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Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:33:00 - [61] In an old corp, things went a bit smoother: tax rate changed to 100% Me: Tax up, what's the deal? CEO/DIR: Op. Me: Gotcha. And we're done If you think 15% is too high and you don't trust they'll use it to further the corporatio, just leave.
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:38:00 - [62] Offices, POS Fuel, Ammo, Modules, Ships, BPOs all require ISK. If you want your corporation to ever turn into anything decent it is going to need your ISK to grow. 15% tax is average in my opinion, but I also provide all the things I stated in my first sentance. If someone was on providing any services for thier corporation, yet taxing them, that may be a bit unfair, though if it is a large corporation, just being in the corporation itself provides you with friends and allies to assist and protect you in Eve and due to the CEOs hardwork and effort it is possible for you to be a member.
666 666	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:42:00 - [63] personally i think for a mission running corp, until we have other things going on such as a POS anything above a 5% tax should be voluntary. if you want to help the corp so much donate the extra 10% to the corp wallet.
SnoW BlinDeR	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:44:00 - [64] Originally by: 666 666 personally i think for a mission running corp, until we have other things going on such as a POS anything above a 5% tax should be voluntary. if you want to help the corp so much donate the extra 10% to the corp wallet. Get out of the corp then if your not happy with it.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:51:00 - [65] Originally by: 666 666 personally i think for a mission running corp, until we have other things going on such as a POS anything above a 5% tax should be voluntary. if you want to help the corp so much donate the extra 10% to the corp wallet. you need isk to aquire these other things, its not cheap to set up a pos you know so you do need to start building cash reserves first. the reason you don't want to pay the tax is you really don;nt want to help the corp you want to keep the tax for yourself you can always create your own corp and create your own tax rules but this corp has decided that its best if ythey all pay 15% and move together as a unit if you don;nt agree with the way they are doing it then leave but since 15% is really not a notacible loss to anyone but over many members helps build alot of funds or uture corp expansions.
Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:53:00 - [66] Originally by: 666 666 personally i think for a mission running corp, until we have other things going on such as a POS anything above a 5% tax should be voluntary. if you want to help the corp so much donate the extra 10% to the corp wallet. If you don't like leave. Make your own corp and make your own rules. So then you can have whiners *** at you because things are not fair. Joining a corp is voluntary. Nothing and no one out side of that corp dictates how it is to be ran. (unless you are in an alliance which becomes a whole different critter and seeing 20% is common.) And coming here to *** about your corp is just stupid. Hardcore games...what games do you think is more "Hardcore" than eve? I am just curious.
wah bok Caldari Copperhead Arsenal	Posted - 2008.08.20 18:12:00 - [67] Quote: And coming here to ***** about your corp is just stupid. Hardcore games...what games do you think is more "Hardcore" than eve? I am just curious. I hear hello kitty is pretty cutthroat
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.08.20 18:42:00 - [68] I think quite some people here dont get it. Okay the TS should have put it a bit nicer with their conversation, however they raised tax without even sending a corp message to explain. Is it really too much work to make short corp message why tax is being increased? Then part 2: His corp has no POS, has no BPOs and has no ship replacement program. His corp doesnt need to come any further since it is just a mission running corp, they arent after world (or constellation) domination. And considering that the CEO couldnt give any concrete example of what the isk would be used on, it is pretty safe to assume he just wanted more isk for himself.
Nailus Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:39:00 - [69] Edited by: Nailus on 20/08/2008 19:39:55 Id leave ASAP, sounds like one crappy corp CEO just wants a new CNR
Paramite Pies Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:42:00 - [70] Isn't there one corp with 100% tax. Like. All the time? and it still has a decent amount of players.
Sarin Adler Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:56:00 - [71] You suck for hiding behind an alt.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:59:00 - [72] Originally by: Paramite Pies Isn't there one corp with 100% tax. Like. All the time? and it still has a decent amount of players. Usually, corps with 100% tax all the time have all the players ships etc provided free. There are lots of very sucessful communist/socialist style corps in eve and pretty much every major pvp corp/alliance has some form of subsady or socialist/communist approach in it. In those cases, its not like a player needs a lot of isk to enjoy the game. There are lots of honest mission runner corps, and lots of scam ones. If the corp is giving nothing, no goal, no plan etc etc then unless the CEO has some grand project, then all you are doing is funding his wallet.
Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:59:00 - [73] Originally by: Furb Killer I think quite some people here dont get it. Okay the TS should have put it a bit nicer with their conversation, however they raised tax without even sending a corp message to explain. Is it really too much work to make short corp message why tax is being increased? Then part 2: His corp has no POS, has no BPOs and has no ship replacement program. His corp doesnt need to come any further since it is just a mission running corp, they arent after world (or constellation) domination. And considering that the CEO couldnt give any concrete example of what the isk would be used on, it is pretty safe to assume he just wanted more isk for himself. Yea I did not see where it was mentioned that they had no pos or bpos. However they did mention ships. And they did not mention about notification was sent or not. That chat log was just a ***** session. And if someone came to me like that I would tell them to pound sand until he can come back and talk to discuss the future plans if any. All the OP did was run to the forums before he found out wtf is going on and tried to get ammo for his argument from players that have no idea what the circumstances are nor who the corp is. Unless you have some inside knowledge that we are not privy to, "TO get It" then basically he is a troll or your the Alt in the OP.
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:13:00 - [74] I can understand building isk reserves for a project... But I think that corp members have a right to know what the project is before something drastic like tripling taxes. Say you have 20 actives grinding L4 missions every day, at a 15% rate you are talking about the corp gaining tens of millions in isk a day, and hundreds of millions a week. You don't need anywhere near that much even for the more expensive office rents, or even to run a highsec research pos (which are cheap to run, since you only need a small, and don't even really need to put defense on it since CONCORD will protect it). Expenses in running a highsec corp are minuscule compared to lowsec/pvp/0.0. There is no point in maintaining more than a couple pos's, and that only if you are HEAVY into doing invention, you can't even USE capital ships, much less build them, and you don't need a "Titan fund". The only way a highsec mission runner corp needs a lot of isk is if they have a ship replacement program. And why have one in highsec? The only way you lose a ship in highsec is by being stupid or lazy... A highsec corp should have a tax rate NO HIGHER than 5% under ordinary conditions. Higher taxes should happen only during war situations. And yes, I've been CEO of a highsec mission runner corp in the past. I set taxes at 5% They had been at 10%, which was to fund a pos project, once that pos was bought, anchored, built, and fueled, I cut it to 5%. The pos project ended up paying for itself in rented research slots. Research pos's are in high demand in Caldari highsec... Everyone knew about this project and agreed to it as a corp goal in advance. Even at 5% the corp had more money than it needed (even though we only had 15 active members), and we used excess funds mostly to provide loans to members, and even paid dividends.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:16:00 - [75] Originally by: 666 666 personally i think for a mission running corp, until we have other things going on such as a POS anything above a 5% tax should be voluntary. if you want to help the corp so much donate the extra 10% to the corp wallet. you know, you're right. why don't you pay only 5% tax then? OHHH, you can't, because you're not a director nor the CEO, and have no great role in the corporation (seeing how you get treated in corpchat). pay taxes. do no want? get out.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Richard Angevian stuff where does a corp get the needed BPOs?
666 666	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:46:00 - [77] member donations or from regular taxes maybe ?
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.08.20 20:56:00 - [78] Originally by: 666 666 the corp i am in with one of my characters just went from 5% to 15% and i personally am thinking this is a bit high for a corp that is basically mission running. One day we might go in low sec or 0.0 but that wont be for some time. Any thoughts / input are greatly appriciated. 15% in a high sec mission running corp sounds like a scam. 1. How many directors are there? 2. How long has this corportion been going? 3. DEMAND a reason for the tax increase. Ask follow up questions to the reason for the tax increase. If he says for a POS ask him what his plan is, what does he intend to use the POS for, what structures is he going to get? Remember in terms of logistics there is a very big diffrence between high sec, low and null sec. If your CEO can not give a plausable reason for the increase leave the corp.
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides	Posted - 2008.08.20 21:18:00 - [79] I was in a corp that had 80% tax, and it was absolutely fine considering that the corp takes care of it's members. In all, it really depends on what you are getting out of the corp after the taxes you pay into it.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:44:00 - [80] My corp has more tax than that, but we have a (large) supply of items available in the corp hangar. The corp also has several POS to run which give us bases to rat at, and do blueprint research to make modules, ammo, and ships for us. In essence, it's about what the corp gives back to you.
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:00:00 - [81] Originally by: 666 666 please explain a little further for example i dont mind paying the 5% that is reasonable. I can understand the tax going up when we go deep in space but lets get real, that is going to seriously impinge my ability to build a wallet. fyi I am a recent returning player and had to restart over. im less than 2 weeks old. I intend on running lvl 4 missions pretty regular eventually and for each billion i make i will be giving away 150mill.....now i can deal with giving away 50mill but 3x that is just not reasonable when i could be running for an npc corp and paying 0 isk. it isnt like these people pay dividends or anything. There are multiple directors in the corp & I take issue with this tax rate, hell if i am gonna pay that kind of tax rate I might as well start my own corp. If you're looking for people to agree with you, bud, you won't have any trouble finding them. Tip for you: Before joining a corp, try to get at least a little understanding of what their vision/goals are, and whether it's something you're interested in working toward with them. Talk it over with your CEO. Depending on the vision, 15% might be excessive, or, believe it or not, it may be too low. You'll only know that by actually getting to know your corp's leadership, and what they have in mind for the future of the corp, which you should have done before joining. Good luck.

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