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Terra Mikael
I Am Not A Lawyer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:18:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
grats and all that jazz but STOP POSTING THESE THREADS JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE
This.
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.
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Joachim Kato
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:19:00 -
[62]
LMAO!!!1 @ these tardz....
Kwedaras was grinding for that kill for the last 2 months or so - he was stalking the dude, watching his contracts daily, watching the guy's movement daily, scanning his setups and shit like that daily. That kill was very well planned and executed. How do I know it? Well he was talking about that CNR back when that guy was flying ridiculously pimped out drake (I beleive 5 or 6 billion isk worth) with me day to day, telling how that guy is pimping out his ship inna unheard of ******ed fashion.
Stop being d-bags - the lad used game mechanics to achieve smth interesting unlike mindless isk grinding, you guys are doing. Thats what he's doing - pwning bears and unaware tardz. Everyone and his grandma's cat petitioned the guy, he was even banned, cuz some bears whined about their precious modules, but GMs unbanned him and refunded him time for the ban, cuz everything he did was according game mechanics, they event tweaked his method of killing bears (forced him to change that method a bit).
You, whiners, are so pathethic - why do you play this game at all? If you have problems parting with your *cough*e-bayed*cough* stuff why don't you play Civilization or smth where you can save and load your progress?
Geeeez.... Gimme a break.... 
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Tarron Sarik
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:46:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Tarron Sarik on 27/08/2008 11:50:11
Originally by: Joachim Kato
LMAO!!!1 @ these tardz....
Kwedaras was grinding for that kill for the last 2 months or so - he was stalking the dude, watching his contracts daily, watching the guy's movement daily, scanning his setups and shit like that daily. That kill was very well planned and executed. How do I know it? Well he was talking about that CNR back when that guy was flying ridiculously pimped out drake (I beleive 5 or 6 billion isk worth) with me day to day, telling how that guy is pimping out his ship inna unheard of ******ed fashion.
Stop being d-bags - the lad used game mechanics to achieve smth interesting unlike mindless isk grinding, you guys are doing. Thats what he's doing - pwning bears and unaware tardz. Everyone and his grandma's cat petitioned the guy, he was even banned, cuz some bears whined about their precious modules, but GMs unbanned him and refunded him time for the ban, cuz everything he did was according game mechanics, they event tweaked his method of killing bears (forced him to change that method a bit).
You, whiners, are so pathethic - why do you play this game at all? If you have problems parting with your *cough*e-bayed*cough* stuff why don't you play Civilization or smth where you can save and load your progress?
Geeeez.... Gimme a break....
Who's the d-bag you rules lawyer...? Looking for loopholes to exploit so you can gain an unfair (yes, that is the word) advantage over others.
Do I commend this *cough* coward *cough* for his hard work at finding a target? Yes, but abusing the game mechanics is just an exploit - period. Stop trying to proclaim your PvP uberness if all you do is use a loophole in the mechanics to run and hide and keep others from retaliating. You call it good game play, I call it cheating. Exploiting loopholes in any other game would be called that also.
Oh, I forgot. EVE is "special" for guys like you, isn't it? I forgot, it's YOUR game, not ours.
So sorry. 
EDIT: And the whole idea of recycling alts and corps is just a mistake. I say it again, do you want to give the carebears the chance to jump ship to alt corps like you do? Next thing you know, we all have an endless cycle of useless alt corps and the game loses a lot of it's character. But then a rules lawyer like yourself and the exploiter OP don't care about the outcome - just your killmails and e-peen. Pathetic.
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Evanga
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:42:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Tarron Sarik
Edited by: Tarron Sarik on 27/08/2008 11:50:11
Originally by: Joachim Kato
LMAO!!!1 @ these tardz....
Kwedaras was grinding for that kill for the last 2 months or so - he was stalking the dude, watching his contracts daily, watching the guy's movement daily, scanning his setups and shit like that daily. That kill was very well planned and executed. How do I know it? Well he was talking about that CNR back when that guy was flying ridiculously pimped out drake (I beleive 5 or 6 billion isk worth) with me day to day, telling how that guy is pimping out his ship inna unheard of ******ed fashion.
Stop being d-bags - the lad used game mechanics to achieve smth interesting unlike mindless isk grinding, you guys are doing. Thats what he's doing - pwning bears and unaware tardz. Everyone and his grandma's cat petitioned the guy, he was even banned, cuz some bears whined about their precious modules, but GMs unbanned him and refunded him time for the ban, cuz everything he did was according game mechanics, they event tweaked his method of killing bears (forced him to change that method a bit).
You, whiners, are so pathethic - why do you play this game at all? If you have problems parting with your *cough*e-bayed*cough* stuff why don't you play Civilization or smth where you can save and load your progress?
Geeeez.... Gimme a break....
Who's the d-bag you rules lawyer...? Looking for loopholes to exploit so you can gain an unfair (yes, that is the word) advantage over others.
Do I commend this *cough* coward *cough* for his hard work at finding a target? Yes, but abusing the game mechanics is just an exploit - period. Stop trying to proclaim your PvP uberness if all you do is use a loophole in the mechanics to run and hide and keep others from retaliating. You call it good game play, I call it cheating. Exploiting loopholes in any other game would be called that also.
Oh, I forgot. EVE is "special" for guys like you, isn't it? I forgot, it's YOUR game, not ours.
So sorry.
EDIT: And the whole idea of recycling alts and corps is just a mistake. I say it again, do you want to give the carebears the chance to jump ship to alt corps like you do? Next thing you know, we all have an endless cycle of useless alt corps and the game loses a lot of it's character. But then a rules lawyer like yourself and the exploiter OP don't care about the outcome - just your killmails and e-peen. Pathetic.
I salute you Sir :)
so true.
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ClogMan
Caldari
Unknown-Heroes
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:06:00 -
[65]
Quote:
exploit notification
reported by GM Grimmi | 2008.08.26 15:38:53 | NEW
The practice of insta-joining/leaving warring corporations for the purpose of surprising war targets, or getting them in trouble with CONCORD, is considered an exploit from here on. Reports of this will be investigated on a case by case basis and warnings will be issued at the discretion of the GM. Repeated incidents may result in bans on accounts involved.
Fixed.
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Joachim Kato
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:11:00 -
[66]
Dude just told he's showing CCCP the holes in thier game with NPC corps and crap alike. Why would he wanna fight blob if every second bear just jumps to npc corp after a dec? Don't be rediculous, m8. 
He found the target, gathered info, made preparations, killed him (like his copmates couldnt blob him, so don't gimme that bullcrap about no danger gank), left corp and hes invincible. Now you wanna blame a dude for using valid game tactics? Why don't you blame me for undocking, then docking and loging off for a night? I mean it's sorta a feature of the game too....
Why random dude can jump to npc corp to avoid war and another random dude can't for the very same reason, "Mr. Attorney"?
He got objective to earn isk of the demise of some lad and did that without violating EULA and then he just left corp and went minding his own business.
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Joachim Kato
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:18:00 -
[67]
Originally by: ClogMan
Quote:
exploit notification
reported by GM Grimmi | 2008.08.26 15:38:53 | NEW
The practice of insta-joining/leaving warring corporations for the purpose of surprising war targets, or getting them in trouble with CONCORD, is considered an exploit from here on. Reports of this will be investigated on a case by case basis and warnings will be issued at the discretion of the GM. Repeated incidents may result in bans on accounts involved.
Fixed.
LMAO
What's next? Ban guys for locking a dude and baslting him outta his ship? Come on that crap has to stop - now CCCP are nerfing not only ships, mods etc., but ways to earn isk too (lofty, now this).
I remember reading smth like - "EVE is a cold and cruel world....".
EVE Kitty Online - with the nano nurf patch or whatever goes next, you could do that starting screen pink for better immersion of what's happening atm.
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Oli Robbo
Gallente
Galactic Defence Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:18:00 -
[68]
Surely the term 'WAR DEC' should be enough of a sufficent message that you can be attacked at any time during that period ?
or am I just using common sense too much? 
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Joachim Kato
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 13:30:00 -
[69]
CCCP keeps nerfing everything what whiners want them to nurf and thats a bit sad really. Well, guess tahts called customer feedback or smth.... 
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Tarron Sarik
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:01:00 -
[70]
Both of you learn to read, please.
First, I am comparing this tactic to the carebear habit of corp swapping to avoid a war dec. BOTH are exploits, IMO. I don't agree with the notion of disposable corps.
Second, the problem I have with this exploiter's tactics is not that he attacked. It is not that he found a rich target and killed him. It is that IMMEDIATELY after killing the target he drops back into an NPC corp to hide.
THAT is an exploit. It is also not a "war."
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Joachim Kato
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:08:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Joachim Kato on 27/08/2008 14:09:44
Originally by: Tarron Sarik
Both of you learn to read, please.
First, I am comparing this tactic to the carebear habit of corp swapping to avoid a war dec. BOTH are exploits, IMO. I don't agree with the notion of disposable corps.
Second, the problem I have with this exploiter's tactics is not that he attacked. It is not that he found a rich target and killed him. It is that IMMEDIATELY after killing the target he drops back into an NPC corp to hide.
THAT is an exploit. It is also not a "war."
What if he'd quit for npc corp in say 2 days? Wouldn't that be an exploit in yer book?
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Nahnil
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:15:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Tarron Sarik
Oh, I forgot. EVE is "special" for guys like you, isn't it? I forgot, it's YOUR game, not ours.
Judging by the amount of tears that some people produce because of a single kill or loss, this statement is pretty much correct in it's second half.
To the OP, nice work, it's just I twitched seeing dhp... I mean come on. 
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Mediastinum
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:16:00 -
[73]
It's interesting to read how the players that utilize this mechanic to kill someone, and then leave to an NPC corp to avoid retaliation, publicly state that leaving a war dec'd corp to avoid fighting is an exploit itself, and that people who do so are cowards.
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Nahnil
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.27 14:44:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Mediastinum
(...)and that people who do so are cowards.
But those people dont get to kill billions upon billions worth of caldri navy ravens before they pull off their thing do they.
You could call it lame, but it made him a really one of a time kill and I'm presonally happy for the guy. Especially seeing the victim's age and so on. It's certainly less lame than logging off a freighter before uncloaking after jump, or any of the (too) numerous ways of avoiding fight or death in eve.
He could have used a normal t2 (in his case t1 )fitted raven for the duration of the war, SMART people tend to take precautions when handling VERY expensive things in their posession. And being war decced would be a good reason to take care, not with plain BS after weeks of nothing happening but with that .... thing intelligent guy would be careful for sure. But since the person in question apparently isnt very smart and pretty much can take a blame for his loss I cant get to symapthise with him really. |
KeLLaX
HUNLAR the Almighty
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:58:00 -
[75]
Originally by: splintercellxxx
first of lets get the picture straight.
he made a noob account 4 weeks ago and war decced the alliance.
for 4 weeks he kept the war dec going and seeing it was a 1 man corp wich was a few days old (as old as the war) more and more people became les and les watchfull.
this morning he probably found the cnr he scanned out 4 weeks ago in a mission and he moved his char to the system and placed the hq there.
then he joined the corp at 08:02 and probably undocked and warped to his prober and at 08:05 the cnr was down.
now im all ok with the complete kill but the 24 hour rule was made to keep this kind of things out of the question (aka people can stash there mission boats and get geared up for the war)
now this is most likely his way of making isk in this game but the way its done is just not done.
(and it wouldn't suprise me when we log back in the game he left the corp again and goes and find a new target)
hey if a person is smart enough to pull this off, there is not much to do but to say 'respect!' :) lol
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Oli Robbo
Gallente
Galactic Defence Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:01:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Oli Robbo on 28/08/2008 13:03:39
Originally by: Tarron Sarik
Both of you learn to read, please.
First, I am comparing this tactic to the carebear habit of corp swapping to avoid a war dec. BOTH are exploits, IMO. I don't agree with the notion of disposable corps.
Second, the problem I have with this exploiter's tactics is not that he attacked. It is not that he found a rich target and killed him. It is that IMMEDIATELY after killing the target he drops back into an NPC corp to hide.
THAT is an exploit. It is also not a "war." My Life is full of FAIL blah blah blah
I think you should 'learn to read' At no point did I argue that it was/was not an exploit. I was stating that the guy should have used the brain that he was given to acknowledge the fact that he can be attacked at any time...
It is still a war even if they guy did use an exploit in the end, fact.
CCP has now recognised the exploit and as far as the OP, i take my hat off to him. I just wish that I could have thought of it before he did.
And tbh on a side note, If i were CCP, i wouldn't be questioning the OP, i would be questioning the 4month old player with over 20b worth of ship...
Edit.. poor spelling 
something wrong screams out to me there...
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:19:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Mediastinum
It's interesting to read how the players that utilize this mechanic to kill someone, and then leave to an NPC corp to avoid retaliation, publicly state that leaving a war dec'd corp to avoid fighting is an exploit itself, and that people who do so are cowards.
Corp hopping to avoid war decs was petitioned and ruled legal despite many arguments against it. What kwed and others were doing is the natural evolution.
The really interesting part is that corp hopping to pursue wars is an exploit, yet corp hopping to avoid wars is not.
The PVP solution is actually quite simple. Run >1 alt corp all with active wars that you hop between. Dont go to NPC corp where you become invincible.
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Joachim Kato
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.08.28 22:55:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Dire Radiant
Corp hopping to avoid war decs was petitioned and ruled legal despite many arguments against it. What kwed and others were doing is the natural evolution.
The really interesting part is that corp hopping to pursue wars is an exploit, yet corp hopping to avoid wars is not.
This.
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Johncrab
Minmatar
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.28 23:16:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Johncrab on 28/08/2008 23:16:46
Originally by: Tarron Sarik
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He didn't engage in PvP - he ganked and ran - ...
QFT
To the op, congrats on a well planned and executed strike. And very profitable. But very lame that you just ran out of corp to avoid a counter strike. Smart move but lame. |
Tarron Sarik
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Posted - 2008.08.29 00:43:00 -
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The problem with all of this is corp hopping. Corp hopping to avoid a war dec is also an exploit, IMO. This guy just took it all to new heights with disposable characters and disposable corps. Ya, that is EXACTLY what this game needs...
The problem is that it is too damn easy to swap corps - by anyone. It is too damn easy to make and keep a corp active. Look at all the dead corps out there with only 1 member. They clog up the system. Maybe the solution is to make it more expensive to create and operate a corp? I know this will be met by howls of protest by many, but really, if a one-day old toon can make a corp, then maybe there is something wrong with the system...?
The idea of a one-man corp is kind of laughable anyways IMO. I wouldn't be against the idea of membership quotas - something like 5-10 active characters to stay registered as an active corp. I don't really know what the ramifications of this might be, but it might just be good for the game.
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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:13:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Nahnil
He could have used a normal t2 (in his case t1 [:lol:
)fitted raven for the duration of the war, SMART people tend to take precautions when handling VERY expensive things in their posession. And being war decced would be a good reason to take care, not with plain BS after weeks of nothing happening but with that .... thing intelligent guy would be careful for sure. But since the person in question apparently isnt very smart and pretty much can take a blame for his loss I cant get to symapthise with him really.
I'll be honest. I've used this same tactic too. (Although not jumped back to another corp within minutes, just tried to kick start some anger in the war by taking a valuable first target down.)
That said, I can't agree with what you say here at all.
There's a world of difference between knowing you're war dec'd by a corp that is actively going to come looking for you at some point, or could do so potentially as you watch their numbers and membership and a single someone (alt) sat in a corp, prolonging a war for weeks on end just because it's ridiculously cheap per week to do so.
There should be a 24 hour limit to being able to participate in a war aswell as the same rule of 24 hours to lose a war dec by leaving a corp.
Otherwise all that will happen is due to the paltry sum of cost incurred, more of these fake wars will be declared, most missioners will leave their corps and start new ones, more and more corp names will die and new ones will spring up in their place and theres no real point to that.
I'm by no means a carebear, nor think that people should be able to easily dodge wars. It just seems too easy to pay for war decs given that money in this game really isn't that hard to come by now and a different system needs to be employed to make the war mechanic truly work, both protecting and exposing both parties to necessary risk.
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Orar Ironfist
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:05:00 -
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OP you rule....good gank and nice tactic. You can count onmme as a fan if you continue to fine new and inventive ways to kill bears when they least expect it 
To the whiners your all lame and he used a valid tactic, get over yourselfs and just dont use that much isk on one ship.
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.31 10:14:00 -
[83]
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/08/2008 15:42:24
Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/08/2008 15:12:14
god, thats just
arggh
how much money did this kid freaking spend on a damned game? honestly
im going to attempt at math:
30 day time cards go for AROUND 150mil last i checked, they cost what 15 IRL dollars?
you said just the invulerability fields cost 4 bil, and this loser bought them for 5.5 bil
so thats 11billion just on the invulerability fields
that is approximatly 73 time codes
thats about 1095 IRL dollars spent on ONE SINGLE internet spaceshiP
doesnt even include the other officer crap he had on it
im going to log into game and check how much this loser has spent, ill be back in a few minutes w/ an update
EDIT: fixed a plural where it wasnt needed
$150 dollars if you buy isk illeagaly. now you see why people do it despite the risks.
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People come to lowsec > pirates blow them up > they don't come to lowsec again > pirates complain not enough people for them to blow up in lowsec. |
Jones Maloy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.31 10:26:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Joachim Kato
CCCP keeps nerfing everything what whiners want them to nurf and thats a bit sad really. Well, guess tahts called customer feedback or smth....
last i checked the soviet union wasn't running eve-online
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People come to lowsec > pirates blow them up > they don't come to lowsec again > pirates complain not enough people for them to blow up in lowsec. |
Jones Maloy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.31 10:33:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Tarron Sarik
The idea of a one-man corp is kind of laughable anyways IMO. I wouldn't be against the idea of membership quotas - something like 5-10 active characters to stay registered as an active corp. I don't really know what the ramifications of this might be, but it might just be good for the game.
that would cripple one man pos research operations. interesting idea, but it won't work and needs modification.
some kind of "item cleanup" could work for corps and pos's. i'm not sure what the time limits would be or the mechanics behind it.
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People come to lowsec > pirates blow them up > they don't come to lowsec again > pirates complain not enough people for them to blow up in lowsec. |
Nexus Kinnon
A Few Good Men.
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Posted - 2008.08.31 11:32:00 -
[86]
TRIPLE POST
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Xasz
AnTi.
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Posted - 2008.08.31 16:37:00 -
[87]
QUAD DAMAGE
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Jonna Andromedae
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Posted - 2008.08.31 21:21:00 -
[88]
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/08/2008 15:44:01
^^^ as i said, my attempt at math
so this kid spent 1000 dollars on a ONE ship in a freaking video game are you f'ing serious?
wow, lets see, i could freaking pay my rent with that 1000 dollars you rich ****, why dont you start sending me some of that rl money
seriously, it should be illegal to spend that much money on a freaking game man, honestly
Stfu there, if u don't have skills to pay to bills, it shouldn't be problem if someone else has skills to pay the bills 
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floater666
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Posted - 2008.08.31 21:37:00 -
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I didnt touch the gme for months now, just paying the bill every now and than. I now I have to read this stupid ******* actions of CCP, nerfing PVP in a PVP game spitting in the eyes of their old costumers for some extra dollars from mindless grind ***s.
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DarthJosh
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.31 21:59:00 -
[90]
Originally by: floater666
I didnt touch the gme for months now, just paying the bill every now and than. I now I have to read this stupid ******* actions of CCP, nerfing PVP in a PVP game spitting in the eyes of their old costumers for some extra dollars from mindless grind ***s.
qft
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