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Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 371	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:10:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious. How does player A, who mines, effect, you, Player B, who absolutely abhors asteroids? Is it because you live in nullsec and you feel you're missing out on someone who could be a possible target? Or are a lot of people feeling extra trolly? I wanna know. Fly Safe, Die Hard
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 30	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:40:00 - [2] - Quote People hate miners for several reasons. A) They are easy to hate. B) HIgh Sec miners are so averse to risk that when they are killed they whine to CCP about it. C) Miners are like the nerds in high school. (See A). People who mine for pure isk these days are kind of the lowest common denominator. Because there isn't much money to be made in mining right now, and AFK ratting is so easy, there really isn't an excuse for people to be mining.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 380	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:50:00 - [3] - Quote I love how gankers, whom the game mechanics heavily favor, like to say "risk averse" as though: a.) They know what it means. b.) It's not what they are. Don't you? Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold.
Gantz Tleilax Tleilax Foundation 55	Posted - 2012.03.24 06:53:00 - [4] - Quote I'm a miner, and I ******* hate myself.
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 159	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:18:00 - [5] - Quote Gantz Tleilax wrote: I'm a miner, and I ******* hate myself. We need some A/B details in that post so that we can A) properly sum up the level of hate and B) diagnose the root cause of it all
Gyozshil154 EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:29:00 - [6] - Quote I quite enjoy it. I've always been an industrialist kind of character in games.
knobber Jobbler Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn 70	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:34:00 - [7] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: People hate miners for several reasons. A) They are easy to hate. B) HIgh Sec miners are so averse to risk that when they are killed they whine to CCP about it. C) Miners are like the nerds in high school. (See A). People who mine for pure isk these days are kind of the lowest common denominator. Because there isn't much money to be made in mining right now, and AFK ratting is so easy, there really isn't an excuse for people to be mining. Yeah, cause like no one needs ISK in EVE. I buy ships with tears.
Raiykjab Federal Navy Academy 14	Posted - 2012.03.24 07:42:00 - [8] - Quote In before "Eve has miners?" Eve has miners?!
Samantha Utama Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 55	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:07:00 - [9] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: I'm curious. How does player A, who mines, effect, you, Player B, who absolutely abhors asteroids? Is it because you live in nullsec and you feel you're missing out on someone who could be a possible target? Or are a lot of people feeling extra trolly? I wanna know. For you reading pleasure: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762 Everything you wanted to know and more
Kai Tel State War Academy Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:11:00 - [10] - Quote I personally do not mine and frankly lack the patience to do so. I couldnGÇÖt sub to a game just to watch a movie while waiting on mining lasers to tap out. But I donGÇÖt hate miners and see little point in ganking them. IGÇÖm more the sort to quietly wait and watch for someone to bring that prized Proteus out to play when considering a sport target. So why do I think some hate miners? Because it is an ISK faucet that requires little actual playing (and some would say skill) to tap and is a predominantly PVE activity in what a select group considers a PVP oriented game. They are easy kills for taking something away from another player in a PVP environment to say that youGÇÖve won one today, just another kill mail to point to.
Momoyo Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 14	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:13:00 - [11] - Quote I think it has a lot to do with the rampant botting in high. I started as a high sec miner and I still mine in high with alts to build capitals and ships for my friends and myself. Personally if I suspect a bot I will gank them or report them.
Blatant Forum Alt Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.03.24 08:24:00 - [12] - Quote Its because mining was designed for bots by CCP so players could blob on their mains. CCP never expected anyone to be stupid to manually do a task for botting... the anti-miner hate is actually rough love, we are trying to stop you stupidly mining when mining was never meant as a game mechanic for actual players.
Ludi Burek The Player Haters Corp 39	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:03:00 - [13] - Quote Miners are the equivalent to uneducated poor people in real life. You may say in outrage, "How derogatory!". Let me break it down then. uneducated in real life = knows next to nothing beyond popular culture absorbed through media. ignorant of so many things in life. miners in eve = know next to nothing beyond mining. ignorant of majority of possibilities in eve poor in rl = can't afford luxuries. usually works for minimal wage or close to. personal damage to property or other financial loss hurts miners in eve = works for minimal wage. can't afford luxuries like a jump freighter to haul around empire afk just because it has double the HP of a freighter. personal damage to e-property hurts. Both have a predisposition to providing tears.
Acac Sunflyier Burning Star L.L.C. 108	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:07:00 - [14] - Quote I think it's more like, there isn't much miners can do back. Miners are deathly important to eve. If I could, I'd try to defend them. Alas, gankers are so fast, there isn't much I can do to defend a hulk.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 416	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:12:00 - [15] - Quote Kai Tel wrote: Because it is an ISK faucet that requires little actual playing (and some would say skill) to tap and is a predominantly PVE activity in what a select group considers a PVP oriented game. They are not an ISK faucet. Never seen a roid drop ISK to date. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Darth A30NZ Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent 471	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:16:00 - [16] - Quote Obvious why every likes miners. New Eden Spotlight full episode list.-á https://www.youtube.com/user/NewEdenSpotlight/videos
Xioden Acap White Whales 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:22:00 - [17] - Quote Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears.
Blatant Forum Alt Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:40:00 - [18] - Quote Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying...
Raieth Crimson Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:43:00 - [19] - Quote Blatant Forum Alt wrote: Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying... ORLY!
Aranakas Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:44:00 - [20] - Quote PVP in high sec is a joke. People pick on miners because they enjoy pampers and hate a fair fight.
Prince Kobol 275	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:46:00 - [21] - Quote Blatant Forum Alt wrote: Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying... They have done however if CCP do change drone poo to just bounties then things should get interesting
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:52:00 - [22] - Quote Darth A30NZ wrote: Obvious why every likes miners. PvPers who can't instawarp their pods.
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 371	Posted - 2012.03.24 09:57:00 - [23] - Quote Some interesting opinions here. You guys are probably wondering about me, but here's how I have been playing the past couple of years. A) I mine and/or do PI B) I manufacture C) I can-flip D) I (sometimes) roam around low-sec E) I (sometimes) live in Wormholes F) My corporation is sometimes part of an Alliance (null-sec or what-have-you) G) I do missions here and there H) I lose a lot of PODs I) I do exploration J) And I run probably one of the smallest corporations in EVE I really can't figure out what exactly it is I want to do and stick with. Wormholes are sounding attractive again, but I like being able to dock when I want to. And, yeah, this isn't the only character I've ever played with, just my favorite, for now. Fly Safe, Die Hard
Gedid Tava The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 10:05:00 - [24] - Quote OP: There's very little actual hate. The number of people who feel actual hate for miners is small and those people are taking their internet space ships -far- too seriously. What you're seeing is a very common human behavior where those who engage in questionable behavior (questionable to the miners, obviously) then develop a party line that justifies their actions. Hate? Oh no. It's just easy targets and using evocative rhetoric to prop themselves up. It happens. I found the "Why are miners evil." post equal parts comical and saddening. I got my start in EVE as a miner and have been mining in every MMO I've played since EQ. I can't quite explain it but I find the act calming, almost meditative. I reap actual pleasure from pulling rocks from other rocks. And, yes, I have gone through quite the rock collection IRL as well. Am I representative of the whole? Hardly, however, I also serve to disprove the black/white nature that people attempt to claim as reality. Why don't I mine anymore? Opportunity cost, mostly. I could hisec mine but it's a -fantastic- waste of time compared to other ways to pull in isk that I then use on ships that are then blown up. What? Someone who mined to fund PvP? Impossible! But no, it's true! I could go to null and mine but then I would have to deal with null politics and.. yea.. no. I live in WHs and I mine gas from time to time but most I choose to use my cannons to mine sleepers instead. For me, it doesn't matter if my lasers are shooting rocks or rats, if I'm doing something easy to get stuff to sell so I can buy boats and shoot other players then that's that. There's little true miner hate, Virginia. It's just bullies being bullies and not having the stones to say "I like making people sad so I can feel good." Old news.
Spectre80 The Knights Templar GIANTSBANE. 53	Posted - 2012.03.24 10:11:00 - [25] - Quote i only hate miners who are bots or use macros to keep mining all day. other than that i would never kill a miner outside of 0.0 i have better targets that can actually shoot back. what joy is there to kill someone who wont even fight back?
Xioden Acap White Whales 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 11:05:00 - [26] - Quote Blatant Forum Alt wrote: Xioden Acap wrote: Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears. Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying... Battle Hulks. That is all.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 404	Posted - 2012.03.24 11:54:00 - [27] - Quote It only appears to be a lot of folks hating on Industry. It's actually just a zealous small minority (mosly lead by the Goons). You must understand they have the mindset of the Religious Right in America: "you will do things our way, you bad person, or else...." It's the 'or else' you must ignore. They will eventually get bored and move on to some other game...............may take awhile, but nothing is permanent. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 30	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:09:00 - [28] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I love how gankers, whom the game mechanics heavily favor, like to say "risk averse" as though: a.) They know what it means. b.) It's not what they are. Don't you? About the OP - There isn't a lot of hate for miners. There's a vocal few trying to use the forum to make it seem like there is, 'cause they don't want anyone fixing their "risky" gameplay...ganking miners...by making things difficult for them...like treating them as the criminals they are so proud to be. Are you referring to me in this post, lady? I'm a nullsec miner. There is always a huge risk in nullsec. I can't begin to tell you how many Barges and Exhumers and Orcas I've lost. Mining in Null is one of the most risky things.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 121	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:10:00 - [29] - Quote I don't hate miners. Shooting miners is like popping bubble wrap. You know you shouldn't, but there's something about it that's just irresistible. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Bootleg Jack Potters Field 27	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:30:00 - [30] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: I'm curious. How does player A, who mines, effect, you, Player B, who absolutely abhors asteroids? Is it because you live in nullsec and you feel you're missing out on someone who could be a possible target? Or are a lot of people feeling extra trolly? I wanna know. Its not miner hate, in fact it is not about you at all. It is low skill PvPers looking for easy kills.
Paragon Renegade Wyvern Operations 332	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:30:00 - [31] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Mining in Null is one of the most risky things. If you're even considering doing it, then losing anything means you're doing it wrong :D The pie is a tautology
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 389	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:32:00 - [32] - Quote People hate miners because 90% of low and null are dead. They wish there was more people out to shoot. Those 1 or 2 tengu pilots are not going to give the leet pvpers a fight while they are doing sites.
Cipher Jones 375	Posted - 2012.03.24 15:53:00 - [33] - Quote I can't answer for anybody else. I hate them because they are scum. In New Eden, there are many pirates and drones that wish to kill off the 4 races. These entities can be found everywhere. Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials. The miner is the laziest of the immortals. He sits around all day and rapes the environment instead of fighting the oppressors of humanity. He takes a smaller paycheck because he is a coward. He deserves to loose that paycheck. I have found countless miners asleep in the belts. Anyone who sleeps on the job while failing to use his immortality to fight its oppressors is the worst kind in my book. /RP cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved
gfldex 393	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:06:00 - [34] - Quote A long long time ago we where all miners. Pretty golden Apocs humming away to gain the mins to build the ship to blow up other folks ships. Then barges where introduced and a special kind of player entered the game. One that is mining to mine more and then mines to mine even more. And all that for some number in some database near London. As a result mineral prices dropped. Isogen used to be at 180 ISK back in the days. Why would you possibly want to mine for that little income? There is only one reasonable answer to that questions. Mining is easy to macro. They are all cheaters and as such disgusting. Why would you not want to hate cheaters? The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 23	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:10:00 - [35] - Quote Its because most gankers are cowards that perfer easy kills from players that can't or don't want to shoot back. That and its easy isk. They die in an actual fight, hense why they come to high for the easy kills off players that have no interest in pvp. And with the bounty system broken, they know there is absolutely no risk!
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:19:00 - [36] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials. So, how many modules you have to reprocess to get minerals for your 1000 titans?
Cipher Jones 378	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:23:00 - [37] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials. So, how many modules you have to reprocess to get minerals for your 1000 titans? Only lazy bastard would ask that question instead of figuring it out for themselves. You must be a miner. cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved
Kattshiro Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:23:00 - [38] - Quote I would have to say mining is quite risky at this point in time... So risky adverse? Not any more.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 255	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:26:00 - [39] - Quote Gedid Tava wrote: For me, it doesn't matter if my lasers are shooting rocks or rats, if I'm doing something easy to get stuff to sell so I can buy boats and shoot other players then that's that. Basically yes, mining lazers or gun lazers, it isn't really THAT different. Especially (for now anyway) when people mine minerals by killing drones with lazer guns. Especially with some semi-afk ratting ships where you drop sentries and so on, it's pretty similar to mining when you think about it. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:28:00 - [40] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Only lazy bastard would ask that question instead of figuring it out for themselves. You must be a miner. My point is you need a lot of loot to reprocess. You need way too many even to build one. Your reprocessing strategy works only with frigates and cruisers. Even then you have to buy some ot he minerals.
Cipher Jones 378	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:28:00 - [41] - Quote Xen Solarus wrote: Its because most gankers are cowards that perfer easy kills from players that can't or don't want to shoot back. That and its easy isk. They die in an actual fight, hense why they come to high for the easy kills off players that have no interest in pvp. And with the bounty system broken, they know there is absolutely no risk! The ganker looses their ship and sec status, so to say "absolutely no risk" is to say "I put absolutely no thought into it". And you say it's "easy isk", which is bragging about your own risk to reward. Shame shame. cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:31:00 - [42] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: The ganker looses their ship and sec status, so to say "absolutely no risk" is to say "I put absolutely no thought into it". And you say it's "easy isk", which is bragging about your own risk to reward. Shame shame. Risk gankers don't want to take is actually losing to player. Losing your T1 destroyer/battlecruiser to NPC isn't problem for you. For example if you fly Cane and if you even see Curse in same system you run away like a girl.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2072	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:36:00 - [43] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Risk gankers don't want to take is actually losing to player If I, as a ganker, am already resigned to losing my ship why would I care if it was from another player or from Concord? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 618	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:38:00 - [44] - Quote I don't hate miners. Just the ones who whine on the forums when they get killed and don't do anything about it other than whine on the forums. And miners aren't the only ones I hate for doing this. However, I do feel sorry for the one or two ice miners that don't bot or afk, cause that is mind killing boring.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.03.24 16:41:00 - [45] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Just the ones who whine on the forums when they get killed and don't do anything about it other than whine on the forums. And miners aren't the only ones I hate for doing this. What miners should do to protect themselves?
Meryl SinGarda Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team 373	Posted - 2012.03.24 20:52:00 - [46] - Quote Well, in my time in EVE, when I have chosen to mine, I've only ever been the target of a suicide gank once, but my drones and concord killed him before my shields were down. You can see it on my killboard if you sift through the pod/ship loses. Fly Safe, Die Hard
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 185	Posted - 2012.03.24 21:02:00 - [47] - Quote Do you know... why I hate miners? I'd like to share with you... a revelation... I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify miners as a species. I... realized that they're not actually mammals. Every mammal in this galaxy instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but miners do not. They move to an area and multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way they can survive... is to spread to another area. There is another organism in this galaxy that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Miners are a... disease, a cancer of this universe. They are a plague, and we... are the cure. I... hate this place. This... zoo, this prison, this asteroid belt, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste the stink of miners, and every time I do, I fear I have been infected by it.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2102	Posted - 2012.03.24 21:08:00 - [48] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Just the ones who whine on the forums when they get killed and don't do anything about it other than whine on the forums. And miners aren't the only ones I hate for doing this. What miners should do to protect themselves? Stop mining while alt-tabbed out doing something else. No bubbles in high-sec means exhumers are 100% safe if you are paying attention. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Nylith Empyreal Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2012.03.24 21:09:00 - [49] - Quote Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Do you know... why I hate miners? I'd like to share with you... a revelation... I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify miners as a species. I... realized that they're not actually mammals. Every mammal in this galaxy instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but miners do not. They move to an area and multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way they can survive... is to spread to another area. There is another organism in this galaxy that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Miners are a... disease, a cancer of this universe. They are a plague, and we... are the cure. I... hate this place. This... zoo, this prison, this asteroid belt, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste the stink of miners, and every time I do, I fear I have been infected by it. Can always warp out, agent Smith didn't have that option.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 258	Posted - 2012.03.24 21:15:00 - [50] - Quote Nylith Empyreal wrote: Can always warp out, agent Smith didn't have that option. Or just log out. Wait. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.03.24 21:58:00 - [51] - Quote I'm a career miner and I love it. But unlike some miners floating around Eve, I'm not risk averse. I mine in systems that I know are hot beds for ship destruction and I want to profit from the destruction of ships in general. The only people I hate around here are the kind of miners that think they are entitled to a pure My-Little-Pony/Risk-Free-Carebear system of mining in high-sec. I know what you're gonna say. Q: "But Henry, aren't you in an NPC corp where war-decs are avoided? Wouldn't that make you risk-averse?" A: No. I live in an NPC corp because I want to get away from the station-docking-games shenanigans that high-sec wardecs seem to present. Besides, while mining, I run the risk of one day facing a ganker whose ship is fitted with one purpose in mind: to lose it to Concord while inflicting as much alpha damage as possible on my ship in the limited time available before Concord arrives. I mine with one purpose in mind: to survive. Therefore, I always sacrifice yield for better tank. Q: "But Henry, if you want to mine with the best defense possible, why not mine with a battleship?" A: Like that's gonna make a difference? If gankers want to kill my ship, they will stop at nothing to ensure my destruction even if they get not returns from it. Q: "Don't you find it ironic that gankers are using the ships that you made to gank you with?" A: Irony is fun. But you know what's more fun? Seeing them pay you to get ganked as they buy those ships from you. They have effectively reimbursed my losses. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.

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