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Hackett	Posted - 2004.06.07 15:59:00 - [61] Is this Northern War thing like in The Goodies where they wore flat caps and hit each other with black puddings?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:00:00 - [62] Originally by: Hackett Is this Northern War thing like in The Goodies where they wore flat caps and hit each other with black puddings? ** off or I'll set my whippet on you! /me pets his pigeons LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Silent Guard have a pretty decent tactic that got them two BS kills yesterday but I doubt it will work again. It's a pity that last night, when there were even numbers in LS-JEP, you chose not to engage. Aren't PA paying you enough so you can risk your precious BS? We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. But all you guys did was **** around in frigates warping in ad out - hardly makes for an entertaining evening. lol you had more scorpions (up to 9 by the end of the day) than we had battleships(we had between 5-9 most of the day), we were under the impression we had backup coming but it never turn up so we headed back. PA are paying us pretty good money to keep you boys busy, honest. Limpy Bint
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:21:00 - [64] OFFICIAL RONA NORTHERN WAR REPORT We are having lots of fun END REPORT --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
TMX	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:23:00 - [65] Yup ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:29:00 - [66] I have to ask and its for fun ........ "When" I turn up in EC which side isn't going to shoot at me. If I'm a duck in this shoot its nice to know before hand..... Mongo speaks !!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:31:00 - [67] Originally by: limpy bint Originally by: Joshua Calvert Silent Guard have a pretty decent tactic that got them two BS kills yesterday but I doubt it will work again. It's a pity that last night, when there were even numbers in LS-JEP, you chose not to engage. Aren't PA paying you enough so you can risk your precious BS? We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. But all you guys did was ** around in frigates warping in ad out - hardly makes for an entertaining evening. lol you had more scorpions (up to 9 by the end of the day) than we had battleships(we had between 5-9 most of the day), we were under the impression we had backup coming but it never turn up so we headed back. PA are paying us pretty good money to keep you boys busy, honest. Limpy Bint Nah, at the point where we had even numbers Mechanix asked us to scoop our drones, I believe we only had 2 scorpions at that point. Still, I won't complain. I wouldn't have fought us then either LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:35:00 - [68] Na Jadrut "muppet" posts get removed ........ case closed. Yap Yap Mongo speaks !!
ermo	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:38:00 - [69] Quote: I'll be very suprised if the cost of losses substantially affect the outcome of this war. Case in point is my scorpion. Cost to build: 52.8m Cost to insure: 20 mil or so. Cost to equip (heavy on launchers) 3 mil or so. Total cost: 76 mil Total insurance payout: 71 mil Total Loss: 5 mil (Approx 9.5 minutes of crokite mining with domnix + 9 harvs) People are parking battleships and switching to frigates and cruisers because, while impressive as hell, everyone is realizing that effective large scale fleet battles are near impossible with the lag situation. As unfortunate as it is, frigates and cruisers have more varied and effective roles in smaller strike force type operations than battleships do. I think those calculations are wrong.... Using your price for a scorpion its 52.8mill to build give or take a few mill depending on the going mineral prices. Fine so you go forth spank some roids and you have your minerals to make the ship...........crunch bang wallop........ships built. You now need to find 20 mill to insure it and 3mill or so to fit it like you said. So your grand total, comes to 76 mill and your insurance premium pays out 71 mill. You lose 5mill - however youve lost 25mill because of the insurance payment and this then becomes another 23mill to insure and refit the new scorpion so its actually a 48mill loss for the running of a destroyed scorp and the inception of a new one. that is 2 hours mining crokite with an apoc with 8 miner II's. But youve just lost your only BS so you have to mine in a cruiser so your best is gonna be 5 miner II's and thats gonna take over 3 hours to make up. So economically this war will start to hit smaller corps alot harder and even relatively sized ones will suffer if their ship losses increase. Its simple economics, if you dont have the materials/funds to replace whats lost, you have a big problem. This war will become much more spread out as a result and I'm not going to speculate on everybodies real involvements in the war because each and every 1 of us knows deep down, how long it is taking, to replace ships either by ones self, or with corporate aid. Theres a good chance the war will simply come to a grinding halt because the demand far outweighs the supply. 2004.06.12 23:05:27combatYour Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes ********** wrecking for 1056.5 damage.
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:42:00 - [70] Originally by: KIAInkZ OFFICIAL RONA NORTHERN WAR REPORT We are having lots of fun END REPORT Now that's a more like it, I can say on behalf of BNC and NORAD that we are too. It would be nice to fight a couple of big fleet battles, I was realy hoping for some spectacular fights like we had against FE in the first Fade war.... alas for the lag! To be honest I'm really enjoying the war, there's a lot of very friendly behaviour between NORAD and PA (from what I've witnessed) whilst we are trying to blow each other up. Top fun Eve Blacklight Style
Raeff	Posted - 2004.06.07 16:59:00 - [71] war is going according to how we thought it would .. no surprises other than the horrible lag
crice	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:07:00 - [72] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Silent Guard have a pretty decent tactic that got them two BS kills yesterday but I doubt it will work again. It's a pity that last night, when there were even numbers in LS-JEP, you chose not to engage. Aren't PA paying you enough so you can risk your precious BS? We even scooped up our drones at the time because Mechanix was worried about lag. But all you guys did was **** around in frigates warping in ad out - hardly makes for an entertaining evening. My personal issue: I would have been happy to leave you guys alone. Problem: Zoser from IMRS flew into our space and "tried" to attack haulers and our allies flying the corp tag "Friends of EV". I made the assumption that they were new to your alliance and were told to go and attack us out of good faith. Right? Wrong? You don't come and attack RUS,Crice,Corp1,OTA,Endless,Paladins,Solar Dragons and expect no response. What fun would that be? "SO you aint seen nothing yet".
Rodnork	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Raeff war is going according to how we thought it would .. no surprises other than the horrible lag Ur kidding no one
TerminusX	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:10:00 - [74] As a member of Unicor, we have definitely been in large scale assaults involving PA. Most of the blob wars happened on memorial day weekend however. Since, the Vale area and such have been more filled with pirate syndicate boys than anything else (PA nap?....payoff...who knows). At any rate, has been great fun. As for lag, I have lost a ship to a lag kill in a small engagement (10 on 10 or so)....had 80% shields pointing at celestial object...got mass targetted, clicked to get out.....next thing I know....dead. I love it when you click your shield module and it turns on when your into structure. This issue does need to be resolved. Perhaps CCP need to have 'blob' sentry duty where resources can be 'beefed' up with GM request or something when a battle is going to occur. It sucks to not be able to blob war....its fun. As for The End, I'm with Luc on this one...you are getting a little annoying. Most of your teammates do not talk smack, but you unfortunately do quite often. Perhaps you need to get out of that frigate and get into a BS and lets see if you have guts to fight? I have seen improvement in Pirate tactics in Vale, that I will say, which makes things much funner and more challenging. Divine Retribution - My name is TerminusX, prepare to die.
The End	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:26:00 - [75] Originally by: TerminusX As a member of Unicor, we have definitely been in large scale assaults involving PA. Most of the blob wars happened on memorial day weekend however. Since, the Vale area and such have been more filled with pirate syndicate boys than anything else (PA nap?....payoff...who knows). At any rate, has been great fun. As for lag, I have lost a ship to a lag kill in a small engagement (10 on 10 or so)....had 80% shields pointing at celestial object...got mass targetted, clicked to get out.....next thing I know....dead. I love it when you click your shield module and it turns on when your into structure. This issue does need to be resolved. Perhaps CCP need to have 'blob' sentry duty where resources can be 'beefed' up with GM request or something when a battle is going to occur. It sucks to not be able to blob war....its fun. As for The End, I'm with Luc on this one...you are getting a little annoying. Most of your teammates do not talk smack, but you unfortunately do quite often. Perhaps you need to get out of that frigate and get into a BS and lets see if you have guts to fight? I have seen improvement in Pirate tactics in Vale, that I will say, which makes things much funner and more challenging. guts to fight? Using a frig going up against 5+ BS's Takes a lot of guts to do Frigs are just as important as BS's in fights without warp scrambling There is really like no kills being 5km of a Ship that is getting pounded by missles is very risky :) I fly frigs cuz they are fun. Your guys came in fdz with frigs and they got owned by me and plutus. not to mention we took out a caracal in frigs I talk smack because i can If you got a problem with it do something about it. But unfortuantly you guys have shown us that you cant. I pay for this game to kill people like you You pay for this game to Die by people like me Good day
Buddrow	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:37:00 - [76] A thought From Buddrow Gentlemen, I grow very tired of having these skewed numbers. First off, your speculation on losses needs to come to reality. First of Cod took a serious beating regarding losses in the start of this war. Did it faze us? NO! Do you hear us talking peace NO & No. Cut the psychological warfare stuff, or at least the lying. As for how Cod is doing in the war. We are attacking branch daily we are being attacked. Exodus held 2 stations in branch and one in tenal for awhile. So stop acting like we are sitting in stations quivering. We are smacking you in the mouth just as you are doing to us. You can stop making claims of victory in this war whenever. You have won some battles you have lost some. We are having a load of fun, as I am sure you are. As for lies and forum flaming, cut it out. Just shows youÆre petty. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.07 17:40:00 - [77] Quote: guts to fight? Using a frig going up against 5+ BS's Takes a lot of guts to do I don't want to flame you, The End, but I would hardly class warping in and out without even locking as "going up against". Plutus does this frequently in his pod - does that class as "pvp engagement"? You guys have done a halfway decent job. Please don't let it go to your heads. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Gafton	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:02:00 - [78] i'm in agreement. posting kills/losses is stupid. Theres no way to verify the kill, and even the kill mail is faulty sometimes. Posting "we've killed a ton of the enemy" doesnt do anything but cause flames. As the enemy is still there you havnt killed enough of em have you? That being said, leave kill:loss stuff outa the forums. Unless theres an official kill monitoring system, it all boils down to a he said/she said. Once the war is over there will be a victor. That victor can then say with certainty that he killed off the enemy or forced them to surrender. So please, keep the kill counts to our respective forums and out of this one. Both sides will disagree on numbers so lets not start. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead.
Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:02:00 - [79] Edited by: Presidio on 07/06/2004 18:05:22 I am really getting tired of this LAG exuse everyone is using. When there is lag it affects everyone. Don't blame your shortcomings on lag. You can't put up a serious offencive because you... nm, I don't want to flame. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Dispader	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:11:00 - [80] Quote: I think those calculations are wrong.... Using your price for a scorpion its 52.8mill to build give or take a few mill depending on the going mineral prices. Fine so you go forth spank some roids and you have your minerals to make the ship...........crunch bang wallop........ships built. You now need to find 20 mill to insure it and 3mill or so to fit it like you said. So your grand total, comes to 76 mill and your insurance premium pays out 71 mill. You lose 5mill - however youve lost 25mill because of the insurance payment and this then becomes another 23mill to insure and refit the new scorpion so its actually a 48mill loss for the running of a destroyed scorp and the inception of a new one. Geez, are u drunk? Or just wanted to present your "analysis" on the forum so bad you forgot to think? Your numbers are way off and the original poster was right. Stay away from battleship economics and go sign up for a mining contract with the big boys, chief.
Blockoindi	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:18:00 - [81] Originally by: Gafton i'm in agreement. posting kills/losses is stupid. Theres no way to verify the kill, and even the kill mail is faulty sometimes. Posting "we've killed a ton of the enemy" doesnt do anything but cause flames. As the enemy is still there you havnt killed enough of em have you? That being said, leave kill:loss stuff outa the forums. Unless theres an official kill monitoring system, it all boils down to a he said/she said. Once the war is over there will be a victor. That victor can then say with certainty that he killed off the enemy or forced them to surrender. So please, keep the kill counts to our respective forums and out of this one. Both sides will disagree on numbers so lets not start. Sure there are ways of verifing it, screen shots and fraps
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:41:00 - [82] Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Jherek Cornelian	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:41:00 - [83] Originally by: The End guts to fight? Using a frig going up against 5+ BS's Takes a lot of guts to do Frigs are just as important as BS's in fights without warp scrambling There is really like no kills being 5km of a Ship that is getting pounded by missles is very risky :) I fly frigs cuz they are fun. Your guys came in fdz with frigs and they got owned by me and plutus. not to mention we took out a caracal in frigs I talk smack because i can If you got a problem with it do something about it. But unfortuantly you guys have shown us that you cant. I pay for this game to kill people like you You pay for this game to Die by people like me Good day Wise words indeed. You are obviously a skilled player - a mature and a well rounded individual -your words are an inspiration to us all. A natural born leader whose skills will long be remembered after EVE has gone.
Robeyone	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Whatever http://www.ronacorp.com
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 18:58:00 - [85] Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Yea ok Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Notferr	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:04:00 - [86] Edited by: Notferr on 07/06/2004 19:23:25 Originally by: Robeyone Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Whatever I would put it at a more pessimestic 80% of co-ordinated fleet battles, but the spirit of Ham's statement is correct. You guys prob have more ganking kills. So, like, 'Whatever' to your 'Whatever', Robeynegativeone - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Fred0	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:08:00 - [87] Originally by: Jade Constantine 02 May 2004 I think PA would fall in a week if we played it right Originally by: Jade Constantine a month later As you probably know however, PA is absolutely massive with a wealth of battleships and corps and [B]this war was never going to be won in a week. sorry for the chopping but wanted to highlight the good parts ;)
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:12:00 - [88] Originally by: Notferr Originally by: Robeyone Originally by: Hamatitio Well, I dont want to flame and all that crap (heh) but, I do believe "JPA" has one 95% of the battles fought since that horrible 120v30 fight lol. That is of course, when PA doesnt run when they (OMG) they! get outblobbed. Never thought it could happen? happened not once, not twice, but thrice. One ended in 3 frigs ganking an afk tempest in full retreat. (FRAPS is editing) Whatever I would put it at a more pessimestic 80% of co-ordinated fleet battles, but the spirit of Ham's statement is correct. You guys prob have more ganking kills. So, like, 'Whatever' to your 'Whatever', Robynegativeone He said whatever. Why the namecalling? And what the feck does robeynegativeone mean anyway? As for the 80% victories for you lot....rofl yea ok Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Riddari	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Presidio I am really getting tired of this LAG exuse everyone is using. When there is lag it affects everyone. Not equally ¼©¼ a history
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.06.07 19:15:00 - [90] Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 07/06/2004 19:22:19 Lol. Y'know, when I answered The End this AM b4 work I seriously thought this thread would go forward without a flame fest. BW P.S. As the first to flame, TMX will get spanked on the bare bottom with the instrument of his choice, by the PA leader of his choice. PPS. I didn't make up the silly JPA name. Or the other silly northern alliance name. I typically refer to all combatants including ours by the names they chose before this silly war, and usually by corp tickers as it's easier. For a primer on how to invent names for polical manipulation purposes it's not worth the dime to call me. Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.

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