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Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.28 22:01:00 - [91] But see, you know how much it makes per unit and thus you know how much it makes per year. (Or could if you did some basic math on it). That's the point I was making, most T2 BPO owners know that kind of thing and thus you can extrapolate the value of the BPO from that if they need/want to.
Femintaki Gallente Tech 1 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited	Posted - 2008.08.28 22:18:00 - [92] Originally by: Shadarle But see, you know how much it makes per unit and thus you know how much it makes per year. (Or could if you did some basic math on it). That's the point I was making, most T2 BPO owners know that kind of thing and thus you can extrapolate the value of the BPO from that if they need/want to. A BPO is only worth what the next person will pay for it. My overall point is that there is no consistent way to value these assets so it is difficult to determine net worth. Eg - Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II BPO sells on 7 times annual profit multiple Energized Reflective Membrane II BPO sells for 2 times annual profit multiple With sensible marketing and coverage of all regions it is possible to sell all you can build for both items so why the disparity? There is no obvious reason apart from EANM take less effort to sell. Personally I think an ERM II BPO for 4 bil is a steal if you don't already own one. Anyhow, enough of this idle chatter Quote: Do or do not - there is no try! Quote: Seller of 200 Tech 2 products
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.28 22:53:00 - [93] Originally by: Femintaki Personally I think an ERM II BPO for 4 bil is a steal if you don't already own one. Possibly. But with the sudden resurgence of whining re: t2 BPOs there is a slight risk of having them disappear or appear as a high run (read: a year's production worth?) BPC. I didn't risk that last year, and of course I'm sorry this year. And like last year I'm still viewing it as a risky purchase. I'm sure I'll be more sorry next year, but not as sorry as I would be if I were to buy one and have it nuked in the MIDAS expansion. Your risk exposure (to a CCP nerf) as a t2 bpo holder is huge. It's only natural your income be gigantic as well. If CCP never nerfs t2 BPOs you'll be one happy camper forever. If they do, that's 4 years of work down the drain. I'm amazed you fit into a pod with balls that big.
Mike'P	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:48:00 - [94] Originally by: Femintaki A BPO is only worth what the next person will pay for it. My overall point is that there is no consistent way to value these assets so it is difficult to determine net worth. And when you add in the nerf factor, these assets are worth exactly nothing because... <drum roll> ... it's a game, over which we have no control. I might be reading this wrong, but I think the background to the OP's idea was actually to bring the industrial side of things more into the role-playing side of the game. Close your eyes, drift into the eve universe, who are the big-shot money guys behind it all... Unfortunately, posts like this bring out the likes of the 'infinitely rich but never wrong' Shadarle. Sorry to pick on you, but as one of the self-declared MD Elite, you're a good target... If the OP was angling the way I think, what do you do with your large number of billions to stimulate the universe of EVE ? In the real world, rich people grow richer at the expense of poor people. They use their money to enrich their lives with material things. Every so often if there is a tax break, they spend money to avoid losing money. In eve, this works a bit like the real world because the poor don't realise their personal ISK sinks lead to your wallet (I've seen this thread at least 20 times in the last year or so). But if you're at the top of the game in terms of wallet contents/investments/assets.... where are you going ? How do you stimulate the peons to produce more ISK for you ? And maybe this is why we find people like Shadarle, with their professed infinite fonts of obvious ISK and wisdom, popping up in every penny stock IPO thread. Just in case the OP makes it work and gets to their goal and makes their ISK. I sincerely hope that Shardarle is a real life trader of dollars and lives a luxurious life far beyond that which we can imagine; it'd be really sad if he spent his time building up wealth in an online game when the creators of that game can nerf his assets at any moment for no reason whatsoever. Sorry to pick on you Shadarle, but having looked through a lot of posts, you deserve to be picked on.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.29 02:58:00 - [95] This thread went just a little bit off-topic. Looks like you have another secret admirer Sharadle
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.08.29 03:59:00 - [96] Originally by: Mike'P I might be reading this wrong, but I think the background to the OP's idea was actually to bring the industrial side of things more into the role-playing side of the game. Close your eyes, drift into the eve universe, who are the big-shot money guys behind it all... You'll never get those to come out of the wood work, or those that do that are in the spotlight to admit with any certainty since it weaken their positions as giants of trade manipulation and industry
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.29 05:10:00 - [97] Edited by: Shadarle on 29/08/2008 05:10:39 Originally by: Ricdics This thread went just a little bit off-topic. Looks like you have another secret admirer Sharadle Not so secret it seems I wouldn't be happy or satisfied if I didn't get a reaction from my posts. Funny enough, the more I get people attacking me the more I know my posts are sharply pointed and on the money. I just wish more of these people would take it to the level Danari did, as that was the most fun I've had. It would also be a great way of distributing wealth away from mid level traders to poorer merc corps who need the money far more. Heck, I got Danari to donate 10 bil to a few merc corps. I'd love to get even more people to donate billions to merc corps, so I offer this as a challenge. I challenge all who dislike my posts on here to declare war on me! I don't sit in an NPC corp, I'm in my own corp. War dec me and attack me if you think you're up to it. Take this beyond the forums and into the game! EDIT> I'll even start giving away the locations of my POS's so that we can have some real fun!
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.29 05:27:00 - [98] Its amazing he gave away 10b to get that job done. I had KIA hired for a week for under half of that when we were defending a Zzz Alliance attack and I dare say KIA are slightly larger than the ones that attacked your POS.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.29 05:35:00 - [99] Originally by: Ricdics Its amazing he gave away 10b to get that job done. I had KIA hired for a week for under half of that when we were defending a Zzz Alliance attack and I dare say KIA are slightly larger than the ones that attacked your POS. Especially because I lost approximate 1 billion isk in the attack and I got 3 POS defenses out of it which were the most fun I have had in EVE in months. I'd pay more money than that to have that much fun again... even if my opponent lost nothing. Knowing I lost 1/10th what he did makes it even more satisfying and frankly shocking.
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.29 05:40:00 - [100] Interesting that Danari said his approximate Net Worth was around 30b. It would seem he spent over 30% of his value in his war effort. No-one I know puts that much dedication into destroying me . The epic fail result just makes it a little more enjoyable.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.29 05:49:00 - [101] Originally by: Ricdics Interesting that Danari said his approximate Net Worth was around 30b. It would seem he spent over 30% of his value in his war effort. No-one I know puts that much dedication into destroying me . The epic fail result just makes it a little more enjoyable. See, you built yourself up as a well liked trustworthy guy here. On the other hand I built myself up as a mean pragmatic jerk. Clearly my path leads to far more fun enemies! Don't you wish you had someone so enamored of you that they'd spend so much of their wealth to bring you incredible enjoyment? To keep this on topic, perhaps this should be yet another category of "top list". -How much money have you caused someone to lose out of anger directed at you. Shadarle - Danari - 1b vs 10b in market pvp losses.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2008.08.29 08:17:00 - [102] Originally by: Shadarle To keep this on topic, perhaps this should be yet another category of "top list". -How much money have you caused someone to lose out of anger directed at you. Shadarle - Danari - 1b vs 10b in market pvp losses. Since I spend the majority of my eve time PvPing, I'm confident I can beat your meagre 10b in inflicted losses! My kill:loss isk ratio is about 8:1, although my kb seems to value faction/deadspace items rather low so I think it's probably a bit better than that in reality.
Danari Syncore	Posted - 2008.08.29 08:36:00 - [103] Still paying 100mil per for the location of target towers.
Danari Syncore	Posted - 2008.08.29 08:47:00 - [104] Originally by: Bad Bobby Since I spend the majority of my eve time PvPing, I'm confident I can beat your meagre 10b in inflicted losses! My kill:loss isk ratio is about 8:1, although my kb seems to value faction/deadspace items rather low so I think it's probably a bit better than that in reality. Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Call it a loss, call it expense, I'd suicide a Magnum Gold into a target tower to make it blow before I'd let it gather dust in a hangar. If it doesn't project power it has no value.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.29 09:32:00 - [105] Originally by: Danari If it doesn't project power it has no value. From his own mouth, we now know the value of Danari. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2008.08.29 09:42:00 - [106] Originally by: Danari Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Strangely, I don't pvp with my industrial alts. Call me soft, but I find it far too difficult to kill the enemy in my Charon!
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.08.29 10:38:00 - [107] Originally by: Bad Bobby Call me soft, but I find it far too difficult to kill the enemy in my Charon! Your not doing it right.... :P --
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:48:00 - [108] Originally by: Danari Still paying 100mil per for the location of target towers. Is it possible for me to collect this reward if I give away the locations myself? I am looking for some more fun and may just give out a few of my other locations. I'll leave a few for you to try to find on your own though, just to keep the fun there for you too.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:14:00 - [109] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Danari Still paying 100mil per for the location of target towers. Is it possible for me to collect this reward if I give away the locations myself? I am looking for some more fun and may just give out a few of my other locations. I'll leave a few for you to try to find on your own though, just to keep the fun there for you too. If he says no to you. I would be more than happy to act as your agent in this for a small 5% cut of the reward. Of course I would use some alt, to sell him the information. Although if he is willing to **** away 10b for the towers he already destroyed, I would think he should be willing to pay a bit more than 100m/per. Maybe we can haggle him up to 250m/per? --
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.08.29 20:02:00 - [110] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Ricdics Interesting that Danari said his approximate Net Worth was around 30b. It would seem he spent over 30% of his value in his war effort. No-one I know puts that much dedication into destroying me . The epic fail result just makes it a little more enjoyable. See, you built yourself up as a well liked trustworthy guy here. On the other hand I built myself up as a mean pragmatic jerk. Clearly my path leads to far more fun enemies! Don't you wish you had someone so enamored of you that they'd spend so much of their wealth to bring you incredible enjoyment? To keep this on topic, perhaps this should be yet another category of "top list". -How much money have you caused someone to lose out of anger directed at you. Shadarle - Danari - 1b vs 10b in market pvp losses. I do have to agree Ric, Shad has a much better fail nemesis in Danari than you have in YGR
Danari Syncore	Posted - 2008.08.29 20:41:00 - [111] Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Danari Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Strangely, I don't pvp with my industrial alts. And the anonymity of your pvp main strangely coincides with the unpublished isk values of industrialists: You preserve the facade of having a big one amongst those that actually do.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.08.29 20:47:00 - [112] Originally by: Danari Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Danari Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Strangely, I don't pvp with my industrial alts. And the anonymity of your pvp main strangely coincides with the unpublished isk values of industrialists: You preserve the facade of having a big one amongst those that actually do. ...Freud was right
Danari Syncore	Posted - 2008.08.29 20:53:00 - [113] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Danari Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Danari Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Strangely, I don't pvp with my industrial alts. And the anonymity of your pvp main strangely coincides with the unpublished isk values of industrialists: You preserve the facade of having a big one amongst those that actually do. ...Freud was right I'm comfortable with having giant stones with an average schnackle.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:56:00 - [114] Originally by: Danari Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Danari Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Strangely, I don't pvp with my industrial alts. And the anonymity of your pvp main strangely coincides with the unpublished isk values of industrialists: You preserve the facade of having a big one amongst those that actually do. You say that like I have to defend my PvP credentials on this forum
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.30 00:10:00 - [115] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Ricdics Interesting that Danari said his approximate Net Worth was around 30b. It would seem he spent over 30% of his value in his war effort. No-one I know puts that much dedication into destroying me . The epic fail result just makes it a little more enjoyable. See, you built yourself up as a well liked trustworthy guy here. On the other hand I built myself up as a mean pragmatic jerk. Clearly my path leads to far more fun enemies! Don't you wish you had someone so enamored of you that they'd spend so much of their wealth to bring you incredible enjoyment? To keep this on topic, perhaps this should be yet another category of "top list". -How much money have you caused someone to lose out of anger directed at you. Shadarle - Danari - 1b vs 10b in market pvp losses. I do have to agree Ric, Shad has a much better fail nemesis in Danari than you have in YGR You have to admit it is more fun to be evil than good, because good is dumb.
ImUrDestiny Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:35:00 - [116] Originally by: Mike'P In the real world, rich people grow richer at the expense of poor people. This kind of Marxist bullshit simply isnt true. With beliefs like that i'm sure you will be poor irl for the rest of your life, gl with that.
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:06:00 - [117] You guys have no clue how much isk I have rapped up in rifters across known space! If I gather then up and sell the bunch I bet I can crash the market. We might be talking alot of billions.
Danari Syncore	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:09:00 - [118] Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Danari Originally by: Bad Bobby Originally by: Danari Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Strangely, I don't pvp with my industrial alts. And the anonymity of your pvp main strangely coincides with the unpublished isk values of industrialists: You preserve the facade of having a big one amongst those that actually do. You say that like I have to defend my PvP credentials on this forum I'd lay odds you hide behind your alt in cnp and caod too. It's your mo.
Nanetha	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:19:00 - [119] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Shadarle I like 1-2 mins max of updating things and I'm done. But I'm sure there is still profit in it. I'm going to have to call "bullshit" on this statement. Given the super laggy nature of the wallet and market interface it takes two minutes just to open the darned things. Then there is "view market" on your orders, wait for sellers to update then wait for it to update buyers, then check, if modify you will have to wait for both sellers and buyers to update before you can even move on to the next thing to check. So unless you are working totally through others, who do all of your buying and selling for you, it takes more than 1 - 2 minutes. {I've got a comfortable 6 inch pecker, I don't need to add anymore to it as not only am I satisified with it... it's the only one I'm gonna have. Same thing with this "I spend 5 minutes in eve and make billions" bullshit. Stop adding inches where you don't need them, yeesh.} Clear your cache, makes it alot faster.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:09:00 - [120] Originally by: Danari Hope you got a main, 'cause your victims have posted no kills by you on BattleClinic. Meanwhile my victims (I don't post kills there) have posted 80bil in losses. Originally by: Danari And the anonymity of your pvp main strangely coincides with the unpublished isk values of industrialists: You preserve the facade of having a big one amongst those that actually do. Originally by: Danari I'd lay odds you hide behind your alt in cnp and caod too. It's your mo. I'm wondering where all this hostility towards me comes from. Or do you just choose people at random to fling insults at?

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