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The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 11:52:00 - [1] The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too Did the JPA give up against the PA already?? I want some info and i want it now! First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle.
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:10:00 - [2] Originally by: The End The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too Did the JPA give up against the PA already?? I want some info and i want it now! First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle. There's still fighting every day. The JPA are showing lots of spirit. The combat zone is very wide now, with fighting on different days in CoD, FU and PA space, plus some fighting in Pure Blind. Some has been blobs but there has been a lot of good small unit actions as well. I am NOT going to get into a flame war about kills/losses, except to say PA continues to feel quite confident in the outcome of the war. BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
TMX	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:11:00 - [3] FU and COD are getting hammerd bad losing more then over a 100bs's. JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it EV who are they? never seen them RKK is fighting but gets outnummberd the whole time lol. Norad moved there blob arround but havent seem them this weekend. ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:12:00 - [4] Has Jade undocked Mongo speaks !!
Riddari	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:17:00 - [5] Originally by: TMX FU and COD are getting hammerd bad losing more then over a 100bs's. JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it EV who are they? never seen them RKK is fighting but gets outnummberd the whole time lol. Norad moved there blob arround but havent seem them this weekend. This is why we aren't posting on the forums. None of the above is true (maybe the FU/COD thing is true... have no intell on that at the moment). ¼©¼ a history
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:19:00 - [6] As for the process of the war in the north (to answer to this topic) well, lets just say that I have done a lot of flying in the skirmishes and battles that have occured so far and I don't see either side having dominated yet. When either PA or NCA get a big fleet together the other side (sensibly) retreats. PA have attacked CoD and Fade and PB. NCA have attacked Venal and Branch. Both sides have deep guerilla operations in action and the war continues. EC-8PR yesterday was a case in point. PA held the torrinos gate for most of the day until the point at which NCA mustered a more or less equal fleet and moved into a pincer assault from Ewok and Torrinos. PA fleet commanders withdrew to empire space with the bulk of their forces and NCA took up position at the EC-8PR to torrinos gate. It was like the changing of the guard ;) Fundimentally this is a war of manouver and feint with neither side wanting to repeat the opening days losses in blobwar. Hence there is a lot of complex strategy being deployed and scouting is vital to the war effort. Most of the fighting is therefore being done by forward elements of the two fleets and clashes between frigates, interceptors and raiding cruisers are very common. Of my 19 enemy kills so far only 2 have occured in a formal fleet battle. The rest have happened through raiding and skirmish actions. I think thats a pretty common ratio across the board and so the conclusion is ... the war continues and nobody is likely to be bleeding out yet. For Jericho Fraction as a whole we are doing pretty well in the heart of Venal and Branch with several confirmed battleship kills and a lot of disruption and angst caused amongst the miners there. While elsewhere from PB to southern Venal we are taking targets of opportunity regularly and I hope demonstrating that all the froth of our "forum only" reputation is just that "froth of no substance." I will end by saying that in the main the PA pilots I have fought outside of blobwars have been brave and courteous and there has been respect between combatents. I would particularly commend a couple of Oberon pilots (one in ares, one in an omen cruiser) that I engaged with my Crow. Neither of them had much of a chance of winning the engagement but both of them fought to the last and refused to run while their ships continued to fire at me. Behind the politics and ego clashes of public debate there is a game going on here and its a great one. Just listening to the allied war-rooms of NCA command gives me a total buzz akin to listening to one of those great old war movies or the command centre views in starwars ... you really get an idea of a vast conflict going on across dozens of systems and involving hundreds of players. So, say what you want about the reasons and outcomes, but Eve totally delivers suspension of disbelief in space-operatic warfare! PS. Kills against me so far = 2 crows, 1 caracal. 20th Legion, CTK, SLI being the people to nuke my ships. JF Public Forum
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:24:00 - [7] Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:31:59 The forums are quiet because everyone complained bitterly about the forum whoring, so everyone just got on with it. The war is going like this: Pureblind/Tribute is controlled by the allies. Venal is controlled by the enemy. Branch is changing hands daily when peeps can be arsed to take it over. The enemy blobs massively in H-PA. When we go in and attack the stupid odds there, we come out with heavy losses due to lag (it is fecking ridiculous when 10 ships can't jump into 30 without **loads of lag. The last major engagements we had with F-E were pretty much lag free, so something is FUBAR). The enemy occasionally leaves H-PA en masse and will come up to within one of our blobs then retreat (wisely) rather than losing lots of ships at the JIP. The only time I have seen the enemy jump into a system was saturday night on C4C when they took the station. The enemy has another small blob of fighters led by t3h Pr3acher who is getting kills around the map by ganking our lone ships or smaller blobs. The allies gank lone ships around the Venal Area or any attempting to leave. Frigates are running through Venal daily picking off ships there. To conclude, the enemies have a better kill ratio because we keep jumping into them in a hope that the lag is fixed. The enemy, as defenders of their region, have no need or desire to waste ships jumping in to our blobs so we don't get much opportunity to get mass kills. They retreat back to H-PA and blob when we create an allied blob. We can outblob them but allied forces refuse to mass suicide by jumping 100+ ships into 100+ ships when we can barely have 40 ship fights. So all in all, the war is going fine from our viewpoint as the enemy is contained to camping their own space while we run around the rest of the North free from aggression but until the lag is sorted out we won't be able to attack en masse into the PA blob. They certainly are not about to jump headfirst into ours ;) So ... I don't know wtf has gone wrong between the last war and this war from CCP's side lag-wise, but sort it out CCP otherwise everyone may as well go back to mining and being bored out of their . dbp P.S. don't bother flaming me or calling me a liar because I'm simply not interested in it. The allies know the position we are in, the enemy knows the position they are in, if you can't look at the war subjectively then you're a *** idiot. Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier** Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:24:00 - [8] PS. To NCA chaps. I know that the bad guys wanted to goad us with this topic but please respond with neutral and informative stuff if you fancy it. I believe holding the moral high ground is worthwhile. We who are fighting the war know how it is proceeding and I would not expect to see any of the people I have actually shot down supporting the sentiments of Ends, TMX and Bobby Wilson here. There is a limit to propaganda ... and the limit occurs when the flaming remnants of one's vessel stands as testiment to the truth of the real situation. By the way what is the JPA? Are you getting confused with the JQA? JF Public Forum
TMX	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Mongo Peck Has Jade undocked Ya saw here 2 times in local both times @ safespot ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
TMX	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:26:00 - [10] JPA = Jade Puppet Alliance ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:28:00 - [11] Chill out tmx, there really is no need for the flames mate. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:29:00 - [12] 19 kills from my safespot ... I think you should petition me for cheating TMX. ;) JF Public Forum
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:30:00 - [13] Since Bobby Wilson was the first to give info about the PA and JPA He will recieve a half filled bottle of mustard in the mail from me. You should recieve it about 8 months from now.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:32:00 - [14] Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:35:47 Originally by: The End Since Bobby Wilson was the first to give info about the PA and JPA He will recieve a half filled bottle of mustard in the mail from me. You should recieve it about 8 months from now. dammit, I want the mustard... I had started my post before him, honest!! The lag cost me that bottle of mustard dbp P.S. Theend: you got your answers from both sides, please keep an eye on the thread and request a lock if it turns into a flamefest. I am all for hearing from my enemy subjectively like the bobby wilson post above, but once peeps start flaming, it just **es everyone else in eve off.... Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier** Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
TMX	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Jade Constantine 19 kills from my safespot ... I think you should petition me for cheating TMX. ;) i aint saying that youre on youre safespot the whole time but when i saw you in local both times you were @ safespot ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:37:00 - [16] Originally by: DB Preacher When we go in and attack the stupid odds there, we come out with heavy losses due to lag (it is fecking ridiculous when 10 ships can't jump into 30 without ****loads of lag. The last major engagements we had with F-E were pretty much lag free, so something is FUBAR). That is a very good point, I've noticed the lag is terrible in geminate/vale/tribute far worse than it used to be. We had a guy lag out in an 11 vs 11 battle which is quite sad. CCP should probably look into this as you used to be able to get up to 50 ships and it would still be reasonable playable. Limpy Bint
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:38:00 - [17] Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:42:29 Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 12:41:26 Originally by: limpy bint Originally by: DB Preacher When we go in and attack the stupid odds there, we come out with heavy losses due to lag (it is fecking ridiculous when 10 ships can't jump into 30 without **loads of lag. The last major engagements we had with F-E were pretty much lag free, so something is FUBAR). That is a very good point, I've noticed the lag is terrible in geminate/vale/tribute far worse than it used to be. We had a guy lag out in an 11 vs 11 battle which is quite sad. CCP should probably look into this as you used to be able to get up to 50 ships and it would still be reasonable playable. Limpy Bint Well I'm glad it's not just us then. You saw how good the lag was when we were fighting you guys a month ago? It was proper fighting imo. This currently is just a joke for us! If you guys lost a ship to lag in 11 versus 11 then I would bloody well petition it because that is just bollox. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier** Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:38:00 - [18] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/06/2004 12:43:51 Originally by: Bobby Wilson Originally by: The End The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too Did the JPA give up against the PA already?? I want some info and i want it now! First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle. There's still fighting every day. The JPA are showing lots of spirit. The combat zone is very wide now, with fighting on different days in CoD, FU and PA space, plus some fighting in Pure Blind. Some has been blobs but there has been a lot of good small unit actions as well. I am NOT going to get into a flame war about kills/losses, except to say PA continues to feel quite confident in the outcome of the war. BW I will say Bobby Wilson. That since the anti flame "truce" between the combatents has cleaned up these forums quite a lot over the weekend. Don't you feel that descending to petty name calling is a little childish? JPA? (Jade Puppet Alliance) ... isn't that a bit demeaning to the hundreds of players that have joined this war for their own reasons. Everyone knows that I am simply a fighter in the NCA armed forces and following orders from NCA command. Have we made humerously insulting names for you chaps? Would you like us too? If we did would that be considered flaming do you think? It would be fairly easy to call the PA the: Bobbo the clown, Halseth Dunce and Robey Zero sideshow for example. But its a bit embarrassing to descend to those levels isn't it? Perhaps you should rethink your strategy on public insults Bobby Wilson. And make your actions the equal of your words. JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:41:00 - [19] Originally by: TMX Originally by: Jade Constantine 19 kills from my safespot ... I think you should petition me for cheating TMX. ;) i aint saying that youre on youre safespot the whole time but when i saw you in local both times you were @ safespot And I wonder if that had something to do with the hugggggggggggggggggggggggggggge! number of PA ships in local at the same time TMX, hmmmmm? ;) JF Public Forum
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Mongo Peck on 07/06/2004 12:46:00 DB Preacher .... as normal good report .. and its good to hear from you again ..... Just let me know were Jade C hangs out ...... This bird needs plucking (I'm talking about the Crow) Mongo speaks !!
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:43:00 - [21] Chill out jade, don't wind em up :p dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/06/2004 12:43:51 Originally by: Bobby Wilson Originally by: The End The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too Did the JPA give up against the PA already?? I want some info and i want it now! First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle. There's still fighting every day. The JPA are showing lots of spirit. The combat zone is very wide now, with fighting on different days in CoD, FU and PA space, plus some fighting in Pure Blind. Some has been blobs but there has been a lot of good small unit actions as well. I am NOT going to get into a flame war about kills/losses, except to say PA continues to feel quite confident in the outcome of the war. BW I will say Bobby Wilson. That since the anti flame "truce" between the combatents has cleaned up these forums quite a lot over the weekend. Don't you feel that descending to petty name calling is a little childish? JPA? (Jade Puppet Alliance) ... isn't that a bit demeaning to the hundreds of players that have joined this war for their own reasons. Everyone knows that I am simply a fighter in the NCA armed forces and following orders from NCA command. Have we made humerously insulting names for you chaps? Would you like us too? If we did would that be considered flaming do you think? It would be fairly easy to call the PA the: Bobbo the clown, Halseth Dunce and Robey Zero sideshow for example. But its a bit embarrassing to descend to those levels isn't it? Perhaps you should rethink your strategy on public insults Bobby Wilson. And make your actions the equal of your words. "Jade Puppet Aliance" is what Most of the people in 0.0 space refer you guys as Anyway About your sigs? is that a joke?
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:47:00 - [23] Originally by: DB Preacher Chill out jade, don't wind em up :p Dbp I'm chilled hun, ;) Just showing them a glimpse of stanley to be going on with lest its Glasgow smile time in toon town. JF Public Forum
Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:49:00 - [24] Hey I admit my 1/2 of a kill is primarly due to not wanting to cream the brand new guys in CDI-academy. However it is kinda fun stalking them and then they ask why my UI is orange and everyone elses isnt. Heh...I need to stop being a teacher and pod everything I see....One day those guys are gonna not remember me and Pod me....hee hee pod in self defense. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 12:50:00 - [25] Edited by: Mongo Peck on 07/06/2004 12:59:22 Quote: I'm chilled hun, ;) Just showing them a glimpse of stanley to be going on with lest its Glasgow smile time in toon town. LMAO .... Your break a nail .... Mongo speaks !!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:01:00 - [26] Anyhay Mongo if you guys are going to join the fighting it will be fun to dance a turn with you again. Have you learned interceptors yet or are you still piloting that Raven? JF Public Forum
Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:05:00 - [27] <<pets the dash board of his Interceptor>> Comeon!!! I still wanna pop BB!! Er....Ceptor vrs Ceptor could be fun too...but I dont like minute men...I like to fight things that have staying power. ^^ -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Mirage swe	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:06:00 - [28] Nice shots last night Jade. I didn't see that one coming...
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Mirage swe Nice shots last night Jade. I didn't see that one coming... Thanks hun, I was testing the loadout and you just happened to be the closest/fastest target according to the autoscanner. I probably should have stuck around to have a go at some more but I was a bit nervous at the size of the PA fleet ;) Like I said earlier, its been my experience that the PA people I actually have been fighting in space have been pretty polite and good sports all round. I hope the politicians and PR guys can take a hint from this. Lots of love JF Public Forum
Galavet	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Nafri mhh whats going on, let me explain ZZzzzZZzzzZZz, aa a ship, wrraaooom warp drive active, a bit of Zoom whisch zoing, splash, and then ZZzzzZZzzZZzZZZzZzZz again LOL, that about sums it up. Thanks for the laugh on a Monday morning
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:22:00 - [31] Edited by: The End on 07/06/2004 13:23:56 I havent been hearing much about unicore Have they been contributing? I Saw a reply from a PA guy in another topic stating "who are they?" im just curious
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:26:00 - [32] Well the Raven is still getting a wide rang of battle scars (like the rest of the ships) but that could be down to me .... I never can park these damn things .... I've mainly been flying around in Interceptors (mainly the Crow) testing a few loadouts, seeing how far you can go without either going mad or breaking up. Rather funny really .... I had every setup in memory for the Raven, Scorp, Apoc, Geddon, Tempest etc etc but now its learn learn learn. Basically I need 8 highs, 6 Mids, 5 Lows with a CPU of 800, Power Grid of 15000 and a Sig radius of 38 and a base speed of 510. Only if dreams came true ... Mongo speaks !!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:31:00 - [33] Good lord mr End ;) You are a hungry little information fiend! Unicore have certainly been contributing hard to the war effort, and its been an honour to fly with all of the allied pilots in theatre. As you probably know however, PA is absolutely massive with a wealth of battleships and corps and this war was never going to be won in a week. I suspect we might still be fighting it on the approach to Shiva, but suffice to say the attitude of cooporation and mutual respect between the NCA allies has been fantastic and really enlivened the Eve experience for many. This weekend for example I had my first ever experience of leading a teamspeak fleet operation. And what a combined buzz/terrifying few hours that was! Our fleet had pilots from a dozen corporations all united against the PA and convinced that they were doing the right thing. It was a great bonding experience and way to gain familiarity with other allied corps in theatre. I think that against the very real experience of in-game camaraderie these days of fighting are helping to forge the whole negative psyops forum-ranting angle is increasingly impotent. Hence, I really see no lines of division between the NCA corps and alliances. We all know the task ahead is a huge one. And its a matter of taking each day of battle at a time. JF Public Forum
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:33:00 - [34] Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 13:39:51 Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/06/2004 13:37:52 I havent been hearing much about unicore Have they been contributing? I Saw a reply from a PA guy in another topic stating "who are they?" im just curious UNICOR are patrolling the Tribute/vale/geminate area. NAST are patrolling the Pure Blind/Deklain/FADE area. JF and RKK are assisting when and where they are needed. When it is clear we head on up to venal to play with the blob. EDIT: changed controlling to patrolling as I cba with the "OMG BUT WE HELD A STATION FOR 45 MINUTES ON MONDAY AT 4AM" dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:35:00 - [35] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: The End Edited by: The End on 07/06/2004 13:23:56 I havent been hearing much about unicore Have they been contributing? I Saw a reply from a PA guy in another topic stating "who are they?" im just curious UNICOR are controlling the Tribute/vale/geminate area. dbp What on the Chaos Server?
Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:37:00 - [36] Edited by: Presidio on 07/06/2004 13:42:14 JPA has yet to hurt PA. Enemy side however is starting to replace their battleships with frigates. The more we go on, there is less danger for PA. That's how the northern war looks like from our perspective. When it comes to our losses, I really seems like we are spending more isk on ammo than ships. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:38:00 - [37] Originally by: The End Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: The End Edited by: The End on 07/06/2004 13:23:56 I havent been hearing much about unicore Have they been contributing? I Saw a reply from a PA guy in another topic stating "who are they?" im just curious UNICOR are controlling the Tribute/vale/geminate area. dbp What on the Chaos Server? No, on the tranquility server. /me checks who holds the stations and space for 99% of the time.... dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:38:00 - [38] i quoted you before you changed it! im ub3r
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:39:00 - [39] Originally by: The End i quoted you before you changed it! im ub3r it's the lag I tell ya ;) anyway, I explained in the post why i changed it :p dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Mongo Peck Well the Raven is still getting a wide rang of battle scars (like the rest of the ships) but that could be down to me .... I never can park these damn things .... I've mainly been flying around in Interceptors (mainly the Crow) testing a few loadouts, seeing how far you can go without either going mad or breaking up. Rather funny really .... I had every setup in memory for the Raven, Scorp, Apoc, Geddon, Tempest etc etc but now its learn learn learn. Basically I need 8 highs, 6 Mids, 5 Lows with a CPU of 800, Power Grid of 15000 and a Sig radius of 38 and a base speed of 510. Only if dreams came true ... I think the thing with the interceptors is to realise the purpose in theatre Mongo, and to make sure you don't get carried away with prideful duels when you are supposed to be providing intel for the fleet or jump in locations or such. Sure when you are just raiding they are hilarious fun, but often in a war situation you can't engage evenly and risk loss because it means you are potentially blinding the fleet. Crow is a lovely interceptor though, there are many decent approaches and some surefire dogfighting configs that are very hard to beat. I personally find 2xMWD crow to be a extremely hard thing to kill and I usually don't bother engaging opponents loaded out that way, but fortunately its a configuration with enough drawbacks that its not ubiquitous in the enemy ranks. What is also interesting about interceptors though (and the crow specifically) is that because they are in short supply, its actually meaningful to blow them up. I think Bladerunners have access to a BPO. So do Jericho, and there are several more out there in the game. But each one of these BPO's makes only 4 crows a day. And I think at the moment a lot more than 8 crows a day are dying in the northern theatre. Hence the public price of crows is going up and up and there is a shortage of the tech2 parts to build them. I know its a bit geeky, but I really like the way that the tech2 economy has become apparent in this ... its fabulous to blow up another enemy Crow and know that the ship is in short supply. JF Public Forum
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:56:00 - [41] For once common ground ...... I also settled the 2 x Mwd (don't you just that speed) but found the 3 slot a little weak (just nothing to put into it that matters at this speed). I've found the best way is to "hang high" and jump onto the selected target .... fire and within a few seconds be 500km away. Its painfull jumping back in a BS after this fun .... and I'm not sure if anyone would win a Crow (2-mwd) vs Crow (2-mwd) fight unless Havocide was the other pilot ( sorry Havocide) (Ps ... thankyou to the pilot complaining in P3EN thats its "unfair" to attack a group of frigates, cruisers, battleships in a lone Interceptor ) Mongo speaks !!
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.06.07 13:59:00 - [42] Edited by: Luc Boye on 07/06/2004 14:01:07 The End, Granted you guys got some kills last days, but what amazes me is that the guys that ACTUALLY do kill never brag on forums, but little turds like you do... Oh well, if you can't play the game, you can always forum ***** I guess. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Borsig Rheinmetall	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:08:00 - [43] Im going to reply from an honest standpoint- unlike some people here. I am fairly new to the smack talk and war game- so forgive me if my post isnt inline with those guidelines. 1. Why is every post TMX makes smack? Just curious hoss. Youre about as full of it as the porta john truck that just cleaned the infield johns on the monday after the Daytona 500. I fly frigates only. Its what I enjoy flying. So far, Ive been involved in 2 tempest kills, 1 with RKK, and 1 with NORAD, The second tempest fought well and I commend him (yellowstar or somethign was his name). Our random frigate patrols in PB have snagged 3 cruisers, an iteron Mk5 and misc frigates. I have busted 2 kestrals in Dek. Got a vigil, and a tristan somehwere, I think the tristan came at BKG. We have killed several misc. ships at the EC gate, frigs and cruisers. The other day- When PA came up into fade, and never jumped in on our lagwad, (blob) our frig team took out all but 1 of their lead and trailing support ships I think. Something like 6 frigates total, maybe a cruiser but I dont remember. Duing all this I have personally lost 1 Rifter, that was to the first tempest I engaged. I have probably been lucky in that regard. I did hear a report of PA losing 7 battleships in BKG alone last night. This was on a reliable channel, but I wasnt there to see it personally. Both sides have taken losses, and killed ships. Posting inflated kill totals and lies is getting really old. Why cant people just shut up and fight without all the racket? The pilots I have engaged have all , fortunately been non smack talking respectable opponets. I do however seem to see the same people stirring crap up on these boards on a constant basis. You know who you are. Why do you feel the need to fan a fire that already rages? Perhaps Ive been too many places, and been involved in too many real world conflicts and problems to understand how so much hate could be bred from a simple video game. If you want to know the true nature of hate and desperation, face an enenmy not on the virtual battlefield, but on the real one. Perhaps only then, can you realize how stuipd all this petty bickering is.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:15:00 - [44] Edited by: Darken Two on 07/06/2004 14:19:05 Will you people just shut up already. If you have any info to give to the person who asked then do so. He did not ask for how everyones dog or spirit were doing. Stop with the bloody kill lists and self praise masquerading as honesty. And Jade, why do you always have to try and tell everyone how many ships you killed. I dont see anyone else saying "I KILLED GAZILLION SHIPS THIS WEEK". So everyone drop this **** and bring it ingame. Ps I killed the entire CoD and FU navies last night all by myself. When I ran out of ammo I cut up small chunks of veldspar and fed it to my 425 rails. It was a glorious night. There was no smack talkand my enemies are honorable...blah blah blah Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
darth solo	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:19:00 - [45] U guys know what really annoys me???.... Im hearing RKK/ Rona/ blades/ basically all the guys i have fought with in the last year, all thes guys whom i class as allies, having tons of good PVP action, and im not even involved in it... it makes me sad... BUT, we must remain neutral.... hope ur all having lots of fun guys, keep it good though, and remember all the times we have spilled blood with eachother in the past:).... good times... u guys should have attacked the CA, the real enemy in this game, hehe. d solo.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Darken Two Will you people just shut up already. If you have any info to give to the person who asked then do so. He did not ask for how everyones dog or spirit were doing. Stop with the bloody kill lists and self praise masquerading as honesty. And Jade, why do you always have to try and tell everyone how many ships you killed. I dont see anyone else saying "I KILLED GAZILLION SHIPS THIS WEEK". So everyone drop this **** and bring it ingame. Chill out Darken Two. In the main this has been a respectful thread. There is no need to get ansy. As pointed out by various NCA posters, the war in game has been mostly polite and good spirited. There is absolutely nothing wrong with replying to the question from personal experience. And since one perspective (the PA one) is that you guys are running away with it, its not unreasonable to say (as fighters on our side) that the actual kill totals don't neccessily tell that story. Perhaps my kills have been irrelvent Darken Two. But they are still kills and they indicate that we have been fighting hard. Like Borsig I have been primarily a frigate pilot in this war, and I have to say that there are a lot of frigates being used on both sides and this has made the conflict very interesting indeed. It actually seems to represent a far more realistic (sic) engagement than many I have seen before in Eve and I am certainly getting a glimmer of the grand strategy behind the war. Its fabulous and very entertaining. Please don't let your personal animosity to me get your hackles up every time you see me post. I have actually complimented PA pilots hear and will continue to do so when enjoyable incidents happen in-game. This isn't some ridiculous hate-fest, its a vastly entertaining war between two powers in the north of Eve. Settle down and enjoy it hun. JF Public Forum
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:26:00 - [47] Darken Two .... I hope that wasn't aimed at me Mongo speaks !!
Sir Pain	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Darken Two Edited by: Darken Two on 07/06/2004 14:19:05 Will you people just shut up already. If you have any info to give to the person who asked then do so. He did not ask for how everyones dog or spirit were doing. Stop with the bloody kill lists and self praise masquerading as honesty. And Jade, why do you always have to try and tell everyone how many ships you killed. I dont see anyone else saying "I KILLED GAZILLION SHIPS THIS WEEK". So everyone drop this ** and bring it ingame. Ps I killed the entire CoD and FU navies last night all by myself. When I ran out of ammo I cut up small chunks of veldspar and fed it to my 425 rails. It was a glorious night. There was no smack talkand my enemies are honorable...blah blah blah Ok Darken Two responded so all the forum warriors have had a say on the matter. This is now offically a smacktalk/**ing contest thread, could the mods lock it before it spirals down the drain any further?
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:31:00 - [49] Edited by: Darken Two on 07/06/2004 14:33:44 Bah sorry. I think its the damn sunshine. I been out too much. And I did not mean that as a personal insult. What I meant is that posting numbers is irrelevant and as for the grand strategy, the PA is only fighting for our home and our right to exist without being dictated to by others. If that means we have to blow up every last ship that our enemies own while getting our own blown up then so be. This war isnt about good or bad, right or wrong. The lines are too blurred for that. The only end to this will be when one side bites the dust. Ps. I think its DBp "they will post on the forum about holding our station" comment that ticked me off. If you check, its your side that has posted about such things before. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:32:00 - [50] Quote: Ok Darken Two responded so all the forum warriors have had a say on the matter. This is now offically a smacktalk/****ing contest thread, could the mods lock it before it spirals down the drain any further? I honestly don't think this is a smacktalking thread. And if you think so then you probably haven't been paying attention to real smacking threads in the past ... For heavens sake, this thread even has Mongo and I discussing crows in amicable language. Get a grip! ;) JF Public Forum
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:38:00 - [51] Edited by: SlightlyMad on 07/06/2004 14:41:33 Not much is up.. I'm not sure what the JPA is trying to accomplish or what their objective is. All that has been accomplished is throwing Tribute/Vale into pirate hands. For as long as the war has been, PA isn't hurt particulary much. We can keep doing this for ages. Spirits are topnotch and if anything, we've learned how to cooperate between the corps even more. Only action in the heart of Venal is to try to catch frigates. Anything bigger trying to infiltrate and camp out is utterly destroyed. I'm not sure what Deklein/Fade is up too. But they have lost tons of Battleships in their own territory due to a lack of communication and/or experience how to move in hostile territory. They seem to get the worst of it. UNICOR too which is suddenly without any support at all. Now its all about frigate fights and that isn't going to affect anyone. I've understood as much that the idea of the enemy is to "make PA suffer economicly" but that isn't happening. Some annoyance that you can't move freely up and down to empirespace, but thats it. No significant losses are inflicted and our homesystem pretty safe. Me personally I havn't done much in this war other than holding the fort in venal. Or write crap on the forum * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Destable	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:41:00 - [52] Originally by: KIAEddZ -North vs. South Thread- Nice try Jadelin, Peace isn't neccesarily surrender from either side, understanding and a willingness to talk, forced by loss is what I am hoping for. Originally by: KIAEddZ -North vs. South Thread- The numbers are massively against you (numbers meaning losses of battleships, as this is the real drain on economy imo), Originally by: Presidio JPA has yet to hurt PA. Enemy side however is starting to replace their battleships with frigates. The more we go on, there is less danger for PA. That's how the northern war looks like from our perspective. I'll be very suprised if the cost of losses substantially affect the outcome of this war. Case in point is my scorpion. Cost to build: 52.8m Cost to insure: 20 mil or so. Cost to equip (heavy on launchers) 3 mil or so. Total cost: 76 mil Total insurance payout: 71 mil Total Loss: 5 mil (Approx 9.5 minutes of crokite mining with domnix + 9 harvs) People are parking battleships and switching to frigates and cruisers because, while impressive as hell, everyone is realizing that effective large scale fleet battles are near impossible with the lag situation. As unfortunate as it is, frigates and cruisers have more varied and effective roles in smaller strike force type operations than battleships do. Originally by: KIAEddZ -North vs. South Thread- The PA being the largest group in the "north", afaik, have our hands full with a slight rebellion in our own back yard. Nothing we can't handle of course, and we don't expect it to carry on for very much longer, but we certainly aren't feeling any anomosity between us and the deep south guys. The description of this war as a rebellion is a fine example of why I personally fight this war. Rebellion indicates an uprising against ones masters or government. This perfectly demonstrates the arrogance that I've always found pervasive within PA towards other nearby alliances. I won't repeat myself from previous threads, but you may refer to my "why COD and PA were never really friends" thread for more examples. Originally by: KIAEddZ -North vs. South Thread- Morale is an all time high for the PA, can you say the same, the guys in Fade yesterday, asking us not to pop their shiny Raven and Tempest as they are leaving COD space, certainly weren't feeling so good about this war "effort" While I can't speak for the handfull of fade pilots you spoke to, I see morale generally at an all time high. While both sides have disappointed miners, and some grumbling pilots (don't try to deny it, we both have friends in the "enemy" side.), overall, I've been amazed at the solidarity that this war has brought about, not only within COD, but in our relationship with allied alliances and forces. We've seen: Hundreds of people active on a TS server, new forum signup levels off the chart, people helping others, combat training, empire type people reluctantly coming up to fight only to discover the joy of adrenaline and heart pounding exitement of PVP that those of us who live up here love. Team (regional) spirit is off the charts! Amazingly enough, I've had people tell me that this was the best thing to ever happen to the alliance. Then again as you're no doubt aware, it's difficult to please everybody. So if I hear any claims that there's no dissent among smaller groups of members in PA, here's a "LOL" in advance. COD does have one slight advantage in the morale department, as we were never a big miner alliance, which is why our region has remained fairly pristine in ore levels. Pre-conflict, it was difficult, even at peak weekend times, to find an active mining op to join....so we might have less of the 'dissapointed miner' crowd than others. Originally by: Bobby Wilson The JPA are showing lots of spirit... This JPA thing is just another, slightly more polite, show of the arrogance and disdain that PA has shown, and still shows towards it's neighbors. The fact that you think us so unintelligent that we cannot understand exactly what happened to lead up to this war is insulting. That you think us puppets, and easily manipulated is not suprising considering the way you've dealt with us in the past, but it is still insulting. What obviously has not occured to you is that people from the very different organizations that are fighting you may be doing so for vastly different reasons. Sure, some may be along for the ride. JF and RKK have made thier position re: CDI very clear, but this may not be what's most important to everyone. Me personally, and speaking only informally for COD, care less about the CDI issue than we do for the dream of making some impact in the disdainful and lordly attitude that you've never made a real effort to hide when dealing with us. We are additionally fighting to support friends that have shown us REAL respect and camraderie in the past.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:43:00 - [53] Quote: Bah sorry. I think its the damn sunshine. I been out too much. And I did not mean that as a personal insult. What I meant is that posting numbers is irrelevant and as for the grand strategy, the PA is only fighting for our home and our right to exist without being dictated to by others. If that means we have to blow up every last ship that our enemies own while getting our own blown up then so be. Its okay, never mind ... I know how easy it is to get frustrated sometimes and yep, I currently have a damned case of the Flu to go with the sunshine and need to suffer british rail every day to top it off ;) Re the numbers thing it was mostly a gentle rebuff to TMX saying that I'm always safespotted and never undock, I know he was mostly joking but its still nice to actually have one's actions in the war recognised. Remember Dark Two that while you may have always been a hardcore warrior or something, I started eve as a pacifist trader and this war-fighting thing is still a novelty. I still get a real buzz for every ship I kill in combat and its lovely fighting as part of a broad coalition of friends united in common cause. I appreciate your strength of feeling also, but this is probably where we do have to take a step back and separate IC passions and hatred for the foe, from OOC gameplay enjoyment and appreciation of our opposite numbers as gamers playing the same game. Things did get way to frothy and brutal before, but I think if we all make an effort to be a little more controlled in responses it will be fine. Quote: This war isnt about good or bad, right or wrong. The lines are too blurred for that. The only end to this will be when one side bites the dust. I will admit that its certainly blurred for many. Ostensibly we are fighting for the removal of one rogue corp and thats it. You guys are fighting to defend that corp. To get the rogue corp kicked we have to make you do it through military persuasion. To protect (your friends) you have to prevent us bringing military pressure to bare. I think its pretty simple in dynamics and reasonable cause for a war. (I have certainly heard worse casus beli in eve). Quote: Ps. I think its DBp "they will post on the forum about holding our station" comment that ticked me off. If you check, its your side that has posted about such things before. A little needle is always to be expected I think, ultimately the people who make the really harsh flame wars are people who should know better (like me). I certainly go too far sometimes and have a temper like anyone else, but knowing that its kinda easier to just take a chill pill and sit back when its clearly not something thats worth doing. But for my part the point I have been trying to make is that now we are actually fighting a lot there is a lot of enjoyment as fellow players to be celebrated and much less cause for bitter strife on the forums. JF Public Forum
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:43:00 - [54] Darken Two .... I like being called a forum warrior ..... waiting for you to undock first ... Miracles happen Jade Mongo speaks !!
Shirei	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Destable I'll be very suprised if the cost of losses substantially affect the outcome of this war. Case in point is my scorpion. Cost to build: 52.8m Could you sell some minerals to me at those prices please? With current mineral prices in Lonetrek it's closer to 58m. Not that it would make much of a difference. :)
Diemos	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:52:00 - [56] Kill Total so far..... 12x Jerico n00b ships 1x PA Rifter i am ebil
Destable	Posted - 2004.06.07 14:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Shirei Could you sell some minerals to me at those prices please? With current mineral prices in Lonetrek it's closer to 58m. Not that it would make much of a difference. :) Yeah, I'll split the difference with you :) At our current, easily filled buy rates at newb schools, the cost is around 54.8. I was working off of our actual cost values, which are an averaging of the isk/unit cost of our mineral stockpiles. Vast quantities of which were bought in the days of .9 trit and 3.5 pyr. But you're right, not much difference. Tack on another 10 mins of mining for fluctuating mineral prices.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 15:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Mongo Peck Darken Two .... I like being called a forum warrior ..... waiting for you to undock first ... Miracles happen Jade ME UNDOCK? NEVER WHAT IF MY MINER 2S GET DAMAGED Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 15:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Luc Boye Edited by: Luc Boye on 07/06/2004 14:01:07 The End, Granted you guys got some kills last days, but what amazes me is that the guys that ACTUALLY do kill never brag on forums, but little turds like you do... Oh well, if you can't play the game, you can always forum ***** I guess. Why are you so mean to me? The End Cries
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 15:56:00 - [60] Silent Guard have a pretty decent tactic that got them two BS kills yesterday but I doubt it will work again. It's a pity that last night, when there were even numbers in LS-JEP, you chose not to engage. Aren't PA paying you enough so you can risk your precious BS? We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. But all you guys did was ** around in frigates warping in ad out - hardly makes for an entertaining evening. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Hackett	Posted - 2004.06.07 15:59:00 - [61] Is this Northern War thing like in The Goodies where they wore flat caps and hit each other with black puddings?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:00:00 - [62] Originally by: Hackett Is this Northern War thing like in The Goodies where they wore flat caps and hit each other with black puddings? ** off or I'll set my whippet on you! /me pets his pigeons LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Silent Guard have a pretty decent tactic that got them two BS kills yesterday but I doubt it will work again. It's a pity that last night, when there were even numbers in LS-JEP, you chose not to engage. Aren't PA paying you enough so you can risk your precious BS? We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. But all you guys did was **** around in frigates warping in ad out - hardly makes for an entertaining evening. lol you had more scorpions (up to 9 by the end of the day) than we had battleships(we had between 5-9 most of the day), we were under the impression we had backup coming but it never turn up so we headed back. PA are paying us pretty good money to keep you boys busy, honest. Limpy Bint
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:21:00 - [64] OFFICIAL RONA NORTHERN WAR REPORT We are having lots of fun END REPORT --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
TMX	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:23:00 - [65] Yup ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:29:00 - [66] I have to ask and its for fun ........ "When" I turn up in EC which side isn't going to shoot at me. If I'm a duck in this shoot its nice to know before hand..... Mongo speaks !!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:31:00 - [67] Originally by: limpy bint Originally by: Joshua Calvert Silent Guard have a pretty decent tactic that got them two BS kills yesterday but I doubt it will work again. It's a pity that last night, when there were even numbers in LS-JEP, you chose not to engage. Aren't PA paying you enough so you can risk your precious BS? We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. But all you guys did was ** around in frigates warping in ad out - hardly makes for an entertaining evening. lol you had more scorpions (up to 9 by the end of the day) than we had battleships(we had between 5-9 most of the day), we were under the impression we had backup coming but it never turn up so we headed back. PA are paying us pretty good money to keep you boys busy, honest. Limpy Bint Nah, at the point where we had even numbers Mechanix asked us to scoop our drones, I believe we only had 2 scorpions at that point. Still, I won't complain. I wouldn't have fought us then either LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:35:00 - [68] Na Jadrut "muppet" posts get removed ........ case closed. Yap Yap Mongo speaks !!
ermo	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:38:00 - [69] Quote: I'll be very suprised if the cost of losses substantially affect the outcome of this war. Case in point is my scorpion. Cost to build: 52.8m Cost to insure: 20 mil or so. Cost to equip (heavy on launchers) 3 mil or so. Total cost: 76 mil Total insurance payout: 71 mil Total Loss: 5 mil (Approx 9.5 minutes of crokite mining with domnix + 9 harvs) People are parking battleships and switching to frigates and cruisers because, while impressive as hell, everyone is realizing that effective large scale fleet battles are near impossible with the lag situation. As unfortunate as it is, frigates and cruisers have more varied and effective roles in smaller strike force type operations than battleships do. I think those calculations are wrong.... Using your price for a scorpion its 52.8mill to build give or take a few mill depending on the going mineral prices. Fine so you go forth spank some roids and you have your minerals to make the ship...........crunch bang wallop........ships built. You now need to find 20 mill to insure it and 3mill or so to fit it like you said. So your grand total, comes to 76 mill and your insurance premium pays out 71 mill. You lose 5mill - however youve lost 25mill because of the insurance payment and this then becomes another 23mill to insure and refit the new scorpion so its actually a 48mill loss for the running of a destroyed scorp and the inception of a new one. that is 2 hours mining crokite with an apoc with 8 miner II's. But youve just lost your only BS so you have to mine in a cruiser so your best is gonna be 5 miner II's and thats gonna take over 3 hours to make up. So economically this war will start to hit smaller corps alot harder and even relatively sized ones will suffer if their ship losses increase. Its simple economics, if you dont have the materials/funds to replace whats lost, you have a big problem. This war will become much more spread out as a result and I'm not going to speculate on everybodies real involvements in the war because each and every 1 of us knows deep down, how long it is taking, to replace ships either by ones self, or with corporate aid. Theres a good chance the war will simply come to a grinding halt because the demand far outweighs the supply. 2004.06.12 23:05:27combatYour Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes ********** wrecking for 1056.5 damage.
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:42:00 - [70] Originally by: KIAInkZ OFFICIAL RONA NORTHERN WAR REPORT We are having lots of fun END REPORT Now that's a more like it, I can say on behalf of BNC and NORAD that we are too. It would be nice to fight a couple of big fleet battles, I was realy hoping for some spectacular fights like we had against FE in the first Fade war.... alas for the lag! To be honest I'm really enjoying the war, there's a lot of very friendly behaviour between NORAD and PA (from what I've witnessed) whilst we are trying to blow each other up. Top fun Eve Blacklight Style
Raeff	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:59:00 - [71] war is going according to how we thought it would .. no surprises other than the horrible lag
crice	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:07:00 - [72] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Silent Guard have a pretty decent tactic that got them two BS kills yesterday but I doubt it will work again. It's a pity that last night, when there were even numbers in LS-JEP, you chose not to engage. Aren't PA paying you enough so you can risk your precious BS? We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. But all you guys did was **** around in frigates warping in ad out - hardly makes for an entertaining evening. My personal issue: I would have been happy to leave you guys alone. Problem: Zoser from IMRS flew into our space and "tried" to attack haulers and our allies flying the corp tag "Friends of EV". I made the assumption that they were new to your alliance and were told to go and attack us out of good faith. Right? Wrong? You don't come and attack RUS,Crice,Corp1,OTA,Endless,Paladins,Solar Dragons and expect no response. What fun would that be? "SO you aint seen nothing yet".
Rodnork	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Raeff war is going according to how we thought it would .. no surprises other than the horrible lag Ur kidding no one
TerminusX	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:10:00 - [74] As a member of Unicor, we have definitely been in large scale assaults involving PA. Most of the blob wars happened on memorial day weekend however. Since, the Vale area and such have been more filled with pirate syndicate boys than anything else (PA nap?....payoff...who knows). At any rate, has been great fun. As for lag, I have lost a ship to a lag kill in a small engagement (10 on 10 or so)....had 80% shields pointing at celestial object...got mass targetted, clicked to get out.....next thing I know....dead. I love it when you click your shield module and it turns on when your into structure. This issue does need to be resolved. Perhaps CCP need to have 'blob' sentry duty where resources can be 'beefed' up with GM request or something when a battle is going to occur. It sucks to not be able to blob war....its fun. As for The End, I'm with Luc on this one...you are getting a little annoying. Most of your teammates do not talk smack, but you unfortunately do quite often. Perhaps you need to get out of that frigate and get into a BS and lets see if you have guts to fight? I have seen improvement in Pirate tactics in Vale, that I will say, which makes things much funner and more challenging. Divine Retribution - My name is TerminusX, prepare to die.
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:26:00 - [75] Originally by: TerminusX As a member of Unicor, we have definitely been in large scale assaults involving PA. Most of the blob wars happened on memorial day weekend however. Since, the Vale area and such have been more filled with pirate syndicate boys than anything else (PA nap?....payoff...who knows). At any rate, has been great fun. As for lag, I have lost a ship to a lag kill in a small engagement (10 on 10 or so)....had 80% shields pointing at celestial object...got mass targetted, clicked to get out.....next thing I know....dead. I love it when you click your shield module and it turns on when your into structure. This issue does need to be resolved. Perhaps CCP need to have 'blob' sentry duty where resources can be 'beefed' up with GM request or something when a battle is going to occur. It sucks to not be able to blob war....its fun. As for The End, I'm with Luc on this one...you are getting a little annoying. Most of your teammates do not talk smack, but you unfortunately do quite often. Perhaps you need to get out of that frigate and get into a BS and lets see if you have guts to fight? I have seen improvement in Pirate tactics in Vale, that I will say, which makes things much funner and more challenging. guts to fight? Using a frig going up against 5+ BS's Takes a lot of guts to do Frigs are just as important as BS's in fights without warp scrambling There is really like no kills being 5km of a Ship that is getting pounded by missles is very risky :) I fly frigs cuz they are fun. Your guys came in fdz with frigs and they got owned by me and plutus. not to mention we took out a caracal in frigs I talk smack because i can If you got a problem with it do something about it. But unfortuantly you guys have shown us that you cant. I pay for this game to kill people like you You pay for this game to Die by people like me Good day
Buddrow	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:37:00 - [76] A thought From Buddrow Gentlemen, I grow very tired of having these skewed numbers. First off, your speculation on losses needs to come to reality. First of Cod took a serious beating regarding losses in the start of this war. Did it faze us? NO! Do you hear us talking peace NO & No. Cut the psychological warfare stuff, or at least the lying. As for how Cod is doing in the war. We are attacking branch daily we are being attacked. Exodus held 2 stations in branch and one in tenal for awhile. So stop acting like we are sitting in stations quivering. We are smacking you in the mouth just as you are doing to us. You can stop making claims of victory in this war whenever. You have won some battles you have lost some. We are having a load of fun, as I am sure you are. As for lies and forum flaming, cut it out. Just shows youÆre petty. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:40:00 - [77] Quote: guts to fight? Using a frig going up against 5+ BS's Takes a lot of guts to do I don't want to flame you, The End, but I would hardly class warping in and out without even locking as "going up against". Plutus does this frequently in his pod - does that class as "pvp engagement"? You guys have done a halfway decent job. Please don't let it go to your heads. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Gafton	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:02:00 - [78] i'm in agreement. posting kills/losses is stupid. Theres no way to verify the kill, and even the kill mail is faulty sometimes. Posting "we've killed a ton of the enemy" doesnt do anything but cause flames. As the enemy is still there you havnt killed enough of em have you? That being said, leave kill:loss stuff outa the forums. Unless theres an official kill monitoring system, it all boils down to a he said/she said. Once the war is over there will be a victor. That victor can then say with certainty that he killed off the enemy or forced them to surrender. So please, keep the kill counts to our respective forums and out of this one. Both sides will disagree on numbers so lets not start. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead.
Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:02:00 - [79] Edited by: Presidio on 07/06/2004 18:05:22 I am really getting tired of this LAG exuse everyone is using. When there is lag it affects everyone. Don't blame your shortcomings on lag. You can't put up a serious offencive because you... nm, I don't want to flame. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Dispader	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:11:00 - [80] Quote: I think those calculations are wrong.... Using your price for a scorpion its 52.8mill to build give or take a few mill depending on the going mineral prices. Fine so you go forth spank some roids and you have your minerals to make the ship...........crunch bang wallop........ships built. You now need to find 20 mill to insure it and 3mill or so to fit it like you said. So your grand total, comes to 76 mill and your insurance premium pays out 71 mill. You lose 5mill - however youve lost 25mill because of the insurance payment and this then becomes another 23mill to insure and refit the new scorpion so its actually a 48mill loss for the running of a destroyed scorp and the inception of a new one. Geez, are u drunk? Or just wanted to present your "analysis" on the forum so bad you forgot to think? Your numbers are way off and the original poster was right. Stay away from battleship economics and go sign up for a mining contract with the big boys, chief.
Blockoindi	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:18:00 - [81] Originally by: Gafton i'm in agreement. posting kills/losses is stupid. Theres no way to verify the kill, and even the kill mail is faulty sometimes. Posting "we've killed a ton of the enemy" doesnt do anything but cause flames. As the enemy is still there you havnt killed enough of em have you? That being said, leave kill:loss stuff outa the forums. Unless theres an official kill monitoring system, it all boils down to a he said/she said. Once the war is over there will be a victor. That victor can then say with certainty that he killed off the enemy or forced them to surrender. So please, keep the kill counts to our respective forums and out of this one. Both sides will disagree on numbers so lets not start. Sure there are ways of verifing it, screen shots and fraps
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:41:00 - [82] Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Jherek Cornelian	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:41:00 - [83] Originally by: The End guts to fight? Using a frig going up against 5+ BS's Takes a lot of guts to do Frigs are just as important as BS's in fights without warp scrambling There is really like no kills being 5km of a Ship that is getting pounded by missles is very risky :) I fly frigs cuz they are fun. Your guys came in fdz with frigs and they got owned by me and plutus. not to mention we took out a caracal in frigs I talk smack because i can If you got a problem with it do something about it. But unfortuantly you guys have shown us that you cant. I pay for this game to kill people like you You pay for this game to Die by people like me Good day Wise words indeed. You are obviously a skilled player - a mature and a well rounded individual -your words are an inspiration to us all. A natural born leader whose skills will long be remembered after EVE has gone.
Robeyone	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Whatever http://www.ronacorp.com
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:58:00 - [85] Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Yea ok Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:04:00 - [86] Edited by: Notferr on 07/06/2004 19:23:25 Originally by: Robeyone Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Whatever I would put it at a more pessimestic 80% of co-ordinated fleet battles, but the spirit of Ham's statement is correct. You guys prob have more ganking kills. So, like, 'Whatever' to your 'Whatever', Robeynegativeone - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Fred0	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:08:00 - [87] Originally by: Jade Constantine 02 May 2004 I think PA would fall in a week if we played it right Originally by: Jade Constantine a month later As you probably know however, PA is absolutely massive with a wealth of battleships and corps and [B]this war was never going to be won in a week. sorry for the chopping but wanted to highlight the good parts ;)
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:12:00 - [88] Originally by: Notferr Originally by: Robeyone Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Whatever I would put it at a more pessimestic 80% of co-ordinated fleet battles, but the spirit of Ham's statement is correct. You guys prob have more ganking kills. So, like, 'Whatever' to your 'Whatever', Robynegativeone He said whatever. Why the namecalling? And what the feck does robeynegativeone mean anyway? As for the 80% victories for you lot....rofl yea ok Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Riddari	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Presidio I am really getting tired of this LAG exuse everyone is using. When there is lag it affects everyone. Not equally ¼©¼ a history
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:15:00 - [90] Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 07/06/2004 19:22:19 Lol. Y'know, when I answered The End this AM b4 work I seriously thought this thread would go forward without a flame fest. BW P.S. As the first to flame, TMX will get spanked on the bare bottom with the instrument of his choice, by the PA leader of his choice. PPS. I didn't make up the silly JPA name. Or the other silly northern alliance name. I typically refer to all combatants including ours by the names they chose before this silly war, and usually by corp tickers as it's easier. For a primer on how to invent names for polical manipulation purposes it's not worth the dime to call me. Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:18:00 - [91] Edited by: Notferr on 07/06/2004 19:22:54 Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Notferr Originally by: Robeyone Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Whatever I would put it at a more pessimestic 80% of co-ordinated fleet battles, but the spirit of Ham's statement is correct. You guys prob have more ganking kills. So, like, 'Whatever' to your 'Whatever', Robynegativeone He said whatever. Why the namecalling? And what the feck does robeynegativeone mean anyway? As for the 80% victories for you lot....rofl yea ok Darken, Ham is not only my ally, he is mi amigo, so if sarcasm is far play, then sarcasm is fair play. And where did it come from? Have you ever seen the movie 'The Goonies'? Double 0 negative? Listen, I am all for the flame free theory, but I see JPA being spouting in this thread. I don't work for Jade, and I ain't her puppet. It puts me in a bad mood, and begins the flaming. That and I honestly don't like Robeyone. - N - P.S. The 80% is a fair estimate from all of the battles I have been in, but from reports I get, you guys do have the lead in gank kills. - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:25:00 - [92] Ah... Bobby, just read your post. I shall end flaming if it is ended on the other side. However, this will include the JPA idiocy. Still don't like Robeyone, though. - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:29:00 - [93] All I know about the war is that yesterday I lost my shiny battle-hardened taranis.... I realy loved that ship WHAAAAAAAAA... PS I think I left some drones somewhere... anyone seen them...? Oh Blinky,Stinky, Mikey....where are you guys...? I miss you so much /emote makes mental note not to get too attached with ships and drones
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:32:00 - [94] Originally by: Notferr Ah... Bobby, just read your post. I shall end flaming if it is ended on the other side. However, this will include the JPA idiocy. Still don't like Robeyone, though. Civility is a two way street. You people called us pirates for a long long time and we said nothing. Now you think its unfair that we call you JPA. After all JPA is not the official name of your group is it? Its just a name we PA use to describe our current set of enemies. Dont see why you should get all worked up over that. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:53:00 - [95] Uh? Jeeze, I thought CA was the Master of Smack! I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer...
Raeff	Posted - 2004.06.07 20:32:00 - [96] Edited by: Raeff on 07/06/2004 20:39:44 no s*t .. i make a simple neutral comment and get flamed .. btw if there is one thing the PA is definately winning its the flame war .. i surrender Raeff waves the white flag
Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.07 20:35:00 - [97] Edited by: Presidio on 07/06/2004 20:45:36 Originally by: Raeff no s*t .. i make a simple neutral comment and get flamed .. btw if there is one thing the PA is definately winning its the flame war .. i surrender Raeff waves the white flag that's really funny coming from JPA. ps. yeah that was a real neutral comment. Is it because you said it was neutral? - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Raeff	Posted - 2004.06.07 20:37:00 - [98] ^ see what i mean
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2004.06.07 20:38:00 - [99] Originally by: Raeff no s*t .. i make a simple neutral comment and get flamed .. btw if there is one thing the PA is definately winning its the flame war .. i surrender Raeff waves the white flag Be prepaired for the super blob and C4... Oh, i know your thinking about it OC... sitting there going "You something... its a little to quite up there... Lets go blow ** up!" and the other one is like "Yah, lets kill some PA!" and then the next one will say "PA, why kill PA when we can kill EV!", and then one of the more astute ones will say, "But what the point of raiding thier mining ops? If they dont have a home?" and the next one will say "Dude, ** it, lets go pop some xetic!" and then the first ones like "Nah, lets sing songs!" and then they will forget what they were talking about and sing drinking songs... what was I talking about again? I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer...
Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.07 20:41:00 - [100] Originally by: Hamatitio That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) translation: We have more pilots and we are still getting owned. Only time we can kill a PA battleship is if a pilots is AFK. I mean you represent so much threat to PA that our pilots are falling asleep when fighting you. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.07 20:43:00 - [101] Originally by: Presidio Originally by: Hamatitio That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) translation: We have more pilots and we are still getting owned. Only time we can kill a PA battleship is if a pilots is AFK. I mean you represent so much threat to PA that our pilots are falling asleep when fighting you. To quote your fearless leader, Robeyone, "Whatever " - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.07 20:47:00 - [102] Originally by: Notferr Originally by: Presidio Originally by: Hamatitio That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) translation: We have more pilots and we are still getting owned. Only time we can kill a PA battleship is if a pilots is AFK. I mean you represent so much threat to PA that our pilots are falling asleep when fighting you. To quote your fearless leader, Robeyone, "Whatever " Hmm, what is next you can't even check the corp tags? I am from GODS not RONA. No wonder you're getting pwned. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Mechanix	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:08:00 - [103] Originally by: Joshua Calvert We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. God damn it i am NOT stardog Will ppl please stop confusing us with each other?
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:16:00 - [104] ignores pa smackaganda Well in tribute anyway, its been relatively quiet, a gank here, a gank there, an expedition up to HPA and further up, gank gank gank. That kinda thing. Can't speak for everyone else, but we haven't encountered really any losses.(lost my bb to a pa patrol 3 weeks ago) Past couple of nights we've been busy killing the sh1t out of PA's cannon fodder Romanian Renegades(HAOS). I do salute them for actually sticking around and fighting a more experienced pvp corp. Last I heard is that they are begging PA to join them, and are retreating from Tribute with their tails in between their legs due to us teaching them how to be professional victims. Anyhow, tribute is holding for now at least, and we try our best to keep it that way for us and the neutral miners in the area. I think things are gonna light up pretty soon though around the theatre. ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:26:00 - [105] Originally by: Aerick Dawn ignores pa smackaganda Well in tribute anyway, its been relatively quiet, a gank here, a gank there, an expedition up to HPA and further up, gank gank gank. That kinda thing. Can't speak for everyone else, but we haven't encountered really any losses.(lost my bb to a pa patrol 3 weeks ago) Past couple of nights we've been busy killing the sh1t out of PA's cannon fodder Romanian Renegades(HAOS). I do salute them for actually sticking around and fighting a more experienced pvp corp. Last I heard is that they are begging PA to join them, and are retreating from Tribute with their tails in between their legs due to us teaching them how to be professional victims. Anyhow, tribute is holding for now at least, and we try our best to keep it that way for us and the neutral miners in the area. I think things are gonna light up pretty soon though around the theatre. Last two times i've went through tribute at p3en pirates held the gate and were raping and pillaging all over tribute. Limpy Bint
crice	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:32:00 - [106] Originally by: Aerick Dawn ignores pa smackaganda Well in tribute anyway, its been relatively quiet, a gank here, a gank there, an expedition up to HPA and further up, gank gank gank. That kinda thing. Can't speak for everyone else, but we haven't encountered really any losses.(lost my bb to a pa patrol 3 weeks ago) Past couple of nights we've been busy killing the sh1t out of PA's cannon fodder Romanian Renegades(HAOS). I do salute them for actually sticking around and fighting a more experienced pvp corp. Last I heard is that they are begging PA to join them, and are retreating from Tribute with their tails in between their legs due to us teaching them how to be professional victims. Anyhow, tribute is holding for now at least, and we try our best to keep it that way for us and the neutral miners in the area. I think things are gonna light up pretty soon though around the theatre. I thought you guys were leaving the FU???
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:33:00 - [107] Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 07/06/2004 21:34:32 Yep your absolutely right Limpy. Past week p3 has been camped by pirates. Mostly TPS guys. Crice: who told you that? ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:37:00 - [108] OMG is this discussion still going on? Yes 5 gazillionbillion kills have occurred, all were jade constantine whilst she was docked using the forums are you ok now?
Gundog Prime	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:43:00 - [109] Oh man i couldnt be bothered wading through ALL of that thread... But i read a few points, and so Jade as to the Ceptors being hard to get??? WTF GODS just negotiated a deal for over 50 Ceptors of all dif types to cover us for the duration of this war and probably any others for the next 6 months and beyond so i dont know what your smoking but your obviously too busy doing it to find the RIGHT people to trade with, that or you lack the funds As to all this 'The wars gonna go on til Shiva' nonsense...i mean you ARE smoking something on that one...pfffttt. If you call a few Frigs attacking the PA BS fleet a war well ok then then %50+ of enemy ships ive seen in the last few days have been Frigates with an occasional 'Ceptor, i mean honestly the only BS i saw ran from me, whats with that??? And to the last point of controlling space....read the sig, if you can stop me at a blockade then try it, if you get me i'll even post a thread saying you got me. Hell if i get podded by JPA within the next month ill send you a few million isk's Sorry Stoop i tried soooooo hard not to flame but stupidity needs addressing -------------------------------------------------------------- [email protected] - BEWARE THE CHEAP PAINT SIG -- Joshua Calvert, the true gamer's gamer
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:43:00 - [110] P3E camped by TPS mostly? Until you see us coming then you jump to Obe. Must be fun. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 21:48:00 - [111] Originally by: Gundog Prime Oh man i couldnt be bothered wading through ALL of that thread... But i read a few points, and so Jade as to the Ceptors being hard to get??? WTF GODS just negotiated a deal for over 50 Ceptors of all dif types to cover us for the duration of this war and probably any others for the next 6 months and beyond so i dont know what your smoking but your obviously too busy doing it to find the RIGHT people to trade with, that or you lack the funds As to all this 'The wars gonna go on til Shiva' nonsense...i mean you ARE smoking something on that one...pfffttt. If you call a few Frigs attacking the PA BS fleet a war well ok then then %50+ of enemy ships ive seen in the last few days have been Frigates with an occasional 'Ceptor, i mean honestly the only BS i saw ran from me, whats with that??? And to the last point of controlling space....read the sig, if you can stop me at a blockade then try it, if you get me i'll even post a thread saying you got me. Hell if i get podded by JPA within the next month ill send you a few million isk's Sorry Stoop i tried soooooo hard not to flame but stupidity needs addressing Special mention to wattie for his superb 4+ WCS AND double-MWD-fitted Apoc. Superb. We can close down P3E completely but it's a boring job - we don't have it massively blobbed. We try to keep numbers at a level where we might get a fight but it seems TPS and Biomass etc are only after the lone gank. Must be fun. I don't like it when we deploy MWD - it 100% stops anyone jumping in. That's why we try to leave it down to good-old tried-and-tested ship-only camping. We're looking for fights but these guys just aren't bringing it. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Gundog Prime	Posted - 2004.06.07 22:00:00 - [112] Edited by: Gundog Prime on 07/06/2004 22:02:37 Actually my post wasnt exactly fair, Judicator NEARLY got me in his Ceptor when i was in my n00b frig but he miss timed his Insta to Gate and got hung up on that 'Cant jump while warping' bug... That was a rush and almost the most excitement ive seen in this war... So despite my last post, props to Judicator editted for splellngi -------------------------------------------------------------- [email protected] - BEWARE THE CHEAP PAINT SIG -- Joshua Calvert, the true gamer's gamer
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.06.07 22:07:00 - [113] Noone is winning or loosing "the war". Although I must say that the number of battleshipkills the alliancefleet racks up is really impressive. If JPA wanted to accomplish anything in this war, they are miles away. And I don't see any goals being met with your current strategies. If you don't change strategy or have more power to come with, its going to fail eventually. Or we turn this region into the new CA/Stain warzone. Which isn't a bad option either * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.07 22:35:00 - [114] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/06/2004 22:37:56 Originally by: Gundog Prime Oh man i couldnt be bothered wading through ALL of that thread... But i read a few points, and so Jade as to the Ceptors being hard to get??? WTF GODS just negotiated a deal for over 50 Ceptors of all dif types to cover us for the duration of this war and probably any others for the next 6 months and beyond so i dont know what your smoking but your obviously too busy doing it to find the RIGHT people to trade with, that or you lack the funds As to all this 'The wars gonna go on til Shiva' nonsense...i mean you ARE smoking something on that one...pfffttt. If you call a few Frigs attacking the PA BS fleet a war well ok then then %50+ of enemy ships ive seen in the last few days have been Frigates with an occasional 'Ceptor, i mean honestly the only BS i saw ran from me, whats with that??? And to the last point of controlling space....read the sig, if you can stop me at a blockade then try it, if you get me i'll even post a thread saying you got me. Hell if i get podded by JPA within the next month ill send you a few million isk's Sorry Stoop i tried soooooo hard not to flame but stupidity needs addressing Oh dear, I can see why people didn't want anyone mentioning kills ;) It comes to something when the biggest boasting point in the Generals of Destruction arsenal is this chap's insta-jumping his way to forum greatness ... Edit (I can't help myself) Surely that should be Rundog Prime? Only kidding. JF Public Forum
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.07 22:38:00 - [115] Originally by: Jade Constantine Oh dear, I can see why people didn't want anyone mentioning kills ;) It comes to something when the biggest boasting point in the Generals of Destruction arsenal is this chap's insta-jumping his way to forum greatness ... Edit (I can't help myself) Surely that should be Rundog Prime? Only kidding. Lol - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.07 22:50:00 - [116] Originally by: crice Originally by: Notferr Originally by: Jade Constantine Oh dear, I can see why people didn't want anyone mentioning kills ;) It comes to something when the biggest boasting point in the Generals of Destruction arsenal is this chap's insta-jumping his way to forum greatness ... Edit (I can't help myself) Surely that should be Rundog Prime? Only kidding. Lol I think Notferr is barking again. Please Jade take him for a walk and get a longer leash. Don't you have an empire to lose somewhere? - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Makeh	Posted - 2004.06.07 23:32:00 - [117] Originally by: TMX FU and COD are getting hammerd bad losing more then over a 100bs's. JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it EV who are they? never seen them RKK is fighting but gets outnummberd the whole time lol. Norad moved there blob arround but havent seem them this weekend. lol i spilled my drink on my keybaord when i read that ------------------- QUOTES OF TEH MONTH Loadmaster > its players like you that makes me want to quit EVE Masta Killa > I'll insta to agil and get my intie and then come back and pod you
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.06.07 23:39:00 - [118] oh man weve lost 100 battleships? -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.06.07 23:52:00 - [119] Originally by: Hamatitio oh man weve lost 100 battleships? didn't you loose 4 ships tonight? :) --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
ponieus	Posted - 2004.06.08 00:10:00 - [120] well from the fight i seen the other night PA took more losses than the fleet I was with.. Both sides fought long and hard and took losses... But We came out on top... I cant wait to get involved in more battles... So much fun
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.06.08 00:15:00 - [121] yes all 4 of those "battleships" went down awful fast -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Corpus Kristi	Posted - 2004.06.08 00:21:00 - [122] Originally by: ponieus well from the fight i seen the other night PA took more losses than the fleet I was with.. Both sides fought long and hard and took losses... But We came out on top... I cant wait to get involved in more battles... So much fun Interesting....... According to a previous post R-K have killed approx 37 Ships and have the fraps to prove it.... 'if' and/or when that appears we will all be able see who has been talking a good fight and who has been fighting the good fight..... No doubt you will be publishing your fraps footage of the host of kills you have as well... so far I have seen one fraps where the enemies of the PA killed 2 ships..... Maybe you all have been drinking to much (or not enough).... Come on guys...lets see the evidence.... after all... Seeing is believing
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.06.08 00:29:00 - [123] Edited by: KIAHicks on 08/06/2004 00:33:35 Originally by: KIAInkZ Originally by: Hamatitio oh man weve lost 100 battleships? didn't you loose 4 ships tonight? :) I've only been back from hols since friday, and I've watched 30+ go down for 2 losses :) TBH though, I don't care how the wars going, I'm having the most fun in eve that I've had in a long time (since the FE wars). As to how the war is going for us, its great, we're still opperating as we normally do, we mine when we want, chain when we want and fight the war when we want. The difference between this war and the old F-E war or TTI war is that our opperations have not been shut down in the slightest (unlike TTI's or FE's wars where every night mining had to stop etc and became impossible to do). Instead we've just been given a target rich environment to play in, and we're having a ball. Although it would be nice for someone to explain the reasons that war was declared on the PA, cause I ain't heard those yet... either that or a link to a thread where its discussed (prior to decsending into a flamefest I guess ) Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Phonix	Posted - 2004.06.08 00:42:00 - [124] Originally by: TMX FU and COD are getting hammerd bad losing more then over a 100bs's. JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it EV who are they? never seen them RKK is fighting but gets outnummberd the whole time lol. Norad moved there blob arround but havent seem them this weekend. Where the hell did you get those numbers?? I have lost 2 in this battle and 1 was afk.. We maybe have lost 15-20 bs this battle so far i cant vouche for CoD. But the last couple days we havnt had very mant losses.. So TMX pls chill out.. -------------- Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
Corpus Kristi	Posted - 2004.06.08 00:49:00 - [125] Originally by: Phonix Originally by: TMX FU and COD are getting hammerd bad losing more then over a 100bs's. JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it EV who are they? never seen them RKK is fighting but gets outnummberd the whole time lol. Norad moved there blob arround but havent seem them this weekend. Where the hell did you get those numbers?? I have lost 2 in this battle and 1 was afk.. We maybe have lost 15-20 bs this battle so far i cant vouche for CoD. But the last couple days we havnt had very mant losses.. So TMX pls chill out.. Well.... c'mon guys... both sides...we want to see the pics's... all these mass battles... someone must have some fraps worth looking at..... or maybe the claims by both sides are a little inflated.....
Corpus Kristi	Posted - 2004.06.08 01:38:00 - [126] EVIDENCE...... stop your lunatic claims unless you guys are posting some fraps footage to go with it..... I WANT TO SEE THE MOVIES...........
Nafri	Posted - 2004.06.08 01:43:00 - [127] Originally by: Corpus Kristi Originally by: ponieus well from the fight i seen the other night PA took more losses than the fleet I was with.. Both sides fought long and hard and took losses... But We came out on top... I cant wait to get involved in more battles... So much fun Interesting....... According to a previous post R-K have killed approx 37 Ships and have the fraps to prove it.... 'if' and/or when that appears we will all be able see who has been talking a good fight and who has been fighting the good fight..... No doubt you will be publishing your fraps footage of the host of kills you have as well... so far I have seen one fraps where the enemies of the PA killed 2 ships..... Maybe you all have been drinking to much (or not enough).... Come on guys...lets see the evidence.... after all... Seeing is believing ha i made a ebil Pa force running alone by sitting at a safespot today!! try to top this Wanna fly with me?
Corpus Kristi	Posted - 2004.06.08 01:57:00 - [128] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Corpus Kristi Originally by: ponieus well from the fight i seen the other night PA took more losses than the fleet I was with.. Both sides fought long and hard and took losses... But We came out on top... I cant wait to get involved in more battles... So much fun Interesting....... According to a previous post R-K have killed approx 37 Ships and have the fraps to prove it.... 'if' and/or when that appears we will all be able see who has been talking a good fight and who has been fighting the good fight..... No doubt you will be publishing your fraps footage of the host of kills you have as well... so far I have seen one fraps where the enemies of the PA killed 2 ships..... Maybe you all have been drinking to much (or not enough).... Come on guys...lets see the evidence.... after all... Seeing is believing ha i made a ebil Pa force running alone by sitting at a safespot today!! try to top this Without providing the rest of Eve some entertainment in the form of a small movie... your claims are brushed aside.... come on... share some love with the rest of us... lets see action.....
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2004.06.08 02:33:00 - [129] Originally by: TMX JF fly in frigs the whole time and suck in it That one's getting old. Ask SharkBigDog's new incarnation, and then note how your superior officer didn't want to have a killcount flame. Originally by: Mongo Peck (Ps ... thankyou to the pilot complaining in P3EN thats its "unfair" to attack a group of frigates, cruisers, battleships in a lone Interceptor) LOL! Originally by: KIAInk> OFFICIAL RONA NORTHERN WAR REPORT We are having lots of fun END REPORT Now THAT is my kind of report war report. =) Originally by: Presidio I am really getting tired of this LAG exuse everyone is using. When there is lag it affects everyone. It does, but remember that those that are warping in suffer lag in the very painting of the "scene" - those that are warped upon have already loaded the scene (the grid/gate/station/planet/cAKe) and any drones or 2 billion mines their buddies have deployed. The ones warping in have to "catch up" on all of that while under fire. Originally by: Darken Two Thermo nuclear reactions dude Dammit mate, I knew someone stole my forum nukes. Give them back, I want to flame! =(
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.06.08 03:05:00 - [130] I dont kill battleships, I seduce them into submission Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.06.08 07:48:00 - [131] Evidence? theres 3 in that PA video, we got 2 others earlier today...(dont think any fraps of it) Theres more, a video will be released :) -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Rogue 1690	Posted - 2004.06.08 08:13:00 - [132] Originally by: The End The Forums have been quiet and i have noticed there hasnt been much blobs as they used too Did the JPA give up against the PA already?? I want some info and i want it now! First one to give me some info gets a Half filled Mustard bottle. The End bet you wished you had'nt bothered asking now
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2004.06.08 09:16:00 - [133] Keep the thread on topic. Flaming and trolling will be moderated according to the forum rules. Persistant flamers and trolls are being watched very closely (we know who you are!), action will be taken if you continue to ignore the forum rules. Thread re-opened. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)
Earthan	Posted - 2004.06.08 09:25:00 - [134] I think PA should be begining to stop feeling so safe " that they can mine anytime they want", there are many gruops operating behind thir lines,I took part in taking out 2 of their bs deep in Venal territory, and i have joined the war only recently. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.06.08 09:56:00 - [135] Originally by: Earthan I think PA should be begining to stop feeling so safe " that they can mine anytime they want", there are many gruops operating behind thir lines,I took part in taking out 2 of their bs deep in Venal territory, and i have joined the war only recently. But how can that be monsieur Earthan? Bobby has told us: Quote: "There are no NCA infidels in Venal, Branch or Tenal (they are all hitech theatrical mockup battleships that represent no risk to PA miners)" ;) by Eris Discordia JF Public Forum
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.06.08 09:59:00 - [136] I got ganked running around in a ** ass slow scorp setup. Lol was so funny. Although those things are ** as cheap to replace now. (Almost the same as an interceptor).
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.06.08 10:51:00 - [137] Edited by: KIAInkZ on 08/06/2004 10:55:20 Originally by: Hamatitio yes all 4 of those "battleships" went down awful fast Your the one that keeps saying we're gonna say we shot you down in battleships, but we all know we've shot you down in frigs and cruisers, cause that's all you'll risk ;) As for R-K kill lists, all I'll say at this time is that we are struggling to keep it up to date. Kamicrazy, if it makes you feel better, for some retarded reason when we killed you I left my drones behind as we rushed off to chase an armagedon at the other gate. Due to this reason I lost my scorp to FU later that night when 4 frigs got me and I couldn't kill them quick enough to escape their fleet in the next system and lost my scorp :\| --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Psyanide	Posted - 2004.06.08 11:44:00 - [138] Originally by: Hamatitio Evidence? theres 3 in that PA video, we got 2 others earlier today...(dont think any fraps of it) Theres more, a video will be released :) so... you have film of 3 kills....out of ... umm.. I thinkthe number touted was....'over 100'.... I see a small difference between the two numbers.....
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.06.08 11:53:00 - [139] Originally by: Jade Constantine But how can that be monsieur Earthan? Bobby has told us: Quote: "There are no NCA infidels in Venal, Branch or Tenal (they are all hitech theatrical mockup battleships that represent no risk to PA miners)" ;) by Eris Discordia I hope you're quoting some other Bobby. Cuz if you're supposedly quoting me I'd love to see the link to that. BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.06.08 11:56:00 - [140] I'll let you into a secret about the mining ops you've been trying to disrupt in venal once the wars over Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.06.08 12:02:00 - [141] Originally by: KIAHicks I'll let you into a secret about the mining ops you've been trying to disrupt in venal once the wars over What's that? that you haven't informed your pilots that they need to use heavy drones when mining? This newsitem has a hint. Pain is meant to be felt
Artegg	Posted - 2004.06.08 12:28:00 - [142] Originally by: Corpus Kristi EVIDENCE...... stop your lunatic claims unless you guys are posting some fraps footage to go with it..... I WANT TO SEE THE MOVIES........... You need to chill out I am making the movie and i have been away for the last 3 days i will try and finish it today and as for out kill count well lets just say i am in charge of updating in and its bloody hugh. So far we have 58 ships that have been noted down of which 30 were battleships. On top of that in the large fight in p-f on the first day of the war r-k pilots killed 10 lone battleships at the sun planets etc as well as being involved all the killings at the gate which we dont count because they are joint opps...... i hope that help to clarify
Earthan	Posted - 2004.06.08 12:35:00 - [143] Originally by: Jade Constantine But how can that be monsieur Earthan? Bobby has told us: Quote: "There are no NCA infidels in Venal, Branch or Tenal (they are all hitech theatrical mockup battleships that represent no risk to PA miners)" ;) by Eris Discordia Lol Jade , but he got a point: I am mostly a threat to war battleships not to miners, and the 2 bs we took down had for sure war fittings. However there are many interceptors behind their lines wich, from what I know, do a great job and really are a threat to miners/haulers. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Earthan	Posted - 2004.06.08 12:37:00 - [144] And for those wanting movie evidence , sorry , none from me, i got no top of line computer wich could handle playing Eve and recording. And realize that it's the case of most of us, it really takes a fast comp to cope with both tasks Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.08 13:05:00 - [145] Oh yea Im sure everyone in the PA is lying and its just the NCA that are so incredibly honest that they are unable to lie even if they wanted to. Let me give you a few examples of the NCA's "truthful" statements. "we are winning 95% of all the battles" "we are winning 80% of all battles" "they killed a couple of hours because it was so laggy" "I didnt lose a bship" yes yes the PA are lying. In actual reality our ships explode as soon as we see the righteous fury of the NCA pilots in their frigs. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Grimster	Posted - 2004.06.08 13:05:00 - [146] Well I just think the war is great fun, just the stuff I play Eve for. I also gotta admit I've not come across any smack yet (only got back into it on Friday after a week away), so props to all the guys I've fought - I think you're all FAB!
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.06.08 13:06:00 - [147] Edited by: Maud Dib on 08/06/2004 13:15:35 Nobody has any idea how many ships have been killed period. The best guess is how many ships you have seen die but even then with " The ship you are targeting is exploding" thing you never really know. There are only two things I know for certain in this fight. 1. People on both sides have lied to their friends about ships they say they have killed. 2. Nothing has been lost by either side that can't be replaced. Until POS come in this is a pretty shooter game so even if you killed a billion ships it still means crap. just enjoy the game.
Grimster	Posted - 2004.06.08 13:08:00 - [148] Edited by: Grimster on 08/06/2004 13:09:55 Originally by: Maud Dib Nobody has any idea how many ships have been killed period. The best guess is how many ships you have seen die but even then with " The ship you are targeting is exploding" thing you never really know. There are only two things I know for certain in this fight. 1. People on both sides have lied to their friends about ships they say they have killed. 2. Nothing has been lost by either side that can'tt be replaced. Until POS come in this is a pretty shooter game so even if you killed a billion ships it still means crap. just enjoy the game. /me cheers and claps!
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.08 13:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Maud Dib Nobody has any idea how many ships have been killed period. The best guess is how many ships you have seen die but even then with " The ship you are targeting is exploding" thing you never really know. There are only two things I know for certain in this fight. 1. People on both sides have lied to their friends about ships they say they have killed. 2. Nothing has been lost by either side that can'tt be replaced. Until POS come in this is a pretty shooter game so even if you killed a billion ships it still means crap. just enjoy the game. I agree. I'm totally against pointless kill lists especially because all they seem to do is provide a handy flame bait for everyone else. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2004.06.08 13:21:00 - [150] R-K counts a kill when the target that is current primary, turns from a active Target square, into a cargo container. At which point the seconndary target becomes the primary, and the cycle continues. Its very easy to see ship kills, especially in a battleship vs battleship engagement. Warping out etc all give a different effect to popping. That said, in fleet engagements of numbers over 12-15 per side, its a lot harder to tell whats happened. Pod kills are only counted if we can recover the corpse. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i

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