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Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Shosoru on 26/08/2008 20:40:09 If you want to sell a character and want to know how much you can expect, if you want to buy one and want to know if it is worth the isk or if you want to make Isk with reselling of characters you might find this information handy. The Pipeline New players want to have an acceptable character if they don't have the time to train from scratch, so they buy GTC from CCP and sell them for Isk to advanced players. A 60day gtc gos for 400m and costs 30Ç a PS3 game costs 70Ç so its no problem buying 3-4 GTC for a new player. With ~1.6bill he can get a nice 8m-sp toon to start with. ~6-8m-sp is not an nber chara but just right for a beginner with a month or two experience. Advanced players are happy they get there GTC and can play the game practically for free, why quit something thats free? CCP is happy. The new player gets his toon and is happy , CCP gets 20Ç transfer fee and is happy. The new player wants his own avatar picture and pays the 10Ç to be more happy , CCP is happy. Players that are "skilled out" start a new character or buy an half trained one and skill that one instead of their main, sell that toon and get good isk for nuthing->happy. Market experts start new characters on separate accounts and only pay every second month for training them and make good isk -Happy. Many toons being dealt make advanced players that need a specialist happy and CCP very happy. At the end everyone wins. DONT REPLY YET NOT FINISHED POSTING KAY ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Shosoru on 26/08/2008 20:54:06 How much is a Character worth That always depends on the market situation and how many players offer the same product that you have. it is also imported to think of your target audience for that character. Ruffly you can say the worth of an character is its amount of skill points in millions times 200million isk i consider this a ratio of 0.2 b/m finding out the ratio of a character is allot more difficult then just that, does the character have: -good or bad standings -fittings and stuff laying around -his implants and clones -expensive skills -corp history -is he trained strait or cross -was the character in use or just for setting skills in a station -a high bounty (if its allot you should grab it yourself before putting him on auction ) -positive wallet? (once i got one with more isk then i spend on him in his wallet ^^ gave it back courses but always doable check before selling) -his avatar picture -and his name Some of those things are applied to the b/m others are applied separately. To figure out a more accurate ratio you sum up the sp in ,for the pilots main purpose, relevant skills and calculate: the sp in relevant skills * the ratio for relevant skills (at the time of this post its about 0.22-0.23 depending on the toons roll) Now you look at the skills that have not been calculated and judge buy good human sens how much they might be worth, if those non primary skills are of use and are skilled high enough to do that secondary roll good they are considered being worthy (~0.16-0.225) if the job they do is of little use they are considered less worthy (~0.16-0.0). This might be confusing to follow so i will make an example. Let us call the toon for this example Lola. Lola is a Gallente PvP pilot and really only good for PvP and some of her skills are the following Gallente BS V (2msp) Caldary BS V (2msp) Industrial V (1msp) Heavy Drones V 2m Engineering stuff 3m Mechanic stuff 1m Electronic stuff 0.3m Industry stuff 4m Science stuff How to approach this. You fined the imported stuff , Gallente BS V, Heavy Drones V and calculate them with ~0.225, then you move on and think that Caldary BS is pretty much useful since Rook uses Hybrid and apply that with ~0.21-0.22. the industrial is useful somehow but not really something you need or want so why pay for it as much as something that would have been more useful, you apply it with ~0.15-0.19. 3m in mechanics you consider being a specialization and calculate that with 0.22-0.225 but 1m electronics is more "normal" so you would calculate that with 0.2-0.215.. 300k sp industry is useless so you calc 0.15-0.0 and 4m Science , though nothing to do with pvp has its use somehow so you would consider that 0.2ish. 2m engineering are considered being something you want to have and almost complet so its a 0.215 so one would pay Gallente BS V (2msp) -0.45b Caldary BS V (2msp) -0.43b Industrial V (1msp) -0.16b Heavy Drones V(1.28) -0.32b 2m Engineering stuff -0.43b 3m Mechanic stuff -0.67b 1m Electronic stuff -0.21b 0.3m Industry stuff -0.02b 4m Science stuff -0.8b ----------------------------------------- 3.06bill isk for those 15m sp == 0.204 b/m ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:42:00 - [3] Don't think thats it. Everything that has to do with Isk is applied afterwards, it doesn't mater if you have +5 imps in a 5Msp or an 50Msp character they only cost so much. [i consider in my calculations things as +2/3 implants and clone insurance to be "normal" and thats something that isn't calculated on top of the ratio.] things like random ship parts all over the place or in low/0.0 sec are worth alot less then the market price. capitals however mostly value as mutch as thay cost new minus ~10%+ for the trouble of geting em out of the system thay are in. good organized highsec equipment is worth a bit more but not over 60-70% of the market value but if its organized it probably wount get sould with the character so you can expect that if an auchtion contains "my awsom character comes with atleaas a billion isk worth of awsom stuff" that means the stuff is evrywear in space and you'd earn more isk mining then geting that stuff together and to jita. Standings are also something that can increas or decreas a characters worth. you usualy only consider standings relevent to lvl 4+ missions and those needed to pas threw systems. Lola has standings of +8 to amarr and can do all amar lvl4s so that makes her worth more. Lola dide for the amarr some galente kill missions and has -4 to gallente ....thats bad so youd waige the standings ruffly and make a price you think is resonable for yor characters job [the standings of a pvp toon are not worth as much as the standings of a mission runner toon] In ower market situation nowdays standings usualy make a diference of not more then 300mil and are often not even considerd. If your character rely has good standings then mention them as a top feture in your auction and you can get a good amount of isk more for you toon. At the end apply some comon sense and marketing stratagie and you have a good idea of whot you might get for your character. As start bid you should take this price and go -10-20% , as buy out +10-20% or offers. but mostly you will get something in the calculated range. [Tip: if you want to bid on a character, try doing it after he got bumped up, don't want to give free bumps] [Tip: if you want to sell a character, have him bumped at 20:00-22:00 central europ time and at 21:00-21:30 midel american time ] Subtopic Trust: As a seller you want to be trustworthy, many potential buyers wont be interested in your auction if you canot pruf that you are actually selling the character, if you disobay or ignore some of the Character Bazaar Rules or ask way to little or way to mutch for your toon or simpaly act foolisch and rued on the forums. - ineve.net is your frend ! - screenshots and text are not your frends - always vertify that the character is your character buy posting with him in your auction. Don't forget to post with the resiver of the Isk aswell. - always post if your wallet is green or red. - be polite even if someone insults you. Selling multipal characters: I recomand one character per therad, you have a better overvew and you have better titel options. If you do sell them in theyr own thread be shure to link your other auctions, that has also to do with trust. If you insist on sellinge them all in one thread vertify buy posting with evry of the auctioned characters. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:44:00 - [4] How to ger ritch with character dealing. thear are 3 attemps on how you can make Isk with this. It is importend to have read the pipeline section to understand thins betetr. attemp 1 Training an alt toon on your main account. you either start a new one or (recomanded) buy one with good learnings for cheap and skill him strait to one pourpos. There is always a need for good beginer characters but also a spezialisation character such as a starebase deffens spezialist or a small ship spezialist are also asked for and do to the few that are on sail thay get a good price for their skills. No compatition pressing the price. attemp 2. this attemp is much like attemp one but you skill your character on an seperat account that you pay only evry second month. the subscribed month you skill small skills and the month you are inactiv you put in a loong one. This method is good for capital pilots or battleship pilots, smallship spezialists/research/starbasse defens etc etc are based on skills with a 2-4 times modifyer not on 5-10 that you wud want for attemp2. attemp 3 you see a good offer , a cheap one but his learnings suck , or he is ok but has some crostrained stuff uncompleated. one two skills are not maxed that need to be maxed for him to be able to do sumthing ........ you buy him, train them and sell him on a loong runn for a rather "high" price, eventualy someone will make an offer that makes it worth your time and 20Ç transfer fee. I made a lot of spelling mistakes and would appreciate it is someone could spell correct it i'm not from an English country. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Achaikos	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:47:00 - [5] Edited by: Achaikos on 26/08/2008 20:47:34 Download a spell checker mate, activate it and it will underline all the mistakes, right click and it will give you an option to pick from, will take you 10mins :) Apart from that, great in-depth post.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.26 20:56:00 - [6] i am doing that right now , but a spell checker wont fix all, pleas have 10 min patient i'm fixing it .... just wanted it all posted before somebody replied ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Ayame Kei	Posted - 2008.08.27 01:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Shosoru Edited by: Shosoru on 26/08/2008 22:01:41 It might be a good idea if people post their p.c. requests and p.c. questions in hear before making an own post. Alright, I'll give ya a bump and a specialized character to appraise at the same time. She was trained from day 1 as a mission running alt in a Nighthawk, has just under 20 mil SP with Command 5, Heavy Missile Spec 5, +4 set of implants (+5 perc implant - 31 perc/25 will), 2 jump-clones (both in hi-sec), and L4 agents with 2 different corps. Positive sec status, wallet, no kill rights, etc..
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 02:09:00 - [8] Id put her on 4.2 start and a 5.5b b/o or offer. you can expect 4.4-4.9bill for her , really a nice character tbh She is seldom being so strait foreword but there are characters with ~30m sp that have those skills too and some "usual stuff" and those go for for not much more then 6-6.5. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Angela Zahn	Posted - 2008.08.27 03:05:00 - [9] Hm, interesting read. Thanks for putting time into this post and helping us in our character sales. However I must admit I am unsure how much I should ask for this character. Your professional opinion is welcome.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 03:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 04:01:18 Thats a tuff one. It rely depends if someone is searching for exactly that but i assume you will get 4-4.3b, that is do to it being a good miner and howler but if someone need a howler he can get one for ~2.5b or an miner for ~2b the 2m research are a nice plus but the potential buyer might not want that.and you have about 0.5m sp that are useless. So either you find 2 buyers that are looking for exactly that and outbid each other or you'l get 0.19-0.2 b/m for it. Nice character though, nice and strait^^ i wish you luck and id put the reserve up to 4b. You can put the B/O up high say 5b and take offers. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Tlahc Raeser	Posted - 2008.08.27 04:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Tlahc Raeser on 27/08/2008 04:19:46 Very helpfull and best I've seen in helping people calculate pricing on characters. I do have a character that is somewhat specilized and have been having a hard time deciding if I want to keep playing her and if I sell what she would be worth. Can you help please with the pricing on her. Catalina Wings Thanks in advance
Angela Zahn	Posted - 2008.08.27 04:22:00 - [12] Heh... you should be a paid professional appraiser.
DERT2	Posted - 2008.08.27 06:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Tlahc Raeser Edited by: Tlahc Raeser on 27/08/2008 04:19:46 Very helpfull and best I've seen in helping people calculate pricing on characters. I do have a character that is somewhat specilized and have been having a hard time deciding if I want to keep playing her and if I sell what she would be worth. Can you help please with the pricing on her. Catalina Wings Thanks in advance at least your character's price is 4 billion.
Slave 49284	Posted - 2008.08.27 06:22:00 - [14] Edited by: Slave 49284 on 27/08/2008 06:24:20 Nitalya can i get a PC on her please... she has decent amarr standings and a set of low grade slave implants.
Tarinna Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:10:00 - [15] Free Bump from me mate! Great Guide for the beginners!!!!!
DeJaView	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:45:00 - [16] You're pricing scheme doesn't add up for me - can you give an example of an actual character? I don't want to say anything negative about your system until I fully understand it.
Kar Sagitarum	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Kar Sagitarum on 27/08/2008 11:43:26 Hi, Thanks so much for this post. I wonder if you would be so kind to give me an idea on what to ask for this character It seems there's no interest for him. Thanks
Judith Beasley	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:11:00 - [18] i have a couple of characters for sale. Character 1 Character 2 i priced them based on an analysis of recent sales. same way real estate appraisers do i think. sale prices seem to range between 1 billion isk for every 5 million skill points and 1 billion for every 4 million skill points. so: i set the starting price (no reserve!) at the lower valuation and set the buyout slightly above the higher valuation.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 15:58:16 Catalina Wings 5.6 \| startid 5b \| b/o 6.5b or offer Nitalya 9.3 \| bo >11b Kar Sagitarum 3.2 \| b/o 4 -much charisma Modok Strongsauce your auction is exactly rite, you have about 30m sp useful and an other 1.5 are ok so you'l get about 7.5 if you'd have a reserve id put it to 7(6.5 if you need the money) but you don't so don't worry about it to much , 6bill start bid is ok but a bit low- well someone will bid DaHarMasterKor 4.5 \| bo 5.5 (if you get a 5b bo offer take it) btw pleas give me a feedback if my predictions are precise or not. Its a tuff market and its better not to sell something too cheap. DeJaView: ill do one character for you shortly, i just got home so im a bit ..... there are so many characters out there with different skills etc it is not easy to gouge how much one is worth, sometimes you just need to fined someone with billions off isk that is looking for your character and your toon that is worth ~5b gets sold for ~7b other times no one wants your toon and you'l have to go down or just not sell.... for good estimate you also need to follow the markets , look at wot stuff is been sold for even of those jobs that are not of your interest. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Buzz Dura Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:57:00 - [20] Really good guide! Definitely worth reading! Using your guide's method, what do you estimate this guy might be worth? Buzz Dura Would be very obliged!
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:18:00 - [21] i actually don't use my guides method, with time you'l get eye for it. my guides method is for those ho don't know the market that well and want to get an good idea of wot to expect no mater how precise you calculate your character with my guide wot you will get in the end can not be predicted 100% clearly. your character is a good main character and useful for any bigger corporation (fleet) or mission runner id say you get over 7bill so i would make an start bid of 6.5-7 to show that you are resolute and a b/o of not to much more. About 8 bill. If you have the time don't bargain to much with b/o offers , you want to get close to your b/o and im sure you will get 7.5++bill b/o if you take a the time and make a good auction post-trustworthy and friendly. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Mike C Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:25:00 - [22] Age can also be a factor. A decently trained 2003 character who has played since closed beta and his noob corp is a private corp may go for much higher than a 2006 character with the same skills, avatar, etc. ________________________________________
R2RBuster Chin Dynastie Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:28:00 - [23] good guide mate can i have a pc on my char plz http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=ODAyNTg0NzQ1
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:29:00 - [24] Great post, will read through it again and try to value my chars. but if any ppl here wanna save my brain some trouble.. http://www.newforms.nl/eve/skills/Morkt_Drakt nearly 80 mil SP http://www.newforms.nl/eve/skills/Tehel_Necrona nearly 70 mil SP Tehel might be harder to value, due to the sheer ammount of ships and weapons he can use, so any help would be sweet.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:19:00 - [25] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 19:22:33 R2RBuster 8.5 start bid 7.8-8 \| b/o 9 Morkt Drakt Oo that thing douse not apply to my guide ^^ its beyond - it appears characters with over 60m sp are soled without clear schema. I can only give you advise on how to sell those two but cant tell you what you will get. Morkt Drakt is awesome and perfect in all his jos. characters of 60b go from 14-20b those of 70 from 16-24 and those of 80 from 18-26 you cant judge them the usual way cos they are almighty in everything. Id make a start bid of 15b for him and a hidden reserve, just see what you get. Same gos for Tehel Necrona just i would make the start bid to 14b. of topic Edit AHHHH i got suicide pod killed in 0.5 while on autopilot ^^ lol goda love eve ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Dray Caldari The Priory	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:57:00 - [26] A very good guide for buying characters which tbh in a fluid market is hard to do, I'll add a few personal thoughts of my experience in the character market. 1. At the minute good command ship characters plus the leadership skills are in short supply so they bring a premium, also very good industrial pilots are in demand with regards to being able to pilot, effectively, rorquals, my last rorqual pilot netted me a 6B profit in @ 4 months. 2. Also looking at high skilled pilots needs good advice, high SP does not mean high value, specialization is very important, lately there have been a few 60m+ characters around that lack focus and this reduces their price considerably. 3. Starter characters also can bring a good return on short term time investment, for me a good starter character means maxed learning skills with +5 implants, which tbh are rare but can pull in a lot of interest. 4. Mission running characters also can do well as even the most ardent pvpers need a reliable source of isk, and a lot of these guys have a mission runner in the back pocket for just that, or are looking for one. The obvious things to keep in mind are capital ship skills and the relevant navigation skills to go with them, specialization in a race plus the support skills that compliment that race, and my last piece of advice is to be patient, if you have a good character that isnt getting the interest you'd expect, keep training and try again later, character trading is all about the long haul and the high reward, if your looking to make a quick buck your probably in the wrong place.
Xeriuz Caldari The Puppet Masters.	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:42:00 - [27] very good and very much needed topic, great work. this i think deservs a sticky X ______________________________________________ X You Never Know What You Have Until You Lose It
Penthesilee	Posted - 2008.08.27 22:53:00 - [28] I would be grateful if you could give me your insight about this character. Penthesilee I intend to sell her, probably in 2 month with Advanced Spaceship command 5 and Tactical shield manipulation 5. At that point it will be a nice toon for a Dreadnought.
Shosoru Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 23:20:00 - [29] Edited by: Shosoru on 27/08/2008 23:20:51 Dray I VERY appreciate your opinion of the market it is all true. I am very glade for every opinion , everything helps the community. I still think there are too many that fear making this market clearly visible can ruin there business.shake head Penthesilee Really good attributes. Nothing too exclusive thb but i think her skill points cover all the basic pvp/pve areas and good HAC. I like that she has some drone skills, useful for every class but to often forgotten by Caldary. Start bid 6 reserve 6.7(hidden) bo 7.5 don't accept b/o offers. I assume you'll get 7 for her but if your not in a hurry put the b/o to 8 and the reserve to 7 and you might get more. Id say she is a typical Caldary main pilot, not too interesting as missionhower for an advanced pvp player for she has no phoenix skills which are sometimes wanted for pos ware. But for a miner seeking for salvation or someone searching a main she is useful. ------------------------------ WTB: Minmatar X-Type Duck-Tape
Mioelnir Minmatar Meltd0wn Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.08.28 01:03:00 - [30] I don't really intend to sell myself, but I'd really be interested how you'd adjust the value on my skills considering a few percs about me that you haven't delved into too far: - very biased attributes (perc 28, will 28, int 19, mem 18, cha 18) a mighty two-edged sword. I wanted it that way, but I guess for a sale, it wouldn't be beneficial? Calling it specialised and waiting for someone equally mad to buy it? - erm, standings. Without Skills: +9 Thukker, +7 Angels, +5 Serpentis, -2 Caldari, -3 Khanid, -5 Amarr, -6 Sisters, -7 Gallente, -7 Ammatar, -8 Minmatar Yeah.... pirate faction standings... good. while maybe not having suitable 0.0 access... bad. trashing the standings with ratting... bad. faction navy on your tails... bad. Overall... ???? Skills How would you adjust the char's worth?

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