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Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 371	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:10:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious. How does player A, who mines, effect, you, Player B, who absolutely abhors asteroids? Is it because you live in nullsec and you feel you're missing out on someone who could be a possible target? Or are a lot of people feeling extra trolly? I wanna know. Fly Safe, Die Hard
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 30	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:40:00 - [2] - Quote People hate miners for several reasons. A) They are easy to hate. B) HIgh Sec miners are so averse to risk that when they are killed they whine to CCP about it. C) Miners are like the nerds in high school. (See A). People who mine for pure isk these days are kind of the lowest common denominator. Because there isn't much money to be made in mining right now, and AFK ratting is so easy, there really isn't an excuse for people to be mining.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 380	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:50:00 - [3] - Quote I love how gankers, whom the game mechanics heavily favor, like to say "risk averse" as though: a.) They know what it means. b.) It's not what they are. Don't you? Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold.
Gantz Tleilax Tleilax Foundation 55	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:53:00 - [4] - Quote I'm a miner, and I ******* hate myself.
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 159	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:18:00 - [5] - Quote Gantz Tleilax wrote: I'm a miner, and I ******* hate myself. We need some A/B details in that post so that we can A) properly sum up the level of hate and B) diagnose the root cause of it all
Gyozshil154 EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:29:00 - [6] - Quote I quite enjoy it. I've always been an industrialist kind of character in games.
knobber Jobbler Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn 70	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:34:00 - [7] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: People hate miners for several reasons. A) They are easy to hate. B) HIgh Sec miners are so averse to risk that when they are killed they whine to CCP about it. C) Miners are like the nerds in high school. (See A). People who mine for pure isk these days are kind of the lowest common denominator. Because there isn't much money to be made in mining right now, and AFK ratting is so easy, there really isn't an excuse for people to be mining. Yeah, cause like no one needs ISK in EVE. I buy ships with tears.
Raiykjab Federal Navy Academy 14	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:42:00 - [8] - Quote In before "Eve has miners?" Eve has miners?!
Samantha Utama Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 55	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:07:00 - [9] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: I'm curious. How does player A, who mines, effect, you, Player B, who absolutely abhors asteroids? Is it because you live in nullsec and you feel you're missing out on someone who could be a possible target? Or are a lot of people feeling extra trolly? I wanna know. For you reading pleasure: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762 Everything you wanted to know and more
Kai Tel State War Academy Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:11:00 - [10] - Quote I personally do not mine and frankly lack the patience to do so. I couldnGÇÖt sub to a game just to watch a movie while waiting on mining lasers to tap out. But I donGÇÖt hate miners and see little point in ganking them. IGÇÖm more the sort to quietly wait and watch for someone to bring that prized Proteus out to play when considering a sport target. So why do I think some hate miners? Because it is an ISK faucet that requires little actual playing (and some would say skill) to tap and is a predominantly PVE activity in what a select group considers a PVP oriented game. They are easy kills for taking something away from another player in a PVP environment to say that youGÇÖve won one today, just another kill mail to point to.

Momoyo Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 14	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:13:00 - [11] - Quote I think it has a lot to do with the rampant botting in high. I started as a high sec miner and I still mine in high with alts to build capitals and ships for my friends and myself. Personally if I suspect a bot I will gank them or report them.
Blatant Forum Alt Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:24:00 - [12] - Quote Its because mining was designed for bots by CCP so players could blob on their mains. CCP never expected anyone to be stupid to manually do a task for botting... the anti-miner hate is actually rough love, we are trying to stop you stupidly mining when mining was never meant as a game mechanic for actual players.
Ludi Burek The Player Haters Corp 39	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:03:00 - [13] - Quote Miners are the equivalent to uneducated poor people in real life. You may say in outrage, "How derogatory!". Let me break it down then. uneducated in real life = knows next to nothing beyond popular culture absorbed through media. ignorant of so many things in life. miners in eve = know next to nothing beyond mining. ignorant of majority of possibilities in eve poor in rl = can't afford luxuries. usually works for minimal wage or close to. personal damage to property or other financial loss hurts miners in eve = works for minimal wage. can't afford luxuries like a jump freighter to haul around empire afk just because it has double the HP of a freighter. personal damage to e-property hurts. Both have a predisposition to providing tears.
Acac Sunflyier Burning Star L.L.C. 108	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:07:00 - [14] - Quote I think it's more like, there isn't much miners can do back. Miners are deathly important to eve. If I could, I'd try to defend them. Alas, gankers are so fast, there isn't much I can do to defend a hulk.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 416	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:12:00 - [15] - Quote Kai Tel wrote: Because it is an ISK faucet that requires little actual playing (and some would say skill) to tap and is a predominantly PVE activity in what a select group considers a PVP oriented game. They are not an ISK faucet. Never seen a roid drop ISK to date. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Darth A30NZ Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent 471	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:16:00 - [16] - Quote Obvious why every likes miners. New Eden Spotlight full episode list.-á https://www.youtube.com/user/NewEdenSpotlight/videos
Xioden Acap White Whales 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:22:00 - [17] - Quote Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears.
Blatant Forum Alt Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:40:00 - [18] - Quote Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying...
Raieth Crimson Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:43:00 - [19] - Quote Blatant Forum Alt wrote: Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying... ORLY!
Aranakas Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:44:00 - [20] - Quote PVP in high sec is a joke. People pick on miners because they enjoy pampers and hate a fair fight.

Prince Kobol 275	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:46:00 - [21] - Quote Blatant Forum Alt wrote: Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying... They have done however if CCP do change drone poo to just bounties then things should get interesting
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:52:00 - [22] - Quote Darth A30NZ wrote: Obvious why every likes miners. PvPers who can't instawarp their pods.
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 371	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:57:00 - [23] - Quote Some interesting opinions here. You guys are probably wondering about me, but here's how I have been playing the past couple of years. A) I mine and/or do PI B) I manufacture C) I can-flip D) I (sometimes) roam around low-sec E) I (sometimes) live in Wormholes F) My corporation is sometimes part of an Alliance (null-sec or what-have-you) G) I do missions here and there H) I lose a lot of PODs I) I do exploration J) And I run probably one of the smallest corporations in EVE I really can't figure out what exactly it is I want to do and stick with. Wormholes are sounding attractive again, but I like being able to dock when I want to. And, yeah, this isn't the only character I've ever played with, just my favorite, for now. Fly Safe, Die Hard
Gedid Tava The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 10:05:00 - [24] - Quote OP: There's very little actual hate. The number of people who feel actual hate for miners is small and those people are taking their internet space ships -far- too seriously. What you're seeing is a very common human behavior where those who engage in questionable behavior (questionable to the miners, obviously) then develop a party line that justifies their actions. Hate? Oh no. It's just easy targets and using evocative rhetoric to prop themselves up. It happens. I found the "Why are miners evil." post equal parts comical and saddening. I got my start in EVE as a miner and have been mining in every MMO I've played since EQ. I can't quite explain it but I find the act calming, almost meditative. I reap actual pleasure from pulling rocks from other rocks. And, yes, I have gone through quite the rock collection IRL as well. Am I representative of the whole? Hardly, however, I also serve to disprove the black/white nature that people attempt to claim as reality. Why don't I mine anymore? Opportunity cost, mostly. I could hisec mine but it's a -fantastic- waste of time compared to other ways to pull in isk that I then use on ships that are then blown up. What? Someone who mined to fund PvP? Impossible! But no, it's true! I could go to null and mine but then I would have to deal with null politics and.. yea.. no. I live in WHs and I mine gas from time to time but most I choose to use my cannons to mine sleepers instead. For me, it doesn't matter if my lasers are shooting rocks or rats, if I'm doing something easy to get stuff to sell so I can buy boats and shoot other players then that's that. There's little true miner hate, Virginia. It's just bullies being bullies and not having the stones to say "I like making people sad so I can feel good." Old news.
Spectre80 The Knights Templar GIANTSBANE. 53	Posted - 2012.03.24 10:11:00 - [25] - Quote i only hate miners who are bots or use macros to keep mining all day. other than that i would never kill a miner outside of 0.0 i have better targets that can actually shoot back. what joy is there to kill someone who wont even fight back?
Xioden Acap White Whales 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 11:05:00 - [26] - Quote Blatant Forum Alt wrote: Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying... Battle Hulks. That is all.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 404	Posted - 2012.03.24 11:54:00 - [27] - Quote It only appears to be a lot of folks hating on Industry. It's actually just a zealous small minority (mosly lead by the Goons). You must understand they have the mindset of the Religious Right in America: "you will do things our way, you bad person, or else...." It's the 'or else' you must ignore. They will eventually get bored and move on to some other game...............may take awhile, but nothing is permanent. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 30	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:09:00 - [28] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I love how gankers, whom the game mechanics heavily favor, like to say "risk averse" as though: a.) They know what it means. b.) It's not what they are. Don't you? About the OP - There isn't a lot of hate for miners. There's a vocal few trying to use the forum to make it seem like there is, 'cause they don't want anyone fixing their "risky" gameplay...ganking miners...by making things difficult for them...like treating them as the criminals they are so proud to be. Are you referring to me in this post, lady? I'm a nullsec miner. There is always a huge risk in nullsec. I can't begin to tell you how many Barges and Exhumers and Orcas I've lost. Mining in Null is one of the most risky things.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 121	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:10:00 - [29] - Quote I don't hate miners. Shooting miners is like popping bubble wrap. You know you shouldn't, but there's something about it that's just irresistible. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Bootleg Jack Potters Field 27	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:30:00 - [30] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: I'm curious. How does player A, who mines, effect, you, Player B, who absolutely abhors asteroids? Is it because you live in nullsec and you feel you're missing out on someone who could be a possible target? Or are a lot of people feeling extra trolly? I wanna know. Its not miner hate, in fact it is not about you at all. It is low skill PvPers looking for easy kills.



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