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Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.08.21 11:41:00 - [1] Edited by: Pteranodon on 21/08/2008 11:41:04 Reading the long slug of my Nighthawk post I noticed that on the way to the Nighthawk skills I can get into a Cerebus in 4 days. How does this ship standup as a PVP ship. I currently mess around in a Caracal & they seem similar. My requirement is a good PVP ship for somebody that has little PVP experience. It needs to use missiles (cause I like missiles) & is reasonbly fast & can tank well. ISK is not really that important as a few GTC's sort out the cash flow problems but what I cant sort out is what ship I should be in. I have reasonable skills but am looking for my Caldari neice PVP ship-I'm pretty sure it is not a Drake or Raven.
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.08.21 11:42:00 - [2] The Cerberus is about as good as any nano hac at the moment. It's got it's ups and downs, but it's not a bad ship. Unfortunately, I've not personally flown it (though I know lots of people that swear by it) so I can't really predict how it'll fare when the speed changes occur in the next month or so.
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.21 11:43:00 - [3] Cerb is almost a good PvP ship. A bit more CPU and a lot more PG, and it would certainly be. As it is... It's that old Caldari bugbear, a "niche" ship. Great for long range anti-support.
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.21 13:16:00 - [4] It's allways scary to fight if your in a less-then-sturdy ship like a stabber or a blackbird, since it's missiles have a annoying tendancy to nail your right in the face no matter how fast or far away you are, on the other hand it's pretty flimsy
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.08.21 13:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Malcanis As it is... It's that old Caldari bugbear, a "niche" ship. Great for long range anti-support. That's true enough. Like the Eagle, it fits into a very specific tactical niche in group combat. Recon ships don't want a Cerb breathing down their neck from 100+km away.
Selko Embries Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.21 17:15:00 - [6] I find the Cerb to be a very effective anti-support ship with 240km range. It can definately be used to counter the, overly griped about, Falcon. Still like most caldari ships you need to be in a gang to make people hang around long enough to die. I personally love my Cerberus.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.21 17:59:00 - [7] The cerberus is a fine PVP ship. It doen't solo but that's not unusual for a caldari ship. It doesn't nano well enough to be worth the trouble (not that that's going to even be worth arguing about post patch) though. If you want nano gank go with a Sacriledge. If you want the ability to field a support cruiser in a variety of roles go with the Cerb. It pretty much excells at: DPS Support (HAM's) Anti-EWAR Suppport (HML's) Anti-Nano/Frigate Support (AML + Precision Lights)
Ap0ll0n Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.08.21 18:57:00 - [8] What about: High: 5 T2 HAM launchers, 1 cloak Meds: 1 MWD II, point, sensor booster, 1 EM hardener, 1 MSE Lows: 3 OD II, 1 Nanofiber II Rigs: 2 polycarbon. This setup gives me 2.7km/s. Is that still too slow to keep up?
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:02:00 - [9] The cerb is an amazing PVP ship, its not that great solo, but with a little bit of support it melts faces. The Crow/Falcon/Cerb combo is probably one of the best 3 ship combos in the game. ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property Originally by: CCP Wrangler Get Chribba to publically denounce Veldspar, then we can start discussing winning EVE...
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Ap0ll0n What about: High: 5 T2 HAM launchers, 1 cloak Meds: 1 MWD II, point, sensor booster, 1 EM hardener, 1 MSE Lows: 3 OD II, 1 Nanofiber II Rigs: 2 polycarbon. This setup gives me 2.7km/s. Is that still too slow to keep up? Don't bother going full nano, try this setup: 5 x HML II w/ cn scourge 1 x LSE II 1 x Warp Disrupter II 1 x Invuln Field II 1 x Named 10 mn MWD 1 x Sensor booster (or invuln/em hardener) 3 x BCU II 1 x PDU II rigs: 2 x EM resist (or if you go with the em hardener in mid, use 1 core defence field extender) ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property Originally by: CCP Wrangler Get Chribba to publically denounce Veldspar, then we can start discussing winning EVE...

Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:12:00 - [11] Cerb is a not a good ship , just compare it to other hacs. It has no speed no tank no cap ,poor- average dmg ,only it has a nice optimal ,but because it uses missiles most of its dmg wont reach the target in time. Maybe ccp will look at it and gives it more cpu/pg+ little stat balancing.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Salvar Ar'adim Don't bother going full nano, try this setup: 5 x HML II w/ cn scourge 1 x LSE II 1 x Warp Disrupter II 1 x Invuln Field II 1 x Named 10 mn MWD 1 x Sensor booster (or invuln/em hardener) 3 x BCU II 1 x PDU II rigs: 2 x EM resist (or if you go with the em hardener in mid, use 1 core defence field extender) Don't bother with tackle - you shouldn't be anywhere close to the action. And the EM rigs are kinda pointless - missile velocity ones are much better, giving you the magic 245 km range.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.21 19:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Gypsio III Don't bother with tackle - you shouldn't be anywhere close to the action. And the EM rigs are kinda pointless - missile velocity ones are much better, giving you the magic 245 km range. Yes as your cerb tank is like nothing even a vagabond has much better buffer,if you go close you die, but the thing is if you are far away you wont do dmg :( because your friends will kill the target before your missiles reach him or at least loose much dmg.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: Gypsio III Don't bother with tackle - you shouldn't be anywhere close to the action. And the EM rigs are kinda pointless - missile velocity ones are much better, giving you the magic 245 km range. Yes as your cerb tank is like nothing even a vagabond has much better buffer,if you go close you die, but the thing is if you are far away you wont do dmg :( because your friends will kill the target before your missiles reach him or at least loose much dmg. Given the AML cerb can pretty much MELT a vagabond unless it's REALLY pimped (and if it is the vagabond is going to have to stop to deal damage anyway) I think you point is kinda silly. Afterall, I don't view the cerb as either a fast ship OR a tackle ship - ergo my 4 slot tank is vastly superior to the 1 (or 2) slot tank the Vaga has. Sure the vaga can deliver more DPS if it stops and starts slugging it out but my 30k extra EHP (and the fact the vaga is hammering at my highest resists) mean that's a fight he's not going to win alone. The HML cerb is used to kill support - ya know those FALCONS everyone apparently finds impossible to kill/drive off? The HAM cerb is used for DPS support. Just because it doesn't nano is irrelevent - doubly so after the speed nerf. The cerb doesn't need to nano if they pilot realizes they have such a phenomional range advantage.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:46:00 - [15] There was an post i read a few weeks back that made me laugh. I'm not sure if I agree with it, but it certainly fits the popular Caldari "reputation": Choose three: --Caldari --Solo --PvP --Success Play nice while you butcher each other.
Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:47:00 - [16] There is nothing the cerberus can do the eagle or sacrilege can't do better. It's a crap ship period compared to the insurable drake. Always has been. The patch might change things, but for the moment save your isk and train amarr cruiser V or hybrids.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Onionico There is nothing the cerberus can do the eagle or sacrilege can't do better. It's a crap ship period compared to the insurable drake. Always has been. The patch might change things, but for the moment save your isk and train amarr cruiser V or hybrids. The cerberus can hit targets for MORE damage at longer ranges than the eagle (same against the sac). The cerberus is better at engaging smaller faster ships than EITHER the eagle or the sac. The cerberus will deliver similar damage as the eagle (with blasters) at longer range. The Cerberus will deliver missiles further than the drake and outrun it forever with little trouble. The Drake is a crude tool in PVP as ALL generalist ships are. It's a hammer - the cerberus is a scalpel, both are effective when used right but neither can be used in the same capacity as the other.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Onionico There is nothing the cerberus can do the eagle or sacrilege can't do better. It's a crap ship period compared to the insurable drake. Always has been. The patch might change things, but for the moment save your isk and train amarr cruiser V or hybrids. And your a noob who listens to whatever ppl tell them. Cerb is great, good all rounder with nice dps poudly annoying fc's since 2007 The pos debate: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=851738
Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:10:00 - [19] Edited by: Onionico on 22/08/2008 03:12:08 Originally by: BiggestT And your a noob who listens to whatever ppl tell them. Cerb is great, good all rounder with nice dps I've flown them since they came out. The sacrilege is a better tackling missile ship, the eagle is a better anti support ship, and the drake is 90% as good as the cerb on it's own - while being being insurable. The cerberus sucks bro, get over it. Nothing personal in me pointing that out, blame ccp. Edit - Just lol at the "sniping" suggestions. You're a missile ship, it ain't happening. Fly another hac if you want a good one. The cerb is rather weak. I'm a noob for saying the cerb sucks ask other vets how the cerb ranks on the "hac" scale.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Onionico Edited by: Onionico on 22/08/2008 03:12:08 Originally by: BiggestT And your a noob who listens to whatever ppl tell them. Cerb is great, good all rounder with nice dps I've flown them since they came out. The sacrilege is a better tackling missile ship, the eagle is a better anti support ship, and the drake is 90% as good as the cerb on it's own - while being being insurable. The cerberus sucks bro, get over it. Nothing personal in me pointing that out, blame ccp. Edit - Just lol at the "sniping" suggestions. You're a missile ship, it ain't happening. Fly another hac if you want a good one. The cerb is rather weak. I'm a noob for saying the cerb sucks ask other vets how the cerb ranks on the "hac" scale. Given even with the shortest ranged weapons the Cerb is fighting WELL outside warp disruptor range I'd hazard the guess that it probably shouldn't be flown with the idea that it should even bother TRYING to tackle. The Cerb is a support cruiser - it drives off opposing EWAR, provides a no fly zone for most nano cruisers (super pimped ones excluded) or can add stout DPS to a gang from outside most of it's peers ranges. These are things that neither the drake nor the cerb are any good at. And the eagle is either DPS support (from point blank range) or anti-support (with less DPS and an equally low probability of killing that pesky falcon). The cerb is equally effective at either role AND nicely fits the anti-nano hat on top of it all. I'm not going to say the Cerb isn't without it's weakness or flaws - afterall it can't tackle and it's not especially sturdy. But what I will say is it's far from a crap ship. You just have to realize what it is and is not going to do well.

AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:20:00 - [21] Just to touch on that - just recently this cerberus decided it would be a good idea to let my harbinger into web range. Needless to say, it didn't end well for him (or his drake buddy).
Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:21:00 - [22] Crap by comparison. The drake can do anything you want a cerb to do (anythign that it SHOULD be doing anyway, sniping with missiles is silly.) That's quite easy to prove, simple math. Add into the discussion that one can insure the drake and the cerb is outclassed then and there. Let's compare it to other hacs shall we? The eagle has far greater range, instant damage, and is the ultimate in anti support. The sacrilege has more dps, more speed, a better tank, and can easily fit tackling gear and an injector. The cerb is crap due to low dps, no tank, dicey fitting issues, uninsurability, and a lack of speed. I didn't create these flaws, I'm pointing them out. Don't hate.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Onionico Crap by comparison. The drake can do anything you want a cerb to do (anythign that it SHOULD be doing anyway, sniping with missiles is silly.) That's quite easy to prove, simple math. Add into the discussion that one can insure the drake and the cerb is outclassed then and there. Let's compare it to other hacs shall we? The eagle has far greater range, instant damage, and is the ultimate in anti support. The sacrilege has more dps, more speed, a better tank, and can easily fit tackling gear and an injector. The cerb is crap due to low dps, no tank, dicey fitting issues, uninsurability, and a lack of speed. I didn't create these flaws, I'm pointing them out. Don't hate. Actually, the eagle has shorter range. And if you want to start comparing adding on modules to increase the range we can look at the neat fact that the Cerb hits out to max range with two rigs. The Eagle can do the same with 2 rigs and 2 Tracking Enhancers. While the cerb's missiles take ages to travel to a target, the Eagle's railguns hit instantly for a WHOPPING 160 DPS. Both ships accomplish the same thing - they drive a ship from the field but don't get a kill. The Drake has shorter range - no matter how many rigs you use a drake cannot engage long targets like the Cerb can. The drake has no defense against nano ships other than a webber and a flight of light drones. Against a nano gang the Drake is in effect all but useless (i'm giving it the benefit of recognizing that you can, from time to time, snag a nano HAC with that web and murder them). The cerb on the other hand with fitted with AML's + precison lights is able to engage nano ships traveling at 4 - 5 km/s from ranges in excess of 40km and deliver 200 sustained DPS - a feat few ships can hope to match. The Sacriledge is a one trick pony - its a heavy tackler with DPS. It's a trick the cerb cannot do well, and trying to ham fist it into the role is silly. The failure here isn't the ship, it's the pilot trying to use the ship in a way it's not intended. A HML Cerb delivers over 300 DPS out to 180km (native) and can push that to the lock limit. In a slugging match between the Eagle (the only other HAC that can reach this range) the cerb wins - double the DPS, better tank (not having to use all but 1 mid slot on range overcomes that tank bonus the Eagle gets). One way or another the eagle is leaving the field - either in a pod or in a panicked warpout. A HAM Cerb delivers over 400 DPS out to 40km giving it phenominal ability to support tacklers. Lack of tank makes this an unattractive option in my book but the abilty to fit EWAR of all shapes and sizes increases the utility of the ship over the Sac. A AML Cerb delivers over 200 dps to any target traveling at less than 7km/s. It can deliver these missiles up to 70km away, though the realistic engagement range is roughly 20 - 40 km for most nano boats thanks to the fact missiles have to catch the target. No other caldari ship does this effectively. Speed is rapidly about to become a non issue - or did you not read the thousand threads whining about that very fact?
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:40:00 - [24] I'd rather use an Onyx, tbh. _
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Onionico Crap by comparison. The drake can do anything you want a cerb to do (anythign that it SHOULD be doing anyway, sniping with missiles is silly.) That's quite easy to prove, simple math. Add into the discussion that one can insure the drake and the cerb is outclassed then and there. Let's compare it to other hacs shall we? The eagle has far greater range, instant damage, and is the ultimate in anti support. The sacrilege has more dps, more speed, a better tank, and can easily fit tackling gear and an injector. The cerb is crap due to low dps, no tank, dicey fitting issues, uninsurability, and a lack of speed. I didn't create these flaws, I'm pointing them out. Don't hate. I bet youve never flown it, and ignore things like Drake is slow (cerb is too, but u whack a mwd on it for reproaching gates/escaping bubbles, not too be a "nano", drake is slow for that), cerb is faster to align, cerb has better resists, smaller sig radius, better ability to hit anything fast (post patch especially), and long range dps: now here u say, but the eagle blah, yes the eagle is great, but no way is the eagle going to do as much damage at long range over a cerb. Only problem is waiting for volley to hit, but if ur shooting bs's/bc's they wont warp off in time nayway. Oh and the Cerb can kill falcons.. ill repeat that. Cerb can kill falcons.. If you think thats crap then i think you have your standards far too high poudly annoying fc's since 2007 The pos debate: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=851738
Raymond Sterns Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:54:00 - [26] Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 22/08/2008 03:55:02 Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 22/08/2008 03:49:37 Cerb is currently a great gang ship. I agree, but it is outdone by most ships. The ability to hit from so far away is so phantasmagorically un-needed, that a Sacrilege does a much better jump at speed, tank, tackle and damage. It'll be more times of you saying, "I wish I was in a Sacrilege", than, "I wish I was in a Cerberus". _
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Onionico Edited by: Onionico on 22/08/2008 03:48:42 Originally by: Derek Sigres Actually, the eagle has shorter range. I stopped reading right there. Originally by: BiggestT I bet youve never flown it... Oh and the Cerb can kill falcons.. ill repeat that. Cerb can kill falcons.. I don't even need to respond to this one. Originally by: Raymond Sterns I'd rather use an Onyx, tbh. Me too. It's fun how you make statements that are utterly false then don't bother defending them. It really is It's even more fun that you disregard my statements with a wave of the hand stating you don't need to respond. It doesn't make your argument any more solid. Red Herring aruguements followed by snobbish refusal to even consider a counter point are textbook troll behavior - taught in internet trolling 101 if I'm not mistaken.
Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:56:00 - [28] Hi raymond? Miss me? <--- angelonico. Back to the point, and to further this discussion: The cerb is a "great gang ship" compared to what?
Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Derek Sigres stuff I note how you delve into personal attacks and dodging rather than respond to my points. Try answering my question. It would be a good start. The cerb sucks and I'm having a good chuckle at your attempts to defend it.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.22 03:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Onionico Originally by: Derek Sigres stuff I note how you delve into personal attacks and dodging rather than respond to my points. Try answering my question. It would be a good start. The cerb sucks and I'm having a good chuckle at your attempts to defend it. Funny how u ignored everything i said too, fly the ship first, then pvp in it. Then come back and say its crap. ITS NOT stfu poudly annoying fc's since 2007 The pos debate: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=851738



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