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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.23 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/08/2008 10:59:04
 Originally by: Cpt Branko
Shield-tanked ships with SPRs are F-A-I-L. They do no damage.
People who say that are epic fail and don't know what they are talking about. Why do people still come out with this rubbish. SPR dont lower damage, I use them with my railguns no problem at 700dps from my railguns without drones, that's hardly no damage. I do agree pure tanking is worthless to many people over tank for PvE.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.23 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 23/08/2008 13:06:55
"But im still wondering why Galente as armor tanking race has such a high base shield recharge rate compared to amarr."
They are not an amour tanking only race. Gallante started off as being the only ones to HP regen passive tank and are credited with haveing the first usefull passive shield tanks. It took years before Caldari could join in. Gallante hold all the recharge records. In the past it was Gallante had the faster recharge and higher HP regen while Caldari had the higher hitpoints but much slower HP regen.
Now it's all messed up and unbalanced with shield rechargers being super rare on Gallante ships compared to the past.
Passive tanking needs rebalancing. Not nerfing. Shield Rechargers need fixing so they are usefull again and extenders need nerfing. I would give a small penalty along the lines of -5% shield recharge per shield extender. Then boost shield rechargers 5 or 10% each. Not sure on precise numbers as testing is needed.
"mymidon is legendary for its passive shield builds. How much more crazy can it get?"
Its not crazy, what's crazy is that Caldari ships suddenly got so good at passive shield HP regen and shield rechargers become useless. I miss the days with Caldari being buffer tanks and Gallante shield recharge or armor.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.23 21:47:00 -
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"What did happen that made caldaris so good with passive shield tanking?"
I forgot precisely how many boosts there was in the end but shield extenders got boosted at least twice. Also ships got there shield hitpoints boosted by 50% or was it 25% twice. The first time they forgot to adjust the base shield recharge. The 2nd time I think it was 25% hitpoints but 25% slower base recharge. Or sometimes along those lines. The old shield extenders used to give far less hitpoints and take up far more PG.
"NOOOO
that wld be an effective nerf to the nighthawk (already a tad underpowered)."
But I boosted shield rechargers so it would still be able to keep the high HP regen if not have higher HP rege. The change just means passive tank have to go back to choosing between a buffer tank or HP regen tank not have both.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.24 09:51:00 -
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"Well, not fitting three damage mods is lowering your damage,"
I think we had a little misunderstanding , I thought you comment on SPR's and no damage was for PvE as you talked about PvE right after. I fit 3 damage mods and SPR's all the time but yeah for PvP SPR's are nearly always one of the worst options as buffer tanks rule so fit PDS.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.24 18:45:00 -
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"That's an interesting assertion. How would you apply it to, say, a Megathron?"
Not too sure it's better than an amour tank but it does work.
7 neut blasters T2. 3 damage mods and 4 PDS for a HP buffer and cap, perhaps 3 pds and 1 DCU. Then fit 1 microwarp, web, invul field and shield extender or no web and 2 shield extenders in the mids. As your in a gang you then get a 10 to 15% further shield HP boost. If you have the isk use T1 extender rigs.
You end up with a 1000 ish dps output, faster than a plate amour tank, a 20 to 30k shield buffer that regens. Plus most people think your an amour tanked so hit you for thermal/kinetic.
Useless solo but in a gang its works well.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.25 10:10:00 -
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"and then mr nanozealot comes along and *pewpewpew* bye shield tanked mega."
But that would happen to the plate tank only worse as the amour plate tank is slower. At least with the shield tank you have a little more speed, more spare cap and fitting to run a large energy destabilise.
" and all armortanks have a high natural resistance to em..."
Which is precisely the reason why people don't use EM on amour tanked ships often. Anyway EM is easy to fix just swap 1 extender rig fro 1 EM rig.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 03/09/2008 06:38:13
Cloora said "wow... how ignorant are you?
You show me ANY Railgun setup that has SPRs in the lows AND does 700DPS WITHOUT DRONES and I will show you an Ibis that can tank a DDD."
I am not the ignorant one, it's my main ship that I have been flying for months, in fact I had been using it for hours before I posted.
Kronos
High
x4 425mm Railgun T2 (Navy Anti Matter)
x3 tractor beams
Mids
x2 Dread Invul Fields (I guess 2 single hardners would be better but I perfew this)
x2 Large Shield Extenders
Low
x3 Mag Field Stabs T2
x2 PDS
X2 SPR's (Though been thinking about getting the two cap implants and useing x3 SPR'S)
Rigs
x2 Core Defence fields T2.
693 to 809 DPS depending on overheating. Range 36 op with 30falloff, I have long range ammo as well but its rarely needed. Normally I am in a gang with a afk ship to boost hitpoints and HP regen further along with speed and other stuff.
Cloora said " Listen, the poster I was replying to was talking like they fly this magical railgun ship that does 700+DPS with SPR's in the lows often."
That's because I do fly it often as it's my main PvE ship. As I already said and Merin Ryskin pointed out you don't use SPR's for PvP ships. My PvP ship is very different as I posted it above.
So now its your turn to show me your Ibis that can tank a DDD. I guess my ship could work for PvP with a few change's, extender rigs, swap rigs from T2 to T1, swap dread mods to T2, swap SPR to PDS. It could make a decent sniper with a buffer tank that regens slowly. But really a Mega or Hyper would work better a a Kronos is to costly.
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