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Inoshuu Caldari Lance Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.23 05:46:00 - [1] Edited by: Inoshuu on 23/08/2008 05:47:35 I'm looking at putting together a list of 100 richest char in the universe, much similar to Forture's 100 richest person in the world list. I probably would do is collect everyone's estimated wealth along with the industry they work in. And no, this does not count the corporation net worth, sorry eve bank ;) Eg: 1. Aeon Lance - Weapons Manufacturing - Estimated 7.8 billion. Is anyone interested in doing something like this? Need weapons? Ammo? All at less than market price? Lance Heavy Industries
Inoshuu Caldari Lance Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.23 05:46:00 - [2] Reserved Need weapons? Ammo? All at less than market price? Lance Heavy Industries
Inoshuu Caldari Lance Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.23 05:51:00 - [3] Reserved Need weapons? Ammo? All at less than market price? Lance Heavy Industries
Martosh Toma Gallente Fraction Investment	Posted - 2008.08.23 06:06:00 - [4] How do you plan to get reliable data?
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 06:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Martosh Toma How do you plan to get reliable data? There really is no way short of logging into a char and going through all their assets or joining a corp if all of the assets are in that corp locked down. Even so, it seems this would be mostly based on trusting what people say. So obviously it will be flawed.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 06:44:00 - [6] Just because I find it interesting I'll post my alt's estimated ISK value based on my records. Give or take whatever is in my sell orders on my alt, he has: Shadarl - Trader - $28,156,213,797.73 (this is precise to wallet + assets + escrow, sell orders not counted). Since I just use him to test out markets I don't mind giving out his data. I could actually give out specific wealth values on him for 574 days, at which point he had $422,967,012.90. Unfortunately I didn't keep track since I funded him with his 100 mil seed money, started a week in or so. I doubt I'll list my full wealth though for Shadarle, I'd just be accused of ego-stroking and the like by some, lying by others, and laughed at by those that have even more. I also doubt too many people will post their wealth here.
Kushion Anti Sweden Defense Force Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.08.23 07:33:00 - [7] I have 407b isk. Honest. -- Taggart Transdimensional corporation - \| Capitalism \| Objectivism \| 0.0 \| No taxes \| No mandatory ops \| Join channel TAGGART for more
Salisuka Caldari 98.4	Posted - 2008.08.23 07:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Kushion I have 407b isk. Honest. I'm sure you were trying to be funny but it's posts like these that make MD look like CAOD. Please stop. Good effort by the OP even if you won't get a lot of true information. I'd post how much I was worth but a few billion on your main is not something to boast about.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.08.23 08:17:00 - [9] lol @ the OP Those who are REALLY rich in eve wont go telling you exactly how rich they are. Especially not the top 100. I also think you would be surprised how many ppl are rich by your implied definition of 7.8b. I think of myself, as upper middle or lower upper class. If i liquidated everything I could afford a ok faction fitted titan, and I dont really consider that "rich" for an individual, in eve. --
Ricdics Corporate Placement Holding	Posted - 2008.08.23 09:00:00 - [10] Approx 3 billion isk would be my personal value. Before EBANK my personal value was probably closer to about 30b, but this has diminished over the past year mostly in GTC's and a pet project I took training up 5 dedicated accounts in an operation I never ended up finishing. Also a few expensive faction fit CNR's/Golems that I lost either in PvP or falling asleep during missions. Up until now I haven't been earning anything, just living off my old wealth. Still, I have always been able to buy everything I wanted. I have never been interested in super caps or anything like that so I have had no reason to earn my own isk, rather put focus on these operations. Even if EBANK was in the picture with this Fortune 100 thing I still doubt it would be in the top 20. I have a couple of mates who have NAV's easily surpassing 700b and god knows what Khatred and Entity's NAV is (could calculate Entity's one relatively close as he has a website listing all his unique stuff)
Mangold Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.08.23 09:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Inoshuu Eg: 1. Aeon Lance - Weapons Manufacturing - Estimated 7.8 billion. You've got to be kidding. 7.8 B isn't rich. Even I have more than that and I consider myself rather poor.
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.23 09:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Inoshuu Edited by: Inoshuu on 23/08/2008 05:47:35 I'm looking at putting together a list of 100 richest char in the universe, much similar to Forture's 100 richest person in the world list. I probably would do is collect everyone's estimated wealth along with the industry they work in. And no, this does not count the corporation net worth, sorry eve bank ;) Eg: 1. Aeon Lance - Weapons Manufacturing - Estimated 7.8 billion. Is anyone interested in doing something like this? This could be properly made only if people gave you their API keys, then you could check their real wealth. Without that there is no way to make such list in Eve.
ninjaholic Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.23 10:11:00 - [13] Well CCP would be able to access this information easily. They'd just need the consent of the players involved to post up that data. SUPPORT EVE-O's OWN IN-GAME FIGHT RECORD TOOL !!
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.23 10:42:00 - [14] 110 bil give or take. But I know of guys who have more then 600... so there probably be guys with over 1000 bil... ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
McRuder Gallente Quality Dogfood	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:04:00 - [15] If you can count it, its not enough.
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:20:00 - [16] Edited by: Benedic on 23/08/2008 11:22:26 1-1000 RMT farmer holding accounts. 1001-1050 Lucky, Smart T2 Lottery winners 1051-1300 Plex exploiters who didn't blow it all
Mr Horizontal Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.23 12:40:00 - [17] It'd be an innacurate measure to see how much total they have, because what matters is how much ISK you make per month, not what you have. Plus calculating true NAV is a PITA, especially for those who don't need to report it. I have tried to very roughly guesstimate the total value of ISK potentially rolling in the 'secondary market', and my guess a very wild ballpark of being somewhere in the region of 5-12 trillion ISK. It's a wide margin of error, because I only have knowledge of 3 people with multi-trillion ISK wallet balances, and strongly suspect there are more, which skews the total value massively. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Inoshuu Caldari Lance Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.23 13:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Inoshuu Eg: 1. Aeon Lance - Weapons Manufacturing - Estimated 7.8 billion. You've got to be kidding. 7.8 B isn't rich. Even I have more than that and I consider myself rather poor. 7.8 billion was fake number, just to throw up an example. Of course I know that's nothing compared to players who's been playing few years longer. Yeah, most people here are right, I wouldn't be able to get reliable figure. Perhaps I should shorten the list to top 10 or something based on how much they have in their wallet? Need weapons? Ammo? All at less than market price? Lance Heavy Industries
Mr Horizontal Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.23 13:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Inoshuu Perhaps I should shorten the list to top 10 or something based on how much they have in their wallet? They will never tell you. Period. Rich person: "Hey everyone I have over 100b in my wallet!" Pirate: "..." <next week> Rich person "Hey you b'stards why don't you let me undock!" Pirate: "100b or die." Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.23 14:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Ricdics Up until now I haven't been earning anything, just living off my old wealth. {...} Still, I have always been able to buy everything I wanted. I have never been interested in super caps or anything like that so I have had no reason to earn my own isk, rather put focus on these operations. This. I'm currently getting my market jollies by mentoring others. There in lies an added level of difficulty. Not just knowing how to work the market but to be able to express it clearly and concisely enough for complete market tyros to be successful. (And I'm not pointing to specific things - just sharing philosophies and insights.) It is hard to say how much I am worth. There are a few investments that I have that are 100% secured (by assets) so counting them would be safe however I do have a number of investments that make it hard to say what I own. In liquid isk: about 500M or so. I hate being a passive isk sink so I utilize my funds in either sponsoring someone else (via investment), speculative market purchasing/hoarding, and the weird or insane project or two. (Weird/insane to me, I'm finding that even in those things there is competition!) With assets, and secured investments, ... ... about 20 billion. Ironically enough, I'm very much like Ricdic. Isk is not what excites me though I'm not adverse to gaining some. There are other things in Eve that isk can't buy and I spend my eve "fun" time on that.
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.23 16:12:00 - [21] Trillions are the new billions. Which also makes billions the new millions. Yeah, even if people agreed to be featured on an ISK epeen list it'd be real hard to figure out true asset value. Is a hyperion deep in 0.0 worth more or less than jita buy orders? What's the value of a T2 small smartbomb BPO? Do armies of high SP alts count in the NAV? And so on. I'd be very interested in knowing my approximate asset value, but I'm sure I don't want any of YOU to know it.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 16:28:00 - [22] Most rich people know exactly how rich they are, because they keep track of things. They know exactly which BPO's they own and they know their approximate market value. I've known my exact net worth for over two years and from what I've heard from other players they do the same. If you don't know what you have you will be far less successful in knowing where to go next. You need to know how much money you've got tied up in different things to know the percentage those things are making you. So you can properly place your money in the most profitable areas. Random guessing may work for a while, but it will never keep up with someone who knows exactly what works the best. A lot of people would be amazed how much more money you make once you start tracking everything. It's a major difference.
Khalina Drakona	Posted - 2008.08.23 18:13:00 - [23] 350 Mil 750 Mil if you count investments MAYBE 1 bil if you throw in iskies invested in the market And if you throw in personal assets/ships etc eh maybe 2.5-3 bil. YEAH! I'M...poor. The sad thing is, I didn't realize I had so much until I started figuring up the prices in my head.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech	Posted - 2008.08.23 18:34:00 - [24] Isk wise you would laugh. Probalby under 5bil isk total between all my accounts. Then I own about 7bil in current stocks and 20bil in bonds that is probably gone now. 12 Characters all with 10mil + skill points some with 60 and 70mil. All my accounts paid with time cards up until January 2009, and then probably about 50bil in actual Assets. Honestly I would say about 120bil isk total, but that could be off 30bil one way or the other since I am honestly to lazy to look. I am probably not even near the top 100 :) Earn Isk on your Idle Isk Today!
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.08.23 19:29:00 - [25] If you make the list using the API key to check wallet balance and count wealth that way just use the first 100 (or 10) people that come to you and make that the list. People will then try to beat it and the rich people may come forward purely to satisfy their ego (most probably wont) but you'll still have a list of the top 10 (public) richest people in EvE thats accurate -----------------
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 20:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Saint Lazarus If you make the list using the API key to check wallet balance and count wealth that way just use the first 100 (or 10) people that come to you and make that the list. People will then try to beat it and the rich people may come forward purely to satisfy their ego (most probably wont) but you'll still have a list of the top 10 (public) richest people in EvE thats accurate I agree that you shouldn't worry about it being the actual top 10 or 100, instead make it the top 10 or 100 publicly rich people. If people want to keep it private then that is their own choice. But there is no way to check this with API key as that is only ISK on hand which is a rather useless number. The richest people have a majority of their wealth in their assets. Be it motherships, titans, bpo's, etc.
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.23 21:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Shadarle A lot of people would be amazed how much more money you make once you start tracking everything. It's a major difference. And I'm a big believer in worrying about the big picture and not sweating the details. I can tell you exactly where each asset worth >= 1B is and roughly how profitable it is on any one day. But total worth? Absolutely not. I'd spend all my time trying to figure out if station X has 20 type-n thermic hardeners or 40. Need to produce from a BPO worth less than 5M? No problem, just buy one on the way in. Hell, my current station has a freighterload of meta 3 and 4 loot from me trying to rat up faction spawns. How much is it worth? Well, ^A->reprocess gets me about 3 tier2 battleships worth so let's call it 280M. In Jita I'd guestimate around 3B. Out here where a 100k shield boost amp goes from between a third of a mil and a mil and people keep buying out warp stabs for 150k a pop it's anyone's guess. I've even done things like find maelstroms I made for a long forgotten reason or type-B gist MWDs I ratted up while bored and waiting for a production run to finish. Sure, if my inventory consisted of a relatively small number of high ticket items I would know where I stand. But my inventory is mountains upon mountains of meltable crap, minerals and borderline worthless faction items not worth counting with until there's a freighterload of them. I count AFTER I sell.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 22:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Clair Bear Originally by: Shadarle A lot of people would be amazed how much more money you make once you start tracking everything. It's a major difference. And I'm a big believer in worrying about the big picture and not sweating the details. I can tell you exactly where each asset worth >= 1B is and roughly how profitable it is on any one day. But total worth? Absolutely not. I'd spend all my time trying to figure out if station X has 20 type-n thermic hardeners or 40. Need to produce from a BPO worth less than 5M? No problem, just buy one on the way in. Hell, my current station has a freighterload of meta 3 and 4 loot from me trying to rat up faction spawns. How much is it worth? Well, ^A->reprocess gets me about 3 tier2 battleships worth so let's call it 280M. In Jita I'd guestimate around 3B. Out here where a 100k shield boost amp goes from between a third of a mil and a mil and people keep buying out warp stabs for 150k a pop it's anyone's guess. I've even done things like find maelstroms I made for a long forgotten reason or type-B gist MWDs I ratted up while bored and waiting for a production run to finish. Sure, if my inventory consisted of a relatively small number of high ticket items I would know where I stand. But my inventory is mountains upon mountains of meltable crap, minerals and borderline worthless faction items not worth counting with until there's a freighterload of them. I count AFTER I sell. I completely agree with your point. I don't sweat the small stuff either. I don't track any of the BPO's I own that aren't what I consider major ticket items. Thus Capital BPO's, T2 BPO's, BS/BC BPO's, etc. I don't even track most of my POS items, like all the guns and arrays and refineries and such. Not worth the trouble to track items less than 100 mil in most cases. But I do track daily my wallet + escrow amounts, that is very important for me to know. It allows me to see where I am and what is/isn't working. At this point I basically know which items are generating the profit each day, but early on I'd examine my transactions daily to determine where my profit came from. It made a huge difference in allowing me to define where to spend my time and what to stop wasting time with. Amazingly enough producing Ravens, for example, was a MASSIVE time sink. It was worth almost nothing compared to all the other activities I performed. I produced ravens for months before realizing this, way too many looking back. Turns out they were yielding a pitiful return. Which is about the same time I first learned Danari made his living off Raven's. Thus the major reason he hates me, I pointed out how poor they were profit wise to him. He still holds that grudge to this day. But I'd still be in a low income activity like he is if I didn't keep track of my assets and profits closely.
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.08.23 22:47:00 - [29] Quote: I post the following as an Individual and not representative of EBANK, BSA, either organizations members or their affiliates. I doubt the top 10 or 100 people would even bother coming forth. When you have that much wealth you don't care if people know it or not. Only people who advertize their wealth are just well off and not as rich as the real top 10 Amarr for Life
Roguehalo Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.23 23:16:00 - [30] Much more interesting question is at what point did you lose serious interest in making more isk? For me it happened at about 15b.

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