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Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:30:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Mining in Null is one of the most risky things.
If you're even considering doing it, then losing anything means you're doing it wrong :D
The pie is a tautology |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
389
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:32:00 -
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People hate miners because 90% of low and null are dead. They wish there was more people out to shoot. Those 1 or 2 tengu pilots are not going to give the leet pvpers a fight while they are doing sites. |
Cipher Jones
375
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:53:00 -
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I can't answer for anybody else.
I hate them because they are scum. In New Eden, there are many pirates and drones that wish to kill off the 4 races. These entities can be found everywhere. Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials.
The miner is the laziest of the immortals. He sits around all day and rapes the environment instead of fighting the oppressors of humanity. He takes a smaller paycheck because he is a coward. He deserves to loose that paycheck. I have found countless miners asleep in the belts. Anyone who sleeps on the job while failing to use his immortality to fight its oppressors is the worst kind in my book.
/RP
cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved |
gfldex
393
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:06:00 -
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A long long time ago we where all miners. Pretty golden Apocs humming away to gain the mins to build the ship to blow up other folks ships. Then barges where introduced and a special kind of player entered the game. One that is mining to mine more and then mines to mine even more. And all that for some number in some database near London.
As a result mineral prices dropped. Isogen used to be at 180 ISK back in the days. Why would you possibly want to mine for that little income? There is only one reasonable answer to that questions. Mining is easy to macro. They are all cheaters and as such disgusting. Why would you not want to hate cheaters?
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
23
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:10:00 -
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Its because most gankers are cowards that perfer easy kills from players that can't or don't want to shoot back. That and its easy isk.
They die in an actual fight, hense why they come to high for the easy kills off players that have no interest in pvp.
And with the bounty system broken, they know there is absolutely no risk! |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:19:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials.
So, how many modules you have to reprocess to get minerals for your 1000 titans? |
Cipher Jones
378
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:23:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials. So, how many modules you have to reprocess to get minerals for your 1000 titans?
Only lazy bastard would ask that question instead of figuring it out for themselves. You must be a miner.
cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:23:00 -
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I would have to say mining is quite risky at this point in time... So risky adverse? Not any more. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
255
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:26:00 -
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Gedid Tava wrote:For me, it doesn't matter if my lasers are shooting rocks or rats, if I'm doing something easy to get stuff to sell so I can buy boats and shoot other players then that's that.
Basically yes, mining lazers or gun lazers, it isn't really THAT different. Especially (for now anyway) when people mine minerals by killing drones with lazer guns.
Especially with some semi-afk ratting ships where you drop sentries and so on, it's pretty similar to mining when you think about it.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:28:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Only lazy bastard would ask that question instead of figuring it out for themselves. You must be a miner.
My point is you need a lot of loot to reprocess. You need way too many even to build one. Your reprocessing strategy works only with frigates and cruisers. Even then you have to buy some ot he minerals. |
Cipher Jones
378
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:28:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Its because most gankers are cowards that perfer easy kills from players that can't or don't want to shoot back. That and its easy isk.
They die in an actual fight, hense why they come to high for the easy kills off players that have no interest in pvp.
And with the bounty system broken, they know there is absolutely no risk!
The ganker looses their ship and sec status, so to say "absolutely no risk" is to say "I put absolutely no thought into it".
And you say it's "easy isk", which is bragging about your own risk to reward. Shame shame.
cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:31:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:The ganker looses their ship and sec status, so to say "absolutely no risk" is to say "I put absolutely no thought into it".
And you say it's "easy isk", which is bragging about your own risk to reward. Shame shame.
Risk gankers don't want to take is actually losing to player. Losing your T1 destroyer/battlecruiser to NPC isn't problem for you. For example if you fly Cane and if you even see Curse in same system you run away like a girl. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2072
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:36:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Risk gankers don't want to take is actually losing to player
If I, as a ganker, am already resigned to losing my ship why would I care if it was from another player or from Concord?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
618
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:38:00 -
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I don't hate miners.
Just the ones who whine on the forums when they get killed and don't do anything about it other than whine on the forums. And miners aren't the only ones I hate for doing this.
However, I do feel sorry for the one or two ice miners that don't bot or afk, cause that is mind killing boring. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:41:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Just the ones who whine on the forums when they get killed and don't do anything about it other than whine on the forums. And miners aren't the only ones I hate for doing this.
What miners should do to protect themselves? |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
373
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:52:00 -
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Well, in my time in EVE, when I have chosen to mine, I've only ever been the target of a suicide gank once, but my drones and concord killed him before my shields were down. You can see it on my killboard if you sift through the pod/ship loses.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
185
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:02:00 -
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Do you know... why I hate miners?
I'd like to share with you... a revelation... I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify miners as a species. I... realized that they're not actually mammals. Every mammal in this galaxy instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but miners do not. They move to an area and multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way they can survive... is to spread to another area. There is another organism in this galaxy that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Miners are a... disease, a cancer of this universe. They are a plague, and we... are the cure.
I... hate this place. This... zoo, this prison, this asteroid belt, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste the stink of miners, and every time I do, I fear I have been infected by it. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2102
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:08:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Just the ones who whine on the forums when they get killed and don't do anything about it other than whine on the forums. And miners aren't the only ones I hate for doing this. What miners should do to protect themselves?
Stop mining while alt-tabbed out doing something else. No bubbles in high-sec means exhumers are 100% safe if you are paying attention.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:09:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Do you know... why I hate miners?
I'd like to share with you... a revelation... I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify miners as a species. I... realized that they're not actually mammals. Every mammal in this galaxy instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but miners do not. They move to an area and multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way they can survive... is to spread to another area. There is another organism in this galaxy that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Miners are a... disease, a cancer of this universe. They are a plague, and we... are the cure.
I... hate this place. This... zoo, this prison, this asteroid belt, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste the stink of miners, and every time I do, I fear I have been infected by it.
Can always warp out, agent Smith didn't have that option. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
258
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:15:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:Can always warp out, agent Smith didn't have that option.
Or just log out.
Wait.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:58:00 -
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I'm a career miner and I love it. But unlike some miners floating around Eve, I'm not risk averse. I mine in systems that I know are hot beds for ship destruction and I want to profit from the destruction of ships in general. The only people I hate around here are the kind of miners that think they are entitled to a pure My-Little-Pony/Risk-Free-Carebear system of mining in high-sec.
I know what you're gonna say.
Q: "But Henry, aren't you in an NPC corp where war-decs are avoided? Wouldn't that make you risk-averse?"
A: No. I live in an NPC corp because I want to get away from the station-docking-games shenanigans that high-sec wardecs seem to present. Besides, while mining, I run the risk of one day facing a ganker whose ship is fitted with one purpose in mind: to lose it to Concord while inflicting as much alpha damage as possible on my ship in the limited time available before Concord arrives. I mine with one purpose in mind: to survive. Therefore, I always sacrifice yield for better tank.
Q: "But Henry, if you want to mine with the best defense possible, why not mine with a battleship?"
A: Like that's gonna make a difference? If gankers want to kill my ship, they will stop at nothing to ensure my destruction even if they get not returns from it.
Q: "Don't you find it ironic that gankers are using the ships that you made to gank you with?"
A: Irony is fun. But you know what's more fun? Seeing them pay you to get ganked as they buy those ships from you. They have effectively reimbursed my losses. 
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
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