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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:04:00 -
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.09.12 22:19:00 -
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There are a couple of false comparisons here. First of all you don't have to stare at your ammo being built, so yeah, the faction stuff may appear favorable in raw profit per hour, it probably doesn't compare so favorably to profit per hour played, and yeah, as someone pointed out, LP aren't free, since you could have bought something else with them that you could either use or sell, so they need to be factored into the cost.
Aside from that, the "over farming" argument doesn't hold water. If they were truly "over farmed" they'd be dirt cheap, and you'd have nothing to complain about. I guess you could argue that if they were even less common, they'd be really really expensive and nobody would use them.
All that aside, yeah T2 ammo (especially torps) need a boost to be comparable to faction, or at the very least attractive cost/benefit wise compared to T1.
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Xeno Xandovar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.09.13 05:48:00 -
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+1
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.09.15 12:12:00 -
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Rolling this back on up to P1 so that maybe someone who gives a damn will take a look and make a comment.
T2 inferior to base T1 = bad.
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Miss Xerox
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Posted - 2008.09.16 11:40:00 -
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The CSM's say nothing concerning the rather glaring flaws in T2 ammo... yet they respond to really whacked out ideas that probably would not work (either supporting them or denigrating them, all without being constructive).
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DEATHsyphon
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.16 12:22:00 -
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supported
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.09.21 12:56:00 -
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Okay, let's rotate this back to the front of the que to be ignored again by the CSMs. |
Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2008.09.21 23:23:00 -
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/signed
I dont see a reason to use T2 oer Faction i.e. making T2 Turrets obsolete if oyu got the money for faction
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Pliauga
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.22 08:52:00 -
[69]
Supported
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DRONE love rulez!! 'mkay?!
LONG range/"OUT OF SYSTEM" artillery |
Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.10.01 21:12:00 -
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Ever wonder when the next CSM meeting is? They certainly don't post a schedule, nor the minutes that follow.
Hmm, I smell something with the same longevity as Eve-TV.
Ahh well, guess it's time to recycle this thread back to the front.
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slightly sillydude
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Posted - 2008.10.02 21:03:00 -
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T2 autocannon ammo isn't awful, both hail and barrage, just sayin. The barrage penalties are fairly modest and the added damage of hail is significant.
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Trist Ian
Free Galactic Enterprises
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.10.02 22:47:00 -
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.10.05 21:03:00 -
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 Originally by: slightly sillydude
T2 autocannon ammo isn't awful, both hail and barrage, just sayin. The barrage penalties are fairly modest and the added damage of hail is significant.
Barrage affects gun tracking. As I stated before ammo that affects the gun only affects that gun and no other, so you only get one incidence of the penalty for that weapon.
Hail affects your cap regen, so each weapon penalizes the ship as a whole. The penalties stack, reducing your capacitor regeneration to effectively nil while using Hail.
If they do nothing more they should look at this unbalanced disparity that renders certain T2 ammos downright dangerous to attempt using (missiles most notably), and considerably less useful than their base T1 counterparts, much less faction.
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Miss Xerox
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Posted - 2008.10.22 21:07:00 -
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Let's roll this back to the front so it can get lost among all the Ghost training whines (so much to-do about something that should have been nixed years ago).
CSMs - do you even exist?
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winthrowe
Node Alpha Defense Research
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Posted - 2008.10.23 17:45:00 -
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.11.02 23:45:00 -
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Getting a look at the latest minutes and... hey, a brief mention of the problems with precision missiles, but no definate stance concerning ammunition as a whole. One little tag line... hardly any sort of constructive examination of the massive problems with the stuff.
Apparently the CSM's just don't use the stuff (wonder why? It sucks) so they simply don't give a damn.
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BrainSeller
BrainSeller Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2008.11.03 16:33:00 -
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supported
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Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.03 20:09:00 -
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Actually, this CSM alt makes the stuff!
It was discussed in the last CSM/CCP meeting and the CSM was told that T2 ammo was being reexamined soon. Hence, CCP already are looking at it...
Take care,
Arithron
Vote Arithron for CSM!
Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Silvana Kor'ah
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Posted - 2008.11.04 01:16:00 -
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word
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Dogfighter
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Posted - 2008.11.04 17:49:00 -
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/signed
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Disposeble Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.07 14:09:00 -
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something should have been done about this about 6 months and 3 threads ago
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.11.07 14:25:00 -
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I haven't heard anything good about T2 ammo changes with this upcoming content patch, that's for sure.
Ship-affecting changes remain (notably: speed) and still stack on a per-weapon basis. Turrent-affecting nerfs remain, but they still lack the devastating affects of ship-wide nerfs.
Thus, T2 ammo only gets worse under the current mechanic. Especially missiles, even with their changes taken into affect, under the new mechanic.
Oh well.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.11.25 18:33:00 -
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New CSMs, time to get another review of this subject.
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Rogerano
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.11.26 06:15:00 -
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I like the idea of the the two types of special ammo (T2 or faction) having extra effects on target.
As in:
Conflag "emits an emp burst which slightly hinders cap recharge on target" or something like that.
Kinetic ammos might cause a small amount of damage to automatically bleed down to the next protective layer.
Hail might damage target speed or something.
Void could add heat damage to target modules.
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.26 10:43:00 -
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IMO *ALL* faction ammo should be removed from the LP stores, and the penalties removed from T2 ammo. All the penalties. No more tracking, cap, speed, etc.
And T2 ammo needs to be head and shoulders above T1. It has been nerfed so many times that it's now useless, and T1 equipped ships are now able to come *very* close to T2 performance without the massive skillpoint investment of T2 modules.
Faction ammo needs to be very good, and very rare. Why not change all those T1 loot drops to some racial faction ammo? Make Gallente Navy BSs drop a few thousand Fed Navy Antimatter L rounds every once in a while. Make faction ammo more common than it used to be three years ago, but not what it is now.
Current price for Fed Navy AM L is 900 ISK/unit, 10k units at that price. Void is offered at 200 ISK/unit and 5k units at that price. Either way, the faction ammo is so cheap, there's no reason not to use it. Hell, my gun repair costs are usually way more than my ammo costs or what I make in loot these days when I have to overheat my guns to break some stupid triple rep rigged exile booster overheated Dominix tank.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Stalina
Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.26 10:49:00 -
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/signed
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Originally by: Malcanis
Hey I've got an idea: why don't you and your nerf-crying ilk never, ever post again.
See what you've done. Look what you did.
Now shush.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2008.11.26 19:00:00 -
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Just double or triple the LP & ISK cost for faction ammo in the LP stores.
And then remove the pointless nerfs on some of the T2 ammos (some T2 ammo has a 'nerf' that doesn't affect the ammo much at all... Barrage, for example, affects tracking but it is *long range* ammo where tracking counts for considerably less than short. Hail should've been tracking nerfed, like Void)
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.27 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned
Just double or triple the LP & ISK cost for faction ammo in the LP stores.
And then remove the pointless nerfs on some of the T2 ammos (some T2 ammo has a 'nerf' that doesn't affect the ammo much at all... Barrage, for example, affects tracking but it is *long range* ammo where tracking counts for considerably less than short. Hail should've been tracking nerfed, like Void)
Tripling the cost of faction ammo wouldn't even put a dent in my PVP costs. At all. And I'm sick of people with T1 guns and faction ammo nearly equaling the output of my T2 guns.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Ivena Amethyst
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:41:00 -
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supported
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:42:00 -
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This one is going with me to Iceland
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