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666 666
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:57:00 -
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the corp i am in with one of my characters just went from 5% to 15% and i personally am thinking this is a bit high for a corp that is basically mission running. One day we might go in low sec or 0.0 but that wont be for some time.
Any thoughts / input are greatly appriciated. |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:57:00 -
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What are they doing with the tax money?
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:57:00 -
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If it s ahigh sec mission running corp, why exaclty are you taxing your members? |
Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:58:00 -
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15% is nothing,
Suck it up. |
Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 20/08/2008 14:00:03
My corp has a 100% tax rate.
Of course, me and my alt (not this one :P) are the only people in it.
If I was in a *real* corp I would question why I was getting taxed at all if it was a highsec-only corp. Is there a POS somewhere you're supporting? Do they give you free stuff? |
The Wounded
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:02:00 -
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It all depends on what happens with the money, if you get free ships/mods/ammo then its fine.
Else you're being ripped off! |
SeeOhVee
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:04:00 -
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ya i dont think we get free ships etc...there was no explanation, just tax was upped |
666 666
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:08:00 -
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ya i dont think we get free ships etc...there was no explanation, just tax was upped |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:24:00 -
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 Originally by: 666 666
ya i dont think we get free ships etc...there was no explanation, just tax was upped
CEO's pocketing the cash no doubt. LOLing all the way to Jita.
Bail.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:29:00 -
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15% is a fair rate. You gotta remember that some offices can cost quite alot depending on their location. Besides that, if your corp is worth its salt, that little bit of tax will help aid the corp as a whole, and as such, You. |
666 666
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: 666 666 on 20/08/2008 14:33:52
Originally by: Straight Chillen
15% is a fair rate. You gotta remember that some offices can cost quite alot depending on their location. Besides that, if your corp is worth its salt, that little bit of tax will help aid the corp as a whole, and as such, You.
please explain a little further for example i dont mind paying the 5% that is reasonable. I can understand the tax going up when we go deep in space but lets get real, that is going to seriously impinge my ability to build a wallet. fyi I am a recent returning player and had to restart over. im less than 2 weeks old.
I intend on running lvl 4 missions pretty regular eventually and for each billion i make i will be giving away 150mill.....now i can deal with giving away 50mill but 3x that is just not reasonable when i could be running for an npc corp and paying 0 isk. it isnt like these people pay dividends or anything.
There are multiple directors in the corp & I take issue with this tax rate, hell if i am gonna pay that kind of tax rate I might as well start my own corp. |
Zeerover
Caldari
DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:37:00 -
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It all depends on what corp offices you guys have. Some of the better mission hub npc stations charge over 20 million isk for the corp office. |
666 666
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:40:00 -
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even if the office is 20million, 1 dedicated mission runner could provide 50million a month pretty easily with 5% tax |
Major PewPew
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: 666 666
ya i dont think we get free ships etc...there was no explanation, just tax was upped
name of this corp should be provided...CEO's most definitely realized he can cash in on your mission runners... |
LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:44:00 -
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i am actually more concerned about CCP allowing people to make there name out of numbers. Jumbled letters for a name is bad enough. 
Concerning Tax at 15% i think that is pretty reasonable. You wont really notice it if you do alot of missions. just make sure the extra is used towards corp activitys etc |
murder one
Gallente
Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: 666 666
the corp i am in with one of my characters just went from 5% to 15% and i personally am thinking this is a bit high for a corp that is basically mission running. One day we might go in low sec or 0.0 but that wont be for some time.
Any thoughts / input are greatly appriciated.
Any corp tax is too high. They're stealing from you. |
Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: 666 666
I intend on running lvl 4 missions pretty regular eventually and for each billion i make i will be giving away 150mill.....now i can deal with giving away 50mill but 3x that is just not reasonable when i could be running for an npc corp and paying 0 isk. it isnt like these people pay dividends or anything.
There are multiple directors in the corp & I take issue with this tax rate, hell if i am gonna pay that kind of tax rate I might as well start my own corp.
As people have already said, it depends on what the isk is for doesnt it. You should find out, no taxation without representation and all that 
If you just run missions and dont gain any benefit from the corp there is no point in paying tax at all. If you gain small benefits like intel/advice/shared hangars with free stuff no-one wants then 5% is fair enough. For 15% tax rate you would probably be expecting a hell of a lot more than that.
If you are in hi sec i can think of nothing that would justify that sort of tax, as ship replacemt programs, pos etc are not going to be an issue. If the corp needs the money for say office rentals etc, there must be a reason for them. If the cop has expensive offices for trade/industry purposes, who gets the isk coming in? If it goes back into the corp wallet why does the tax need to stay high? What is the point in the corp making isk? What will it do with the money?
A corp having a high tax is perfectly reasonable (15% is not high btw). A corp having a change in tax is reasonable. Its just there should be some accountability as to where the isk is going. |
FarosWarrior
Amarr
Mission Mining Corp
Utterly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: FarosWarrior on 20/08/2008 14:54:59
Originally by: 666 666
even if the office is 20million, 1 dedicated mission runner could provide 50million a month pretty easily with 5% tax
ok, lets do calculations:
if 50mil is 5% then youll need to do 50*20 to get 100% (said 50 is 5%, *20 is 100)
according to my calculator that ends up in the 1bil range
if you can net 1bil each month to a 5% tax, imo you can also lose 150mil each month
or just dont whine and salvage all your missions to more then cover the taxes...
EDIT: im not saying that a good 33mil income every day isnt possible |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mankirks Wife
My corp has a 100% tax rate.
Of course, me and my alt (not this one :P) are the only people in it.
If I was in a *real* corp I would question why I was getting taxed at all if it was a highsec-only corp. Is there a POS somewhere you're supporting? Do they give you free stuff?
This
There is no point asking us if the tax rate is reasonable.
If they are handing out faction-fitted Marauders then a 15% tax rate is a bargin.
If they are only renting offices, then you might want to questions why it is so high.
I suggest that you talk to your corp's leadership about what they do with the corp revenues. |
Agent Kira
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:01:00 -
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Tax's are used to pay for :
Offices
Corp manufacturing Jobs
(Factory Rentals)
Corp Science Jobs
(Lab Rentals)
POS maintenace
Jump fuel for corp Cap ships
Purchasing of kit to distribute to the corp
Helping members recover after loosing a ship (My corp cov er the gap between the insurance and the cost of a new one, whatever it is)
Repairs after fleet engagements (that are for the corps benefit)
And many other things deopending on how the corp is run.
My corps tax rate is 10%. It has always been that. And i get all the above plus lots more, including a 60mil skill book 4 days ago. If it is a good corp, then as it grows the income will grow. No need to adjuct the tax rate.
If your putting in and getting nothing out (not even cover when mining) and do not meet any of the condition above(not exhuastive), then it can be assumed that you are paying for nothing. If the CEO says its for future plans, ask for a outline of those plans. Our CEO tells us everything if we ask, and even posts weekly mails informing us of our progress. A few months ago we had completed the project we were working on and half the corp wallet got distributed back to all the members (34 Members, approx 700mil to split)
"Most modern governments also use taxes to fund welfare and public services. These services can include education systems, health care systems,[...]transportation......"
('Tax' - Wikipedia.org) |
666 666
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:05:00 -
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please keep in mind that this corp is in .5 and higher space. we are not in war and have no POS to feed. i disagree that you should fund peoples lost ships if they lost it being stupid. |
Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: 666 666
i disagree that you should fund peoples lost ships if they lost it being stupid.
They weren't suggesting that the corp replace ships lost due to stupidity, but many corps will cover loses when participating in corp events. |
Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Babel on 20/08/2008 15:10:47
Depends ...
Is corp management using that money to fund stuff that benefits the corp members? [expensive office rents where you operate, mods/ammo/ships, insurance, research POS fuel etc etc].
If not, vote with your feet :) - as 15% is pretty damn steep if you are getting nothing back in return ... |
Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: 666 666
the corp i am in with one of my characters just went from 5% to 15% and i personally am thinking this is a bit high for a corp that is basically mission running. One day we might go in low sec or 0.0 but that wont be for some time.
Any thoughts / input are greatly appriciated.
Ask your CEO what he spends it on?
Because that is what determines if it's fair or not. |
Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Gimpb on 20/08/2008 15:12:38
People on the forum can't answer this for you. What does your corp do for you? 15% could be a rip off, it could be a great deal. |
Agent Kira
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:13:00 -
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Stupidity dosent count......and it dosent matter what sec your in, taxes should pay for benefits, not the CEO's back pocket cos he cant be asked to nail missions, but instead just logs in to change skills and leave you all to make his isk for his next cap ship. |
Al Thorr
Caldari
The Wheel
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:13:00 -
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Imho 15% is high. ( Based on available evidence)
But it sounds as if you have already drawn that conclusion.
Al |
Kleus Flek
Hard Corp
Carbide and Diamonds Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:18:00 -
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Without information about what the CEO is doing with this tax money, no one here can give a solid answer to your question, OP.
Ask again after you've figured out where your 15% is going, or leave the corporation and be done with it.
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Jack Butner
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:29:00 -
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I would be fine if when I logged in there were people doing missions. I have yet to find a corp where there's an active number of people running L4-L5 missions... I tend to still do them solo. |
Tharukan Desm'ar
Gallente
The Ninth Circle
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 20/08/2008 15:44:03
Our corp tax changes only when enough members propose a vote on the tax rates. currently sitting at 6% but helps towards actual running costs we do have. If your corp upped taxes without even informing members why I'd certainly be asking questions. Like what on earth they need it for? |
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