other common modules. There's little to no proof that any of that actually belonged to you at any time.
If you really wanted proof of your claims, you would have supplied screenshots of his supposed blackmail. As it is, the shots you posted prove that...he has large amounts of some modules that aren't very expensive. Yes, they could be stolen, or they could be bought. Hell, half of that stuff could just be mission loot.
That said, consdering Murphy's age, and the number of corps he's been in, it's quite possible he *is* a thief. If he is...well, then the entire community wins. A thief has been exposed, as has a racist. You deserved what you got, and if Murphy is lying, he also deserves what he'll get. Your are a failure at life, Merc, and if Murphy is a lying scumbag...well, those are a dime a dozen anyway. He still did a service to the community. |
LORDPr0ph3t
Caldari
Death Monkey's With Knives
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:26:00 -
[43]
Murphy Dropkick is a fin scammer and will be blasted on site |
The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:31:00 -
[44]
I dont see how a racist joke can make me a racist myself, you know you yourself has heard them or serotyped once in your lifetime and so has everyone else, it is a human element. I can also prove the blackmail from chat logs, and also prove the itmes were purchased by me with wallet logs.
Originally by: Gen Kumon
Edited by: Gen Kumon on 21/08/2008 02:28:23
Edited by: Gen Kumon on 21/08/2008 02:27:46
Originally by: The Merc
Stuff he said in his post.
Yeah...that's not proof. I have about three hangers that look very much like that myself, up to and including the massive number of drones and other common modules. There's little to no proof that any of that actually belonged to you at any time.
If you really wanted proof of your claims, you would have supplied screen shots of his supposed blackmail. As it is, the shots you posted prove that...he has large amounts of some modules that aren't very expensive. Yes, they could be stolen, or they could be bought. Hell, half of that stuff could just be mission loot.
That said, considering Murphy's age, and the number of corps he's been in, it's quite possible he *is* a thief. If he is...well, then the entire community wins. A thief has been exposed, as has a racist. You deserved what you got, and if Murphy is lying, he also deserves what he'll get. You are a failure at life, Merc, and if Murphy is a lying scumbag...well, those are a dime a dozen anyway. He still did a service to the community before getting outed by his own stupidity.
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Heravik
Minmatar
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:35:00 -
[45]
I know the merc some what, while he has tried to gank my ashimmu multiple times (i hate you for that btw) this game is ment to be taken as RP. Thus said his racest comments should have never come into existance, and did you ever ask him to stop? or did you just take crap and try to leave as fast as you could? Theres a right way and a wrong way to hand racism, stealing shit only supports the stereo types.
What do you say when you see your T.V. floating in the middle of the night?
Drop it ******! |
Gen Kumon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:36:00 -
[46]
Chat-logs are easy to fake, you should have taken screenshots at the time. And no, I personally don't go around making racist jokes for the hell of it. That shit's not funny in this day and age, and you should know it as well as anyone else. You brought whatever bad publicity you're going to get about this on yourself.
Like I said, it's quite possible that Murphy is a thief, I'm not denying the possibility. But that doesn't change the fact that you were making racist comments, and that's simply not ok. You're going to have to live with your own actions, the same way Murphy will have to live with his if you can actually supply reliable proof of what you say he did. |
Heravik
Minmatar
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:46:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Gen Kumon
You're going to have to live with your own actions, the same way Murphy will have to live with his if you can actually supply reliable proof of what you say he did.
What kinda thief only has one account? o.O |
5yndr0m3
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:51:00 -
[48]
I was in our chat yesturday when the stuff was taken out of the hanger. merc asked many questions about what to do about corporate theifs. the best answer is, POD THEM. Murphy, I hope i run across you somewhere in one of the many solar systems in eve. I will also pod you, over and over again.
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Gen Kumon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:59:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Heravik
Originally by: Gen Kumon
You're going to have to live with your own actions, the same way Murphy will have to live with his if you can actually supply reliable proof of what you say he did.
What kinda thief only has one account? o.O
The kind that steals mods worth about the same amount you could earn in a single day running level 4 missions, I'd assume.
Seriously, though, if he did steal the stuff, he's one crappy thief. He could easily have waited until he could steal more...no reason he couldn't have just saved the blackmail material. |
The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:02:00 -
[50]
he knew that i dont give out roles beyond Shared hanger, he had no reason to wait. On top of that the morning of, he had lost a raven and a drake in a mission. Alot of people act on impulse
Originally by: Gen Kumon
Originally by: Heravik
Originally by: Gen Kumon
You're going to have to live with your own actions, the same way Murphy will have to live with his if you can actually supply reliable proof of what you say he did.
What kinda thief only has one account? o.O
The kind that steals mods worth about the same amount you could earn in a single day running level 4 missions, I'd assume.
Seriously, though, if he did steal the stuff, he's one crappy thief. He could easily have waited until he could steal more...no reason he couldn't have just saved the blackmail material.
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Gen Kumon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:15:00 -
[51]
Meh. I don't really care much, honestly. If he did steal it, his alt is outed. You've been outed for what you did...as I said, the community as a whole wins. I'm just enjoying the wonderful sense of schadenfreude wafting from this thread. |
Grace Arris
Caldari
In Service of The Sword
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:28:00 -
[52]
Greetings,
There are days that I wonder who is more "racist" the person who makes a racist joke or the person who assumes that whatever the first person said must be the truth, was not taken out of context or did not involve any other prior or post actions. Wait, that is mob mentality is it not? I should be careful about suggesting that, after all they used to burn women if someone simply suggested that they were a witch.
Now I was not there when and where it happened, I am not even a member of the corporation so I can only speak of what I have noticed about people that I know and how I feel about such things. Truth is a double edged sword, there are two sides to it and then there is the truth actual... and all of them are sharp.
I have known Merc for a while now and grand you he may be hot headed at times and rush but he is without a doubt a good person (at least in my books). Being a female (not interested in proving this so take it or leave it) I have seen Merc make few comments that have slight offended me from time to time before and when I asked him to try and use a different language around me he had complied almost instantly. That speaks a lot for his character and intentions.
Moving on, did you know that "high five" or "thumb up" is considered very offensive in certain countries on this planet of ours? Amazing is it not? The people in there would probably call you racist too if you did that hand action. Then your choice are to run to next available forum and complain about them, or take time and learn customs, apologize for your mistake and now here is the important word "communicate" your attitudes, problems, grievances and the like, you are not wasting your time, you are making a better world for all of us to live in.
Murphy Dropkick, some suggestions I have for you for the future.
1. Do not pretend to be someone else.
2. Do not query GMs decision on forums, you see, some people are smarter than a current political regime in certain countries (was that an inappropriate joke too?) and can easily figure out that you just want to cause trouble because GMs ruling cannot be overruled by players so the only reason you are here is to gather some attention on conversation you only posted in part.
3. If you have a problem with customer service offered by EVE stuff submit a complain where it will be heard.
4. Include WHOLE conversation on the matter, not the part you want to bring some attention to, one that you took out of context.
5. Communicate with people in friendly and open manner to reach acceptable outcome.
6. Most of all, try to be the change in this world that you want to see.
And for the record, while I am English speaking, it is my second language and my cultural upbringing is different to yours and I could list hundreds of conversations where and when someone have slighted me, my country of origin or my believes... quite possibly by accident (since they knew little about me and the person that I am). Till this day the number of forum posts where I complain about this remains at zero and I am good, understanding friends with many of those people.
Now I have no doubt that both you and Merc can benefit from the above, hey even I know that going through the list of suggestions that I have just listed here have prepared me better for a day ahead (its morning where I live). So with those words Murphy Dropkick, I wish you luck in the world of Eve and remind you that people are podded daily for no reason at all (apart from the fact that they were sight seeing 0.4 or lower tourist attractions).
Kind Regards
Grace Arris |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:29:00 -
[53]
Originally by: 5yndr0m3
I was in our chat yesturday when the stuff was taken out of the hanger. merc asked many questions about what to do about corporate theifs. the best answer is, POD THEM. Murphy, I hope i run across you somewhere in one of the many solar systems in eve. I will also pod you, over and over again.
I have no idea how much of the truth is being told by either of the two parties.
But I can say that earlier this evening, Merc asked me what sort of response he should make to the accuations placed against him and his corp.
I suggested that he be honest and try to remain profressional.
As best as I can tell, he seems to be trying to do just that.
So if 5yndr0m3 gave him the advice to pod a corp theif, it would not suprise me that Merc would have followed that advice, and rightfully so.
Real racism has no place in Eve, but I don't think that anyone is seriously claiming that is the root of the problem here. |
5yndr0m3
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:39:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: 5yndr0m3
I was in our chat yesturday when the stuff was taken out of the hanger. merc asked many questions about what to do about corporate theifs. the best answer is, POD THEM. Murphy, I hope i run across you somewhere in one of the many solar systems in eve. I will also pod you, over and over again.
I have no idea how much of the truth is being told by either of the two parties.
But I can say that earlier this evening, Merc asked me what sort of response he should make to the accuations placed against him and his corp.
I suggested that he be honest and try to remain profressional.
As best as I can tell, he seems to be trying to do just that.
So if 5yndr0m3 gave him the advice to pod a corp theif, it would not suprise me that Merc would have followed that advice, and rightfully so.
Real racism has no place in Eve, but I don't think that anyone is seriously claiming that is the root of the problem here.
As far as the chat that went on between the two, I was unaware. I was merely giving a suggestion to a person that has helped me out in this game. I know if someone stole stuff out of our hanger thats what i would do. pod the person.
now, i have to go, i am being chased in low-sec.
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Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:41:00 -
[55]
This is so fraking stupid. I come here asking for help on how I can get out of a corp so I don't get podded, and leave here a thief, cheat, and a liar.
I wouldn't risk my name for 10 mil credits, and you will see I will continue to play this character, not just delete him and start over.
Regarding my hanger, you see that cargo container that says "salvage"? Yup, it's full. Guess where the rest of the stuff I looted went? Stuff I didn't get from looting I purchased in Jita for resale in Oisio. Huge profits to be made, especially on cruise missiles and drones. Don't believe me? Go check. Oh yes, I make my money by trading, not stealing 10 mil of a pittance in modules.
Here is proof that I have been selling missiles, drones, shuttles, etc way before any of this started.
Wallet 1
Wallet 2
Wallet 3
I'm amazed that I have to defend myself. I'm sick to my stomach that somebody that has never met me in real life could hate me so much.
I said it before and I will say it again, the issue is not the racism. As unsavory as it is, I don't let it get me down. The issue is you holding me hostage in your corp so you could blow my ship up and pod me, for whatever reason you decided was justified.
The Merc, I don't care if you don't want to hear it, but I forgive you for the jokes you made. Please move on and enjoy life. It's too short and precious to obsess over some silly game. All I wanted was advice on how to get out of the corp.
The backlash from all this was not desired on my part, but people grow tired of racism and decided to take up the cause on their own. I'm sorry I don't have control over people's hearts, and desire for justice.
If you want to make things right, please be kind to other people in and out of the game, and I promise good things will come to you. Again, I forgive you.
Now please stop camping the station so I can move my ships out of the hanger without getting blown up.
Thanks!
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:51:00 -
[56]
Originally by: 5yndr0m3
As far as the chat that went on between the two, I was unaware. I was merely giving a suggestion to a person that has helped me out in this game. I know if someone stole stuff out of our hanger thats what i would do. pod the person.
I wasn't aware of our conversation either until I received a random invite while I was in the middle of Worlds Collide.
I have no idea who the Merc is, but he seemed like a reasonable sort of person who follows the advice of those he asks.
I am not questioning the validity of your advice, although in our conversation, I did suggest that he not bother to pod Murphy's alt.
It was not because he didn't deserve it, but rather that I didn't think it was worth the effort.
In the heat of the moment, I would expect that I would have podded him too. Given time to cool down, I don't know if I would have bothered. But that is just me.
The Merc can do what he wants.
The purpose of my previous post was to point out, that in my one and only converstaion with the Merc, he gave me the impression of being the sort of person who would follow advice, and that is consistant with your account of him following your advice. Take my comments as meaning nothing more than that, as I really don't know him any better than the next person who sends me a random convo invite. |
Grace Arris
Caldari
In Service of The Sword
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:53:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Heravik
I know the merc some what, while he has tried to gank my ashimmu multiple times (i hate you for that btw) this game is ment to be taken as RP. Thus said his racest comments should have never come into existance, and did you ever ask him to stop? or did you just take crap and try to leave as fast as you could? Theres a right way and a wrong way to hand racism, stealing shit only supports the stereo types.
What do you say when you see your T.V. floating in the middle of the night?
Drop it ******!
Greetings,
The funniest part here is that if you click "quote" option to your post it will actually list the "*****" word without the cover.
The serious part here is that I would say "Please put it down gently..." I do not want my TV dropped, I worked too hard for it.
Finally, I take my hat of for anyone who supports RP in Eve :) *salute*
Kind Regards
Grace Arris |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.21 03:57:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Matalino on 21/08/2008 04:03:14
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Stuff
There isn't anything that either of you need to defend.
Your little spat isn't significant.
People will believe which ever one of you they want to believe, as there is no way for either of you to "prove" your claims.
If you seriously believe that you were being harrassed because of your race, then petition it is as Navigator said.
Otherwise, it sounds like just another unfriendly departure from a corp, with no real significance to anyone else.
The more you pitch mud at the other person the stupider you look. Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
This is so fraking stupid. I come here asking for help on how I can gThe issue is you holding me hostage in your corp so you could blow my ship up and pod me, for whatever reason you decided was justified.
That comment just shows that you are ignorant of how the game works.
There is no way you could have gotten out of that corp any faster than 24 hours.
You weren't and aren't being held hostage.
Your death was the result of leaving the corp on unfriendly terms, regardless of which story you believe. If you leave a corp on unfriendly terms, regardless of why that is, you are fair game for those 24 hours. Take it with some dignaty, instead of whining. |
The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 04:03:00 -
[59]
what i dont understand is why your trying to make me look bad... first off its a video game.. unless your an alt of someone i really ****ed of in the passed i dont understand... i really dont... you left the corp over an hour ago, you pesonaly removed your own roles ONLY today. Im not going to fight this. Second it is amazing how you blank out your own Isk ballence.. i dont see what that has to do with anything no reason to hide, am i right? And the wallet transfers? That doesnt show anything to do with what in your corp hanger... want to see my wallet? want my full API that has those moduals bought at the exact quianity in my wallet!! you play yourself as a noob to steal... ok i understand that.. alot of corp thieves do that... but covering yourself up on a forum post... getting me banned ok.. im not in the game anymore.. but wardecd? i dont see how that benifits you in anyway, on top of that the joke wasnt even directed you way, and we asked if it offended anyone in the chat before we said them, and you were personaly offended after the converstation was already over? what about the other jokes? why arent those racist jokes being posted? fine take me down with you, idc i really dont... **according to half your posts it seems like its about me podding you not about the racism anymore** and how do you know im not african american? in that case did i offend myself? I dont get what your trying to do here man...
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
This is so fraking stupid. I come here asking for help on how I can get out of a corp so I don't get podded, and leave here a thief, cheat, and a liar.
I wouldn't risk my name for 10 mil credits, and you will see I will continue to play this character, not just delete him and start over.
Regarding my hanger, you see that cargo container that says "salvage"? Yup, it's full. Guess where the rest of the stuff I looted went? Stuff I didn't get from looting I purchased in Jita for resale in Oisio. Huge profits to be made, especially on cruise missiles and drones. Don't believe me? Go check. Oh yes, I make my money by trading, not stealing 10 mil of a pittance in modules.
Here is proof that I have been selling missiles, drones, shuttles, etc way before any of this started.
Wallet 1
Wallet 2
Wallet 3
I'm amazed that I have to defend myself. I'm sick to my stomach that somebody that has never met me in real life could hate me so much.
I said it before and I will say it again, the issue is not the racism. As unsavory as it is, I don't let it get me down. The issue is you holding me hostage in your corp so you could blow my ship up and pod me, for whatever reason you decided was justified.
The Merc, I don't care if you don't want to hear it, but I forgive you for the jokes you made. Please move on and enjoy life. It's too short and precious to obsess over some silly game. All I wanted was advice on how to get out of the corp.
The backlash from all this was not desired on my part, but people grow tired of racism and decided to take up the cause on their own. I'm sorry I don't have control over people's hearts, and desire for justice.
If you want to make things right, please be kind to other people in and out of the game, and I promise good things will come to you. Again, I forgive you.
Now please stop camping the station so I can move my ships out of the hanger without getting blown up.
Thanks!
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Gen Kumon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 04:12:00 -
[60]
Yeah...if you have all this proof, Merc, post some of it. Right now the only person providing any real proof is Murphy. Like I said, I wasn't there, I don't know the truth, and I don't really care on a personal level. I'm just entertaining myself while moving some ships long distance.
Seriously, though, suspicious employment history aside, there's very little proving that Murphy is the thief you say he is, while he's providing a decently sized amount of evidence defending himself.
Basically, prove your accusations if you want people to actually side with you. |
Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 04:16:00 -
[61]
You said it before you went to the wedding and I told you to lock the hanger so none of the new people could come in and clean it out.
You said that it was only 10 million worth of stuff and that it didn't really matter. Remember? Of course not.
Honestly, regardless of who is in the right we are just making ourselves look stupid. I'm out of the corp now, and as far as I'm concerned that was the main issue. |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.21 04:19:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Matalino
The more you pitch mud at the other person the stupider you look.
^^True, sadly now I wouldn't deal with either party.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.21 04:22:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Gen Kumon
Seriously, though, suspicious employment history aside, there's very little proving that Murphy is the thief you say he is, while he's providing a decently sized amount of evidence defending himself.
Basically, prove your accusations if you want people to actually side with you.
So what if Merc is lying about Murphy being a corp theif, does it really matter?
Making a public spat about comments made in private corp chat is reason enough to pod someone in most corps.
There is little reason for anyone not involved with this dispute to take a side.
New User Q&A is not the place to battle out forum warfare over who's epeen is the largest.
Take it to Crime and Punishment if you want to keep this going. |
The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 04:31:00 -
[64]
you want it? here it is
ECM & Ewar Mods -Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
ECM Drones - Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
ECM #2 -Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Shuttle -Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Signal Amp - Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
You said it before you went to the wedding and I told you to lock the hanger so none of the new people could come in and clean it out.
You said that it was only 10 million worth of stuff and that it didn't really matter. Remember? Of course not.
Honestly, regardless of who is in the right we are just making ourselves look stupid. I'm out of the corp now, and as far as I'm concerned that was the main issue.
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Panzerkom
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.21 05:03:00 -
[65]
did i mention i like drama? |
Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.21 05:34:00 -
[66]
Not really sure why... but im leaning more towards the side of The Merc, though i doubt id work with either at this point. |
Green Phantom
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.21 06:25:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Green Phantom on 21/08/2008 06:34:48
Originally by: The Merc
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 01:42:50
First off, I would like to apologize on behalf of the corporation and myself. In no way did we mean any harm or racism in the jokes and we sincerely apologize. The jokes were very harmful but were not intended to be more then a harmless joke.
Second I have taken measures to ensure it will not be repeated, I have informed all Corp-members and friends that the jokes should not be taken for granted and we should watch what we say in the eve community.
Thirdly, I would like to set the record strait on why I pod killed "Murphy Dropkick" As a member of our corp. he had access to the public hanger. He deliberately stole all items from the hanger and put them into his personal hanger. He also engaged in harassment via blackmail asking for a 400 million isk deposit to his account with a 5 minute time limit otherwise he would post on the forums screenshot of the chat, that you can now see. He also threatened that the Corp. would be "wardecd". I declined the offer, as it was blackmail.
These are screen shots of "Murphy Dropkicks" Hanger
Hangar 1
Hangar 2
Edit: They can also be viewed through here
SS #1 - http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235941.jpg
SS #2 -http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235945.jpg
You were the one who made the jokes, you have little ground to stand on, the jokes you told were in general in very poor taste.
There is no such thing as a harmless racial joke, please don't claim otherwise. Besides you even said they were harmful, and by the way you speak, you sound like its a normal thing.
I don't even get what the point of the pictures you posted. |
The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 07:10:00 -
[68]
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 07:12:32
-i would like to say that annyong could have been offended by the joke, and to be honest it was a very bad joke with less harm then most racial jokes go. This was blown way out of the water and shoulnt be anyones problem but Murph's and mine.
i also am fond of the fact that anyone Defending Murphy happens to be in an NPC corp... all of them.. did anyone notice? im not assuming anything :P cause you know what that does
Originally by: Green Phantom
Edited by: Green Phantom on 21/08/2008 06:34:48
Originally by: The Merc
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 01:42:50
First off, I would like to apologize on behalf of the corporation and myself. In no way did we mean any harm or racism in the jokes and we sincerely apologize. The jokes were very harmful but were not intended to be more then a harmless joke.
Second I have taken measures to ensure it will not be repeated, I have informed all Corp-members and friends that the jokes should not be taken for granted and we should watch what we say in the eve community.
Thirdly, I would like to set the record strait on why I pod killed "Murphy Dropkick" As a member of our corp. he had access to the public hanger. He deliberately stole all items from the hanger and put them into his personal hanger. He also engaged in harassment via blackmail asking for a 400 million isk deposit to his account with a 5 minute time limit otherwise he would post on the forums screenshot of the chat, that you can now see. He also threatened that the Corp. would be "wardecd". I declined the offer, as it was blackmail.
These are screen shots of "Murphy Dropkicks" Hanger
Hangar 1
Hangar 2
Edit: They can also be viewed through here
SS #1 - http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235941.jpg
SS #2 -http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235945.jpg
You were the one who made the jokes, you have little ground to stand on, the jokes you told were in general in very poor taste.
There is no such thing as a harmless racial joke, please don't claim otherwise. Besides you even said they were harmful, and by the way you speak, you sound like its a normal thing.
I don't even get what the point of the pictures you posted.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2008.08.21 08:14:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Madina Malice
Not really sure why... but im leaning more towards the side of The Merc
Me too. You know why? The shuttles. Even before the Merc posted the wallet logs showing the purchase of exactly the same number of shuttles, it was very suspicious. Yes, Murphy's hangar had a lot of stuff in that could have been from trading and/or mission loot. But what player has a stack of dozens of shuttles in their hangar? They don't drop from missions, they aren't suitable for trading, you would never need to stockpile more than a few for personal use - but they are exactly the kind of thing you'd find in a shared access corp hangar.
But as Matalino says - it doesn't actually matter who "wins" as this is a private matter. |
Gen Kumon
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 09:37:00 -
[70]
Originally by: The Merc
i also am fond of the fact that anyone Defending Murphy happens to be in an NPC corp... all of them.. did anyone notice? im not assuming anything :P cause you know what that does
If you're trying to say we (or at least I) are alts, I'm sad to say that I am not. I'm only in an NPC corp because I needed to grind ISK to buy GTCs, and my corp at the time was doing the empire wardec thing, and I haven't gotten around to either rejoining a real corp, or even moving over to my alt corp again...mostly because I'm lazy. A quick look at my employment history will show you that I am, in fact, a main and not someone's alt.
Second, thank you for finally posting some sort of proof. Things would have gone quicker if you had posted all your images along with your original accusations rather than stringing things out. It would appear that both sides in your little spat lose here, as expected. You need to think before you make racial jokes like that, Merc, and it looks like Murphy will need to make a new alt to do his stealing. |
Zombiefly
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2008.08.21 13:36:00 -
[71]
Quote:
You were the one who made the jokes, you have little ground to stand on, the jokes you told were in general in very poor taste.
There is no such thing as a harmless racial joke, please don't claim otherwise. Besides you even said they were harmful, and by the way you speak, you sound like its a normal thing.
I don't even get what the point of the pictures you posted.
What happened to this not being about race?
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Eschiava Q
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Posted - 2008.08.21 13:43:00 -
[72]
The Merc posts Murph's hanger, and later wallet logs proving he bought similar items.
Murph posts wallet logs that seem to show he deals in items similar to some of those found in his hanger.
As much as Merc would like to implicate Murph in corp theft, I don't see any proof that what he bought ended up in the corp hanger, or that Murph later removed those same items into his own hanger.
Sure, it's possible that Murph is a thief and it's possible he's not as well. Out of general prudence, I'd be wary hiring him for "my" corp, if I had one.
And for the record: I am not a racist, as a result I do not tell racist jokes, ever! I also refuse to participate in any sort of racist talk with others. I think it is quite valid to question whether a person who does participate in those acivities is indeed racist himself.
I can appreciate Merc's apology, it is my hope that it was sincere. time will tell, I suppose. |
Ralara
Caldari
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.08.21 14:30:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Well my only hesitation about making a new petition about the racist jokes is that I just want to be a pilot, not the black guy who can't handle a joke or two. I don't ever want to be one of those guys. You know what kind of person I'm referring to.
I just want to be somebody in the crowd, not a cause for a crusade. I hope that makes sense.
But you are one of those people. You're making a big fuss about it over the net. You say it doesn't offend you yet you're leaving the corp - evidently it does offend you to the point that you can't handle the jokes.
*shrug*
Wait the 24 hours. If you're that ****ed off, petition their language. If you don't want to petition them, then don't. |
Arkeladin
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Posted - 2008.08.21 15:55:00 -
[74]
Ye Ghods, foruym drama FTL here.
Now, if you Murphy AND the corp you left are done trying to smear each other, LET IT DROP.
Amazing how people who are putatively adults can act like schoolyard children at time.
Murphy - Get your stuff and leave the staton, for Chrissakes. If they're camping you, create a courier contract and have someone move it for you!
His old corp: Let it go, let him go - You've alredy gotten your blood i the ships you blew out from unde4r him. Hell,if you popped a fully-outfitted cruiser out from under him you made your 10 mil back, much less if you popped a BC...
Sheeesh, grow up and act adult, at least.
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Lysianna
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.21 16:17:00 -
[75]
Well, there's one thing that's certain is... a 5 week noob would not fly around with 64 shuttles and 80 ECM drones lol.
Yesterday I was on Murph's side but after the screenshots, I'm leaning on Mercs side.
Interesting case!
So what do we do? Once we declare this case close, we hunt down the guilty?
And as for the NPC corp, well that's because I'm in between two corps. I left one so I could join another... :) |
Torfin Sigsonn
Gallente
Ghost Recon Squad
Trinova
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Posted - 2008.08.21 16:43:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Madina Malice
But what player has a stack of dozens of shuttles in their hangar? They don't drop from missions, they aren't suitable for trading, you would never need to stockpile more than a few for personal use -.
One thing not related to the main part of this thread.
- I am one player that has a number of shuttles in his main hanger. They are suitable for production and trade 100%+ profits to be made even buying them and selling on. Going by the buy orders on the market lots of pilots are stockpiling them and trading them.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 16:47:00 -
[77]
Uhm, iam a 5 week noob too and have over 50 shuttles in my hangar. |
Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2008.08.21 16:56:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Yelan Zhou
Uhm, iam a 5 week noob too and have over 50 shuttles in my hangar.
Why? Just curious as I can't see any legimate reason why someone would do this... |
charming wanderer
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Posted - 2008.08.21 17:15:00 -
[79]
I don't care about this whole drama thing, but I do want to point out that anyone in the corp with access to that hangar could have simply selected everything, right clicked, and delivered it to Murphys hangar. Just because the items are in his hangar does not mean he put them there
Just had to point that out. |
Yelan Zhou
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 17:20:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Yelan Zhou on 21/08/2008 17:20:27
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Yelan Zhou
Uhm, iam a 5 week noob too and have over 50 shuttles in my hangar.
Why? Just curious as I can't see any legimate reason why someone would do this...
I thought producing them would be a good idea. /facepalm. I needed the sell slot for different stuff.
Now they are siting in my hangar. |
Torfin Sigsonn
Gallente
Ghost Recon Squad
Trinova
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Posted - 2008.08.21 18:15:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Why? Just curious as I can't see any legimate reason why someone would do this...
Making them to sell - you can make them for less than 8000ISK and sell them for 20000ISK. NPC do not make them anymore - only players produce them therefore people will have a good few in their hangers |
maddmaxx III
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Posted - 2008.08.21 18:53:00 -
[82]
Edited by: maddmaxx III on 21/08/2008 18:55:38
Edited by: maddmaxx III on 21/08/2008 18:55:03
wow, man am i glad I read this post, I almost app'd to this corp lol, ya they violated the elua, and should have there accounts banned for racist crap like that,
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2008.08.21 19:29:00 -
[83]
Edited by: WhitePhantom on 21/08/2008 19:33:21
Originally by: The Merc
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 07:12:32
-i would like to say that annyong could have been offended by the joke, and to be honest it was a very bad joke with less harm then most racial jokes go. This was blown way out of the water and shoulnt be anyones problem but Murph's and mine.
i also am fond of the fact that anyone Defending Murphy happens to be in an NPC corp... all of them.. did anyone notice? im not assuming anything :P cause you know what that does
Originally by: Green Phantom
Edited by: Green Phantom on 21/08/2008 06:34:48
Originally by: The Merc
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 01:42:50
First off, I would like to apologize on behalf of the corporation and myself. In no way did we mean any harm or racism in the jokes and we sincerely apologize. The jokes were very harmful but were not intended to be more then a harmless joke.
Second I have taken measures to ensure it will not be repeated, I have informed all Corp-members and friends that the jokes should not be taken for granted and we should watch what we say in the eve community.
Thirdly, I would like to set the record strait on why I pod killed "Murphy Dropkick" As a member of our corp. he had access to the public hanger. He deliberately stole all items from the hanger and put them into his personal hanger. He also engaged in harassment via blackmail asking for a 400 million isk deposit to his account with a 5 minute time limit otherwise he would post on the forums screenshot of the chat, that you can now see. He also threatened that the Corp. would be "wardecd". I declined the offer, as it was blackmail.
These are screen shots of "Murphy Dropkicks" Hanger
Hangar 1
Hangar 2
Edit: They can also be viewed through here
SS #1 - http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235941.jpg
SS #2 -http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/themerc78/The%20Murphy%20Case/20080820235945.jpg
You were the one who made the jokes, you have little ground to stand on, the jokes you told were in general in very poor taste.
There is no such thing as a harmless racial joke, please don't claim otherwise. Besides you even said they were harmful, and by the way you speak, you sound like its a normal thing.
I don't even get what the point of the pictures you posted.
What the heck does being in a start corperation have to do with you making raciest jokes?
The fact your trying to defend yourself says makes it very clear you have not accepted that fact you are indeed a raciest. The sooner you can accept that and NOT defend your actions the sooner you will become a better person.
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.21 20:47:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Arvald on 21/08/2008 21:04:13
well first im fairly sure that since it was in a private moderated channel there is nothing that can be done about it AND, you did steal from his corp sooo you kinda deserved it. and also racisim does not hurt anyone and if you get all butt hurt over a joke it is your own fault, there is not one person on the planet earth that has ether laughed at or made a racist joke
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.08.21 20:55:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/08/2008 20:55:37
Originally by: The Merc
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 07:12:32
-i would like to say that annyong could have been offended by the joke, and to be honest it was a very bad joke with less harm then most racial jokes go. This was blown way out of the water and shoulnt be anyones problem but Murph's and mine.
i also am fond of the fact that anyone Defending Murphy happens to be in an NPC corp... all of them.. did anyone notice? im not assuming anything :P cause you know what that does
I am not in a NPC corp  , but I retract all support or dissent in this thread.
I know that Murphy said it is not about the racial jokes. But there is a problem with people saying racial jokes in completely anonymous format. There is a total lack of accountability. I have recently seen a white guy in a 95% black audiance tell some light race based jokes and he had the place rolling. In corp chat there is no real way to tell the undertones of sensitive material. So best thing is to leave it out.
At this point I can not say that I can believe either side at this point. The Merc, you have at lest handled this with a cool head and I commend you for that, not that it really counts for shite.
Good Luck to you both,
Slade
DesuSigs |
Madina Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:02:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Yelan Zhou
Uhm, iam a 5 week noob too and have over 50 shuttles in my hangar.
Before NPCs stopped selling them and Trit prices were 3.3+, i use to buy them cheap and refine them. Not worth doing anymore.
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Murphy Dropkick
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:07:00 -
[87]
Yay for more racist jokes! I was invited to a private room, didn't know who it was, and saw this.
It's a good time to be a black man in space. I'll tell you that much.
Screen Shot
Same people that are harassing me, calling me the N word, Merc included.
Freaking depressing.
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:09:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Arvald on 21/08/2008 21:11:03
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Yay for more racist jokes! I was invited to a private room, didn't know who it was, and saw this.
It's a good time to be a black man in space. I'll tell you that much.
Screen Shot
Same people that are harassing me, calling me the N word, Merc included.
Freaking depressing.
yeah hera was being kind astupid but was making a point that racisim hurts no one, you jsu accepted right at the punchline but still back to what i was telling you. you have 24h to contract all the items/isk back to merc or, well, you know what will happen but please petition us, not much will happen as it was in out moderated channel and you ahve the choice to leave at will ^_^
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:23:00 -
[89]
Originally by: SkyFlyer
yay i made it onto a screenshot on the forums yaya now im all happy lolz!!!!!!
dude........your face 0_o
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:48:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Alright, I'm a weak, petty, person for letting this get to me. I'm so freaking angry my hands are shaking.
After I got to my hanger last night, there was in fact tons of stuff that I did not purchase myself, and DID NOT take from your hanger Merc.
If there is no way for you to deliver items for the corp hanger into my hanger, than I'm guilty and all the racist jokes, and harassment is deserved I suppose.
If there is a way for you to put stuff in my hanger to take screen shots, well then, thanks for the setup, thanks for the jokes, thanks for the threats, thanks for the ganks, and future wardecs.
I'm so very frustrated right now. And I'm sure you are right, I can't report you for comments made in your chat room. That's life I suppose.
No, it isn't.
Enough of this is enough.
Murphy, if what you are telling us is TRUE, you have more than sufficient grounds for a harassment petition. With what's been said here on the Forums, AND the fact that CCP logs everything, INCLUDING PLAYER ACTIONS - well, if you are being honest you have a prima facie case for harassment, with them moving crap into your hangar supposedly to discredit you.
Basically, if you are honest you don't have much of a option, and as I recall CCP in the EULA does not exempt private channels fromt he "no racism" clause of the EULA.
Again, if you ARE being honest, time to put up or shut up. Petition it, or accept the reputation hit and come clean. Either one - as it is, your credibility is slipping away.
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The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:15:00 -
[91]
Edited by: The Merc on 21/08/2008 22:15:19
Murphy can tell his side of the story he is intitled to his opinon. But this is good, im overjoyed to hear that CCP logs all actions. And im not going to lie, yes i was in that chat and told them about Murphy and this forum. There actions are not my own though. Now if anything is patitioned the truth can come out. So if CCP truly logs everything i have no more reason to post here anymore. This is to much drama for a silly video game.
On the second note, i am offended of being called a racist, im not a racist, i take pride in my moral values but i understand when i hurt someones feelings. Telling a sterotypical joke is racist but it doesnt show that i am a rascist person. If you call me a racist then that your own oppion and truthfully i dont care about your opinon. And i applologize once again about the joke, witch is the one thing that hasnt been disputed is that i said it, witch i will not deny. Thank you for everyones support on this case. Even if noone belives me, then CCP wins in the end and so does the community.
My last post on the topic
- Merc
Originally by: Arkeladin
Originally by: Murphy Dropkick
Alright, I'm a weak, petty, person for letting this get to me. I'm so freaking angry my hands are shaking.
After I got to my hanger last night, there was in fact tons of stuff that I did not purchase myself, and DID NOT take from your hanger Merc.
If there is no way for you to deliver items for the corp hanger into my hanger, than I'm guilty and all the racist jokes, and harassment is deserved I suppose.
If there is a way for you to put stuff in my hanger to take screen shots, well then, thanks for the setup, thanks for the jokes, thanks for the threats, thanks for the ganks, and future wardecs.
I'm so very frustrated right now. And I'm sure you are right, I can't report you for comments made in your chat room. That's life I suppose.
No, it isn't.
Enough of this is enough.
Murphy, if what you are telling us is TRUE, you have more than sufficient grounds for a harassment petition. With what's been said here on the Forums, AND the fact that CCP logs everything, INCLUDING PLAYER ACTIONS - well, if you are being honest you have a prima facie case for harassment, with them moving crap into your hangar supposedly to discredit you.
Basically, if you are honest you don't have much of a option, and as I recall CCP in the EULA does not exempt private channels fromt he "no racism" clause of the EULA.
Again, if you ARE being honest, time to put up or shut up. Petition it, or accept the reputation hit and come clean. Either one - as it is, your credibility is slipping away.
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The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:37:00 -
[92]
I did want to post this as my only proof i have, yes its a chat log, you can think its fake. Im not saying its going to save either of us. But the truth should always be told.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Channel ID: 2134947501
Channel Name: Private Chat (Murphy Dropkick)
Listener: The Merc
Session started: 2008.08.20 01:16:48
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[ 2008.08.20 01:17:02 ] Murphy Dropkick > WTF is up with you guys telling black jokes?
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:09 ] Murphy Dropkick > You know I'm black right?
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:15 ] The Merc > i asked
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:21 ] Murphy Dropkick > tha'ts bullshit dude
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:25 ] The Merc > we told reneck and blonde jokes
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:27 ] Murphy Dropkick > Very direspectful
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:33 ] The Merc > and i know black is disrespectfull so i asked
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:37 ] The Merc > and everyone seemed ok with it
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:45 ] Murphy Dropkick > Well I was AFK and come back to that
[ 2008.08.20 01:17:47 ] Murphy Dropkick > not cool man
[ 2008.08.20 01:18:06 ] The Merc > i have black friends that are fine with it thats why i asked
[ 2008.08.20 01:18:26 ] Murphy Dropkick > Well - I know it sounds stupid to you, but it doesn't offend me so much as make me feel bad
[ 2008.08.20 01:18:50 ] The Merc > well dude i didnt know and now i feel like shit
[ 2008.08.20 01:18:56 ] Murphy Dropkick > well
[ 2008.08.20 01:19:09 ] Murphy Dropkick > I'm going to have to fine you and your corp
[ 2008.08.20 01:19:30 ] The Merc > fine?
[ 2008.08.20 01:19:33 ] Murphy Dropkick > yes fine
[ 2008.08.20 01:19:49 ] Murphy Dropkick > 400 million or I post the screen shots on the eve forums. You have 5 minutes to make your decision.
[ 2008.08.20 01:19:58 ] The Merc > sorry
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:05 ] The Merc > im not going to do that
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:08 ] Murphy Dropkick > k
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:09 ] The Merc > im not up to blackmail
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:12 ] Murphy Dropkick > No problem
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:15 ] The Merc > cuz if i do pay youll just do it again
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:23 ] Murphy Dropkick > You have my word
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:45 ] Murphy Dropkick > Doesn't benefit me anything to put them up after you paid
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:49 ] The Merc > dude
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:51 ] The Merc > thats not fair
[ 2008.08.20 01:20:55 ] Murphy Dropkick > 4 minutes
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:01 ] The Merc > i asked corp and i know its direspectfull
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:15 ] The Merc > and im not raceist
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:27 ] Murphy Dropkick > People who read the screenshots aren't going to know that
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:39 ] Murphy Dropkick > And you know there are people just waiting to Wardec for no reason
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:40 ] The Merc > thats not cool dude... this is blackmail
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:47 ] Murphy Dropkick > It's a fine.
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:50 ] Murphy Dropkick > 3 minutes
[ 2008.08.20 01:21:58 ] The Merc > well im blonde
[ 2008.08.20 01:22:06 ] The Merc > maybe i should fine them
[ 2008.08.20 01:22:06 ] Murphy Dropkick > ok?
[ 2008.08.20 01:22:20 ] Murphy Dropkick > They aren't CEO, they aren't supposed to lead by example.
[ 2008.08.20 01:22:25 ] Murphy Dropkick > Just so no and I'll go away
[ 2008.08.20 01:22:42 ] The Merc > CEO
[ 2008.08.20 01:22:47 ] The Merc > dude im telling jokes
[ 2008.08.20 01:22:59 ] The Merc > and i know black jokes are more offenseive and based on serotypes
[ 2008.08.20 01:23:02 ] The Merc > so i asked
[ 2008.08.20 01:23:09 ] Murphy Dropkick > that still doesn't make it ok
[ 2008.08.20 01:23:32 ] The Merc > niether does it make blonde/white jokes
[ 2008.08.20 01:23:44 ] Murphy Dropkick > Which is why those people will be offended too
[ 2008.08.20 01:23:50 ] Murphy Dropkick > I can't speak for them though
[ 2008.08.20 01:23:54 ] The Merc > i can
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The Merc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:37:00 -
[93]
This is the rest
[ 2008.08.20 01:23:59 ] Murphy Dropkick > well ok
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:01 ] The Merc > and i oppologized
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:02 ] Murphy Dropkick > 1 minute
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:32 ] The Merc > point blank dude
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:44 ] Murphy Dropkick > point blank, you got 30 seconds
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:47 ] The Merc > if i offended you then so be it.. i appoligized and my concious is clear
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:49 ] Murphy Dropkick > 400 mil
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:54 ] The Merc > im not paying you shit
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:57 ] Murphy Dropkick > It's not about your conscience
[ 2008.08.20 01:24:58 ] The Merc > and your going to have to deal eith that
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:01 ] The Merc > with*
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:06 ] Murphy Dropkick > It's about your corps reputation
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:15 ] The Merc > goodbye you were a good friend while it lasted
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:29 ] Murphy Dropkick > It's about everybody that's gonna wanna wardec you after they read those screen shots I'm putting up
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:36 ] The Merc > then they wardec me
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:42 ] The Merc > im not paying you
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:46 ] The Merc > if your screwing me over
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:49 ] The Merc > why would i pay you?
[ 2008.08.20 01:25:57 ] Murphy Dropkick > 400 mil is a cheap price to pay for peace, quite, and so your corp wont fall apart
[ 2008.08.20 01:26:09 ] Murphy Dropkick > Just think it through
[ 2008.08.20 01:26:17 ] Murphy Dropkick > wha'ts going to happen when everybody knows you are a racist corp?
[ 2008.08.20 01:26:20 ] Murphy Dropkick > members are going to leave
[ 2008.08.20 01:26:21 ] The Merc > with the 10 seconds i have left?
[ 2008.08.20 01:26:28 ] The Merc > haha im not racist and the corp knows it
[ 2008.08.20 01:26:54 ] Murphy Dropkick > Tha'ts fine too, but I just hope you are ready to have to explain yourself everyday for the next few weeks
[ 2008.08.20 01:27:50 ] Murphy Dropkick > Fine 400 mil is steep. 250 mil right now, last chance. Just say yes or not and I'll leave you alone.
[ 2008.08.20 01:28:10 ] The Merc > can i think it thru man... thats alot of money to dump give me like 2 minutes
[ 2008.08.20 01:28:23 ] Murphy Dropkick > 1 minute
[ 2008.08.20 01:28:30 ] Murphy Dropkick > And you have my word no screen shots go up
[ 2008.08.20 01:29:29 ] The Merc > your word?
[ 2008.08.20 01:29:33 ] The Merc > you promise?
[ 2008.08.20 01:29:37 ] Murphy Dropkick > Yes.
[ 2008.08.20 01:29:38 ] Murphy Dropkick > but
[ 2008.08.20 01:29:47 ] Murphy Dropkick > You come after me or mention this and I'll put them up
[ 2008.08.20 01:29:58 ] Murphy Dropkick > But you have my word and promise
[ 2008.08.20 01:30:45 ] The Merc > alright dude let me sell this hulk to get the isk
[ 2008.08.20 01:34:44 ] The Merc > how bout no
[ 2008.08.20 01:34:49 ] The Merc > bye
[ 2008.08.20 01:34:50 ] Murphy Dropkick > K
[ 2008.08.20 01:34:52 ] Murphy Dropkick > bye
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:45:00 -
[94]
awesome, gota hand it to the guy though not many new players would think to do that, hes gona go far in this game
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:50:00 -
[95]
It looks to me like ol murph got served.
I am sure he will be back soon to refute the logs of course
-=^=-
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Rilwar
BlackStar Industrial
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:50:00 -
[96]
Merc +1
FTW \o/ |
Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:53:00 -
[97]
merc jsut won the forums
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