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The End
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Posted - 2004.06.07 11:52:00 -
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The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too
Did the *JPA* give up against the PA already??
I want some info and i want it now! 
First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle. 
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:10:00 -
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 Originally by: The End
The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too
Did the *JPA* give up against the PA already??
I want some info and i want it now!
First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle.
There's still fighting every day. The JPA are showing lots of spirit. The combat zone is very wide now, with fighting on different days in CoD, FU and PA space, plus some fighting in Pure Blind.
Some has been blobs but there has been a lot of good small unit actions as well.
I am NOT going to get into a flame war about kills/losses, except to say PA continues to feel quite confident in the outcome of the war.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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TMX
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:11:00 -
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FU and COD are getting hammerd bad losing more then over a 100bs's.
JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it 
EV who are they? never seen them
RKK is fighting but gets outnummberd the whole time lol.
Norad moved there blob arround but havent seem them this weekend.
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:12:00 -
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Has Jade undocked 
Mongo speaks !!
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: TMX
FU and COD are getting hammerd bad losing more then over a 100bs's.
JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it
EV who are they? never seen them
RKK is fighting but gets outnummberd the whole time lol.
Norad moved there blob arround but havent seem them this weekend.
This is why we aren't posting on the forums. None of the above is true (*maybe* the FU/COD thing is true... have no intell on that at the moment).
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:19:00 -
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As for the process of the war in the north (to answer to this topic) well, lets just say that I have done a lot of flying in the skirmishes and battles that have occured so far and I don't see either side having dominated yet. When either PA or NCA get a big fleet together the other side (sensibly) retreats. PA have attacked CoD and Fade and PB. NCA have attacked Venal and Branch. Both sides have deep guerilla operations in action and the war continues.
EC-8PR yesterday was a case in point. PA held the torrinos gate for most of the day until the point at which NCA mustered a more or less equal fleet and moved into a pincer assault from Ewok and Torrinos. PA fleet commanders withdrew to empire space with the bulk of their forces and NCA took up position at the EC-8PR to torrinos gate.
It was like the changing of the guard ;)
Fundimentally this is a war of manouver and feint with neither side wanting to repeat the opening days losses in blobwar. Hence there is a lot of complex strategy being deployed and scouting is vital to the war effort.
Most of the fighting is therefore being done by forward elements of the two fleets and clashes between frigates, interceptors and raiding cruisers are very common.
Of my 19 enemy kills so far only 2 have occured in a formal fleet battle. The rest have happened through raiding and skirmish actions. I think thats a pretty common ratio across the board and so the conclusion is ... the war continues and nobody is likely to be bleeding out yet.
For Jericho Fraction as a whole we are doing pretty well in the heart of Venal and Branch with several confirmed battleship kills and a lot of disruption and angst caused amongst the miners there. While elsewhere from PB to southern Venal we are taking targets of opportunity regularly and I hope demonstrating that all the froth of our "forum only" reputation is just that "froth of no substance."
I will end by saying that in the main the PA pilots I have fought outside of blobwars have been brave and courteous and there has been respect between combatents.
I would particularly commend a couple of Oberon pilots (one in ares, one in an omen cruiser) that I engaged with my Crow. Neither of them had much of a chance of winning the engagement but both of them fought to the last and refused to run while their ships continued to fire at me.
Behind the politics and ego clashes of public debate there is a game going on here and its a great one. Just listening to the allied war-rooms of NCA command gives me a total buzz akin to listening to one of those great old war movies or the command centre views in starwars ... you really get an idea of a vast conflict going on across dozens of systems and involving hundreds of players.
So, say what you want about the reasons and outcomes, but Eve totally delivers suspension of disbelief in space-operatic warfare!
PS. Kills against me so far = 2 crows, 1 caracal. 20th Legion, CTK, SLI being the people to nuke my ships.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:31:59
The forums are quiet because everyone complained bitterly about the forum whoring, so everyone just got on with it.
The war is going like this:
Pureblind/Tribute is controlled by the allies.
Venal is controlled by the enemy.
Branch is changing hands daily when peeps can be arsed to take it over.
The enemy blobs massively in H-PA.
When we go in and attack the stupid odds there, we come out with heavy losses due to lag (it is fecking ridiculous when 10 ships can't jump into 30 without ****loads of lag. The last major engagements we had with F-E were pretty much lag free, so something is FUBAR).
The enemy occasionally leaves H-PA en masse and will come up to within one of our blobs then retreat (wisely) rather than losing lots of ships at the JIP. The only time I have seen the enemy jump into a system was saturday night on C4C when they took the station.
The enemy has another small blob of fighters led by t3h Pr3acher who is getting kills around the map by ganking our lone ships or smaller blobs.
The allies gank lone ships around the Venal Area or any attempting to leave. Frigates are running
through Venal daily picking off ships there.
To conclude, the enemies have a better kill ratio because we keep jumping into them in a hope that the lag is fixed.
The enemy, as defenders of their region, have no need or desire to waste ships jumping in to our blobs so we don't get much opportunity to get mass kills. They retreat back to H-PA and blob when we create an allied blob.
We can outblob them but allied forces refuse to mass suicide by jumping 100+ ships into 100+ ships when we can barely have 40 ship fights.
So all in all, the war is going fine from our viewpoint as the enemy is contained to camping their own space while we run around the rest of the North free from aggression but until the lag is sorted out we won't be able to attack en masse into the PA blob. They certainly are not about to jump headfirst into ours ;)
So ...
I don't know wtf has gone wrong between the last war and this war from CCP's side lag-wise, but sort it out CCP otherwise everyone may as well go back to mining and being bored out of their ****.
dbp
P.S. don't bother flaming me or calling me a liar because I'm simply not interested in it. The allies know the position we are in, the enemy knows the position they are in, if you can't look at the war subjectively then you're a ******* idiot.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:24:00 -
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PS. To NCA chaps. I know that the bad guys wanted to goad us with this topic but please respond with neutral and informative stuff if you fancy it. I believe holding the moral high ground is worthwhile. We who are fighting the war know how it is proceeding and I would not expect to see any of the people I have actually shot down supporting the sentiments of Ends, TMX and Bobby Wilson here.
There is a limit to propaganda ... and the limit occurs when the flaming remnants of one's vessel stands as testiment to the truth of the real situation.
By the way what is the JPA? Are you getting confused with the JQA?
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TMX
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mongo Peck
Has Jade undocked
Ya saw here 2 times in local both times @ safespot 
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TMX
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:26:00 -
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JPA = Jade Puppet Alliance
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:28:00 -
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Chill out tmx, there really is no need for the flames mate.
dbp
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:29:00 -
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19 kills from my safespot ... I think you should petition me for cheating TMX.
;)
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The End
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:30:00 -
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Since Bobby Wilson was the first to give info about the PA and JPA
He will recieve a half filled bottle of mustard in the mail from me.
You should recieve it about 8 months from now.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:35:47
Originally by: The End
Since Bobby Wilson was the first to give info about the PA and JPA
He will recieve a half filled bottle of mustard in the mail from me.
You should recieve it about 8 months from now.
dammit,
I want the mustard... I had started my post before him, honest!!
The lag cost me that bottle of mustard 
dbp
P.S. Theend: you got your answers from both sides, please keep an eye on the thread and request a lock if it turns into a flamefest. I am all for hearing from my enemy subjectively like the bobby wilson post above, but once peeps start flaming, it just ****es everyone else in eve off....
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TMX
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
19 kills from my safespot ... I think you should petition me for cheating TMX.
;)
i aint saying that youre on youre safespot the whole time but when i saw you in local both times you were @ safespot
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
When we go in and attack the stupid odds there, we come out with heavy losses due to lag (it is fecking ridiculous when 10 ships can't jump into 30 without ****loads of lag. The last major engagements we had with F-E were pretty much lag free, so something is FUBAR).
That is a very good point, I've noticed the lag is terrible in geminate/vale/tribute far worse than it used to be. We had a guy lag out in an 11 vs 11 battle which is quite sad. CCP should probably look into this as you used to be able to get up to 50 ships and it would still be reasonable playable.
Limpy Bint
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:42:29
Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:41:26
Originally by: limpy bint
Originally by: DB Preacher
When we go in and attack the stupid odds there, we come out with heavy losses due to lag (it is fecking ridiculous when 10 ships can't jump into 30 without ****loads of lag. The last major engagements we had with F-E were pretty much lag free, so something is FUBAR).
That is a very good point, I've noticed the lag is terrible in geminate/vale/tribute far worse than it used to be. We had a guy lag out in an 11 vs 11 battle which is quite sad. CCP should probably look into this as you used to be able to get up to 50 ships and it would still be reasonable playable.
Limpy Bint
Well I'm glad it's not just us then.
You saw how good the lag was when we were fighting you guys a month ago?
It was proper fighting imo.
This currently is just a joke for us!
If you guys lost a ship to lag in 11 versus 11 then I would bloody well petition it because that is just bollox.
dbp
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/06/2004 12:43:51
Originally by: Bobby Wilson
Originally by: The End
The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too
Did the *JPA* give up against the PA already??
I want some info and i want it now!
First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle.
There's still fighting every day. The JPA are showing lots of spirit. The combat zone is very wide now, with fighting on different days in CoD, FU and PA space, plus some fighting in Pure Blind.
Some has been blobs but there has been a lot of good small unit actions as well.
I am NOT going to get into a flame war about kills/losses, except to say PA continues to feel quite confident in the outcome of the war.
BW
I will say Bobby Wilson. That since the anti flame "truce" between the combatents has cleaned up these forums quite a lot over the weekend. Don't you feel that descending to petty name calling is a little childish?
JPA? (Jade Puppet Alliance) ... isn't that a bit demeaning to the hundreds of players that have joined this war for their own reasons. Everyone knows that I am simply a fighter in the NCA armed forces and following orders from NCA command.
Have we made humerously insulting names for you chaps? Would you like us too?
If we did would that be considered flaming do you think?
It would be fairly easy to call the PA the:
Bobbo the clown, Halseth Dunce and Robey Zero sideshow for example. But its a bit embarrassing to descend to those levels isn't it?
Perhaps you should rethink your strategy on public insults Bobby Wilson. And make your actions the equal of your words.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: TMX
Originally by: Jade Constantine
19 kills from my safespot ... I think you should petition me for cheating TMX.
;)
i aint saying that youre on youre safespot the whole time but when i saw you in local both times you were @ safespot
And I wonder if that had something to do with the hugggggggggggggggggggggggggggge! number of PA ships in local at the same time TMX, hmmmmm?
;)
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mongo Peck on 07/06/2004 12:46:00
DB Preacher .... as normal good report .. and its good to hear from you again .....
Just let me know were Jade C hangs out ......
This bird needs plucking (I'm talking about the Crow)
Mongo speaks !!
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:43:00 -
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Chill out jade, don't wind em up :p
dbp
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The End
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/06/2004 12:43:51
Originally by: Bobby Wilson
Originally by: The End
The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too
Did the *JPA* give up against the PA already??
I want some info and i want it now!
First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle.
There's still fighting every day. The JPA are showing lots of spirit. The combat zone is very wide now, with fighting on different days in CoD, FU and PA space, plus some fighting in Pure Blind.
Some has been blobs but there has been a lot of good small unit actions as well.
I am NOT going to get into a flame war about kills/losses, except to say PA continues to feel quite confident in the outcome of the war.
BW
I will say Bobby Wilson. That since the anti flame "truce" between the combatents has cleaned up these forums quite a lot over the weekend. Don't you feel that descending to petty name calling is a little childish?
JPA? (Jade Puppet Alliance) ... isn't that a bit demeaning to the hundreds of players that have joined this war for their own reasons. Everyone knows that I am simply a fighter in the NCA armed forces and following orders from NCA command.
Have we made humerously insulting names for you chaps? Would you like us too?
If we did would that be considered flaming do you think?
It would be fairly easy to call the PA the:
Bobbo the clown, Halseth Dunce and Robey Zero sideshow for example. But its a bit embarrassing to descend to those levels isn't it?
Perhaps you should rethink your strategy on public insults Bobby Wilson. And make your actions the equal of your words.
"Jade Puppet Aliance" is what Most of the people in 0.0 space refer you guys as
Anyway About your sigs?
is that a joke?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Chill out jade, don't wind em up :p
Dbp
I'm chilled hun, ;) Just showing them a glimpse of stanley to be going on with lest its Glasgow smile time in toon town.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:49:00 -
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Hey I admit my 1/2 of a kill is primarly due to not wanting to cream the brand new guys in CDI-academy. However it is kinda fun stalking them and then they ask why my UI is orange and everyone elses isnt.
Heh...I need to stop being a teacher and pod everything I see....One day those guys are gonna not remember me and Pod me....hee hee pod in self defense.
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.06.07 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mongo Peck on 07/06/2004 12:59:22
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I'm chilled hun, ;) Just showing them a glimpse of stanley to be going on with lest its Glasgow smile time in toon town.
LMAO ....
Your break a nail ....
Mongo speaks !!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 13:01:00 -
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Anyhay Mongo if you guys are going to join the fighting it will be fun to dance a turn with you again. Have you learned interceptors yet or are you still piloting that Raven?
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.06.07 13:05:00 -
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<<pets the dash board of his Interceptor>>
Comeon!!! I still wanna pop BB!! Er....Ceptor vrs Ceptor could be fun too...but I dont like minute men...I like to fight things that have staying power. ^^
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Mirage swe
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Posted - 2004.06.07 13:06:00 -
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Nice shots last night Jade.
I didn't see that one coming...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.06.07 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mirage swe
Nice shots last night Jade.
I didn't see that one coming...
Thanks hun, I was testing the loadout and you just happened to be the closest/fastest target according to the autoscanner. I probably should have stuck around to have a go at some more but I was a bit nervous at the size of the PA fleet ;)
Like I said earlier, its been my experience that the PA people I actually have been fighting in space have been pretty polite and good sports all round. I hope the politicians and PR guys can take a hint from this.
Lots of love
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.06.07 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
mhh whats going on, let me explain
ZZzzzZZzzzZZz, aa a ship, wrraaooom warp drive active, a bit of Zoom whisch zoing, splash, and then ZZzzzZZzzZZzZZZzZzZz again
LOL, that about sums it up.
Thanks for the laugh on a Monday morning 
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