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Wardeneo	Posted - 2008.08.24 17:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Wardeneo on 24/08/2008 17:16:03 best race post patch: 1 ammar 2 gal 3 caldari 3 min
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.24 17:18:00 - [2] Amarr > Caldari >..........................Gallente>.........Minmatar
Staggerr	Posted - 2008.08.24 17:21:00 - [3] Originally by: AstroPhobic Amarr > Caldari >..........................Gallente>.........Minmatar
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.24 17:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Staggerr Originally by: AstroPhobic Amarr > Caldari >..........................Gallente>.........Minmatar
Trader Jjoe	Posted - 2008.08.24 17:59:00 - [5] 1. Caldari (cruise or torp raven will be EEEEEvil. Eagle and command ships will also have ranged dps with some mobility. Best HIC imho. I do not fly much non-bs t1 so there you go. 2. Amarr/Gallente (an almost tie). Amarr has nice dps and tracking and again nice BS. Similar with Gallente. Both have good dps at range. Amarr has better range options imho, but rails are still awesome. In HAC category, SAC can be tanked and so can deimos. I prefer Amarr command ships for their tanking ability. And Amarr ships look cooler so I give this to Amarr. 4. Minmatar - screwed. The whole point of minmatar was a speedy race. All of their ships were balanced or favored because of their mobility. Would you take any Minmatar BS over any other ***erpart ever? Not really. Arties suck. Autocannons are nice though. Their HACs? Hello - all about speed. No way to tank either effectively except for speed tank. Command ships? Well Claymore can be tanked nicely and sleip is ok. But neither of these can do dps effetively until they get close (unlike say vulture). So they will never get there with speed nerf. CCP has given all minnie pilots the big &^% u. They will all have to cross-train and I imagine many who were bordering bailing the game will. If you are choosing now - go for Caldari, or Amarr if you care about looks. :).
Philipius Maximus Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.24 18:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Trader Jjoe 1. Caldari (cruise or torp raven will be EEEEEvil. Eagle and command ships will also have ranged dps with some mobility. Best HIC imho. I do not fly much non-bs t1 so there you go. 2. Amarr/Gallente (an almost tie). Amarr has nice dps and tracking and again nice BS. Similar with Gallente. Both have good dps at range. Amarr has better range options imho, but rails are still awesome. In HAC category, SAC can be tanked and so can deimos. I prefer Amarr command ships for their tanking ability. And Amarr ships look cooler so I give this to Amarr. 4. Minmatar - screwed. The whole point of minmatar was a speedy race. All of their ships were balanced or favored because of their mobility. Would you take any Minmatar BS over any other ***erpart ever? Not really. Arties suck. Autocannons are nice though. Their HACs? Hello - all about speed. No way to tank either effectively except for speed tank. Command ships? Well Claymore can be tanked nicely and sleip is ok. But neither of these can do dps effetively until they get close (unlike say vulture). So they will never get there with speed nerf. CCP has given all minnie pilots the big &^% u. They will all have to cross-train and I imagine many who were bordering bailing the game will. If you are choosing now - go for Caldari, or Amarr if you care about looks. :). Some of the stuff you said is correct, but most of it is total bullshit. You're a dumbass.
Trader Jjoe	Posted - 2008.08.24 18:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Philipius Maximus Originally by: Trader Jjoe 1. Caldari (cruise or torp raven will be EEEEEvil. Eagle and command ships will also have ranged dps with some mobility. Best HIC imho. I do not fly much non-bs t1 so there you go. 2. Amarr/Gallente (an almost tie). Amarr has nice dps and tracking and again nice BS. Similar with Gallente. Both have good dps at range. Amarr has better range options imho, but rails are still awesome. In HAC category, SAC can be tanked and so can deimos. I prefer Amarr command ships for their tanking ability. And Amarr ships look cooler so I give this to Amarr. 4. Minmatar - screwed. The whole point of minmatar was a speedy race. All of their ships were balanced or favored because of their mobility. Would you take any Minmatar BS over any other ***erpart ever? Not really. Arties suck. Autocannons are nice though. Their HACs? Hello - all about speed. No way to tank either effectively except for speed tank. Command ships? Well Claymore can be tanked nicely and sleip is ok. But neither of these can do dps effetively until they get close (unlike say vulture). So they will never get there with speed nerf. CCP has given all minnie pilots the big &^% u. They will all have to cross-train and I imagine many who were bordering bailing the game will. If you are choosing now - go for Caldari, or Amarr if you care about looks. :). Some of the stuff you said is correct, but most of it is total bullshit. You're a dumbass. Thank you for your clever insights. You really articulated your points to the best of your ability.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.24 18:11:00 - [8] Gallente and Amarr are tied in effectiveness? Please. This: Quote: Amarr > Caldari >..........................Gallente>.........Minmatar
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.24 18:18:00 - [9] Originally by: AstroPhobic Amarr > Caldari >..........................Gallente>.........Minmatar This cannot be repeated enough.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.24 18:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Trader Jjoe 1. Caldari (cruise or torp raven will be EEEEEvil. Eagle and command ships will also have ranged dps with some mobility. Best HIC imho. I do not fly much non-bs t1 so there you go. 2. Amarr/Gallente (an almost tie). Amarr has nice dps and tracking and again nice BS. Similar with Gallente. Both have good dps at range. Amarr has better range options imho, but rails are still awesome. In HAC category, SAC can be tanked and so can deimos. I prefer Amarr command ships for their tanking ability. And Amarr ships look cooler so I give this to Amarr. 4. Minmatar - screwed. The whole point of minmatar was a speedy race. All of their ships were balanced or favored because of their mobility. Would you take any Minmatar BS over any other ***erpart ever? Not really. Arties suck. Autocannons are nice though. Their HACs? Hello - all about speed. No way to tank either effectively except for speed tank. Command ships? Well Claymore can be tanked nicely and sleip is ok. But neither of these can do dps effetively until they get close (unlike say vulture). So they will never get there with speed nerf. CCP has given all minnie pilots the big &^% u. They will all have to cross-train and I imagine many who were bordering bailing the game will. If you are choosing now - go for Caldari, or Amarr if you care about looks. :). very accurate except that Minmatar will fine post patch and people will continue training and flying
Killiker Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.24 19:42:00 - [11] 2. Amarr/Gallente (an almost tie). Amarr has nice dps and tracking and again nice BS. Similar with Gallente. Both have good dps at range. Amarr has better range options imho, but rails are still awesome. In HAC category, SAC can be tanked and so can deimos. I prefer Amarr command ships for their tanking ability. And Amarr ships look cooler so I give this to Amarr. Their HACs? Hello - all about speed. No way to tank either effectively except for speed tank. The Ishtar will tank better than a deimos, and with all the hac business and speed stuff i think to many people have either forgotten or were not playing when people use to tank there ships rather than speed tank them. I think you will potentially start seeing the richer players in eve bringing out faction fit stuff that isn't designed for speed like they use to.
Arkadrell	Posted - 2008.08.24 20:41:00 - [12] guessing it ll be Caldari >> Amarr >>>>>>> Gallente >>>>>>>>>> Min
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.08.24 20:42:00 - [13] Minmatar > > > > > > >Amarr>Gallente>Caldari But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.24 21:33:00 - [14] Caldari = Amarr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Minmatar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gallente Amarr have better damage for the fleet gank role, but Caldari ships are not far behind, and have much more versatility. IMO, they're about equal, it just depends on whether you want the insane firepower/range combo of T2 pulse + scorch + optimal rigs, or the far superior Caldari support ships. Minmatar are borderline useless. Projectiles just plain suck, but there are still a few Minmatar ships that are decent despite this problem. The Rapier will still have a use, the Broadsword is still awesome, the Vagabond is still good even post-nerf (arguably even better, now that the competition has been removed and webs are no longer instant death), and the Sleipnir isn't crippled by pathetic grid/cpu like the Absolution. Gallente are the worst race. Blasters are just way too situational to be useful, especially with the general trend away from solo PvP. The only Gallente ship even remotely worth flying right now is the Dominix, and even then, I'm not sure I'd take it over an Abbadon.
Khraunus	Posted - 2008.08.24 21:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Khraunus on 24/08/2008 21:39:19 Originally by: AstroPhobic Amarr > Caldari >.........Everything else >.......Gallente>.........Minmatar Fixed(?)
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.24 22:13:00 - [16] Originally by: AstroPhobic Amarr > Caldari >..........................Gallente>.........Minmatar So pretty much the reverse of when I started playing. Heh. Well, everyone gets their turn in the sun, I guess. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.24 22:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: AstroPhobic Amarr > Caldari >..........................Gallente>.........Minmatar So pretty much the reverse of when I started playing. Heh. Well, everyone gets their turn in the sun, I guess. Guess that's what happens when the dev's can't make a narrow patch to save their lives, and end up taking the sledgehammer to everything. Hard to imagine things being actually balanced in this game, heh. Guess that's something reserved only to other games.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.24 22:25:00 - [18] Hope my caldari will be the best race soon :) Nerf matars you had your time, let it go now.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.24 22:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Naomi Knight Nerf matars you had your time, let it go now. Excellent reasoning skills at work. CCP, hire this individual!
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.08.24 22:45:00 - [20] Whats this about? What patch?
Gimpb Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.08.24 23:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Boz Well Guess that's what happens when the dev's can't make a narrow patch to save their lives, and end up taking the sledgehammer to everything. Hard to imagine things being actually balanced in this game, heh. Guess that's something reserved only to other games. Not that I don't agree about the sledgehammer comment, but exactly what "balanced" games do you speak of? Every multiplayer game I've ever played has had lots of cries about imbalance. It's usually somewhat real, somewhat perception, and almost always exagerated. It would be nice if they'd make small game changes more often instead of making large changes occasionally. That way they could tweak things before they get out of hand without hacking the legs of things either.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.24 23:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Killiker The Ishtar will tank better than a deimos, and with all the hac business and speed stuff i think to many people have either forgotten or were not playing when people use to tank there ships rather than speed tank them. The ship you are looking for is called a dominix. Vote against the nano nerf!
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.08.25 00:13:00 - [23] Amarr >>>>>>>>>>Gallente>>Caldari>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Matar Gallente takes second becaseu the dominix and arby/curse other drone boats are still top notch vessels. In fact gl hitting drones with a 60% web :) But we dont fully know the extent of the speed changes and the possible missile changes so only our god, dear CCP Nozh will know teh truth. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.25 00:31:00 - [24] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 25/08/2008 00:32:03 Amarr >>>>>>>>>> Minmatar>Caldari>Gallente Minmatar will still be the fastest race post-patch. Vagabond will be the only HAC in the game that will go fast enough to completely negate missile damage; which, IMO, is how it should be. Amarr will reign king, Caldari will be a lot better than they were, Gallente won't be as useless but still ultimately the most nerfed race. IMO.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.25 00:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Amarr >>>>>>>>>> Minmatar > Caldari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gallente Minmatar will still be the fastest race post-patch. Vagabond will be the only HAC in the game that will go fast enough to completely negate missile damage; which, IMO, is how it should be. I seriously lost a lot of faith in you.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.25 00:34:00 - [26] Originally by: AstroPhobic I seriously lost a lot of faith in you. ..awwh don't be like that
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.25 00:39:00 - [27] I don't see minmatar being of any use at all postpatch, especially the vagabond. It will do what it did before - run fast to things, orbit outside of web range and shoot peas at the opponent. Except now it has a lot less survivability and will turn brick-like. Caldari in their current sisi state is even > amarr, but I assume that'll be nerfed a bit. They will reign king like amarr in the damage + tank that eve will now be. ECM will be the new whine-sauce and "fotm" of eve, missiles will do even more damage and torp ravens will replace the ever mighty megathron as DPS of choice. Gallente is going to be hurt - but they still have good tanks, drones aren't hurt (they're getting an indirect boost with the speed nerf), and blasters will be okay under certain circumstances. Minmatar on the other hand are getting flipped the bird. The 3 traits that basically make up our race: speed, hit + run, and versatility were ALL nerfed. They're nothing more than sub-par DPS, sub-par tanks, sub-par ewar and generally a failure of a ship. There will still be some good ships (Broad.... rupture, hurricane, rifter + co) but the rest will fail upon the stink pile that is projectiles, and pre-nerfed stats that comprise every single minmatar ship.

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